Worst game in the series is the best selling

The worst game in the series is still Gaiden.

if it wasnt for awakening the series would be good. stop being salty they added eugenics and options for difficulty

>It's a good game
Worst bait yet 3/10 got me to reply, almost as bad as Awakening itself

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It was the best selling game in a series of niche SRPGS, to the point where it sold far beyond its contemporaries. It must've done something right that all the others beforehand were doing dreadfully wrong.

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The fact that it sold well is mostly coincidental

4*

Gaiden, Echoes, Birthright, arguably Sacred Stones and Shadow Dragon are worse than Awakening.

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Did you read the rest of my post? Awakening is legitimately my least favorite game in the series, I even like playing Gaiden more because I'm a fag and get off on old NES rpgs, but I think it's important to actually consider why Awakening did so well and why people who started with it enjoyed it. You can't just shut your ears and go "LALALA IT'S BAD END OF DISCUSSION"

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dead not good FUCK

>Sacred Stones
>worse than Awakening
Dumb grinder

>Again
>It's a good game
What is it with FEfags and being stupid?

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>Echoes
>When it has better music, visuals, story and lore
>Birthright
>When it has better mechanics, gameplay, music and visuals
>Sacred stones and Shadow dragon
>When it's better in everything
Bait

Gaiden and Echoes are but that's it

All of those except for Gaiden are better than Awakening.
>Shadow Dragon
And this is actually a good game.

You must be a FEfag :^)

*ahem*
That is the only FE game I 100%ed because it is also the best one, so eat shit OP.

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more like FAGGOT EMBLEM

You can't say SD is a bad game is a bad game when it's literally better than 1 in every way and 1 was unmentioned.

>Shit series' first good game is the worst in the series

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>it sold the most
>no that doesn’t matter but wait I still want to shitpost about Awakening despite being literally wrong about my first point

Nope, Awakening is a bad game and will always will be. FEfags like you are just that fucking dumb

Story is different, characters are (with like four exceptions) different, maps are almost all entirely different.

People that say SD is a bad game just shit on it for the artstyle and the maps that you have to kill your units to access (maps that aren't even necessary, the whole point of those new maps and characters are crutches for people who keep getting their units killed and need replacements). It is the best version of Dark Dragon by far because 1 is super slow and jank as hell and 3 is still kind of slow and cuts out entire chapters from the game.

Waifus are the strongest marketing tool in vidya today. Hot chicks carry games in popularity far better than gameplay because porn is free advertising.

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>Implying you're correct with that assumption
>I can only go forward in the series and not look at the past games
Stupidest post I have ever seen.

source?

Yeah, it made the series significantly easier, was on a system that a fuckton of people had, and got decent marketing as an anime waifu/husbando sim

That's not sacred stones.

>Easier
>Proceeds to make Conquest which is harder than most games of the series.

Yeah cause Conquest was geared towards older fans while Birthright was the one geared towards those who started with Awakening.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_3DS_video_games
It’s a small margin but it wins out

>it made the series significantly easier
Like half the games before Awakening were just as easy. If not easier, in SS's case.

Fire Emblem has always sucked. It sucked when nobody bought it on the GBA, It sucked when nobody bought it on the gamecube, It sucked when Awakening actually managed to sell and turn it into a successful franchise, The old games all sucked as well. Fire Emblem is a franchise with zero good games and a fanbase full of huge faggots who think they're better than each other because they think their shitty game is the best.

This Awakening is much more enjoyable than Birthright in my eyes.
It’s like the same level of difficulty but I find using Galeforce to clear out maps fun atleast

why spoonfeed the reatards user they'll always be in denial

Based

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Because deep down I believe people can change despite how foolish that truly is on this site

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I'm just curious, what do you consider hard. I don't think most games are that hard to begin with.

Fair, but it was the first to have a dedicated casual mode (not counting NMotE since that was jap only) in addition to all the waifu shit

Huh. Awakening is still the worse game in the series though

Birthright's difficulty was more fair never throwing enemies with counter at you or using sameturn acting reinforcements. It's unit balance was more balanced as Ryoma still needs to dodge tank successfully while Robin can just noseferatu heal the damage off. It also encouraged more player phase activity due to most of your units in Birthright having shit defence. It also managed to have decent maps like 9, 12, 26. Pair up is way better in Birthright with attack stance requiring more thought put into attacking and positioning and guard stance nerfing pair up.

>It was the first game with a casual mode even though it actually wasn’t but that doesn’t count for reasons
What are you going to tell me Robin was the first MU next?

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Isn’t guard stances basically the best option in every situation though?

Based but Awakening still sucks

>Weaker player phase capability
>Less units to use per turn
No

Just because it takes a bit longer doesn’t mean it’s not broken as fuck and keeps you alive much more than it should.

Guess how I know you haven't played "Mystery of the Emblem" worst fucking sequel in the series by far and completely ruins the first one.

Yeah Awakening has a lot of waifushit but it's still a better game.

bait

Nigga I just explained how guard stance is nerfed pair up and how attack stance is more attractive, how is that not an improvement over Awakening? And what do you mean take longer? You want to clear as much enemies as possible during player phase so then you don't have enemies go around your tanks and attack your weaker units behind them, something that if you use guard stance too much, you'll struggle to do. Like I said, most Birthright units have shit defence.

But user as long as your weaker units aren’t in range of the enemies you’re fine.

Awakening is by far the easiest game in the franchise and Robin is by far the most overpowered character

FE8 is still piss easy but Awakening set a new standard for handholding

waifufags is the entire reason
awakening isn't the worst in the series and is pretty far from it, but it was when the series turned into waifubait

>dumbasses still don't know that Fates is more otomebait than waifubait.

You do realize you still have less units to use the next turn if you're using guard stance. If there's still enemies that can get closer to you but you don't have enough units to kill all of them, they'll still get closer to your weaker units and it's not like your tanks can tank forever either as Ryoma still needs to rely on dodge tanking and your spearmasters get hard countered by axe users and mages and you should know how much Birthright loves throwing berserkers at you.

fates is easily the worst in the series and hopefully three houses isn't complete shit
i'm actually okay with the setting being at a military academy and the source of training troops and it could make for an interesting plot and mechanics but so far they've shown that it's just going to be high school hijinks/valkyria chronicles lite
>otome

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Not him but Fates is garbage because the base of the entire game is just -bait
They make Awakening scenes and characters look like fucking Shakespeare in comparison

>Weebshit is more weebyshit than it is weebshit

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Nope that's Awakening. Cope harder

waifus is the answer.

>Actually thinking Fates is worse than Awakening when it actually has good gameplay

>it's another FE fans value the story too highly and pretend Fates is the worst game because it episode

Conquest has good gameplay. Birthright is just slightly better Awakening, and Revelations is a complete shitshow

user, this entire franchise is otome as fuck. Fates is a return to form as far as that's concerned.

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I legit think Fire Emblem Fates (specifically Conquest and Revelations) has the honest to god worst story I’ve ever experienced in a game that is just retardation upon retardation that gives me no association to the characters which kills any connection and impression I have with the game

Still better than anything that Awakening can hope to achieve.

Revelation is the worst game in the series.

There's no good or bad, worst or best
There's just like and dislike
Deal with it, or live life as an autist

Monster Hunter

I will never find Kellem's position on the Awakening cover art not hilarious.

Same can be said for Awakening. I think it has the worst gameplay of any game I've played that it killed my interest to it entirely.

>good gameplay
>in one of three games
>even then, conquest still has some fucking shit maps
>implying what little of the gameplay isn't completely ruined by the barebone characters, shit story, forced children and never ending suck off of Corn

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Stop being a disingenuous faggot
FE blew up because of Awakening having all that shit alongside being released worldwide, it was the combination of all prior elements in addition to this that made it more accessible and therefore successful

It blew my mind when I first noticed it.

Revelations is in no way better than Awakening. It somehow manages to have worse maps, even worse unit balance, and possibly the most retarded story to ever grace the series.

>ompletely ruined by the barebone characters, shit story, forced children and never ending suck off of Corn
So Awakening

>Implying Conquest has shit maps
>Implying Fates doesn't have its decent characters like Xander, Nyx and Saizo

2 games that are better than Awakening with one game on par with Awakening is still better than Awakening.

>something is more cringe than something else that is also cringy
Yes? Are you retarded or something

Like say what you will about how much they push that joke but they were fucking committed to it. I liked the low self esteem her had gained from feeling so isolated

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Revelation is not on par with Awakening. It is 100% worse.

and all this isn't even getting into Echoes.

Fire Emblem would be better if we replaced all the characters with the DK crew.

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Doesn't even matter which region either.

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Is it truly worse than Echos though?

Awakening was designed around children from day 1.
Fates literally created a hyperbolic day care that literally fucks with the logic of the world and is only in the story because “well Awakening had kids lol”

Fire emblem was always a total shit, 3ds games sold because of ironic weeb subhumans

That's still 2 games that are better than Awakening.

>Xander
GARON'S MY DAD, I DON'T CARE IF HE'S A COMPLETE LUNATIC WHO KEEPS TRYING TO KILL YOU, CORN

>people actually think Awakening is good
What the fuck? It IS the worst game in the series.
>>infinite reclassing
>broken pair up
>dogshit maps
>major skill imbalance, most are dogshit outside of OP ones like galeforce
>no tactical skill, game is EP focused and all about tanking
>rout is the only objective
>children are broken as fuck
>Robin is broken as fuck
>L+ is artificial difficulty until Robin starts snowballing and you get Morgan
>terrible armor design
>shit tier characters, even more so then usual for FE
>3D models lack fucking feet
Lets not even get started on with the bat shit retarded story, dumb kids, random unexplained shit, worse characters in the series, no one is likable but Nowi and Henry

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Sure. But is Revelations not part of the series? How can Awakening be the worst game in the series, if there is a game worse than it?

His supports are generally really good though.

>in one of three games
The three games have the exact same gameplay you idiot.
>even then, conquest still has some fucking shit maps
Every game in the series does, compared to Awakening where 90% of the maps are shit.
>implying what little of the gameplay isn't completely ruined by the barebone characters, shit story, forced children and never ending suck off of Corn
No, it isn't, besides all of that also applies to Awakening but without good gameplay or maps. By the way, children are better in Fates.
>B-BUT THE HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER
They're not broken and their level scales, meaning you don't have to grind. That alone makes them better than Awakening, but you don't care don't you? As long as your precious plot is good (and by good I mean barely better than Fates) it doesn't matter if the game is shit.
When Fates is better than your game, you know you fucked up, Awakening is trash.

>barebones characters
I'll give you that since everyone's opinion differs
>shit story
Fates is known to go above and beyond in how shit a story can get. Awakening was passable.
>forced children
>in a game where undoing the bad future involves going to the past
>making less sense than having children in the middle of a war and throwing them in a hyperbolic time dimension
>sucking off Robin
>when they're only relevant for the last 25% of the game
At least play the game before shitposting on it.

>Support Xander is a great character
>In game Xander is one of the worst characters in the series

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Here's the thing. Fates isn't one game. The original point was that some one said Awakening was better than Fates despite all three playing differently.

>Awakening was designed around children from day 1.
lol the multiversing/Time travel shit was retarded and had major plot holes and worse in everyway gameplay wise. Awakening kids are pure trash

If I have never touched a Fire Emblem game before which ones would you recommend me to play? I prefer it when a jrpg is really tough and I want to get my ass kicked

I don't care about fucking waifu shit (they're all boring looking honestly) and I just want to play a hard ass rpg/jrpg

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>it doesn’t count because I don’t like it
Faggot

>the jerk reaching that level

fuck my life, I'm literally switching to reddit

Is recommended 7. It’s got an in-depth tutorial to start but there’s a lot more to play after that

You have two entry level choices.
7, which is on the GBA, is a good choice because it has forced tutorials for the first 1/3rd of the game, making it a complete bitch if you play it later.
Awakening on the 3DS, which is the most controversial according to Yea Forums, still does a good job at getting you into the mindset of FE, despite what people on here will say otherwise.

Ignore anyone telling you to play Shadows of Valentia first, it is by far the least fire-emblem fire emblem.

FE threads are so much fun because everyone can shit on any game and still be right for the most part

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>I just want to play a hard ass rpg/jrpg
then this is not the series for you

>The time travel shit had plot holes
And are you going to name any of them? Or pretend like you had a legitimate rebuttal by implying there were problems despite that fact you don’t actually explain any.

>Fates is known to go above and beyond in how shit a story can get. Awakening was passable.
Bait. Awakening shits on every single original game and was fucking retarded to boot. Kill yourself Awakeningfag.
>forced children
Awakening
>n a game where undoing the bad future involves going to the past
Bad writing and plot holes
>making less sense than having children in the middle of a war and throwing them in a hyperbolic time dimension
Both are dumb you just pretend a shit game is good
>sucking off Robin
Yes? Robin is a complete mary sue of a character that completely overshadows the actual protagonist and in true anime self insert fashion fucking everyone instantly loves him and the game must remind the player every 10 seconds how smart and amazing he is and anyone who ever doesn't like him or disagrees must be shown to be irredeemably evil or come around to our glorious self-insert's impeccable reasoning and never makes any kind of mistakes. Of course he also doesn't need to follow the rules of the game and has his own special snowflake class where he's a warrior AND a mage at the same time oh and he's also a dragon. Fuck Robin.

It's honestly almost as bad as Persona protagonists in terms of the self insert dicksucking that goes on.

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Fire Emblem fans: Where everyone thinks every game in the series is shit but will buy the next one anyway.

hahhhahahahahahahaha the fucking state of Awakeningfags.

This 100%
FE has always sucked to a degree. At least in Final Fantasy threads people take a step back and agree 7 was good but just over exposed, there’s no critical flaw that stops people from enjoying it that some people over look unlike EVERY SINGLE FIRE EMBLEM GAME

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This is now an Awakening thread.
When are they putting Cynthia in Heroes?

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FE6, 10, 11, 12 and 14CQ are the hardest ones, on hard mode or higher of course.

Kill yourself and take you shit game with you to hell

>You're only a true fan if you only like 3 games max and think every other one is irredeemable SHIT
I don't know why I even attend these threads.

>agree 7 was good
7 is shit and the downfall of the series

>Bait. Awakening shits on every single original game and was fucking retarded to boot. Kill yourself Awakeningfag.
Good response not actually saying anything. Glad you took the time to write out nothing over the course of 15 words

You're only a true fan if you don't like any of the games but have played every single one at least twice

>Birthright and Conquest

They're good if you don't feed the retards looking for free (You)'s.
Which is to say, the only good threads are ones where dumbasses like you aren't posting.

Hey user
Black and White

Final Fantasy 7 is easily one of the best Final Fantasy games hands down user

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>In The Future Past 3, it is revealed that Grima had killed Naga in an alternate future, which was stated by Naga to be impossible. It is not clear if that particular Outrealm operated according to different laws, or if the Grima and Naga of the game's realm are wrong about their relationship, although this is contrasted by or arguably enhanced by Tiki taking up the mantle of Naga. That is, Naga meant the role of Naga was immortal (hence Tiki being able to fill it as the Avatar for Grima), or it is indeed more mysterious that Tiki could replace the original Naga as a 'new one' to still complete the Awakening ritual. This, in turn, makes it questionable whether Grima was actually killed here or just sealed away for another 1,000 years when Lucina struck him down.
>The Children This is a very situational paradox, but it still is confusing. Say you S-support Libra and Cordelia, which in turn allows you to recruit Severa. After recruiting Severa, you get Cordelia killed (way to go, jerk) leaving you with only Severa and Libra...I think you guys know where I'm going with this. If Cordelia is dead and Severa hasn't been born yet..why is she still there? Shouldn't she cease to exist since she can't be born now?
>The Risen When the Risen (and "Marth") first appear through the outrealm gate during chapter 1, it's assumed they're coming from either the future or possibly another outrealm...great, right? But wait, if all the other Risen arrived through the same method and that's what started the Risen outbreak in the first place...how'd they even start? In the future that those Risen came from, how did the Risen gain prominence in that world? Did those Risen come from the future during that times past as well? But if that's true then those Risen needed a future to come from as well and....

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I still don't get how he criticized Sonic Adventure 2 yet praised Awakening as if he never played a past FE game before.
youtube.com/watch?v=01fPAPSuzy8

>DLC of an alternate future
>canon
Holy reach Batman!

>he literally resorts to DLC to complain about Lore
Desperate as FUCK user

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Waifus

>I hate the most popular game
Maybe it's because you're a contrarian npc whose opinion is formulated by Yea Forums

Maybe because YOU have bad taste?

I think a more appropriate example for that second point would be if the father died as the mothers just simply retreat.

SA2 sucks and has aged like milk, especially the GC version which is literally worse than the Dreamcast version

Metal Gear

Zelda and Pokemon you got your 5 shit series and the list can go on forever

>>>>>he literally starts with DLC
Oh yeah the fucking DLC where cards of Marth and every other protag comes to life is canon too then isn’t it

I meant more on so how he can acknowledge that game's flaws but not Awakening. I don't know maybe it's because Awakening was more recent and he was in a honeymoon phase.

>couldn't combat it
You mean the timeline where Lucina comes from?
We found the worst game in the series everyone!

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I think it was also because the 3ds was more desperate for games so everyone latched on more

>DLC
>canon
Why should I waste time explaining why your logic is retarded

You do realize that Odin canonically references the bridge incident in his support with Azura or how Selena mentions the springs in her support with Odin in Fates? Face it, the dlc was canon.

>Lucina
>Future Past
Fucking retard, Future Past is a timeline worse than Lu

Fucking Awakeningfags man
In FE3, it's revealed that the Gotoh nearly abandoned humans because when he tried to teach them magic, they just used it as another weapon to kill one another. Marth was the one who proved to him that he may have thought too rashly. Skip forward one or two thousand years, and the people of Archanea are still at exactly the same level of technology. They are still fighting constant wars over nothing. They have not only forgotten what the Shield of Seals is, some madman's actually gone ahead and pried the orbs out of it again. The only thing ensuring that Medeus and his horde of berserk earth dragons stay asleep? and yet the thing's been broken for centuries and you don't see any earth dragons. Also they just completely changed the layout and purpose of the Dragon's Table as well, and the function of the FE/SoS. They also completely ruined Tiki
>how, when, or why the Falchion was sealed?
>why did the FE changed function from banishing Earth Dragons to unlocking the ability to seal Grima with the Falchion?
>how the Dragon's Table changed function from sealing the Earth Dragons away to becoming a sacrificial altar for Grima to feast on his worshippers?
>what happen to the earth dagons sealed in the Dragon's Table, despite being sealed longer than they had been before Shadow Dragon or if they ceased to exist completely?
>why does Lucina's Falchion glows occasionally and why Chrom's Falchion never does despite being technically the same sword?
>the Avatar's mother is mentioned but never seen nor is there any indication of her current status aside from mentioning her in Chapter 23 by Validar. What the fuck is the point of this?
>Grima can only be destroyed by his own power, but the mechanism of this is never explained and is not true of any other entity in the series?
>how or why Grima is connected to the Dragon's table when it was where Degenerated Dragons were sealed in Archanea?
>how did Emmeryn ended up at the Mountain Village?

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Uhhhhhh supports aren't canon

>Future Past
>Lucina’s timeline
Retard alert

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Yeah just like how Renault's supports are nothing. He's just some priest you recruit late in the game in FE7 and has nothing more to him.

It was my first FE. I liked the writing and the characters, but I hate the gameplay. Sorry. I just can't stand moving a certain amount of squares in a video game, makes me feel like I'm playing a board game. And this one had rock paper scissors implemented too.

FE Awakening was much more revolves around the type triangle (and stats) than other games

Sounds like you don't like tactics based games in general then if you're complaining about a general concept of moving units of all things.

Just got this, what am I in for?

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>no that doesn't count!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the fucking state of Awakeningfags. Can't even come up argument huh for anything? Also It is also incredibly confusing that Lucina has swordplay training from Chrom despite the fact that he died when Lucina was 2, unless 1 year old Lucina was a total beast, the fucking extent of Chrom's character development stops the minute Gangrel is killed, Panne talks about being raised by her mother alongside other taguel in supports with Ricken, however in her supports with Yarne, Panne claims her mother died when she was an infant, and Panne never knew other taguel as a result, there's Little to no worldbuilding and the returning locations on Valm are completely incorrect with regards to corresponding locations in Fire Emblem Gaiden.
If Morgan is Lucina's brother, he mentions in a support conversation that she always had Falchion by her side in the future, despite losing all of his memories of her, in Tiki's conversation with Nah, she will claim Nah is unique and the first ever manakete hybrid in history, even if she is married to the Avatar and has a hybrid manakete child of her own. Fuck there's more shit I'm forgetting

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Map kino

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Because you are a contrarian little faggot

Thracia
Surprised nobody mentioned it

NOOOOOOOOOOOO AWAKENING DOESN'T HAVE A TERRIBLE STORY STOP MAKING FUN OF IT!!!!!!!

>map kino
>posts the worst stage
You should have posted the Takumi defense map!

t. brainlet who can't into wind positioning

>recommending tharcia to a fe newfag, which is not only known for having bullshit maps, but also a horrible fan translation

DLC is the closest the plot comes to being "good" desu

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Or maybe because it's a bad game you delusional little bitch. DEFEND THIS
>reliant on a large amount of random chance. Dual guard, dual attack, random enemy skills, all on top of already unreliable hit/evade/crit and many skills that have a random activation chance
>second seals resetting your level allowing infinite levels, even worse is your internal level can get high enough to only get 8 exp per kill on higher difficulties, meaning it isn't a good grind gane either
>Weapon durability is negligible like usual due to the plethora of gold and weapons dropped
>children units either end up broken or worthless due to no scaling
>removed all the good kinds of staves from the series. no sleep, berserk, warp, etc
>CAN BUY RESCUE STAFFS AT A VERY LOW PRICE FOR INFINITE AMOUNTS AND HAS A LOW RANK
>many open maps with minimal terrain/choke points. once your units have gotten enough experience under their belts for them to overwhelm the enemies with pure stats and the very powerful pair up mechanic even on luantic and L+
>there's a major skill imbalance problem in the game, most are dogshit outside of OP ones like galeforce since it focuses on the most important element of gameplay and and shit like Vantage + Vengeance + Wrath
>no tactical skill, game is EP focused and all about tanking since 1-2 range is supreme
>only has two objectives, Rout the Enemy and Kill Commander, leading to repetitive gameplay. there's No defend, No Seize, No Arrive, nothing. And it's not like there's that many side objectives as well. Villages are few and far in between, there aren't too many meaningful drops or chests and recruitment is limited to run Chrom up and Talk
>on the rare occasion you'll get an indoor map, but which is also very open with enemies crammed into every nook and cranny
This isn't even the extent of Awakenings problems like no weight so higher tier weapons is outright superior to each other with no downsides at all and the story and characters are trash.

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Monster Hunter World was only best selling because it was the first MH with good graphics and also had a PC release. They could've done the same with any one of the earlier titles and it would've sold the same.

>blocks your Lunatic run

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Yup, didn't enjoy FFTactics at all either. I just thought I'd give it a shot since FE is so popular, but it definitely made me realize SRPGs just aren't my cup of tea.

>liked the writing and the characters
That's sad

I would rather replay Awakening than games Fire Emblem: Echoes. Boy, is that game a drag.

>tried on multiple occasions to get into the series
>tfw lucklet
I've never been screwed over more.

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Why does Yea Forums hate echoes? It's basically them learning some lessons from Shadow Dragon but not all of them i.e. maps

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Faggots mad they can't play shipper simulator

It is so fucking boring to actually play.

Both games are total fucking dogshit anyone and made for people who love eating shit right out of a horses ass

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>FEfags don't like Awakening and Fates
>They're the highest selling
Sucks for you guys, but I'll keep enjoying my waifus

Because they typically come at a point where the franchise is getting popular and people want to jump in for the first time

It's a bad game, why the fuck is that so hard to understand. The characters aren't good, the story is awful, the gameplay is shit. SD is actually good unlike this piece of shit

GBA babbies are insufferable, Awakening and Fates made massive improvements to gameplay and map design.

This map has always stopped my attempts on a lunatic run. Literally everyone but Frederick and Robin are useless and die in two enemy attacks and even then Robin and Frederick can still die as easily and require some luck to survive. Even with how balls to the wall RD's early game is, it was at least still fair and didn't stat bloat the hell of the enemies to the point you need to rely on rng too much.

I used to dislike this game due to its trash gameplay, but I lightened up to it recently due to looking into more of its lore. I always liked its music, visuals and some of the characters though.

Because they don't even have standards for what a "good" FE game is. If you notice, no one on Yea Forums can actually come to an agreement on what FE game is the best or even good. The closest you'll get is Conquest for having decent maps while ignoring all its flaws that entail with it. Just fix the maps on Echoes and it would be pretty good.

Play Awakening so you can see how shit this series is and drop it

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That applies to a lot of game series, but certainly not Fire emblem though. The series was on it's death bed till awkening suddenly became a huge hit.

People love to shit on Fates' story, but it's not like it is that much below your average FE game's story so I don't get what the big deal is. FE never had good story.
The gameplay is the best in the series without doubt.

>Just fix the maps on Echoes and it would be pretty good.
And you still have a shit story and bad gameplay. You can't fix a fundamentally flawed game with no redeeming qualities you stupid bitch

I only got like maybe 7 maps in. The character interactions were entertaining enough and the story hadn't even kicked in. I see people complaining about the plot but I didn't make it far enough to have an opinion. I just remember enjoying the dialogue.

>love every FE I've played aside from Birthright/Revelation
>had qualms with aspects of them but thought they were all really top notch games
I know contrarianism is big around here but it astounds me how reviled the games are here despite how well regarded they are. I have come to the conclusion people hate that Awakening brought normies into what was more or less a niche series at the time.

>I prefer it when a JRPG is really tough and I want to get my ass kicked

You just have massive fucking shit taste

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Corrin is the only lord in series who isn't treated as "cool", that's like 90% of the reason people bitch about them. The most popular lords are mary sues like Hector and Ike.

Ike is a mary sue but not Hector

so we gonna have this discussion again?
can you all just admit that you like dick and shut up??

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Is Awakening the Persona 4 of Fire Emblem?

Echoes still has its flaws besides maps.
>Alm is less flawed in contrast to the original where he shown blind hatred to Rigelians while Celica is the only one to really mess up
>Alm and Celica's relationship feels forced
>In battle music can get repetitive
>Speed requirement to double being so low fucks over slow units too much and doesn't challenge faster units as much
>Most weapon arts that don't allow you to double are pointless to use if you can just double the enemy. Most are also too restricting with needing to use that specific weapon and use it enough times to use that specific skill

You're lucky, you didn't get the dumbest scene in video game history the Emm death scene

How was that scene dumb?

>I have come to the conclusion people hate that Awakening brought normies into what was more or less a niche series at the time.
This is probably it. Awakening made the series a lot more accessible, and those who bitch interpreted it as dumbing it down as usual. Shitting on Awakening is just contrarianism, and they only do it on Yea Forums because they can get away with it anonymously.

Was it dumber than the one death scene in Eternal Sonata where it takes literally 30 minutes for a traitor bitch to die (forgot her name) while flashing back multiple times through the tiny amount of cutscenes she was in? That was the worst I've ever seen.

Stop giving them (You)s.

To add to this, I think the whole 'Awakening gets three smash characters' didn't help either.

but yeah, I agree.

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We can at least agree that Corrin (male) looks cute and is ideal boywife material?

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>Shitting on Awakening is just contrarianism
Or maybe, it's a bad game. Clearly you don't think so, so prove the flaws wrong. Oh wait. you can't since it's all objectively true hahahahahahahahaha

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>dead franchise
>revived by OTHER people besides their fans that let the series almost die
Seethe more

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>You think the most popular is the worst

at least you admit that you are contrarian

It sold because they casualized the fuck out of it

The game has flaws, but its obviously very good or it would not have sold so well.

>The characters aren't good
You are fucking daft.

This guy is almost at mental crack point, lol.

pretty much this
>"real" fan aka only played the gba games don't buy any games and let the series die
>focus changed to appeal to new audiences
>new audiences actually buys and enjoys games
>bitches come to cry bout "casual" when the series is exactly the same shit now with relationships

Guess Rev is the best game ever made then

Sales are not a reflection of quality

t. nintendo fan

Yes, they are. They are not a perfect metric but its a good way to tell if something is good.

>Rev
the fuck is rev

Sales are only a reflection of quality when it supports your view.

MH was terrible on the 3DS and I welcome its return to real consoles, I just hate what they had to do to the game to make it palatable to western AAA trash consuming retards.

Defend Awakening. You literally can't challenge me

It's is impossible to agree on the best FEs period and not just on Yea Forums. The way the quality of each aspect changes so wildly combined with the different preferences people naturally have is the reason you can't get an average agreement.

That's subjective

If the game is good then how is it good besides sales?

Sales are 90% branding and marketing and 10% quality.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 probably sold more copies than all of your favorite games.

Only conquest

Guess Revelations is one of the best games ever made then

Says the nigger who despises almost all FE games yet still identifies as a fan of the series

>why didn't she try to escape? There was no one watching over her. and if there were, why didn't they attack and kill her, like what they were told to do?
>there is literally no reason she needed to commit suicide. forced drama
>either that is a huge fucking courtyard, or Chrom is the slowest runner ever. he was pretty close the spire that Emmeryn was standing on just as the archers attacked, why is it taking him so long to make it to her?
>chrom just stands there instead of trying to get her corpse back. I get it, he's sad, he just watched the most important person in his life die. But at that close proximity, you'd think he could, at the least, try to go and get her corpse. especially when Gangrel begins taunting him by saying he was gonna mount the corpse
>how did Chrom even Teleport? one minute he's over by the spire, the next he's back where all the peg knights died. what the fuck. Awakeningfags WILL defend this
>the archers make no attempt to stop Chrom from reaching Emmeryn as he's running towards them. And then they just disappear.
>where the fuck was Basilio's army during all this he death scene and after?
>Flavia throws an Iron Axe. No, not a Hand Axe, a fucking iron axe at the guard. what?

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worst game is Heroes, retard, the only good thing about that mess is Lyn's fanservice.

Defend the games flaws right now

I guess KH3 an amazing game.

>hating on the game that saved the franchise

I hate the fanbase more than the games

>PoR and RD do terrible because they are console only with RD being rushed out the door
>SD actually does average sales
>Don't release the sequel at all outside of Japan
>Hurr, why did the franchise almost die.
IS did their own shit and paid for it. The reason Awakening did so well was because there were no good games released for the 3DS yet, there hadn't been a FE release in the US in quite a few years, there was some actual advertisement for the game. Regardless of what was released, the game was bound to sell average. It's because they actually tried with Awakening, because they thought it was their last shot, that it did so well.

Well besides the gameplay being satisfying it has amazing character development because the systems it has in place to bond with characters.

>Well besides the gameplay being satisfying

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Thats why the Awakeningfag pretends the game is good

which revelations? there are a few with that title

Again I said it is not a perfect metric, but its better than nothing. And Battlefront probably is a better game for most people than my favorites. KH is my favorite video game series and god knows that is not for everyone.

>amazing character development

The gameplay is fun. I like strategy elements. The character development also makes me care a lot more because I am a lot more sad when a character I love dies because MY mistake.

>which revelations?
You have to be stupid

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>amazing character development

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Considering the only consistent criticism people have is that it's "too easy" (when it's a literal kids' game), yeah, it is.

Oh please, no need to be overly dramatic. The game play just like the old games, except a few things got updated that were honestly long overdue if they wanted more people to take the series seriously, like getting rid of segmented maps and flexing after drinking a potion.
The game is less clunky, more accessible, but not less challenging.

I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU MEAN ASSASSINS CREED OR RESIDENT EVIL

>Heroes proceeds to make the weapon triangle matter
>Heroes proceeds to breath more life to the skill pool like adding assist skills, ploys skills, desperation, stance skills and etc
>Makes special attacks not rng based but based on a countdown for more player involvement and skill involved
>Game is more EP and PP balanced rather than favouring one
>Game balances ranges the most by keeping melees and ranges stuck to 1 or 2 during PP, like they should
>Makes armour matter more by giving them more mobility and making them more powerful
>Heroes proceeds to make better maps than Awakening, Echoes or Revelations
>All of these things are in the mobile game of all things.
The absolute state of Fire Emblem

Yes you brainlets the fact that I can choose to bond with specific characters and see their character development is cool and the fact that it makes me care more about the gameplay so they do not fucking die is cooler.

>The gameplay is fun.
what's fun about it? The gameplay is bad
>I like I like strategy elementselements
What strategy? It's not a strategic game and doesn't have any tactical elements either
>The character development
What character development? Why would you feel sad when a poorly written anime trope dies?

Mario
SMT
GTA
Phoenix Wright
Sonic

>>>which revelation?
You have to be stupid

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first off it was on the 3ds when it was fucking red hot so it had a huge install base
second off it attracted mega casuals/kids due to, I'm not joking, the absolutely fantastic box art

Yeah, let's ignore that 85% of the cast does nothing, the plot is a heaping mess, worlds are too padded by beefy punching bags in large amounts, and stupid minigames are used in place of potentially interesting fights (like in Toybox).

>Defending heroes
Holy fucking hell, please hang yourself.

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The rpg elements mixed with the tactical strategy elements make the gameplay fun to me.

Just because it is not as hardcore as older titles it still has strategy elements.

Because I put time into bonding with them through Robin, why do you not care if a character you choose to bond with (which means you like them) dies? Do you just not like Fire Emblem games?

>Holy fucking hell, please hang yourself.
>"I have no argument"
t. brainlet

Awakening is amazing because I'm a Robin main in Smash Bros.

I never said I was not stupid? Either way they both are shit so it doesnt matter. I said sales is not perfect but something to go off of. The reason a game like Undertale sold a lot and a game like Black Ops 4 sold a lot are totally different.

How about you say why I am wrong? It is all subjective, we do not have to like the same things but I think saying Awakening is the worst is just wrong, especially when Fates kind of does most things worse than it as well as games like Heros existing.

>Yes you brainlets the fact that I can choose to bond with specific characters and see their character development is cool and the fact that it makes me care more about the gameplay so they do not fucking die is cooler.
You mean supports? Then do I have a game hot off the presses for you!

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I don't need an argument, because everything in that post is completely wrong bullshit.

user, I...

>willingly playing Escort Quest: The Game
Fuck Roy and Fuck 6

>And Battlefront probably is a better game for most people than my favorites.
You can't be fucking serious.

>The rpg elements mixed
What rpg elements? They are either broken and unbalance.
>tactical strategy elements
What? tactical/strategy, the game doesn't have both. Saying it's "fun" doesn't change it's a bad game.
>ust because it is not as hardcore as older titles it still has strategy elements
If a tactics game doesn't require tactics it's not a good game, doesn't change facts.
>Because I put time into bonding with them through Robin, why do you not care if a character you choose to bond with
What character development? Why would you feel sad when a poorly written anime trope dies?

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>I can choose to bond with specific characters and see their character development is cool
This has been in the series since what, the beginning? Supports didn't just magically appear in Awakening.

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Fates has better gameplay, visuals and music. You can argue Awakening has better story or characters but that's it. And if the mobile game of all things manages to have better gameplay than a mainline game, then there's clearly something wrong.

>I'm too much of a pussy or retard to explain why I think you're wrong

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>The generic star wars shooter is more up the average persons alley than kingdom hearts

Gee I wonder how I can to that conclusion.

>>>which revelation?
You have to be stupid

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The monsters are nerfed to pathetic levels and they have no way of dealing with hunters' improved mobility and fluidity. Weapon power creep also means high rank hunters in World game have higher DPS than G rank hunters in MHGU.

I shouldn't be able to sub 5 the game's flagship the first time I fight it, with a total of 3 armor skills and a weapon that isn't even fully upgraded yet.

>Fates has better gameplay, visuals and music

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Imagine having taste this bad. FEfags need to be shot on sight

This and chapter 10 definitely. Hell most of the conquest maps

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Fates some better things but it is mostly a downgrade, its biggest offenders being worse characters and a bad main plot story wise that makes me not really care about the gameplay because who cares if all these characters I do not care about die? The only emotional part of the game(s) happens in the Nohr playthrough and even that feels forced.

I cared about the characters in Awakening, so I cared about the gameplay more to make sure they do not die, which made me care about the characters more by rewarding me with higher bond rank if I fought alongside them and the loop works. Without the characters the gameplay looses a lot of the intensity when FE is not the hardest tactical series out there to begin with.

They're both shit, but Fates is even worse.

>5 str 40% growth
>doesn't promote until chapter 22
>out of chapter 25

Roy is the worst Lord and his game suffers for it.

He's no Hector.

If they remastered it and brought it to Switch I would gladly play it, SoV for its faults at least had characters I liked unlike fates which made me care about everything else in the game more. I like Roy as well just from smash so I imagine FE6 would be up my alley if I had the chance to play it.

Just because the game is easier doesn't mean it's bad. The old games were only hard because of artificial difficulty and bloated health anyway. World made MH fun.

Post a video of you sub 5-ing Nergigante with rank 5 weapon and 3 armor skills then.

>tfw Echoes was so bad I stopped playing Fire Emblem for a while after finishing it
Fuck, I should have played Gaiden beforehand so I would have known how fucking garbage it would be, the oldest FE game I played was 4.

>Animations that don't look awkward but instead stylish and cool
>Models actually have feet
>Justice RIP, Alight and Dark Fall absolutely BTFO of Awakening's map themes and Fates does away the garbage enemy phase music
>Attack stance, dragon veins, enemies having fixed skills, no sameturn acting reinforcements bullshit, Conquest having WAY better maps

You can't really enjoy the gameplay if the gameplay is shit in the first place. Something that Awakening really struggles with its bland map design, broken game mechanics and unbalanced difficulty.

>its biggest offenders being worse characters
Awakening has dogshit characters
>and a bad main plot story wise
So like Awakening. Okay. You can't challenge objectively, you can't counter anything said since Awakening is the worst game in the series
>I cared about the characters in Awakening
No one gives a shit about ""I"" you are a worthless pathetic human better off dead. Awakening will always be bad, why are you trying.

Pretty sure telius series bombed though

Nope, nice try. Not an argument.

I love how you are spouting this when just a few years ago, "easy MonHun" was the reason you were shitting on MH4U.

>Footfag
Off yourself.

>No one gives a shit about ""I"" you are a worthless pathetic human
If my opinion doesnt matter then why the fuck does yours matter any more than mine exactly? Do you not see the fault in saying an opinion is objective when your only justifications for that opinion being objective is OTHER OPINIONS?

>wahhhhhhh the game is too hard for me
Kill yourself

Late forced promotions can really kill a unit

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>Hurr durr it must be a fetish even though I'm just pointing out an improvement in the in game models
Desperate as fuck

>implying he played monster hunter before world came out

>opinion
What opinion? It's objective fact. It's a bad game, nothing you say will change this

But user, Hector Hard Mode is way harder than anything six has to offer

Leave it, these people are fucking stupid. Now I see them unironically considering even MHGen a "true MH" game over World. If that isn't hypocritical as fuck, I don't know what is.

Nobody and I mean nobody brings up feet in an argument without being a footfag.

>echoescucks will defend this

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Pic not related?

What opinion? It's objective fact. It's a good game, nothing you say will change this

You are a retard. It's just an improvement of the models. Another thing the models in Fates did over Awakening is that the faces look more detailed.

>no u
Defend its flaws

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Imagine being dumb enough to believe this

Literally the same map as in Gaiden
which had shit maps mind you

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Adapting tactics must infuriate you.

And Gaiden was a shit game. Echoes was a shit remake of a shit game

Placing Alm in the middle of the map and watching everything die isn't adapting tactics.

Hector chads dab on the virgin Roy once again

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>Playing on normal
>Playing in full retard mode

I am of the objective opinion that awakening has 0 (that is right, ZERO) flaws, it is a 10000000000% perfect game. Every pixel is perfection.

That is just my opinion though! The funny thing is you can not invalidate my anecdotal and totally real opinion without invalidating your own anecdotal opinion. Isn't it funny how opinions are Subjective and not objective?

Awakening and Birthright are the best FE games.

*Blocks your opinion*

are you this guy only unironically?

I didn't record it, but I'd just do it again if I was at home. Mind you it wasn't like 3 minutes, my first go was something like 4'50 and my second 5'45. It didn't even feel like an achievement because the game is so piss easy. I can just turn off my brain and get what would have been speed run times in the old games.

OH NO NO NO NO NO

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Gen unironically has more in common with classic MH than World does.

>Grinding

You are retarded, makes sense for someone who thinks 7 is good. FE6's level design and gameplay structure is better and harder than 7 in everyway and using only the best objective. It succeeds at this by having a lot of variables in how one must approach that objective (map layouts, more powerful enemies, etc), whilst also littering it's maps with many relevant and useful sideobjectives (more on this later). Whilst FE7 has some okay maps, they're unfortunately also bundled in with a lot of boring Defence maps and Routs. The weakest maps in FE6 compare pretty favorably to the worst maps in 7, and there are a lot less of them. 6 also gives you far more unique and powerful items and weapons to utilise. You get legendary weapons as early as the Durandal in 8x, Brave Weapons and Reavers starting from 10, a Longbow and Physic from 7, Siege Magic from 16, and effective weapons like the Horsekiller or just bows in general have a lot more relevance because of triple MT compared to FE7's 2x Mt and wvyern spam. You get status staves starting from 10, Warp in 14, Hammerne in 15, Rescue in 16 and more statboosters to distribute. The problem is of course durability is a worthless mechanic but the saving grace unlike all the other games is you need to kept your legendary weapons at least and not waste them. Just compare the stats, the difference is insane.

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No all you are doing is showing off how much you love a objectively bad game

>implying it is not nuibaba's stage

>It's not grinding, it's grinding

The only Fire Emblem game Yea Forums actually likes is 7 despite all the bitching about waifus and difficulty.
The old games are slow and archaic, Awakening and Echoes are VNs, Shadow Dragon looks like shit, Sacred Stones and Echoes are their own beasts that are super different from traditional FE games, the Ike games are contradian memes.

No grinding, HM is a joke. Not even a efficiency run is a hard to due with how OP Alm, archers and merc and warp is unlike other games.

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>defends FE6
>uses three houses
Hmm...

>why does Yea Forums hate the worst game in the series in everything outside of a pretty coat of paint

>likes a bad game like 7
Checks out for a autistic retard, mental disabilities

>it was all three games stacked together
It was cheaper if you bought the other games in a pack or as dlc, multiple titles didn't magically give it that much of a boost, only collectors would have bought both versions.

>tfw FE12fag
>90% of Archanea fans are insufferable and whiny and can't stop being butthurt about Awakening and sometimes they are only lolifags that want to fuck Tiki

>Yea Forums actually likes is 7
Yikes!

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>worst game in the series
>Fates exists

Anything from 6 to 9 is good, although it might end up a little too easy since you might not be able to play on hard right of the bat. But normal can a little nasty sometimes too, especially when you still get used to everything and have a little bad luck with some of your units.

If you're posting here thinking you don't have autism, boy do I have news for you

>outside of a pretty coat of paint
user, Fates doesn't even have that much.

user Fates is three games

Yep, Echoes

>shit maps
>Magic not scaling with skill making the stats completely worthless on casters and the skill list for the characters is completely random. Magic takes off HP, which is a cool concept but HP pools are so bloated it doesn't even matter, and white mages also take off HP so you infinite heal off each other and just raise exp all day and staffs are infinite too so you can spam shit like warp and other OP spells all day
>AI makes decisions that make it seem like the AI is broken
>cantors are the worst gimmick ever created
>you get to use all the characters on the first time through and a lack of branching classes means that everyone always ends up the exact same. Combine that with very slow grinding and a number of very bad maps and replay value is extremely low for a FE game
>UI is a step backwards with the weird detailed forecast, no grouping the same items together, no mini map on the bottom screen during battles, dungeon map is poorly designed, and choosing aesthetics over information on the status screen, UI doesn't show Critical Hit rates, Dodge rates, and Avoid rates
>dread fighters are OP
>Armors are total garbage
>weapon skills are a nerf to damage because of a lack of double attack and only needing one point speed higher
>the absurd amount of food items you're given makes stamina meaningless, even if you don't want to hobble your ass to a Mila statue, which is easy as shit to do, you can just say fuck it and use up flours or bread until you get there
>Healers being broken as shit makes continuous health not matter, just have Genny invoke and psychic everyone while the enemies are battling the soldiers. especially pointless if you have Tatiana who can just fortify everyone at once
>every single map and placement of the enemies are the same for each enemy.
>there are almost zero incentives or rewards in dungeons other than clearing it for exp, stat fountains, or getting to a mila statue to promote someone

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>no resource management due to infinite durability and free marks and supplies given every, every force random encounter gives the player 100 marks
>game has no progression, with Killing Bows being the best weapon in the game and they are mid tier weapons promoting the player to not use higher tiers since they can't compete with it and do to the shit forging reduces weight/increase MT and hit for free rather than previous games where you have to make a choice with the gold you were using to increase three different factors
>pegs and mages don't get a 3rd promotion making their effectiveness drop heavy during the mid to late game and doesn't contribute much in the first place unless you are a bad player
>You still have to seek out a Mila's Servant to change your class, with no options to do so in towns
>archers are completely broken with things like trance shot and hunters volley, 5(?)-range doubling with bonus crit, can literally OHKO enemies from halfway a cross the map, there is a major skill imbalance in the game
>There are only two difficulty settings, Normal and Hard. All hard does is change enemy stats and levels but not by much, however this has the side-effect of giving player units slightly more experience than in Normal Mode, compared to games like FE7HHM with enemies having higher stats, differing inventories, and there are more of them. The composition of enemies can also vary greatly, requiring different strategies altogether to approach them. In many chapters, the number of deployment slots is reduced, giving the player fewer units to work with, and less gold in total. Or FE12 Lunatic with higher stats, maximum weapon levels, and enemies can have higher level weapons such as Silver Swords and Bolganone much earlier, different inventories and positions.

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Based. Why couldn't that piece of shit worst game in the series Echoes be close as good as FE12?

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>Or CQ Lunatic where enemies have identical stats to their Hard Mode but there are more of them, devious skill combinations, weapon loadouts, and placements. Late into the game, they will have dangerous enemy-exclusive skills such as Staff Savant and Inevitable End to requiring different tactics to take down altogether and approach them. More enemies are paired up and some have the option of moving. Certain reinforcement groups will have more triggers that can spawn them. Maximum weapon levels, Certain chapters also have fewer Dragon Veins to use, or have them in more difficult to reach locations. The AI will always attempt to perform Dual Attacks and will perform actions faster than on lower difficulties.

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Man, you are trying to force this meme hard, aren't you?

What meme? It's a bad game with one of the worst stories ever told in a game.

>with one of the worst stories
It isn't even the worst story in FE.

You don't have to be autistic to post on Yea Forums. Wish they have IQ tests to stop people like you from getting in here though

Yes it is, it's fucking garbage like the other 3ds games with shit characters.

No, it isn't.
I know you have a hate boner for it, but stop spouting actual bullshit.

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10 was actually the only map I actually liked, since it's actually pushing your shit in from all sides. The rest can be done with a few fronliners.

Im playing through the series right now and so far Echoes and Sacred Stones are my favorite of the bunch. Only played the English releases so far and haven't gotten around to Ikes games yet since they're fucking expensive..

I get why everyone hates them here but Fire Emblems always been this weird hybrid of jrpgs and srpgs, and those two games playing up the jrpg direction makes them a lot more interesting to me than the more vanilla games. I never found the series half as interesting as a pure strategy game as series' like Langrisser, FFT or Advance Wars so I'm into the quirkier ones. They're unbalanced and sometimes jank but also really novel and well presented.

>No, it isn't.
hahahahahahahah holy shit Echoescucks actually believe this
>I'm the main character and I met this qt 10 years ago and we hung out for like 2 weeks
>then she had to leave for 10 years but we promised we'd save ourselves and hook up in the future
>of course its a badly written jrpg so they both remained pure for 10 years not even thinking about another person because we pinky swore 10 years ago

>oh this commoner who is the grandson of a battlefield legend is being made the figurehead leader of our army to inspire the troops
>fuck that I'm defecting to the enemy army who immediately lets me just swap over and become second in command to their leader

>hey we bandits in allegiance with the empire, who haven't seen a girl in ages just captured a noblewoman who is also the sister of the enemy army's leader
>lets lock her in an unsupervised cell and not lay so much as a finger on her

>pirates are being really mean to people and its an established lore point that no one is willing to stand up to them
>I'm just a priestess with a couple personal friend bodyguards and a single hired merc
>lets have me and my close female friend charge head on into their stronghold, I don't even care what unspeakable things they'd do to us if we 4 couldn't overtake the pirate fortress (probably just lock them in a cage and not lay a finger on them if past events are an indication)
>good thing there happened to already be another 3-man army attacking the stronghold at exactly the same time, the same stronghold that they just indicated was impervious to attack because no one stood up to them

>we 2 pegasus sisters lost our 3rd sister, she was probably kidnapped by ruthless sex-starved blood-craving pirates
>she's been gone for several days please help
>okay sure we already killed one pirate king
>hey look she was safe in this cage untouched the whole time
Let's not forget everything about Alm the mary sue

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FE breeds shit taste retards like yourself doesn't it?

Hey look, it's one of those posts that cherrypicks a few parts of the story and overblows them to make them seem as bad as possible.

I'll take a game that's interesting but flawed over something as aggressively boring as 7

Not an argument

How is sales a good indicator for quality? If a game sells millions on release, the majority didn't buy it because they heard it was good, because there was fucking no one who could tell them.
>Inb4 reviewers
As in the ones who are either paid or won't give big titles bad reviews anyway, cause it'd be bad for their magazine.

And you like two bad games. Point?

Am I supposed to be happy that a franchise I liked was pulled out of the water just to be thrown into the mud immediately afterwards?

>can't counter it
lol. Just accept the story is a poorly written piece of shit, you won't since you can't think for yourself. The entire game is bad writing 101 since it's poorly executed. Alm preaches about how birth status doesnt matter and he's going to forge his own path as peasant boy who saved the continent yet none of this shit happens.
>Hey look it's a magic sword that only royalty can supposedly use. Try picking it up Tobin.
>Wow I can't lift it because it's too heavy, here Alm, you try.
>Wow I can lift this sword easily. I don't understand why you can't lift it Tobin. I sure do love being of common birth, haha.
Hell this isn't the extent of the problems with the plot. Echoes plot hinges on a ridiculous set of circumstances/coincidences. Wherein Alm placed from being thought of as a peasant into a leader by the one non-classist knight who just happens to be leading a rebellion (mind you this is one of the dumbest scenes written in a video game). A rebellion to oust the traitor in league woth Rigel and the rest of the knights with a force of peasants and militia. Apparently Rudolph knew when Alm was born. That a boy called Clive would grow up to be the one non-classist knight and lead a force that Alm can join that is capable of overturning the rest of the knights and invading Rigel. It goes further beyond this with how fucking retarded people like Clive are in the story.

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>Any FE game
>Not aggressively boring
the only good part about FE is finding something broken the retard devs didn't notice and then cheeseing through the game. Frankly that's not even that interesting because the answer is usually
>get unit with high speed and hit things more than once so they die instantly

Neither is demanding IQ tests to post on a Venezuelan sheep shearing image board, you autist.

Awakeningfags are really a retarded bunch.

>Just accept the story is a poorly written piece of shit
Fire Emblem the series in a nutshell.

Yes it is. It stops retards like you from posting here.

True, 3 and 4 are serviceable but that's it

>pic
that's some LISA shit right there

That will be Echoes. the worst game in the series. Cope harder

Sorry, but Fates still exists.

>implying you'd pass it

What FE games should i be playing then
I'm led to believe Conquest is the only good game in the series based on these threads but half the fanbase calls Fates the worst in the series. Everything else is just shitposted to death.

That's Assassins Creed fans too

Nope. Echoes will always be the worst game in the series. Cope harder and your next reply will be filled with tears

Why enter this thread if you have never played a single fire emblem game?

You use "actually" too much user

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6, 10 part 1, 11, 12 and 14C are the only good games in this shit series. Don't listen to FEfags you might get cancer just like them that affects their cognitive functions.

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Everywhere I go people suggest me to start from this, now I read it's the worst one. What the fuck is wrong with Fire Emblem and its fanbase? Even starting it is too hard because of the cancerous fanbase.

Nothing is easier than Awakening. You can just pair up Robin with Chrom and beat the whole game. Even in SS when you could SETH the whole way through you at least had to buy him weapons and be wary of horse killers.

>playing games in 2019
WHEN will they LEARN?

None of them, the series as a whole is bad and Three Houses is guaranteed to be a shitshow.

>If I keep quoting my pasta, maybe someone will finally read it
You seem desparate to brand one shit game as worse than another when both are a heaping pile of garbage.

...

Why enter this thread if you have never played a single fire emblem game and don't care for the series

Shiiiiit you're right.

Of course I would, you don't even have the ability to challenge me

Just throw a dart and play whatever you get.
Unfortunately the series is way too divisive with the fanbase. Doesn't help Fatesawakening and Heroes brought in a whole new set of cancer either.

If you weren't a lazy low IQ retard you would have finished two FE games by now instead of wasting all this time being indecisive as to where to start.

I didn't like 11 but enjoyed 15 and 8.

If those two are so hated among fans the rest of the series probably isn't for me anyway, and I can tell I wouldn't be welcome in the fandom. I'll drop it and stay away from these threads so I can stop being part of the cancer.

I bought it like 8 months after release and I still remember how giddy the gamestop employee was about the game and telling me I was in for a good time. I don't think I played a session for more than an hour before getting bored and got up to chapter 17 before I stopped playing the game for good.

What's the generally agreed upon pinnacle of this series? I'd be willing to give it another chance.

Holy shit taste. 11 is actual trpg and you think shitty VN's like 15 and 8 are good? Oh no no no no look at this dude

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You can still try the other games from before 11. Personally I liked all of the ones I played (6-10 and played a couple of chapters of 5, but dropped it for some reason although I plan to pick it up some day). Found Awakening and Fates to be garbage and Echoes a refreshing game after those two.

FE12

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>If those two are so hated among fans
Did you listen to him? He clearly said he's not a fan.

Reminder that Gaiden has everything shit about Awakening but much worse and doesn't have an excuse since they remade it and it was still shit, but grandpas will forgive it because it aligns with their agenda.

You're being baited. 11 is Shadow Dragon, unanimously considered the shittiest game in the series by the fans. It's comparable to someone telling you that Shadow the Hedgehog is the only good Sonic game.

7-9 are trash, Those games are so bad they play themselves

That's Echoes and Gaiden. Nice try Echoescuck

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Why FEA is worst? Cause you say that? Cause you didn't like it? Fuck you. Go away and play your GBA trash. Awakening one of the best FE ever made.

See how the Fatesfag seethes and lashes out

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>best game in a niche series that also brings it to the mainstream
Yes, yes it is. FE oldfags are acting the same way SMT oldfags did, give it a few years and they'll slowly die off.

bait

>can't counter it
Echoes is the worst game in the series confirmed. Only place that pretends to like it is /feg/ isn't that sad?

I't's honestly concerning how there's one autist pushing the same talking point every single FE thread. Price has nothing to do with how good the game is and each route has the same number of chapters as any other FE game.

But that's P3

1 - Shit
2 - Shit
3 - Meh
4 - Masterpiece
5 - Awesome
6 - Good
7 - Shit
8 - Shit
9 - Good
10 - Mistake
11 - Meh
12 - Meh
13 - Nice
14 - B: Shit, Q: Good, R: Meh
15 - Good

Fight me

yeah SMT fags have problems with Apoc but generally like IV and it isn't as divisive as the split Fire Emblem has between post and pre Awakening
They do get frustrated about Persona though and it's about as close as you're gonna get

Who would fight the mentally handicapped like yourself?

>I't's honestly concerning how there's one autist pushing the same talking point every single FE thread.
I honestly don't know why anybody is replying to him when half his posts are
>oh nonono
>cuck
>autist
>retard
And I don't even necessarily disagree with him

Only mentally handicapped like you. And you already do it.

>no u
Christ it wasn't even good retort, what a pathetic subhuman incel.

Reminder to not reply to shitposters. This thread is already done so let his reply to me be the last.

Not any of them but you already embarrassed yourself when you claimed that Future Past was Lucina's timeline.

Also Morgan has some memories they mention as much in multiple supports.

Out of games I played:
>Shadow Dragon - was the first one I played, I liked it but it's probably not perfect
>New Mystery - liked it better than Shadow Dragon
>Awakening - pretty cool, got too easy by the end with OP as shit kids
>Conquest - story was retarded but maps and balance were the best in the series IMO
>Sacred Stones - I liked the characters the best out of all FE games I know but it was braindead easy all the way through.
>Path of Radiance - pretty cool, probably the best setting in all the games
>Echoes - absolute fucking cancer gameplay overshadows all the good values the game has
Which one should I get to next? Considering Radiant Dawn or Hector's game.

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Play Radiant Dawn since it's a direct sequel

N-no it's totally a Pokémon situation where the games are almost identical with minor changes, it makes total sense to combine their sales numbers

Same shit different timeline. Still doesn't excuse the bad writing.
>Morgan has some memories they mention as much in multiple supports
Show me. Point it out. The game makes it very clear they have lost most of their memory and cannot remember anything else aside from their memories of the Avatar. In the paralouge, Morgan doesn't remember Lucina at all.

when will you fags admit advance wars is better in everyway

No, it's not.
Their father support and they never really claim to lose all of their memories. They also remember growing up with the other 2nd generation children. But things pretaining to certain things they don't remember.

And since you love using DLC so much, Owain points out that it might be the result of a curse or spell.

It is, yet AW is a TBT

Yes it is. You still can't counter it.
>Their father support and they never really claim to lose all of their memories
In the Paralogue they very much do. Which children do they remember growing up together? Morgan doesn't remember or recall anything. Saying he doesn't remember Lucina at all then suddenly just begins talking to her about a bunch of stuff together doesn't add up. It's terrible writing.

>4 - Masterpiece
>5 - Awesome

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The first FE game i played was Fates and it turned me off on the series completely but i ended up loving Awakening.

that's not echoes

Awakening was good you fags

>people ITT actually rate fates as one game
It's honestly a huge disservice for CQ tobe rated with the cancerpile that is revelations
>inb4 hurrdurr same mechanics
I guess FE6 and FE7 are the same fucking game

Sorry for your mental illness

>awakening worse than revelation and gaiden/echoes

Because not everyone is a grandpa who hates anything new.
I got into the series with Fates/Awakening, and I fucking loved them both, two of my favorite games.

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Conquest Lunatic settings, no use of the DLC content
Thracia 776, although this is a side story to another one, Genealogy of the holy war, so you might get spoiled along the way
Shadow Dragon DS Maniac
Radiant Dawn Lunatic

this, awakening at least was a fun eugenics simulator, tho rev has childs too but they suck and echoes is just plain trash

I got into the series with GBA games but I love Path of Radiance more.
I hate Awakening because it's just bad.
Bad designed maps, broken game balance and terrible story don't have to do with new or old.

I like Awakening because it's just good.

out of my board zoomer

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No, Fates Conquest is my favorite game of all times and I'm here to stay.

>10 years later
>people are still mad the series got saved

If people hate Awakening so much just pretend it never happened and that the series died.

Sacred Stones' difficulty is actually pretty decent if you play on hard with no grinding at all.

>old good new bad
Thank fuck IS doesn't pander to you fucks anymore.

Awakening isn't even close to being the worst, it's pretty mid tier all things considered. 1, 2, 4, 7, 10, Birthright, and Revelations were all worse.

Fire Emblem was never good. As a TRPG it's mechanically barren, easy and, lacking in an semblance depth. As a waifu game it's lacking in competent writing, character depth and, progression.

The series is shite. Deal with it, FEkeks. The only reason it still exists is because Nintendo insists on keeping it alive for whatever reason.

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So like 8 hours ago was it just one guy autistically samefagging?

they have just made the game more fun for masses. it's bad in your book but more fun for people who aren't fat neckbearded virgins. it's a bigger crowd that's easier to please and in the event they don't like something they'll just not buy it and maybe make a weak meme out of it. "hardCORE fans" will bitch about it years later, like you 7 years after release of awakening, and send death threats and voodoo curses to developers just because a fucking VIDEO GAME is not to your taste

>10
even with unit availability and balance issues it's still way better

How do I know you're a woman?
You deride the fanbase as fat neckbearded virgins, you "predict" death threats like the funny man on TV says incels are doing and that incelhood should be outlawed, and you speak in all lowercase. Your entire argument is based on name-calling and shaming. You cannot change the fact that nuFE is an absolute disaster and will only get worse.

Awakening is great and saved this dumpster fire of a series.

Megaman battle network

Etrian Odyssey

Awakening saved the series, has a great cast of characters, soundtrack and replayability.

It's fine if you don't enjoy it, but it was successful for good reason.

can send you a dicpic if you want
>You cannot change the fact that nuFE is an absolute disaster and will only get worse.
still just an opinion of a frustrated manchild
also there's a lot better strategic games than fire emblem. go play xcom: ufo defense and you will forget about fire emblem in a blink.

You mean the chosen one that can turn into a dragon and is from a secret kingdom and has chainsaw sword isn't treated as cool?

FPBP
Fates remains the worst in the series.

that's why it is the worst

>>Animations that don't look awkward but instead stylish and cool
>Fates

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it was surprisingly fun and refreshing, delet

FE has by far the worst fanbase I've ever seen.

I liked Awakening, though.

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>first MH with good graphics
What did he mean by this

But 2 isn't the best selling in the series.

I legit dont understand why people have this hateboner for Awakening, Gaiden/Echoes is a fucking chore to play and its only forte is that it looks somewhat pretty, conquest is fucking wanked for having 2 or 3 decent maps in a list of gimmicky ones

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You argued about how Severa shouldn't exist because Cordelia died. I was under the impression that the future children weren't time travelling, they were dimension hopping. There are differences between dimensions. If we're going by DLC then an example of this is Yen'fay as in another timeline Say'ri died instead of him. Meaning that Future Severa wouldn't stop existing because the mother in her dimension didn't die and that's how she still exists. The Severa of your timeline would never exist though.

You aren't even trying to have an argument

Gimmicks aren’t inherently bad

>Fire Emblem has Yea Forums ABSOLUTELY INCOMPREHENSIBLY SEETHING again
HA HA HA HA HA I love seeing losers angry over nothing.
Most Fire Emblem games are good, with some dumb decisions here and there.

Because it's extremely boring, maps are shit, story is shit and characters are shit.

>It's another gimmicks are le bad meme
>Deflecting to Echoes when Echoes has more interesting lore, story and music

I played Awakening and really liked it. I tried some of the GBA games people love but found them pretty boring. Fates was shit too, dropped the series.

>I hate FE X
>Fans of FE X come to defend it like moths to a flame
>"FE Y was shit tho because of the same reasons!"
>FE Y fans come to argue
>Neverending cycle
>This happens every time this franchise is mentioned

Fire Emblem discussions are the gift that keeps on giving.

>You CAN just pair up Robin with Chrom and beat the whole game
And? Name one Awakeningfag that actually did this, just one. Doing that implies benching your whole army unless you want them dead, do you not realize how fucking retarded this "argument" is? Nobody that actually wanted to have fun did that.

>Having fun with Awakening's gameplay in the first place

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Not an argument.

Fucking where is my Advance Wars for the 3ds

That's Echoes and will always

>because it's just good.
Seen by this thread, it isn't lol

>Serenesfag trying to shill Conquest for the 10^4 time in a row
Imagine being obsessed with a fraction of a game and trying to justify it by shitting on every other game.

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Bait. The enemy have stats nsanely low and units like Franz, Seth, Vanessa, etc but in stupid amounts of work. It's consider one of the easiest for a reason

t. butthurt Awakeningfag still butthurt that his shitty game has been BTFO

Ironic weebs need to be gassed

Awakening was my first and is my favorite. It made me go back and play old ones as well. Nothing comes close. Fates was ass.

blazing > holy war > awakening > path of radiance > binding > radiant dawn > sacred stones > mystery > echoes > thracia > shadow dragon > fates

awakening DLC put it in the top 3. I'm a nostalgiafag

When you have samurais actually draw and sheathe their sword, a lot of the classes and even genders have unique animations and ninjas disappearing and reappearing for their attacks then yes.

why is marth retreating while the rest of the army charges?

The past ingame is completely completely linear with the future they all came from. They go through time not dimensions. Baby Lucina is stated to become THE exact Lucina that is currently present.

How about we make the perfect Fire Emblem game. I'll start.

4's maps

They fucked up when they didn't include Anna.

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It probably is, I'm just saying it's not as easy as people make it out to be. My last Franz just failed in every regard and became a Roy like unit with shit stats.

Oh look, another ironic weeb who need a to be gassed. Get over it, it's a bad game

Radiant Dawn unit balancing
Awakening difficulty balancing

If that's the dumbest post you've ever seen on Yea Forums, you must not come here often.

Persona, but 5 was still pretty good

>actually getting aggressive over obvious bait
You need to go outside user. All this shitposting is rotting your brain.

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Based

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Yes. But wouldn’t enjoying Fates characters make you the ironic weeb though?

Worst taste than that incel above, congrats

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Liking bad games like Awakening makes you a ironic weeb. You cancerous waifufags need to be shot on sight and placed with your head on a pike

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You really need new material.

Ssshhhh, let him seethe.

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>Awakening worst
you must be new to fire emblem

Franz can't be bad, he's a Cav and comes with all the perks of it in a game like Fe8 where nothing you do matters.

When Awakeningfags aka ironic weebs who spout muh waifu all day about their poorly written anime gimmick tropes commit mass suicide first by putting a bullet though their brain then we can have nice things.

That’s blatantly not true since you have shit like chrom’s injury and certain children units(two off the top of my head are robin!owain and Morgan in general).

if you been in /feg/ you'll realize that fate faggots are more waifufags than anything

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>hurr durr buzzwords buzzwords hurr durr
Oof

Actual true ranking
Conquest>New Mystery>Radiant Dawn>Binding Blade>Thracia>Shadow Dragon>Blazing Sword>Path of Radiance>Genealogy>Sacred Stones>Birthrght>Echoes>Awakening>Revelations

Only Morgan came though a different timeline. What's about Robin and Owain?

This is a list only newfags will agree with

This is a FE thread, you aren't supposed to have taste and like only bad games

>Franz can't be bad
That's what you'd think.

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Not at all, who knows because the mentally disabled go to that cancerous shit hole

imagine being this reddit

There's not a single buzzword there retard. The game and characters are bad

Half of reddit literally hates Conquest, barely brings up Marth's games and thinks Awakening is better than Fates, so no.

Whatever you say, braindead redditor.

Bruh promote him already. That isn't even bad, with the higher con and extra speed he can double a lot but mercs

Bump limit. Post waifus.

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>waifus
Ironic weebs need to burn

I fucking hate this smugg attitude.
Obviously awakening kinda easy and shallow and the maps fucking suck.
But obviously it had a wide appeal and one of the lowest barriers of entry to thr trpg genre.
Also lets not act like other fe games are tactical rpg master pieces.
Stop asking these nigger questions.

Got an issue with that?

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Not a single human being has successfully defend Awakening. Isn't that sad?

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Finally

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>Also lets not act like other fe games are tactical rpg master pieces.
Most other FE games have leagues better gameplay than Awakening to point of actually being fun, so what's your point?

How come there's barely any lewds of Ephraim giving her Siegmund?

Is Fire Emblem your first TRPG, piratefag?

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Don't post such a good girl you faggot ironic weeb.

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Tiddie ninjas are fine too

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Its a good series but by no means a perfect trpg.
Awakening has some flaws but by all means it didnt commit the cardinal sin of ruining the franchise.
Also thanks to awakenings success nintendo is making new fe games.
Easy less punishing games have wide appeal. They needed to sell the games to the masses.
For what they intended, it could have made a worse pandering shitfest.

>waifu is a meme thot
why even love the popular ones, you basic niggers

>Subsequent game (Conquest) has difficulty scaling that can welcome casuals at its easiest difficulty while also still offering a challenge to more hardcore players with its hardest difficulty
Literally inexcusable.

I liked Camilla before finding out she was popular.

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Yes, he might even be able to hit something with 11 skill. That Franz is basically an FE6 unit with some res in FE8, he's not good

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