>Japanese game features Nobunaga
>in real life a great unifier who wanted Japan to modernize, unify as one nation and have a merit based society
>is portrayed as a tyrannical conqueror literally in league with fucking devils, a sorcerer of black magic, evil as fuck, a ghost, a demonic ghost etc
What's Japan's problem?
>a great unifier
lol
Good thing he got backstabbed
Same thing with Hitler.
A lot of people are still butthurt about Nobunaga.
>be such a shitty ruler that your most trusted man betrays you before you barely conquered a third of Yamato
>literally kill yourself when you find out
Wow, what a great unifier.
Considering that the people responsible for his assassination eventually went on to win the civil war and unify Japan, you can chalk it up to 350 years of propaganda.
>the people responsible for his assassination eventually went on to win the civil war
"Akechi Mitsuhide's [guy who betrayed Nobunaga] reign as shōgun lasted only 13 days, hence the reference "thirteen-day shogun", as he was killed fleeing the battle of Yamazaki by the bandit leader Nakamura Chōbei."
But Akechi got butt fucked later though, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>in real life a great unifier who wanted Japan to modernize, unify as one nation and have a merit based society
Same reason Cao Cao is, he made waves and had no breaks on the rape train. He was also a huge westaboo, and the first thing Ieyasu would do when he took power was kick the westerners out because they were a threat to national stability.
These days the depictions are less uniformly evil, and many of the more negative portrayals are more tongue in cheek references to the cliche of them being villainous. Take Ni-Oh, where he's hyped up as this penultimate baddy, but when he gets resurrected he's like "eh, the fuck you faggots doing? I was having a pretty good time being dead, why you all lazy?" and literally just fucks off
one of nobunaga's sons left japan and stumbled on South America, and settled there and made peace with the natives, the natives treated him like a god-sent being cause he bore armor with a helm similar to a jaguar of the Americas. but you didn't hear that from me.
He went to war with the Ikko monks which a lot of the Daimyo didn't do. He also burnt down one of their temples on a hilltop killing thousands of innocents. This was seen as pretty bad, alongside being the first to use firearms to massacre the once strong Takeda cavalry force.
He was brutal as fuck.
That fucking scene
>Hahaha, i the evil man have resurrected you now, Oda Nobunaga. serve me
>nah fuck off cunt
Weren't the Ikko monks some shady illuminati bunch who were armed to the teeth and planning to destroy the shogunate? They totally had it coming.
Nobunaga is a total chad in fiction.
They were highly militarized which is why Nobunaga didn't fuck around and killed a ton of them. I think this is a big reason why he was vilified, especially the burning of their temples. It tactically made sense but was pretty harsh.
Sort of. They were basially Yellow Turban Rebels - Jap edition. But when Nobunaga had them cornered, they tried to surrender. He said "nah tho" and slaughtered literally everyone to send a message about fucking with him.
Oda didn't like half measures. What an absolute lad
That's wrong, Ieyasu kept contact with the outside. His successors were the isolationist ones.
Nice job ignoring the fact that he was ruthless as fuck. And he jokingly called himself "Demon King of the Sixth Heaven", which is why he's shown as a demon.
>implying Nobunaga wasn't crazy as shit
There's a reason his own troops called him "demon spawn"
>REALM DIVIDE
Japan was brainwashed by the shogunate to resist change and painted Oda as having sold his soul to demons (aka westerners)
Oh no, more samurai for my ashigaru to deal with. The horror.
>Ieyasu kept contact with the outside
Yeah, contact. Didn't let them niggers land though. Hard to blame him after the fucking Christians literally tried to overthrow the govt.
Nobunaga didn't fuck around, was extremely into meritocracy, and was possibly insane or at least emotionally unstable. By Jap standards anyway. He was called the Fool of Owari originally because he was seen as overly emotional, he threw himself on his brothers body and publicly wept like a baby during his funeral wake, for example. It was assumed he was mentally deficient/retarded. Turns out he wasn't, just bi-polar
Hideyoshi also betrayed him and then went on to unify Japan, you fucking mongoloids.
The real question is why did his most loyal man turn on him? Though he may have been a strong military leader he always had his men at odds.
>not thinking Hashiba set up Akechi for the fall.
Oda is his clan's name. Nobunaga is the given name.
Koei goes both ways, sometimes they portray him as a cartoony villain, sometimes they go the opposite extreme and make him a completely unrecognisable good guy (Kessen 3), most of the time it's somewhere in between.
Nobunaga and Cao Cao aren't all that similar, it's something Koei forces for some reason.
>and the first thing Ieyasu would do when he took power was kick the westerners out because they were a threat to national stability.
He didn't do this, his son & grandson did this after Ieyasu had passed away. I get that Nioh was mostly made up stuff but I would've thought more people would've since looked up William Adams interactions with Ieyasu since then or something.
This is true. Hideyoshi stole the Oda clan from Oda's two sons. This is the reason that Shibata came into conflict with him over the succession.
He's romanticized as fuck, what are you talking about?
>Kelley gets stuck up like the bitch he is
Nobunaga is such a chad
>Hideyoshi also betrayed him
But that's wrong? Maybe Hideyoshi had planned to go solo too, but if he did that's lost to history. Mitsuhide struck first, and Hideyoshi wheeled his ass around and murdered the fuck out of Mitsuhide. I think some have theorized that Hideyoshi responded too quickly to not have been in on it or planning the same, but that seems unlikely given his entire rank and commandery was due to Nobunaga alone as the nigger was literally a sandal boy before he promoted him. Generally, Hideyoshi's reaction to Nobunaga's death is depicted as one of extreme grief
They just wanted him to be a girl
I wanna play whatever Nobunaga's Ambition game you're smoking.
>Hideyoshi stole the Oda clan from Oda's two son
Nobunaga was already dead by this point, he was loyal to Nobunaga, not his kids. Why should this be surprising when Hideyoshi himself was a nobody promoted by merit, rather than family?
Without Nobunaga, the Oda were a mute point.
After avenging Hideyoshi nominated Nobunaga's youngest son, or grandson I forget which, to be the clan head. This effectively allowed him to usurp power and make all decisions. He didn't support Oda's heirs, he set himself up for hegemony.
He often treated his men like shit. Nobunaga's treatment of Akechi Mitsuhide in particular was noted in several sources including Luis Frois' whose writings are somewhat considered to be biased in favor of Nobunaga even.
How accurate is my image of Japan's history if the only things I know are from Sengoku Basara and Sengoku Rance?
Onimusha really took it too far, not to mention Toyotomi was portrayed as a leering giggling midget who wants to sacrifice a young boy just to augment the princess suffering and give Nobunaga more power.
Hideyoshi was entirely responsible for the exact perfect conditions that would make Nobunaga vulnerable and then capitalized extensively on his death. Do you really believe Tokugawa accounts of history?
The Takeda followed Katsuyori, Shingen's son, to their deaths even though many argued against the battle at Nagashino. Hideyoshi had no honor and usurped the Oda clan. It was the right move for him, but still pretty dirty.
Rance is probably the least biased.
It's close enough bro fuck where the hell is Basara 5?
Pretty much 100 percent. Motorized horses and using 6 swords at once was the norm back then.
>The Takeda followed Katsuyori, Shingen's son, to their deaths even though many argued against the battle at Nagashino
yes and that was fucking STUPID.
Absolutely everything Nobunaga stood for and had taught Hideyoshi was "hey, this shit is stupid, don't do this", whether intentionally or via example. And this is why Oda gets demonized, he shat all over the romanticization of clan loyalty and honor and treated politics like a zero sum game
Basara as a game is dead for now as the last two games didn't sell well and they make more money with other tie-ins regarding it.
>Generally, Hideyoshi's reaction to Nobunaga's death is depicted as one of extreme grief
If that were truly the case, why would the regime established by Hideyoshi and Tokugawa go to such an extent to villify Nobunaga? It was to legitimize their rule, which is something you do when you killed the last fucker. See what happened after every civil war in Rome.
>He often treated his men like shit
>Toyotomi Hideyoshi had been given the nickname Kozaru, meaning "little monkey", from his lord Oda Nobunaga because his facial features and skinny form resembled that of a monkey. He was also known as the "bald rat".
the absolute madman
I only know him from Drifters, the most boring manga ever made. There he seems like a cunning strategical genius. Also he looks like Alucard from Hellsing, not the goofy motherfucker in your picture, OP.
>he shat all over the romanticization of clan loyalty and honor and treated politics like a zero sum game
the massive romanticization of honor came a bit later on I think in the Edo period
Nobunaga had men who died with him when he was assassinated too, loyalty within the military is a common sentiment before and after the sengoku period my man
Stupid, but honorable. They died for their master as good loyal subjects should. The real tragedy was that Nobunaga surrounded himself with ambitious ruthless men just like himself. Hideyoshi should have supported the heir apparent, instead he set up an infant and destroyed all opposition within the clan.
They were all tyrants, but you're right that's what won them the day.
Because despite the fedoralord romanticization of him, he was a total dick.
Hideyoshi did Honnō-ji.
Nob-ungabunga was almost comically retarded and an asshole. Japan will take shots at him because he's genuinely funny to mock. He had little dog syndrome something fierce.
Didn't he sign his letters that way to be sarcastic?
For what it's worth after Hideyoshi's first son died (of illness or something) he appears to have just lost the plot completely and started doing all sorts of nonsensical shit. Up to a point he was pretty damn competent in most affairs.
I never really agreed with his push into Korea and China. Other than that his policies were good. I heard theories that he realized the warlords needed another war, and that was his reasoning behind the insane campaigns into Korea.
Torch fire can't melt temple walls.
Onimusha: Warlords was the first game I ever played that had Oda Nobunaga in it (when I was like 10 years old). When I found out the he was a real, historical figure, that practically all of his main demonic henchmen were named after Shakespeare characters, and that the main characters were actors in real life, I decided that the Japanese must, unequivocally, be the most fucking insane people alive.
>Other than that his policies were good.
He eventually repealed the same practices that let a total commoner like himself rise through the ranks under Nobunaga in the first place, I wasn't even talking about the foreign invasion stuff when I said that he lost the plot
Hideyoshi was competent except for his push into Korea, yeah, and user is probably right in that they were ways to keep his Warlords from doing him like had been done to Nobunaga.
Also he probably shouldn't have raped Tachibana's wife
PS2 era was peak Japan and it's all been downhill since then
ohh snap
Jean Reno in the third game blew my mind.
Imagine spending weeks working on a diplomacy system for the game, then coding an AI that uses it to interact with the player(s) in a reasonably believable way only for the project lead to come around and say it's going to be rendered complete useless for the last third of every campaign out there.
kek
The Shimazu clan were the actual underrated chads of the era, they're not given their deserved credit in any media as far as I can tell though
they were literally the Nogs of japan
>pay for Jean Reno
>only use his voice for the first 5 minutes of the game
aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ACKHUALLY
any vassals made after realm divide are loyal to you
besides diplomacy is fucked. you can sell military access which is only beneficial for the player
>you get a huge cash boost in the early game
>the AI you sold MA to is less likely to attack you
>if they DO attack you they lose honor
>even people that hate you want military access
Nobunaga indirectly killed Mitsuhide mother.
They rape ass in EU4 because of their very powerful military. I guess that counts?
That's a smart move though. By doing that he was preventing others from rising to power and following his example. Also disarming the peasants and cracking down hard. He held stability while he was alive, it's just the invasion shit that I feel was pretty damn disastrous. That and being unable to conceive a child because infants just get ruled over in these feudal eras.
They got their comeuppance during the Himeji Restoration
I think that's since been proven false
>"pce faggots, btw anyone seen my snow wife?"
For some reason that part of Japan is usually glossed over when media about the Sengoku period takes place. It even took until the second game for both Musou and Basara to throw Kyushu characters into the plot.
Look at how wrong this man is, and laugh.
oh really? I guess Mitsuhide is a jealous cunt then.
>Nobunaga was killed by Mitsuhide Akechi
>Mistuhide Akechi was killed by some randos
There was supposed to be an Taiga Drama about them a few years ago but they wanted to do some filming in Korea and there were all sorts of issues with that so it didn't happen. Although modern taiga dramas are generally agreed to be shit so maybe that's a good thing.
Probably just did it for greed and power, the easiest and most likely theory.
The Tokugawa were fucking genius in bringing stability to japan. They basically made every daimyo pay a fuckload of money to keep a bunch of useless samurai in Edo who weren't allowed to do shit except bureacratic tasks and had to constantly parade.
Now none of the Daimyo had the means any more to defy the shogun, the samurai were kept busy so they wouldn't hustle the peasants and merchants too much and none of the peasants were armed any more so they couldn't do dick either.
>shows up just to make you fight him again, now featuring his wife or right-hand man
They did a good job of making him a hell of a dick. Though it was hilarious for the main villain to go through all that just for him to fuck off of his own accord after getting into a fight with you for the fun of it and because he was mad at being brought back..
Nice to see that even 80 year old grandpas like Legend of Zelda.
>Although Rikyū had been one of Hideyoshi's closest confidants, because of crucial differences of opinion and because he was too independent, Hideyoshi ordered him to commit ritual suicide.
>guy just wanted to make tea
What was wrong with these niggas
they were pretty cool here
Hideyoshi was pretty unstable in his later years. Pretty sure I remember reading that he later expressed regret in killing Rikyu.
Hideyoshi also killed babies and even his own son.
>your opinion is wrong, kys
>ok
It's still documented that Nobunaga openly and publicly humiliated Mitsuhide seemingly just for shits and giggles, for what it's worth.
It's all still sort of vague but there is a bit more known about Mitsuhide's aims than commonly believed. Like how his brother-in-law Chosokabe Motochika was in the know about his intention to rebel (which is why Koei includes him in that event I guess) and some historians theorize that Mitsuhide does what he does partly to stop Nobunaga's intended invasion of Motochika's lands of Shikoku.
Or it might just be
Tea is serious fucking business mate
Why is japan so obsessed with it's warring states period? Did nothing else happen in ~3k years?
it's the same shit as with Europe and the medieval period
Plenty of media about european antiquity and other periods.
Nothing as interesting or as full of memorable moments and characters.
It's like the Three Kingdoms period and the medieval period of Europe. Just a time period people over the centuries latched onto and romanticized thanks to literature and other things created about the eras.
Except with Europe you have several continents and 1000+ years of history. And there's plenty on what came before.
Sengoku was from 1467 to 1573. And that's it.
The following period was 200 years of peace until the US forced them to open the entire country up to the world.
And before the Warring States, none of the wars were as big.
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Meiji Period is more interesting in my opinion but media for that era is completely dominated by fujoshi for some reason
I know that there's a guy in Samurai Shodown 5 who's loosely based on a Shogun who ruled an era considered Japan's equivalent of America's roaring twenties too but I dunno anything else about it
Are you jesting? The only time Europe wasn't relevant was the Bronze age if you don't count that little corner called Greece.
There's tons of media about the Edo period and Himeji Restoration too. Look at all the media about the Shinsengumi alone
basically no
the edo period is the ONLY interesting period of jap history
that must have taken significant effort
There's a popular shounen manga running at the moment based on a way earlier period I think
These are basically the result of the Sengoku period.
>t. Tokugawa lapdog
It's the most dramatic, literally the three kingdoms of Japan.
wtf
Tons of people talking about the three kingdoms, but didn't more happen in China? Something with a lot of dead people?
>tfw Hideyoshi's invasion of Korea fucked every country involved
>bunch of daimyo move in favour of Tokugawa Ieyasu due to Hideyoshi's retarded Korea invasion
>Korea loses a lot of artisans and intellectuals due to Japanese killing and kidnappings, scrwwing the country for years to come
>Ming loses a lot of money in the war and are forced to cut back expenses and military presence in the area, allowing the Manchu's to rise
I thought he got killed by a butthurt vassal because he shit-talked their porcelainware.
>samurai hate him
>see how he conquered half of japan with one foreign weapon
Literally every war in China involves a lot of dead people, take any way from any other country and a zero or two to the end of the number of casualties and you'll get what a Chinese war looks like
Um, yeah. That was literally his ambition which everyone keeps talking about.
>wanted Japan to modernize, unify as one nation and have a merit based society
>is portrayed as a tyrannical conqueror
if japan does not want to change, he is.
oh, and have you ever heard about the massacre of mount hiei where he ordered the burning of about 40,000 men, women and children?
Lots of people died in three kingdoms though .
Glorious Japan invaded them a couple of times and pruned their numbers, but that's not something they would put into a historical game about China, they are pretty butthurt about it.
China love to casually kill 30m people.
Having a stroke, are we?
FUCK YI SUN-SHIN AND FUCK TURTLE BOATS
Still you have to admit for how fucked up the Koreans were getting from the invasion they did pretty damn good. Also the Ming kinda bungled around with their horribly inefficient military during the whole thing.
>Something with a lot of dead people?
Almost any war involving China. Dead Chinese people specifically.
Ever heard the term of "history is written by the winner"?
The way Chinese population keeps exploding into gorillions and then gets genocided by circumstance or stupidity over and over is what almost makes me believe that there's a dev department that only intervenes in Earth when something's on fire.
Millions dying in war is a normal thing for China.
>that one battle where 20,000-30,000 civilians were eaten
Japan is obsessed with the losers in history though
>eaten
By what?
Not onboard with those numbers, old timey sources always inflate numbers and unlike other areas the Chinese and no one else has any interest in making sure they're accurate
Japan has no other history moments that are even remotely interesting, and Medieval Japan isn't very interesting either.
Ming were already in the decline by this point anyway, I think the Ming military liked to throw their weight around the Koreans and just mess around with them.
I mean a lot of them are but the An Lushan Rebellion is probably the one you're thinking of
>Censuses taken in the half-century before the rebellion show a gradual increase in population, with the last census undertaken before the rebellion, in 755, recording a population of 52,919,309 in 8,914,709 taxpaying households. However, a census taken in 764, the year following the end of the rebellion, recorded only 16,900,000 in 2,900,000 households. Later censuses count only households, but by 855 this figure had risen to only 4,955,151 households, little over half the number recorded in 755.[17] Some scholars have interpreted the difference in the census figures as implying the deaths of 36 million people, about two-thirds of the population of the empire. This figure was used in Steven Pinker's book The Better Angels of Our Nature, where it is presented as proportionally the largest atrocity in history with the loss of a sixth of the world's population at that time,[18] though Pinker noted that the figure was controversial.[19] Johan Norberg, who in his book Progress: Ten Reasons to Look Forward to the Future is generally supportive of Pinker's arguments, gives the number of 13 million people (citing Matthew White's The Great Big Book of Horrible Things), which he notes is still highly significant, representing about 5% of the 8th century world's population.
Famine in China sure is a bitch.
Why does he look like boomer wojak?
the soldiers.
They were defending a city and there was a famine, so they ended up eating the civilians.
Chinese were batshit crazy back then
He was forced to commit seppuku by Mineshige. We don't know why.
*Mitsuhide
Japan ain't the only one doing it though.
MacBeth is a very famous example, because Shakespeare took a guy who was considered a good ruler and turned him into someone who made Stalin look like an anarchist. Why? Because the people who opposed him were related with the English crown.
>Yin Ziqi had besieged the city for a long time. The food in the city had run out. The dwellers traded their children to eat and cooked bodies of the dead. Fears were spread and worse situations were expected. At this time, Zhang Xun took his concubine out and killed her in front of his soldiers in order to feed them. He said, "You have been working hard at protecting this city for the country wholeheartedly. Your loyalty is uncompromised despite the long-lasting hunger. Since I can't cut out my own flesh to feed you, how can I keep this woman and just ignore the dangerous situation?" All the soldiers cried, and they did not want to eat. Zhang Xun ordered them to eat the flesh. Afterwards, they caught the women in the city. After the women were run out, they turned to old and young males. 20,000 to 30,000 people were eaten. People always remained loyal.
>After the city was besieged for a long time, at the beginning, the horses were eaten. After horses ran out, they turned to the women, the old, and the young. 30,000 people in total were eaten. People knew their death was close, and nobody rebelled. When the city fell, only 400 people were left.
Damn imagine being so loyal to your nation that you're fine with being eaten.
I just know about Nobunaga from this show and he seems like a cool guy
Also Chitori is my wife
So Karl Pilkington?
I want more games with him and Yasuke
He's the one who closed the country.
At least China can curb it's growth (willingly or not). India sure can't, even without women they still manage it.
Watch Drifters. It has a great interpretation of Nobunaga.
Speaking of China, who was that fucking psycho that took over Sichuan when the Qing were invading?
This series is cute
but the longer it goes on the more I wish it wasn't a short and that they'd tell the narrative quicker
also the longer it went on the fewer cute scenes between Chidori & Nobunaga there were due to all the different characters now present which was a shame
No he wasn't, his son and grandson did that. He was already dead when that happened.
I just noticed how closely Ieyasu sounds like Jesuit. He was supposedly the one who forced them out, too. (((What a coincidence.)))
>blocks your path
Zhang Xianzhong
Nowadays it's Japan who has to fear a Chinese pruning.
I wish more games employed extremely exaggerated historical figures.
Where is the Theodore Roosevelt game where you hunt cryptids? Or the persona-esc game where you go around romancing everyone featuring Benjamin Franklin? Not even an Andrew Jackson hack n' slash.
The Bakumatsu was pretty awesome
Also watch Drifters. It has a great interpretation of Toyohisa Shimazu.
You might know him as little Devil or big axe boy in Samurai Warriors
Ah right, I could never remember his name,
AssCreed sort of does that, though not in the way you're talking about
>"Let's have a fair fight! Just you, me, and my fucking electric doggo."
>It tactically made sense but was pretty harsh.
Why, cause they were "holy" men? Sick of this shit, someone tries to be your enemy you crush them to dust.
You know, he's right about that.
Hitler saw a white Aryan future without nasty fucking jews and other subhumans, and he also liked based Scandinavia.
He wanted to build a new world, utopia if you will.
But slaves of the jew didn't like that because jews payed them to stop Hitler in his quest to make Europe pure.
The Ikko (at least the Enryakuji branch) were allied with shogun Ashikaga Yoshiaki because he was pissed that Nobunaga was running the show and he was a puppet. So Nobunaga sent a message by slaughtering all the monks and setting their mountain on fire - which is close enough to Kyoto that the shogun could see it as a warning to suck it up.
>implying
user please there's multiple theory's about how or even "if" he had actually died
>Killed on the battlefield by a stray arrow by a discontent vassel
>Burned alive inside his own castle
>"disappeared from history to become a christian"
Japs do this all the time with great success but when Americans attempt it the result is always cringe like Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter or that le ebic xD badass FDR movie
If there's an afterlife, and they can see us, what must they think about anime and shit like Fate?
Records show he burnt over 40,000 innocents along with the monks. That's gonna brand you as a bad guy no matter how necessary it was.
You can play the gatcha Fate game for a bit of that. But its a mobage.
>Where is the Theodore Roosevelt game where you hunt cryptids?
I never knew I wanted this so bad until now.
>Andrew Jackson hack n' slash.
Jackson was a true absolute mad lad
man. fuck Ieyasu.
And fuck Nobuyuki
>using prc pinyin for old China
Hideyoshi nominated Hidenobu, who was the son of Nobunaga's eldest and so technically the rightful heir to the clan. His other two sons: Nobukatsu and Nobutaka were already fighting over who should succeed because, while Nobutaka was born earlier, news of Nobukatsu's birth reached Nobunaga fist, and so he was proclaimed the second son. It didn't help that the two biggest Oda vassals: Shibata Katsuie and Tokugawa Ieyasu each supported one of these sons. The Oda were fucked as soon as Nobunaga and his eldest son were killed, regardless of Hideyoshi's involvement.
Unification was a mistake. Also Oda massacred ninjas.
Chang Hsien-chung
There, you happy now?
Fucking Onimusha
What's that? I can't hear you over my fucking winning!
this
Serves him right. Fuck Hitler and his followers.
>even "if" he had actually died
What if he's still out there somewhere, hiding among the population just waiting for his next opportunity to make Japan great again?
>Also Oda massacred ninjas.
Oh, I thought ninja died of ligma?
I find it great that after this since people thought it was the devil he just rolled with it and openly used the title to fuck with people.
The gempei and nambokucho periods are somewhat interesting. Basically sengoku but less intense and with pointier hats. Other than that, the boshin war and transition through the Meiji period is also really interesting. But other than that, everyone just sat around gambling and fucking up the economy.
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Ninjas were based.
The Oda are still alive today. One of them is a profesional figure skater.
>Also Oda massacred ninjas.
Your point?
>singlehandedly defended all of Christendom from raping ravaging muslim hordes
>fended off a hugely superior force with guerilla tactics and demoralization
>only dies because he was betrayed by his own brother
>is a hero to this day in his homeland
>however for the rest of time will be associated with pure fucking evil, villainy and the supernatural because some Irish mick wrote a book about him being a vampire
Now that's more like it, n-word.
Assassin's Creed had it's moments at least before it went full Ubisoft. The final boss fight with the pope in 2 over an alien artefact was probably where it shine.
It's their version of our Wild West. An era romanticized and considered one of the most pure periods of time.
Ieyasu's descendants are still around; they run a fairly ritzy coffee joint in central Tokyo.
is he hanging out with Mozart?
>no games where Ben Franklin meets Thor and gains storm powers
him being a vampire just makes him cooler though, everyone agrees and likes him
They throw shurikens.
For sure. But once Nobunaga and Nobutada were assassinated, there was no way the clan could continue on with the power it had. Speaking of modern day samurai though: the Date clan are still around as an aristocratic family up in Sendai, currently run by Date Yasumune, which is pretty neat.
>Oda Clan's Historical Pro Skater never ever
anybody who could kill so many ninjas must be pretty dangerous
All those clans were real user.
See Der ewige Mick.
>mfw I see my latest descendant take up such a sport
>mfw He bawls his eyes out on a minor injury
>mfw My life was wasted
>Killed ninjas
Because none of them were cute as Chidori
The hero Europe needs but doesn't deserve right now
This, only cute ninjas can survive massacre.
Black Mozart Tupac
Oda looks like Kogoro Mouri there
My Japanese professor told me that her family originally descended from the Asakura clan and they changed their names some while back to keep from getting futher persecuted. To this day at family gatherings everyone just complains about how Nobunaga fucked them over all those years ago.
That's a shame. The Asakura have a pretty embarrassing history, so I can understand.
Nah, Vlad's overrated and it's only because of the vampire meme that you know of him at all. You actually only like him at all because of the first point you mentioned and there were others better than him at doing that at the time. Dude was just Stephen the Great's puppet.
Also his brother was the personal child rape slave of pic related, Drac's original nemesis and king of the Muslims.
>Japs do this all the time with great success
Like?
>Historical figures
>Americans
lol
Anyway Gilgamesh makes the occasional apperance but his portrayal is always so far removed from who he really was. I mean, he doesn't fight a single lobster-person.
all those constant Musou games, Sengoku Basara etc. Kessen 3 itself was an apeshit depiction of Nobunaga's life where he was like a shonen protagonist.
Hideyoshi went full retarded in his later years, but he was great up until 1591. He should have just stopped after Odawara and unifying Japan and Ieyasu would never have had the opportunity to overthrow his son.
Don't forget Taiping.
omg this show sequel though
Utterly disgusted. They'll be waiting patiently in Heaven to beat the crap out anyone involved in the creation of Fate.
>Oda in Drifters
>Obsessed with guns
I like it
>all those constant Musou games, Sengoku Basara etc
So, trash? I thought that guy meant good stuff, not garbage.
Is Guan Yu using a condom on his beard?
He's not the devil or viewed as one.
Basically his rival had the name "heavenly lord" or some shit, so he chose the opposite. That's pretty much it. Sarcasm and banter. He was also a homo.
You can google if you want to know more, there are detailed documents about this. There's also a good 8 minutes video about him on YouTube.
>The Tokugawa were fucking genius in bringing stability to japan
You're insane. They completely destroyed the economy by having a rigid class structure, but absolutely no conflicts for the ruling samurai to get involved in. So they all just sat around all day racking up huge debts and fucking everyone else over. It's like they all became NEETs because being a career samurai with no wars to fight was pointless.
This whole time I thought his name was “Nobunga”! I’ve been making an idiot of myself.
One copy of Nobunga’s Ambition please! Yeeesh.
he was also a royt dishonorable cunt
>his rival
Shingen? or who?
Wade-Giles is fucking disgusting. I'm reminded of worst China every time I see that shit
Ever heard of Tongyong, genius?
Basically, one of those monk sects that he pissed off wrote him an angry letter to the effect that they were going to bring the wrath of god(s) down on him and he just replied with "bitch, I'm fucking satan, I don't give a shit" and the whole country memed it until it became real.
>kanobunga!
Why don't Americans have any sort of relevant media for their """history"""? The only I can even remotely think of is AssCreed 3 and that sucked dick.
Where are the movies? TV shows? Games?
Kenshin Uesugi?
I wonder what would've happened if the Iranian Empire(s), Greek states, Roman Empire or Babylonia invaded Japan in 100 B.C
Actually could Japan from 1400 A.C beat any of the big boys from 100 B.C?
Why did one of Oda's guys blow themselves up with a teapot?
But he's Shingens rival
Japan beat Mongols with taifun magic.
>If I can't have this teapot, no one can
You sure showed them, Hisahide
Who the fuck did Babylon ever beat? They were the fucktoy of every other minor power in the region.
Shoulda killed the fucking monkey, then.
The logistics would be hell for the attackers who's stuck in the past, all Japan has to do is to sit out the attack and shoot at the ships they're coming in from
there's plenty, but you haven't made any effort to find them nor do you actually care, you just want your ebin "Americans BTFO" moment like any other obsessed foreigner.
Japan's population was fucking massive so most likely yes
He ordered a man's head cut off slowly with a bamboo reed because he recognized him as being a soldier in an enemy army.
Considering Cathay (Northern China/Mongolia/Manchuria: descendents are the Altaic people of Korea and Japan) is derived from "Hittite/Hatti", it's possible some of that shit already went down.
This. The mongols were much more advanced, but still couldn't land on Japan when they tried to invade. Of course, the typhoons helped.
Earth got the bad ending.
Chidori
Damn, sounds the Tokugawas really cucked that island.
This has to be embellished. How the hell do you just eat 20,000 people?
he doesn't know about the Babylonian or Neo-Babylonian empires
Himmler was literally insane.
Goering was an overweight morphine addict.
Hitler has numerous health problems.
Wow, is this the power of the Aryan race?
>obsessed foreigner
I'm American, cuck. Don't bitch just cuz it doesn't fit your shit narrative retard.
They were ethnically Assyrian, though
chinks were always insects that just followed the hive
>calls me cuck while he tries to fit in with foreigners by talking shit about his own country
this doesn't make you look any better
Teapots were kinda like anime figurines in Japan back then, Hisahide happened to have an extremely valuable and sought-after one.
Hitler was working for both Jews (Rothchilds) and papists. Don't think him to be a good example except of deception.
I suppose they just got em-bellied.
What really tops it off that to legitimize himself coming to power he got a confucian scholar to bend the rules and say "You know, coming to power through violence isn't good, but you Ieyasu are a pretty chill person so you get a free pass. No one else is as cool as you are and you should be in charge forever"
Tongyong is not as orthographically aesthetic.
Tokugawa Ieyasu was a cunt. He really had no business trying to destabilize the Toyotomi authority that, sans the Korean invasion, was doing pretty well at running a unified Japan. And, as soon as he took power, he put in place all these measures because he was paranoid about losing it. He quickly abdicated in favor of his son, making the Tokugawa family hereditary shoguns, rather than just Ieyasu himself. Then he went on a big campaign making the remaining Toyotomi out to be some big threat that the whole country needed to stop - despite only owning a single castle at this point. And, of course, he put measures in place to limit the authority of the individual daimyo and foreign powers, which was followed up on by Hidetada.
I like this analogy. Hidehide didn't want anyone else to have his spider waifu.
They ran out of supplies holding a city, and the guy in charge just went "lol let's just fukken eat each other lmao"
He did of course ask for supplies from the surrounding lords, but they turned him down one way or the other. In the end, the one who lost the most was the ones besieging the city because it really hurts morale to fail to capture a city that's out of supplies and literally fucking cannibalising itself for longer than it did.
Why is Yea Forums suddenly full of Japanese history experts? And I don't mean this ironically. This is stuff you don't learn casually from games.
>don't complain about it if you're part of it!
Literally fucking brainlet tier logic
It's better than c, q, and x not being rational at all, and it's closer to actual Latin phonemes like Wade-Giles closely represents. Nice compromise. I'd prefer "bopomofo" being the standard, but that will never happen.
most of Yea Forums is /pol/
Gilgamesh is not a historical figure.
>suddenly
Personally, it started with Shogun 2, followed by lots of reading articles and books, and watching lots of movies and shows. I was a bit obsessed with it for a while, particularly Nobunaga's shit. I actually went to Japan last winter and went out to all the little historical sites that tourists never go to and it was amazing. Pic related is Sekigahara, where Ieyasu fought Mitsunari in 1600.
Take part in any fucking cowboy media ever and you'll see it.
>It's the one part of Japanese history that gets constantly adapted into media
People are bound to take an intrest in this stuff and look up more. I started back when Samurai Warriors 2 and haven't looked back.
You do from Koei games :^)
>This is stuff you don't learn casually from games.
There's a surprising amount of games that have really in depth info about Japanese history, especially Sengoku era stuff
holy shit you can even see the REALM DIVIDE lines in the snow
He's unironically the same guy as Sargon and Nimrod/Marduk/Merodach. Different people he ruled called him different things, and at different times and contexts. Other names/titles of his are Gesh-Dar and An. Same thing with his son Dumuzi (Tammuz), also known as "Asshur".
>reddit told me Yea Forums was just for shitposting!
Go back
Really? How's that possible? The largest Iranian Empire had almost half of the world's population within its borders and that was over 2400 years ago
>By share of population, the largest empire was the Achaemenid Empire, which accounted for approximately 49.4 million of the world’s 112.4 million people in around 480 BC – an astonishing 44%
Is Takeda 3 any good?
I want to play a realistic sengoku-era wargame and it looks to be the closest fit
Any suggestions otherwise?
They even have flags and barricades set up where each commander's camp was. It's pretty surreal.
I know that feel, bro
True, he was fucking terrible, but at least he kicked out the NWO Dominicans & Jesuits. That saved Japan from more than they experienced under the Shoguns.
When did Confucianism being irrelevant in Japan? I never understood its place in comparison to Buddhism, there. I know Shintoism was cucked hard by the Ashikaga period, though.
Most of the time Koei's musou games have encyclopedias with the real history about the time period and characters in the games. The encyclopedias are usually gigantic too as even the lowliest generic general or minor skirmish will have an entry.
Unfortunately they've started to embellish entries for playable characters instead of using real history starting around DW7 so you'll want to look up real sources of historic info anyway.
Both James I and he are for sure unjustly accused.
Japan is probably the only country in the world that rivals Murrica in revising and denying their history.
*become irrelevant
>American education
Cromwell's Ambition, when?
Eh, it's more of a convenience in ease of reading the romanizations for L2 speakers and learners I would say. There's no reason that the letters should correspond to their Latin counterparts 100% anyways since the phonemes are not the same.
You can romanize 青 with a q or ch, but either way you can't really write a Chinese /tɕʰ/ using Latin characters
It's really just become a cultural thing that is just inherently there in society. A lot like Buddhism. It's mainly seen nowadays in education an family dynamics. It just isn't overt.
>Always side with the Oda in games
>or Takeda because fuck you here's a lot of cavalry
>playing Way of the Samurai 3
>can serve Oda clan
>but only in an ending, no actual gameplay
FUCK
Be honest, you cracked a smile when the credits of Nioh rolled it and was Shibusawa voicing Nobunaga, right? Made up for the initial disappointment that they didn't get Akio Otsuka for it.
The Boshin War was pretty neat
Not the same, but pinyin is intended for foreigners, anyway. Best to match up the sounds to Latin than any other language, considering the letters it's using. Also, fuck you for thinking literally retarded "hanyu" pinyin is good aethestics just because it's appeared in a few games over the last decade or two.
Why is Yea Forums so full of EOPs that never lived here in Japan yet act like experts on it?
>implying Nobunaga dindunuffinwrong
He is described as Japan's "genghis khan" in every Japanese text book. He also sought to usurp the authority of the Emperor, which is a big no-no.
>siding with the Takeda
better keep Shingen alive, never let his son rule
This but unironically. Imagine the Stuarts never having left or even Richard C's revenge
I didn't like the voice at all in the game. But the guy is clearly a die hard Nobunaga fan like me, so I completely understand why he'd want to voice him.
Nobunaga literally could not give less of a fuck about the Emperor. I believe he said as much to his face at one point. Same as when the shogun offered him the position of vice shogun. Nobunaga really didn't care about titles. He just wanted to get shit done.
>He also sought to usurp the authority of the Emperor
What authority
This is Nobunaga's girlfriend (male). Say something nice about her (him)
>it’s another thread where retards who’s only knowledge of Japanese history comes from dynasty warriors argue with each other about Japanese history
This is almost as bad as the Catherine threads where N5 djt retards argue about the meaning of 「おとこのこだったのか。。。」
this is your nobu for tonight
youtube.com
say something nice about her!
Was Ireland his Mount Hiei?
I assume there was a rationing system. Old and useless people first, then work your way down to the essentials. Then eat some of those too.
Excuse me, I'll have you know that my knowledge of Japanese history is also supplemented by Onimusha, Genji and James Clavell's Shogun.
>which is a big no-no.
What are you 5?
A lot of the thread shows more insight than you'd expect to be honest.
"Bakumatsu" and Heian periods are good story-based material. Also, "Wa" and Nara periods should become more popular
It really sucks how one of the best guys on the defending side managed to break through the siege to ride for days nonstop to get reinforcements he just barely managed to get by the time he got back to the besieged city he lost most of those reinforcements getting back through enemy lines into the city, thus accomplishing nothing.
ÝOU'RE TOO LATE, JUBEI!
Agreed. Japan has surpassed us way too far in this area.
The fuck was his problem?
I wish there was a "historical" mode for Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors/etc. that made people wear proper clothing and shit. I can't stand the anime as fuck clothing all the characters wear in these games.
>history books don't exists
>I'm just gonna be a sour fuck and contribute nothing but snide dismissiveness
>Most games glorified Chinese Three Kingdoms and Japanese Warring Periods
>No game about Genghis Kahn conquest making 1/3 of the world his bitch
You weren't living your life correctly.
>in real life a great unifier who wanted Japan to modernize, unify as one nation and have a merit based society
"Unifier" is historical slang for "as bad as or worse than Hitler", brainlet.
uhm sweetie i also watched the last samurai
Fuck off, no one says this when it's a thread about European history retard
The gameplay itself is anime as fuck though, so I don't think it would fix much. Nobunaga's Ambition and Romance of the Three Kingdoms are probably the best historical games for those periods - but they're obviously a completely different genre.
I don't really know much about the Sengoku clans outside of Samurai Warriors, and that M&B Warband mod. Dabbled with Nobunaga's Ambition but dropped it entirely for Rot3K games
cute
someone went peepee in his coke
>kill the best warriors for shits and giggles
>spend your remaining days writting a book to shit all over your rivals
>commit suicide after writting your magnus opus because there isnt anybody that can give you a challenge
Why was he so based?
Then they couldn't constantly release a new one with minimal effort.
What, Catherine is an 男の娘?
He called himself a demon
Nobody will serve a man who sold his soul to the demons!
Why are the chinese so fucking gross compared to the nips? Are there places in Japan where people cook food with sewer oil? Does Japan have constant industrial accidents and have their sidewalks collapsing and swallowing people and shit? Why are the Chinese such shitty people? They are the zerg of humans
>commit suicide
You mean in the manga?
schizo
i learned everything i know from Sengoku Rance
I don't know about you but this thread has been a lot more civil than I was expecting, honestly.
commies
remember commies aren't people
>kahn almost conquered the whole continent by accident because he was bored
It's just the way of things. Farmers obey samurai, and samurai obey demons!
I happened to have watched Inuyasha and other anime of the time period, thank you.
Just a jobber
No, he literally became a neet on a cave after writting his book and died of starvation
Gorin-No-Sho is a good book but I don't believe half the stories I hear about Musashi. He was certainly a great duelist and a great tactician but there is barely anything known about him. At least relative to the amount of obvious bullshit people have made up over the years.
Taiwan is also Chinese but also not sub-human (same decreasingly goes for Macau, Hong Kong, and Singapore). see
>their sidewalks collapsing and swallowing people and shit
Yes. It was fully repaired within a week though
Yo, you can't bring an oar to a sword fight.
>ywn fuck princess abi and eat her mom
Why live?
I'm fine with the gameplay being anime as fuck, I'm all in favor of it. And I understand from a gameplay perspective it's important to have the generals look different from the troops. But I just hate the dumb Final Fantasy outfits. A game can emulate anime in gameplay and not have their characters look so grandiose and overdressed. I'm not saying their outfits are poorly designed, some look great, just that it really looks weird when you have period appropriate ashigaru troops being led by a fucking 8 foot goliath in a cape.
That's not the same as committing suicide.
>starvation
He died of old age tf are you on about
That was everyone's ambition, retard. Every warlord at the time was trying to unify Japan. They all wanted to conquer it all save for some few exceptions, it is why it was called the Warring States.
Nah. I get what you mean. I'm still pissed we didn't get the TV drama outfits for Spirit of Sanada.
The original 4 were a lot more tame with the designs, especially Tactics
Goddamn those two games are underrated, I am absolutely trash at them though
I like to think not much of his story is exaggerated, since he's recorded in history in a country whose warrior culture was all about being the most legit.
The guy ordered someone's head sawed off with a bamboo reed because he recognized he fought in an enemy's army. He did some shit.
aaaaa i hate adult Yukimaru in Spirit of Sanada. His cape ruins everything
It clips through half his attacks and right through any mount
Digust, just like any reasonable person right now.
Communism. It's not Chinese, it's Communism. Taiwan is technically the REAL China.
Taiwan and China both deal in manufacturing. China makes garbage cheap knockoffs. Taiwan has Acer, ASUS, and a bunch of others I can't remember.
Show me here that's written you ashigaru shit!
>Acer, ASUS
so, garbage cheap knockoffs?
Ahem
FUCK TOKUGAWA AND FUCK THE EASTERN ARMY
Because a majority of the population of modern-day mainland China is comprised of the peasant farmers that remained from the Great Leap forward. Basically all of the actual top tier Chinese either left China decades ago, got killed by the Red army, or are millionaires/government officials within China.
He was literally caught trying to kill Nobunaga though.
>One of the most brutal decapitations was that of Sugitani Zenjubō (ja:杉谷善住坊), who attempted to assassinate Oda Nobunaga, a prominent daimyo in 1570. After being caught, Zenjubō was buried alive in the ground with only his head out, and the head was slowly sawn off with a bamboo saw by passers-by for several days.
Shimazu Yoshihiro that you?
He should have had Yasuke mindbreak Akechi and then he wouldn't have been betrayed.
>I like to think not much of his story is exaggerated
There's very little if any historical documentation for the stories of his most dramatic duels. There are very, very few sources that trace back to people that actually knew him in person.
>Clearly Sanada emblem
cmon user....
Nobunaga liked foreign things and most Japanese are right-wing xenophobes.
Why was Spirit of Sanada so kino? First time Koei actually showed how much of a dick Ieyasu was
So, next verse, same as the first? Explains why slavs are also generally retards and brigands.
This is where Nobunaga and Cao Cao differ.
>These guys faked a surrender
>Killed my son, my retainers, and personally setback my plans to pacify northern Jing
>They should be real good at war I'll recruit them
Fess up, how many "katanas" do you own?
Eh, I wish there was more of a focus on wuxia stories and devs making action games out of them (that aren't mmos).
That makes sense. I tried sharing Jesus with a Jap once and he got mad and all of a sudden invoked the great "bukkyo".
Vlad III probably cared far more about independence for Wallachia than any religion, but he did help stall out part of the Ottoman war machine. Also, he was betrayed by Matthias Corvinus more than anything; Radu was an opposing general/puppet contender as voivode. Also, depending on how accurate the sources were, a lot of Vlad's subjects were forfeiting near the end of his second reign/jumping ship. It's possible this was because they feared or disliked him, though it's also possible they lost their balls and became idiots a la the village in The Magnificent Seven.
Stoker's novel is the reason why people really took note of Dracula again, but the real guy is pretty interesting himself.
None but I've thought about getting other things like shrine trinkets or personal accessories and junk. Coolest thing I'd ever want is a miniature torii gate made of the same wood with the crazy red coating and everything like the full on normal ones. Shit would be real nice.
Funny you should ask user
The build-up to modern China is actually really fucking sad. Literally almost 2000 years of invasions and conquests from foreign invaders (i.e. Japs, Mongolians, Manchus, etc.). """Pure""" Chinese hasn't existed for a long, long time
>who's
You don't even know English.
Christianity has a really interesting place in Japan nowadays. Either its too different from Japanese culture that no one wants to do it, or the modify it to be so similar that no one sees the point. Only about 1% of the Japanese population is christian, if not lower.
>tfw you're so insane you attend your own funeral
>You served loyally under Dong Zhuo and Li Jue, lured me into a trap, got both my son and and Dian Wei killed, and now when Yuan Shao is banging at your door, you and your leader want to surrender to ME?
>Yes.
>OK
Jia Xu's actions before Guandu were a trip.
Many Chinese identify themselves with the "Sinim" of the Bible (Isaiah 49:12). Is it possible that the original Ch'in were related to the Sinites (which mostly settled in northwestern Arabia, hence Sinai)?
How is shinto nowadays? I know it's always kind of been there mostly faded out, but what about today? Would there be anyone besides temple staff that might have actual thought on it?
>Play Sengoku Basara 3
>Play as any character other than Nobunaga
>When you beat up another character they disappear and their voice lines indicate that they're running away
>Play as Nobunaga
>When you beat up another character their body lies there and their voice line is them dying
Want to buy a Nihonto but owning weapons is against THE LAW here senpai, feel bad
This
Forget Zhuge Liang, Jia Xu was the real 100 INT strategist.
>That fucking high school spin-off anime last season
I was talking about it with his wife, first, so maybe that was also angered him in part.
>china is communist
lel
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They acknowledge he was a ruthless man living in a ruthless age but ultimately his actions contributed to the unification of the nation, meaning the good outweighed the bad. This is baffling to people to treat their founding leaders as if they're perfect. As Oda wasn't the emperor, he's fair game.
>being gay
Just don't
I just got off a game of Warriors Orochi and am looking at Sun. I don't play these games every iteration so I'm just looking at all the different outfits they got on. Last one I really delved into was Dynasty Warriors 3, so how did Sun become so much more feminine as time went on?
>is portrayed as a tyrannical conqueror literally in league with fucking devils, a sorcerer of black magic, evil as fuck, a ghost, a demonic ghost etc
because that's what was believed of him in his time
if you weren't autistic and/or retarded you might understand this
You now remember SW1 Oichi being married to Katsuie.
Admit it, you would sigh Demon Lord of the Seven Hells too if you could back then
She was the same relative tomboy 2-5, 6 and onwards they went with the "Liu Bei's wife" angle that nobody really cared for and its stuck. Rot3K SSX is hotter than the current DW incarnation.
Shinto is the foundation for a lot of modern Japanese culture, much like Buddhism. It's not really something you practice, unless your family is from a clan of On'myouji or something. It's more cultural
>don't be flanked.
WOW! Thanks Sun
UK?
That is because he really was a a tyrannical lord
He forced his way militarily and was respected by some for it but hated by a large part of japan even to this day for it
>sigh
No, Vietnam
The Boxer Rebellion is good to read up on. The ENA could have been great if WW1 didn't immediately ruin it. In fact the entire Century of Humiliation is an interesting period, not so much for the chinks but but anyone else it's interesting.
Dark mage ninja sounds better.
fuck
Looks nice.
Pretty much this Shinto and Buddhism have just become so ingrained into Japanese culture that despite practicing many religious activietes that have had large religious meanings, most of the Japanese consider themselves non-religious.
When was the last time you were in the comfiest Saturday night thread?
Probably last Saturday
I'd take this one without a doubt. I don't get some of these design choices.
Kunoichi looked better, too. I remember playing the hell out of Extreme Legends when they first introduced Tadakatsu Honda and Ina. I hate Kunoichi's new look and I dunno if Ina's in this game but they probably made her look like a train wreck too. I'm currently going through 3 Ultimate.
That sucks balls, user. c
Ice cube sounds cooler
DW6 ultra girlified her and while she's not as bad off now as she was in that game she never regained her full tomboy personality or outfits.
>DW5 SSX kills Liu Bei at Yi Ling to protect her brother, breaks down because of it
>DW6 she happily joins Liu Bei in beating down her former friends and family as she just wuvs Liu Bei that much.
go on
Early 20th century propaganda art was great
Katsuie was a generic NPC and not a grumpy old man until SW2:XL though. I don't think think SW1 even had the Battle of Shizugatake.
>Video games
What game gives me this feeling?
Don't worry! we're just commies in name only
The three unifiers were by today standards awful people that brutally murdered thousands.
Watching Furin Kazan, why isn't based Yamato Kansuke in any of the Samurai Warriors?
I own 0 swords or guns or anything because I'm not a weeb or a faggot
>Commies come to power
>Start purge of all intellectuals aka anyone not a peasant or smart enough to oppose their rule
>Intellectuals flee to Taiwan
>Taiwan is a normal first world nation while China is a dystopian hellhole
It's communism
Yeah I can see that, holy shit. The design, the voice, all of it annoys me. Then again, I'm also used to the english dubs too. I miss that. I can get over that, though.
Do the downloads or outfit options at least give you something?
Name a conqueror/"unifier" that succeeded that didn't leave a trail of corpses in their wake.
I have a big South Vietnamese section of my city. How much different do you think you are from them?
>Taiwan is a normal first world nation
no
I want a Dynasty Warriors-esque game set in Europe.
WW1, 17th century, medieval times, I don't care. I just want some fucking cuhrazy wacky anime-tier slash em up disguised as Euro-history.
DW7, 8, and Orochi 3 have DLC with all the old PS2 outfits, and one of the games has her RotK outfit that's in this picture as DLC too. Think it's DW8 but I can't remember.
Not that guy you replied to, but besides the lack of international recognition, yes.
It was the attempt to build communism that caused all the problems of modern China, which is more of a Fascist state at this point
I hate that stupid shit. Last time I was playing, I was playing as Date and some random clan was getting pretty strong, pretty much dominating half of the whole country when he decided to attack me. I then proceeded to kick his ass all the way through his domain without stopping and half way through I got realm divided.
The really stupid thing is that realm divided doesn't trigger for AI, they can do all they want and no one gives a shit, but when you do it in your own defense against a superior opponent, you get fucked instantly.
There are lots of great historical figures that are underrepresented. Even prominent leaders like Mori Terumoto, Ukita Hideie and Miyoshi Chokei never show up.
They could do a mean caricature that's for sure
Also the best at appealing to a sense of pride and patriotism and anything like it today would be called nothing short of nationalistic
Political art today is so critical and serious
>more of a fascist state at this point
As all communist states eventually turn into, just as Il Duce and Gio. Gentile predicted.
Yes
>22nd largest economy in world
>21st in HDI
>Democratic Republic
>Highly urbanized and tech-forward
The fuck? Ieyasu is spoken like eee ay ya sue
Does anyone have pictures or link to a gallery of that Japanese book on the history of America
Really. That's great to know, thanks.
So even for ?
I really miss this look.
>but it's not real communism
here's your Oda Nobunaga, bro
Iesu/Yesu (Jesu) (ie, "Jesus") and Ieyasu (Yay-yasu in the dialect of the time)
Real communism can never exist, that's why I said it was an attempt
>the fucking Christians literally tried to overthrow the govt.
>literally
>be Spaniard
>make a joke to a Nip that Spain likes to convert other lands to Christianity and then conquers them
>Nipponese takes this seriously and tells Hideyoshi
>he goes apeshit
>has a bunch of innocent missionaries executed out of fear
>foreigners outlawed years after
You're as delusional as the Japs back then.
It's always some minor clan too. The bigger clans have no sense of preservation. They immediately move their entire army out of their only settlement on the offensive and their neighbor just simply moves their army in one turn later and boom, another faction gone just like that. Oda, Tokugawa, and Mori are always wiped out within the first five turns for me.
>tfw there were games like Nier Automata everywhere during the PS2 era and now it's considered an aberration
>game development is so fucking costly now that all the japanese weirdo auteurs just get drowned out now by the development process
>development teams used to be like 10 people at most, now 100 at least
Dark days ahead
exactly my point about the moron who called China "fascist" because it's never his true Scotsman
Yeah, the old costume pack for SW has Kunoichi's hat intact.
>Jesuits and Dominicans
>Christians
>not literally agents trying to conquer the world in the name of the pope
ok papey
Thank Christ. The hat was like one of the best parts.
Those heathens were in need of the world of God too
I'm about as anti communist as you can get, what I am saying is that China, in its attempt to create communism, built a fascist state.
Real communism can never exist
Reminder that Abe Lincoln was killed by jesuits
Realm Divide is just code for "the human is getting too powerful, kick him in the nuts"
>We'll never see weird shit like Odama or Katamari Damacy show up again as everything has to be safe and ensure profit
>we'll never pinball our way through Japan again
Yeah, it was one of those minor factions. I wish they made the game more about diplomacy and upgraded their fucking AI. Their army composition and actions rarely make any sense. Also, it might be just me, but it's way too easy for an enemy to just sail past your fug huge navies and land an invasion force right on the doormat of your capital, it drives me nuts.
I really hope that Suda51 will stay in the business long enough to make a few more games, him and his company are pretty much a relic of that era. Travis Strikes Again felt like a PS2 game in a good way.
This is my Nobu
And my point that Mussolini and Gentile were right also still applies user
It wasn't loyalty, they were so afraid that they just resigned to their fate because if they tried to leave the city they'd be slaughtered, and trying to fight back or bringing too much attention to yourself by stealing or killing others for food would just bring the soldiers to you where they'd just kill you and eat you. The 400 civilians that survived begged soldiers that would listen to them to kill them just so they wouldn't have to continue remembering the atrocities they had seen. Reminds me when the Romans had Jerusalem under siege, there was a woman named Mary, who came from a wealthy village family. She would be beaten up, her valuables stolen, and taunted at by the roaming band of delinquents that constantly broke into homes looking for food. Driven insane by the conditions of the siege, she killed her infant son, cooked him, and ate him. The roaming bands immediately caught the whiff of food, and barged straight into her home. They demanded the food to be shown, and in her kindness she revealed the half eaten child, the remaining half saved specifically for them.
I'm aware, I'm aware, brother. If it weren't for him, we'd be the next Balkans far more quickly than 5 years from now.
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>reveal your entire plan to the guys you're trying to invade
They must have been fucking morons if that's how they seriously took over other lands.
>Warriors All-Stars 2 never ever
>I'll never kill entire battlefields with this glorious cat cad again.
Best character in the game as it treated him seriously despite being a talking cat with the personality of Nobunaga Oda.
>Called himself the demon king of the sixth heaven
>Best idea for taking down a temple of Buddhist monks was to set the forests on their mountain ablaze and kill everyone, even civilians
Gee, I wonder why!
I got that game in my case but I'll probably never finish it. What was the point of making it single player only?
>にゃんと!?
I fucking loved Nobunyaga.
>bunch of bandits thieves and rapists join monks
>claim to be peaceful while doing kuronbo shit on the side
>suppress these goons
>your political opponents claim you're harming innocent dreamers
Reminds you of a certain President huh.
This but with Rio.
It is way too easy for anything to happen. In fact, the whole game is revolves around simply walking into empty settlements both for the A.I and the player. You spend a dozen turn putting together your perfect expeditionary force with the unit composition and upgrades just right just for you to enter your enemies land and find out all of the cities are empty because the A.I took everyone he had to take an irrelevant castle on the other side of the country and probably wont be back anytime soon because you can defend a dirt hovel in this game against a doom stack of samurai three units of ashigaru and a single unit of retainers because the game is so broken. Repeat ad nasuem until you get to the Ashigakas because this are literally programmed to sit and rot in their capital and then the game decides that you had enough "fun" and leaves you to waltz into more ghosttowns once you fend off about five armies consecutively for the next thirty turns, but hey, Three Kingdoms is bound to be a big improvement, right guise?
Absolutely no idea. The entire game feels like it was half finished and they had to rush it out the door. Not even a free play mode.
Still enjoyed what was there. Was really disappointed WO4 didn't bring over any of the characters introduced in WAS. Not even Zhou Cang which means WAS was the only time he had access to his originating weapon as he's a clone in DW9.
Men were far bolder in those times. They made up for the loss with their "paleography" bullshit, culminating with the publishing of the "Sinaiticus" forgery.
Because they weren't the ones writing the history books. It was the buddhist monks who did that. You know, the ones whos mountain was burned down.
Anyone have that chart of a bunch of warring states period generals and their various depictions in anime/video games?
All-Stars made me realize I actually really like a lot of Koei IPs. It just felt a bit too repetitive, even for a musou game.
People only support this mentality because they're not the target, if its aimed at you people suddenly have an epiphany on all the problems with this ideology
Season 2 fucking when? I need more of this glorious madman
They never surrendered until Nobunaga burned the temple.
And the Ikko-Ikki were horrible shits prior to that, Nobunaga was fighting them for around a decade. The temple was essentially a last resort.
>not the jews just eating their children because they worship satan
Fuck jews. They probably had food stores but just wanted to eat their fucking children
Problem was that since it was divided into three factions and you had to restart the story in order to do the other factions you'll be redoing the same stages over and over, especially those characters who were able to join all three groups required their stages to be cleared each time.
They also missed not putting Rygar in the game. How the fuck do you miss an obvious choice like that?
This picture always makes me laugh because it's a lazily edited version of Sorin Otomo's portrait from Iron Triangle.
>bolder
There's a fine line between bold and stupid. This was true even back then.
There was a siege beheld onto their city.
>Cringe and cuckpilled
Guy burnt down many temples and called hinself "Demon king of the sixth realm" and he was vilified by the Buddhists in Japan
The Japanese know how to have fun with their own history. On top of being the one to dub himself a demon in the first place, Nobunaga is also often the hero in those games. Just because they make him a dickass like he really was doesn't mean they hate him.
Doesn't matter, had received the true faith
I absolutely love curbstomping every faction and colonizing the country with the Portugal mod in Shogun 2
Unless it's Sengoku Basara.
Everybody in Basara is insane so it evens out. I hate what they did with Ieyasu after he became a full character though. I don't know if SB4 showed him to be an asshole like everybody else but he was too squeaky clean in 3.
I've always wondered, are Abe Shinzo and Abe Lincoln related?
That's truly one of the biggest weaknesses that the Koei Musou games has. Once you've played each level with the two or three scenarios they've got set up, you're pretty much done. DW5 tried to fix this by giving a few more scenarios if you play as certain characters, but it's pretty much padding.
They take blood oaths and literally called themselves the "Illuminati" (Alumbrados/Enlightened). What else did you expect?
ok Satan (2 Thess. 2:3-4, 1 Timothy 4:1-3, Revelation 18:4)
So of course DW9 goes completely overboard by having chapters be several hours long unless you rush them and most characters in a kingdom have the exact same stories.
I fucking wish DW9:Empires will hurry the fuck up and get here. That or SW5.
t. darkie boi
>Taiwan is technically the REAL China.
the floor is vibrating from a million screeching bugmen
是非も無いね!
Fuck it I've been called worse
Wait are you implying I'm talking about spreading any faith other than the true one?
got that for $10 new, made the whole house mad unsuccessfully trying to issue commands tho
Of course, Constantinian, but we can take this elsewhere and leave the Zipongers be.