Metroidvania

An Untitled Story should be on great.
Also where's Pirate's Curse and why isn't it on great as well?

>Timespinner
>Good
Timespinner is fucking trash as a Metroidvania. There's hardly any exploration and too many trash fucking weapons. The ONE time a weapon can be used for exploration is just the fire orbs and to go into ONE area. This isn't even getting into the lackluster writing, or how they introduce concepts like the dream creatures and demons but they're half-assed because most of the writing went into the LGBT side characters. Speaking of which, those side characters all give side quests but there's no reason to actually complete them, the accessory you get for it is WORSE than what you can get from the raven merchant. The true end is also stupid because it's all about the dream creatures that aren't given any spotlight except for the final boss. The only good ending is beating the actual antagonist in the current timeline.

SOTN doesn't hold up, no idea what that other one is, Super Metroid's still good today.

>doesn't hold up
what does this mean?

It barely qualifies as a Metroidvania. Mostly just an action platformer.

I mean in the context of newer games that followed it, it looks like a dumpster fire. It was incredible at the time it came out.

For a better idea what I mean watch this youtu.be/NMQOtD7WKhg

Basically it starts off pretty hard, gets easy, gets easier, then becomes a cakewalk. There's whole massive sections of the castle with nothing worthwhile to find, tons of wasted opportunities for cool stuff. There's no good reason to explore besides wanting to complete the map. Later metroidvanias tightened up the map design a lot so there's not so much of that. See Order of Ecclesia for example, or Super Metroid.

0, let this sotn meme end, its level design is mediocre as shit. It's a mid tier metroidvania

What? SoTN completely overshadows all the other vania games that came out on handhelds. They're not bad but Symphony has better level design, weapons, enemies and bosses. It's where the series peaked.

Fuck off with your shitty gifs

I'd add Return of Samus in the good tier.

it's hard to justify a game that 90% of players will never complete and 90% of those that do complete it are guide using faggots as being in the holy trinity of anything
la mulana is like high art, beautiful and influential but not meant for you to touch

>it starts off pretty hard, gets easy, gets easier, then becomes a cakewalk.
This is true for every single Metroid game in that style, yet they are all loved. SOTN still has the best music and castle layout (of the Castlevania games in that style). I'd also argue that SOTN is the best looking metroidvania game too.
I have never once played a Metroidvania expecting a serious challenge. Metroid is specifically enjoyable because you feel like a God towards the end of the game and it feels satisfying to play.

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>that obvious omission of Samus Returns
expert bait

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Replace SotN with metroid prime and the top 3 are right

>Cave Story that low

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Does Cave Story not qualify as a Metroidvania?

Tell me why this isn't a "Metroidvania"

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>the nightmare before christmas

???

Because it's actually an open world platformer.

>No power ups to your character
>Has all the movesets(Climbing, throwing spears) from the get go
>Focused on exploration but you can go anywhere at any time

I'd argue "Metroidvania" is more about non-linear exploration platforming.
And knowledge is your power-up, you learn more about the world and it's creatures as you play - and how you can interact with those creatures can become your power ups.
Rain World breaks all the rules which is why it's the most important "Metroidvania" game in recent years imo

So it doesn't have the single most important defining trait of metroidvanias, so it isn't a metroidvania

That's cool and all and I played through RW figuring out all the little autistic mechanics it had but I want actual power-ups in my metroidvania.

I've been asking you for years to add the Spider-Man DS games and you fucking add Time Spinner?

Pirate Curse isn't a Metroidvania. The stages are linear as hell.

>Metroid in "meh"
>ZM in "great"
????

>Better physics
>Better graphics
>Better power ups
>Better storytelling
Yep

hollow knight sucks

>Hollow Knight is the peak of the genre and it's not even close
cant believe this is what Yea Forums has become
i implore you to kill yourself reddit tard

>Too much of a literal brainlet for La Mulana
Typical bugfag.

>doesn't elaborate what he dislikes about the game, instead goes directly to le reddit boogeyman
I bet you can't even. You're just a typical contrarian faggot. Hollow Knight really is the peak of the genre. Also, only redditors obsess over reddit.

Flash games with a three tone color pallete not welcome. Garbage OSTs not welcome.

>Ori that low
mind explaining to me what you're doing here?

Not very, monster boy has released.

>momodera

>great

>this insistent on keeping terraria on this fucking list
jesus christ mate let it go

No Castlevania should be above good tier

>SoTN completely overshadows all the other vania games that came out on handhelds.

No it doesn't. Is the worst igavania by far.

leave la mulana up top, move everything else to boring unplayable shit for toddlers that should not be discussed on Yea Forums tier

Not bad, but I don't think SotN deserves to be at the top with how poorly-balanced it is.

Wheres Terraria?