Micaiah appreciation thread.
Micaiah appreciation thread
Juan Torres
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Colton Green
Post this retarded Mary Sue's feet
Jonathan Morales
Post more.
Lincoln Turner
Here is the only good image of them I could find. Anti-pantyhosefags be damned.
Levi Kelly
She's very cute.
Jaxon Cruz
OP doesn't seem appreciative at all. It's just a vague suggestion to post porn.
Adam Gomez
Based and safe for work
Dylan Scott
and that's a good thing
Adrian Morales
How is she a Mary Sue?
Brandon Barnes
>micaiah appreciation thread
>posts picture of micaiah with false proportions that are disingenuous to her
this is very UNappreciative of Micaiah user
Aaron Edwards
She isn't. She's deeply flawed and mentally ill. Here sister's more of a Mary Sue.
Easton White
stinky tits
Justin Smith
Not a lot of appreciation, lads.
Camden Morgan
Is Ike a mary sue? Or whatever the male version of that is. Hell I've forgotten the definition of a mary sue as time goes on, its come to be just any character who's really strong or people don't like.
Nicholas Adams
Like fish?
Brandon Rogers
It's more about a character who is basically God-like and can do no wrong. A character whose plot moves forward with convenient contrivances that make them seem unbelievable.
>Minor character: "Oh no, our ship's sinking and we're stuck in the middle of the ocean."
>Mary Sue: "Lol, it turns out I can swim... and breathe underwater... and fly."
"Minor character: "Wow, that's so convenient for this situation. We'd have all perished had you no learned those superpowers just then."
Elijah Turner
She's not really a Mary Sue. I'd say the only real Mary Sue in FE is Kris.
Micaiah is more like somebody's fanfiction character inserted into the game, what with the way her existence shits on a lot of the lore from PoR.
Juan James
I don't appreciate the mentally handicapped.
Josiah Jackson
She looks so cute and vulnerable there, what with the Big Black Knight looming over her.
Robert Perry
Who?
Parker Gonzalez
I appreciation Miccy's armpits all right
Oliver Miller
Micaiah on the front page!
Benjamin Ramirez
a bit of a semi-pleasant funky smell but not too musky
Cameron Green
Jack Ward
My wife!
Jacob Gutierrez
Pirating Micaiah's game!
Playing Micaiah's game before path of radiance!
Ranking Micaiah's game in SSS tier without even playing it!
Julian Young
You mean my wife
Nolan Evans
Based
Matthew Wright
Managed to get 5* Summers Dawn and Priestess of Dawn. Are there any other Micaiah's on FEH?
Lincoln Turner
I don't really appreciate Micaiah. She's kinda cute I guess, I'd probably fuck her and then never see her again.
Austin Peterson
Brave soon
Leo Ortiz
Her brave whenever that is
Adam Gomez
I want to slide my hands underneath her clothes and caress her chest whilst she is all flustered.
Alexander Green
>one rounded by generic myrms
No
Nicholas Rodriguez
Hopefully soon. Got 200 orbs burning a hole in my digital wallet.
Luis Thomas
>FEHfaggots falling in love with this histrionic, obnoxious child groomer
remind me again why mobage isnt the worst thing ever
James Turner
Gabriel Flores
I don't like Micaiah, I think she is dumb.
Lincoln Rogers
>wahhhhh she isn't OP
Matthew Clark
Miccy is for marriage
Eli Murphy
She is a war criminal and sexual predator. There is nothing to appreciate and she should be locked up for her crimes.
Juan Ward
Hold on...
Is F!Robin just Micaiah 2?
Henry Bailey
I've always liked Micaiah, though. I came across this picture before Radiant Dawn was even released in the west. I've always treasured it.
Brandon Wright
Where is this meme that people only like X character because of FEH coming from. That only applies to the SNES game for being jp only
Hunter Walker
quite right
Joseph Allen
Does she necessarily need the tights?
Jacob Ward
Of course
Ryder Clark
she’s just not good. Not bad, just ok
Ayden Perry
Micaiah's reaction Alder's death is what sets her apart from Unga Bunga Kill them all Ike.
It's the fact that Micaiah knows that Jarod was a horrible person, but at the end of the day he's just following orders and he's just doing his duty and wasn't total scum like the politicians in the Bengion Senate.
>General Jarod was a scoundrel and a fiend, but at least he had a soldier’s honesty in his villainy.
Grayson Morales
Don't tell me you can't read JP?
Parker Allen
That's a good thing. Lords should be support
Ryder Carter
The tights make my dick harder.
Gavin Howard
Lincoln Thomas
Ian Reyes
I wanna marry and impregnate Micaiah.
Joshua Campbell
Eh still better than console war/Oh no n no/tweetposting/bait faggotry
Joseph Price
She's my wife, only I'm supposed to do that
Carter Turner
leif is a cooler support lord
Noah Long
Best girl
Hudson Hill
He's okay
Noah Brown
She has no nipples, wtf.
Nolan Hall
They're very perky. Nipples are there - trust me.
Leo Long
Daniel Thompson
The cutest
Angel Moore
this is now a lyn thread
Leo Campbell
No
Jason Hill
Radiant Yawn.
Jaxson Gonzalez
Baby got back
Mason Jenkins
Brayden Ortiz
Mary Sue is a term born from a literal character called "Mary Sue", who was a character added into a Star Trek fanfiction. It's been a minute, but I think the story in question was a parody, but I forget. Anyway, doesn't matter, there are four core principles of a Mary Sue.
First, and the one that is generally seen as pretty optional, as it highly limits how useful the term is, is how blatantly a character is a self-insert. Pretty self explanatory.
Second, is how unique, and special a character is. The easiest example, portrayed by Mary Sue, is relationship to preexisting or important characters. I think Mary Sue was Spock's long lost daughter something. The point is, there's something inherent in the character that places relevance upon them without the effort of actually working out how a character could come to be relevant through the events of the story.
Third is love. Everyone loved Mary Sue as the best of them, despite having met her only a few days ago. The characters and world come to love a Mary Sue unconditionally beyond what the events of the story actually support, and those who don't are portrayed as being flawed for not doing so.
Fourth, is success. A Mary Sue isn't always the best of the best, but a Mary Sue is accomplished well outside their context. Mary Sue was a new Ensign, but was as good at Engineering as Scotty, as good at leadership as Kirk, and so on. Even the failures of a Mary Sue are never their fault, only the example of an impossible situation.
Most video game characters have big dash of two of these, Ike for example is both liked by everyone and extremely accomplished. The mitigating factor is that these are born out of the events of the story. Ike isn't unique or special, his father was a really good swordsman and got caught up in events larger than himself, which eventually pulled Ike in. The rest is all borne out of the events of an entire game's plot.
Angel Ortiz
Why Michaiah is so often seen as a Mary Sue is how hard she leans into the second factor. She has a fucking laundry list of things that make her special and unique just because of who she is:
>In a world of rainbow coloured anime hairs of all variety, people still can't stop cumming over how special and unique her silver hair is
>She can heal people like the Jesus, despite healing magic totally being a thing, but people are in awe of it anyway
>She's the Empress's long lost sister, and true heir to Begnion
>She's born the prophet of a literal God
>She's not just a super rare and special hybrid that lives super long and gets the MEANEST kind of fantasy racism, she's the EXTRA super rare and special hybrid of Heron ancestor
>Who is also the final boss of the game
Most characters who have destiny and magic pouring out from every orifice get around this by starting out their stories as woefully weak and incompetent, to offset how much the story seems to revolve around them. The world may be in their pocket, but they need to overcome themselves. They don't undermine the structure of the story. Micaiah doesn't really have that. She goes through VERY little character growth (a big problem in FE11), she starts totally resolute in the freeing of Daien, and while the story seems to swing towards "maybe that's too much", it never actually reaches it, and she remains vindicated in her actions and unchanged in her character.
Combine this with how short Act 1, and how it's still meant to make her a mirror of Ike who had about 4x as much game to get to being the big hero who everyone wants to give a handy to, and becomes easy to see why Micaiah comes across as feeling like a Mary Sue.
tl;dr Ike is kind of a Mary Sue, but Micaiah is more obviously kind of one
Isaiah Bell
Ethan Walker
Thanks for the explanation user, that was oddly detailed.
Luis Edwards
Where would Robin fall on this spectrum?
They were basically selectively bred to be the fell dragon’s successor but it’s not like that was a particularly good thing though.
Sebastian Rivera
Ike is the living definition of a mary sue
Daniel Flores
Ryder Jones
Not the guy that typed this out but why would even bother posting that after his entire post.
You didn’t anything to the conversation, he admired Ike showed decent Mary Sue traits but what now, you don’t add anything to this. Why even fucking post
Carter Watson
*admitted Ike showed
Fuck
Eli Collins
Because he's wrong. Ike isn't some nobody, he's the son of a legendary mercenary Greil with an equally legendary fighting style. Greil/Gawain before leaving Daein was essentially in a position that was essentially 2nd to the king and married a noble from that country. So renown as both Gawain and Greil even after changing his identity he's has friends and is well known by various Kings of Tellius. So much so far that immediately after Greil's death the King of Gallia personally shows up to protect Ike.
Ike's he gets handed down such strong allies from the get-go that he has it easier than most of the royal Fire Emblem protagonists.
Blake Rogers
Yeah, I think it coming only near the very end of the story, and only really being a problem for all but the literal final moment, more or less mitigates any issues it presents his character. Despite being a much beloved self-insert, he's not shown as horrendously competent, only really contributing twice that I can think of, and many times gets outmaneuvered, leaving only two of the four elements of a Mary Sue.
There's no shortage of problems with the writing in Awakening, but I don't think that's one.
Adrian Thompson
See this is actual discussion you could have posted.
Good job user, you make valid points about Ike’s lineage
Christian Moore
Worst girl
Jackson Lewis
Micaiah or Peri?
Eli Fisher
I agree, Peri is fucking awful
Aaron Reyes
Is Corrin a Mary Sue?
Anthony Morales
Corrin is the cutest mary sue ever!
Levi Reyes
Op obviously. Peri's the exact opposite.
Thomas Morris
No, too flawed and mentally ill
Justin Morales
What about male Corrin?
Lucas Parker
Yes but only because the world bends over backwards to make them right and just at every turn. Their actions are retarded and inconsistent but it turns out they are the best ones in the end.
Jack Garcia
Cuter than female desu
Asher Gray
Hey sounds like Ike!
Blake Murphy
>2nd to the King
He wasn't even in the line of succession. Ashnard made something more of a meritocracy during his rule, but even then his lineage was still expected to succeed him. Greil was one of four top generals, but most characters outside of Daien wouldn't even know the name "Gawain". Caneighis was the only royal who knew him outside of Ashnard, and secretly Seraphim.
>married a noble from that country
She was just a shrine maiden.
>Ike's he gets handed down such strong allies from the get-go that he has it easier than most of the royal Fire Emblem protagonists.
Gameplay wise, yes, but lore wise commanding a small, unremarkable mercenary troop (with several deserters) is hardly comparable to the small armies that most other lords are supposed to start with (or at least band of retainers).
Everything that actually compels Ike forward is his interactions with Elincia, and the choices he makes in dealing with that situation. His swordsmanship is seen as competent but weak until his experiences flesh out his skill, his leadership is deeply flawed and his followers aren't unconditional. A singular example of a King showing up to help solve a problem that was born from his father in the first place, does not a pattern make.
Sebastian Perry
Ew, no.
Jack Brooks
Marth is basically the only non Mary Sue protag in Fire Emblem and goes two steps from a homeless dude with a ragtag group to the god-king of a continent over the span of two games. Even then, Marth never ceases to take an opportunity to shit on himself. You could argue Caeda's inexplicable fascination with him is Mary Sue-like, but Caeda's kind of fucking insane
Isaiah Rodriguez
Evan Roberts
Yeah but Ike doesn’t do anything explicitly as retarded as Corrin
Adam Lewis
Charles Green
Path of Radiance was the last time Fire Emblem had dignity.
Owen Miller
Is mia just popular since she’s a sword girl?
She does nothing for both PoR and RD
Connor Anderson
At least it makes more sense than Nephenee.
Owen Sanders
He really isn't. He's capable, talented, and starts his journey with resources at his disposal but has a tangible arc and still has to earn the right to be the big dick motherfucker he is during RD. Having a high powerlevel doesn't immediately make someone a mary sue. Mary Sue is such a fucking overused term in general, TVtropes faggots fucking ruined pop culture discourse forever. The only truly Sueish characters in FE are Kris and Corrin, even Micaiah mostly just suffers as a result of RD's poor pacing and lack of personal character development as a result of being fucking unfinished.
Easton Carter
10,11,12 and 15 exist tho.
Camden Robinson
>playable soldier
>shy country girl who doesn't speak to hide her accent
>pretty art
Dominic Fisher
Sword Girl, fun personality, implied to want to fuck the MC.
Adam Allen
>took 10 games for soldiers to become playable
>after the Tellius games they go back to being enemy only
I hate this
Aaron Nguyen
Is there a better sexy aesthetic than bikini with tactical belts? I'm not sure there is?
Nathan Phillips
*2
Lukas is one, retard.
Sebastian Lewis
Brandon Smith
It's hard to find a role for them. They only really worked in Tellius because the Mercenary class was removed, and that shift fucking ruined obliterated the balance of the weapon triangle since almost every class used Spears.
Christian Collins
go back to bed Sothe
Nathaniel Kelly
>Lesbian in Radiant Dawn.
Mason Butler
she's actually pretty shitty in PoR
Trueblades and Greil Mercs are monsters in RD though
Levi Young
>Mary Sue is such a fucking overused term in general, TVtropes faggots fucking ruined pop culture discourse forever.
The actual definition TVtropes uses for Mary Sue is pretty spot on, as it states and clarifies it's mostly a fanfiction term.
Angel Young
Brayden Gray
Dylan Sanchez
Parker Gomez
Why are Tellius games so expensive?
Jason Miller
Because they have the combination of not selling well and being positively received. Therefore making them desirable for collectors.
Brody Scott
while this is still the subject if i had to rate each lord/self insert by how sueish they are it'd be like...
Corrin>Kris>Robin>Ike>Ephraim>Micaiah>Alm(echos)>most of the other lords here>Celica> >Sigurd.
in all honesty only corrin and kris really fall under this term, Robin has his own issues and mostly falls into the sue catagory because he's still a self insert and by the end of the day, sue's are very self insert. Ephraim does have a character arc but outside of one chapter the story and writing sucks his dick alot, more so when you compare how much the story shits on Eirika. Alm didn't have much of a character in Gaiden but Echos makes him abit perfect in regards of how the story handles him.
Parker Green
>Micaiah is more like somebody's fanfiction character inserted into the game, what with the way her existence shits on a lot of the lore from PoR.
That’s pretty characteristic of Mary Sues though, but I guess it doesn’t make one alone.
Eli Perry
>Ephraim more of a Sue than fucking MICAIAH
go fuck yourself
Owen Reed
Lincoln Lee
Are PoR and RD emulatable?
Caleb Hughes
RD is easily
I was able to do it on a shit laptop in the 2012
ironically I think it's hard to get on a hacked wii
Evan Ramirez
yes
Lucas Sanders
Do you know what a Mary Sue is?
Michael Edwards
Corrin is ugly cute but I would fuck her in the ass
Josiah Bennett
Yeah
Completed both of them on Dolphin
William Robinson
Dolphin was built around RD
Cooper Gomez
wat
Jeremiah Ortiz
>tfw had both as a young lad
>never finished either one and sold to GameStop
Is PoR just as easy to emulate? Doing it on my PC
Mason Torres
My hacked Wii plays RD fine but can't get past the tutorial of PoR.
Thomas Wilson
Charles Martin
Yes, Dolphin is very easy to use.
Austin Miller
as said, he's not really a sue, as only kris and corrin are those, but i'm not seeing an argument from you that Ephraim's sheer perfection in how other characters view him (Innes, his sister, Lyon), his feats in the story (somehow fending off an entire army, taking over a castle, and managing to escape Valter, all with 4 men), and the story treating Eirika like an Idiot for trusting Lyon while allowing forgiving Ephraim for doing the same.
do you know how to read? i said only really corrin and kris are sues
have my own reaction image to reply to yours
Luke Walker
The site/wiki isn't necessarily the problem, it's the children who offhandedly parrot terms they learn there at any opportunity but don't quite understand them, see
Julian Gonzalez
Oh ok gotcha. Never used Dolphin but I'll figure it out
Joshua Richardson
Robert Cooper
>Can seize a castle with 2 man in Eirika's story
>Not the biggest example of Mary Sue
Julian Turner
Remember when you had to go out of your way to find hidden characters?
Benjamin Wood
where are the lewds
i require more
Charles Thompson
I couldn't get it to the work and fit on a sd card
didn't try THAT hard though
Aiden Martinez
It seems like your entire list revolves around you not wanting to admit Micaiah is a Mary Sue.
Henry Diaz
alright how is she a sue when the narrative of the story has her get her shit pushed in and stepped on by ike? she has sue like traits but i can't say the narrative treats her like one even in part 1, let alone part 3.
Joseph Edwards
Corrin can't be Sue. He was never inserted into the story. The problem of everyone dicksucking him is completely different.
The only character that can be a Mary Sue is Kris because he was inserted afterwards into the story as a self insert for the player, and even then he still isn't a Mary Sue because he doesn't change the dynamic of the original story nor he makes characters behave in ways unintended.
Jaxon Perez
So you don't know what a Mary Sue is. Okay then.
Lucas Nelson
>he doesn't change the dynamic of the original story nor he makes characters behave in ways unintended
he does both of these things
Nathaniel Gray
>He was never inserted into the story
He literally is the answer to a conflict between the Norhians and Hoshidans and whatever side he chooses wins
Evan Sanders
Jonathan Butler
cool non argument bro, either elaborate on why you think how you do or keep shitposting.
James Collins
Was sothe cool?
Sebastian Turner
>He
She*
Isaiah Mitchell
Jose Roberts
it's pretty top tier, good taste
Nathaniel Foster
Pelleas is the only good character introduced in Radiant Dawn.
Elijah Richardson
He really doesn't, because characters in FE3 had pretty much no behavior other than their recruitment lines and the pre-battle and post-battle. The only character that may have changed is Jeigan who gave gameplay advice in FE3 to Marth now gives gameplay advise Kris because Jeigan is really just talking to the player.
But that's the story of Fates. That IS the game. A Mary Sue is a phenomenon in fanfiction where someone inserts himself or a character that magically does everything. Micaiah is painted as a Mary Sue because she stole a lot of setup that PoR had for other characters, namely Mist's relationship with the medallion and by extension Yune. But even then the argument that there is setup for Micaiah herself in PoR exists as well.
Grayson Myers
Because the fact that you think Micaiah forcing a stalemate with an army that I think was like 1/5 the size, is somehow the defining element of what makes her a Mary Sue or not, and everything else is just "sue traits", shows that you think that being a Mary Sue means "they win", which is reinforced by your opinion of Ephraim.
Elijah Powell
Path of Radiance Mist is so cute. I like her outfit way more than Radiant Dawn's one.
Zachary Ortiz
i wanted to reply to your original reply to me but these are fairly sound arguments, while i'll admit i'll never like Corrin and think they're an awful character, i can't really find a hole in your reasoning.
and your defination of a sue seems to be "someone with super special traits" dispite thats not what being a sue is at all, further more you seem to ignore that i only consider ephraim to have slightly more sueish traits, he himself is not a sue, honestly your better off trying to change my mind on this matter by convincing the guy giving out the textbook definition of a sue to change his.
Anthony Rogers
Shit taste senpai
Bentley Roberts
Is it really okay to label the main character of a vidya game a Mary sue? The FE games are built around the Lord being able to fight while also being in a leadership position. Plus the games are chock filled with legendary swordsmen and powerful mages and in pretty much every game bloodline is very important.
Eli Wilson
Logan Bell
No
Tyler Jones
no
Easton Johnson
>24 mins
Caleb Cox
considering what the actual definition of the term is, no that's not okay because its using the term incorrectly.
heck the term some mentally challenged anons might be looking for is "perfect character" but even then i'd be hard pressed to call any one character in fire emblem perfect, maybe Robin, but thats a huge maybe.
Lincoln Hernandez
I gave as expansive an explanation as I could already, and Micaiah fits every category but self insert. Ephraim is somewhat competent beyond what is necessarily fitting, though his martial prowess is a part of his character. He isn't loved beyond what makes sense, he isn't a self insert, and his relevance to the story is driven almost entirely by his actions, only bolstered by a relationship to the main villain.
I very strongly disagree that Ike is nearly as much of a Mary Sue as Micaiah, but there's at least a basis for argument there. With Ephraim, there is nothing.
Carter Harris
No one cares about shit characters from shit games
Jeremiah Ortiz
>there's at least a basis for argument there
Oh really, what's the argument for Ike being a Mary Sue other than he's strong?
Wyatt Perry
By me
Gabriel Stewart
>Literally get her MC spot stolen from her in her own game
Sexy bitch, thought
Luke Cox
whats unfitting about micaiah's ability's given her background?
actually i'll take that question back, she can't even preform a sing command ingame, she's by far worse then what her background indicates she should be able to do, she does not have every strength of her background but does have almost every weakness.
>he isn't loved beyond what makes sense
in that case i can't see how Micaiah fails to also qualify for these, as only the people of daein like her, and even THEN some of those will rebel and switch sides if given the chance (Zihawk and Jill)
i'll give you the relevance to the story part to an extent but he'd be relevant to the story regardless of his own actions just because he's the Prince and he holds one half of the keys to unlocking his kingdom's sacred stone and twin weapons, his background and birthright alone make him irreplaceable to the narrative as it currently is.
Daniel Gomez
Like I already said, his accomplishments are extreme for the setting, and he is, eventually, universally adored by everyone who isn't shown as wrong for not doing so. As I also said, these are mitigated by how much story is dedicated to how he reached those points, and the struggle involved.
Lucas Clark
what is micaiah good for
David Mitchell
except by shinion, but shinion is never shown to be justified by this in the writing one guy disliking ike for shallow reasons is barely noticeable as a downside.
sex and love making, also for staff use and thani nuking, mostly the former.
Brody Perry
I wonder
Xavier Hill
Curing silenced mages
Andrew James
Uses staves well though I'll always use Laura instead myself. Thani is good early on. That's it.
Jayden Bennett
There's a difference between going out of your way and completely dumb luck like Stefan is.
Nolan Gonzalez
stefan is not a good example of how a hidden character should be done.
Matthew Richardson
>his accomplishments are extreme for the setting
So? Sigurd conquered half his continent accidentally with literally just a ragtag group of soldiers of his house and his literal friends and nobody calls him a sue for it.
>and he is, eventually, universally adored by everyone who isn't shown as wrong for not doing so.
Shinon doesn't like him, while respecting him as a leader. And at no point in RD is he ever stated to have warmed up to him. Volke's relationship with Ike is strictly employer-employee.
One of Ike's biggest traits is that he cares for his comrades and he actively tries to make friends with them, so it's hard to find people who dislike that.
Cameron Morales
So the army stress relief.
seems fair
Camden Bennett
nobody calls sigurd a sue because outside of his military success, his entire life is one of suffering that nobody should want to have happen to themselves, i can't imagine anyone would'd unironically want to self insert themselves into Sigurd to have be called a traitor to thier nation, have his father die in his arms, have his wife stolen and brainwashed, and to die declared a traitor while burning to death by a man he thought was his friend, who's also fucking his wife. you have to have some real self loathing to want to live sigurd's life.
speaking of military might, Sigurd has Major Holy Blood in a setting where having Major Holy Blood in gameplay and in story setting means your a one man army who's leagues above the common man.
Cooper Fisher
Again, I did a big long post about this She is compelled through the story by those elements. She is important and unique because of her powers, and because of her abilities. Even when one of her abilities falter, and she loses her ability to perceive the future, these are not seen roadblocks for her, because she instantly makes up for it by being an incredible tactician. And for the love of others, all who meet her (and aren't evil) adore and respect her.
Her only "failures" and desertions come from the impossibility of her situation, which is never blamed on her. Quite to the contrary, she is shown as bravely weathering a storm that should have blown her away ages ago, desperately and valiantly protecting her people from certain doom, with only the incompetence or scheming of others ever being responsible for her sorrows.
As for the Twin Weapons, they don't really matter. If you removed them from the plot, literally nothing would change, they're just a stupid little thing that's so deeply ingrained into FE, and fantasy in general, that it's less a story element, more of a plot structure to show "hey, they achieved the actualization of their character, the climax can happen now".
Blake Parker
>his entire life is one of suffering that nobody should want to have happen to themselves
He had nothing but success until Deirdre and even after she dissapeared it was nothing but praises to him. Levin's own mother told him he was the best son in the world despite not being related with... with Levin in front of them. It wasn't until he went to knock at the literal door of the king to, not beg for forgiveness, but rather try and justify himself.
Fucker was balling right up until Doors of Destiny
Jaxon Russell
So this is the power of autism.
David Taylor
In Robin's case, being bred to be the human vessel for a fell dragon doesn't really translate to any royal standing, transformation, or direct power. Hell, Echoes retroactively makes it even less impressive given Grima is a test-tube dragon made by man, so Robin's the result of matchmaking a human to a science experiment rather than actual divinity+royalty like the Exalted bloodline.
He's not even quite made out to be as good as someone with Major Holy Blood in Jugdral is, nevermind if they've got their respective holy weapon, where they plotwise can be alone in a castle, turn on the soldiers there, and that entire castle considers it a lost cause to attack them.
Evan Reed
>all who meet her
except for the entire laguz army, Soren, and even Ike himself, who have no good opinion of her until prehaps the end of part 3/the start of part 4.
i was not refering to the plot bracelets for the twin weapons, i was referring to them as the keys for unlocking the sacred stone of his kingdom, which as you know, the sacred stones ARE the entire plot of the game, please feel free to tell me how the magic plot stones that the super demon king was going after to destroy so he'd be unstoppable, aren't a major part of the plot, either that or i'm misremembering the sacred stone location.
i wouldn't call how elidigan's situation played out as a success, or Quan and Elthin dying in the desert a success either.
Caleb Bennett
>elidigan's situation played out as a success, or Quan and Elthin dying in the desert a success either.
That's entirely on them being dumb
Jace James
>Steals her game, impregnates her, and then fucks off to parts unknown
Is Ike the most based character in Fire Emblem history.
Eli Mitchell
fair enough, but its still not a success to be unable to stop your friend from being literally too stupid to live.
Jace Green
Close.
Chrom forces the player avatar to bear his children regardless of their choice in a number of situations completely defeating the point of being an avatar
Luis Evans
>Ike fucking anyone much less her
Good joke.
Michael Gutierrez
None of them meet her. Ike shows up for five seconds to tell her he's going to fuck Sothe's shit up if she doesn't fuck off with her fire attack nonsense, but that hardly counts.
And while the lock on the Sacred Stone's lock is some chosen one bullshit, it's not a big element. Imagine that lock wasn't there, and it was just hidden under a floorboard or something. The actual plot and actions of the characters wouldn't change. When it's something so inconsequential, I find it hard to consider it a core element of their characters.
Aaron Lewis
>literal fag
>impregnating anything.
Alexander Jones
>talks about how anything can change throughout the story
>completely forces them into marriage
Michael Garcia
Ike doesn't fuck women
Ethan Bailey
i'm not going to imagine stuff that isn't in thestory we got.
also you say no body meets micaiah on the otherside, but thats just not true, Tibarn literally flys to her face to snag sothe and drop him off a cliff, Soren criticizes her during one of Ike's chapters, this is not a sign of everyone liking her, also keep feel freeing to ignore that Zihawk and Jill will switch sides if they feel like Micaiah's gone off the deep end. but i guess any character can feel like perfection when you conveniently ignore anything negative about them.
Ethan Sanders
REMASTER WHEN
REEEEEEE
Eli Barnes
>Tibarn literally flys to her face to snag sothe and drop him off a cliff
Again, that's the fire scene, that is in no way a conversation. Tibarn and Ike come away from that with no impression of Micaiah.
>Zihawk and Jill will switch sides if they feel like Micaiah's gone off the deep end.
No they don't. They're still loyal to Micaiah, they get overwhelmed by the whole "genocide the race I want to fuck / made a big deal of not wanting to genocide anymore".
As for Soren, I'm not even sure what you're referring to.
Christian Green
>tfw Radiant Summer never ever
Nathan Anderson
*dabs on projecting homos*
Jason Stewart
eldigan fucking died
Kevin Richardson
>self proclaimed
>can't name for shit
>might not even be ike direct descendant
>uses a bootleg ragnell.
>actually not canon
nice proof you got there ya idiot.
ike's asexual___ anyways
Landon Morgan
if you betray someone that isn't being loyal to them.
people die when they are killed, the sky is blue, the grass is green, and if you switch sides during a way, your betraying one side to join the other. come on, lets not rewrite dictionary definition even if thats what you been trying to do this entire conversation by insisting micaiah is somehow a mary sue.
Kevin Ross
>loy·al·ty
>a strong feeling of support or allegiance.
They still support her, and they still believe she is the best thing for Daien, they just aren't willing to keep mindlessly murdering Laguz because she says so without being given a reason. The fact they were willing to do it at all is testament to that.
Jason Brooks
he could be descended from Mist and Boyd I guess
Marth actually sets that precedent
Luke Thomas
they only remain loyal if they don't switch sides, if they do switch, thats a sign of betrayal.
Jack Watson
Personally my headcanon is Soren gave himself a magical womb and carried Ike's children.
Cameron Brown
You can betray someone you're loyal to. If the President told a military general to shoot himself on stage for his amusement, and the general refused, would you assume the general wasn't loyal?
Lincoln Davis
prehaps, but micaiah didn't tell zihawk or jill to leave her side, therefore its a betrayal.
Thomas Hall
Yes he fucking is. Ike is a Mary Sue who never has any morally questionable battles or difficult choices. Everyone he ever fights is always in the wrong and he is always in the right and always has strong ties and allies with the good side of the conflict.
The story of PoR is a bigger self-insert power fantasy than the three games with self-insert characters and most jrpgs in general. Ike starts and ends the game with, among other things, the same attitudes towards nobility, the same attitudes towards discrimination, and the same general perspective, and him being a commoner changes nothing of this perspective. Ike is simply a less interesting character than many others like Elincia and Jill, and that his moronic rivalry with the Black Knight distracts from Ashnard, a much better antagonist since Ashnard may be a one dimensional big bad at least have compelling aspects. Ike is terrible far from the best FE has to offer in terms of protagonists like Marth and Sigurd.
Wyatt Allen
Is there a reason to use Edward when you get Zihark? Sure Edward's growths are insane but Zihark is a billion levels above him.
Leo Price
gee i wonder who could be behind THIS post
Gabriel Martin
How likely is it that Micaiah might be the Fire Emblem DLC character we get for Smash?
Having only one representative for Tellius seems too little if you ask me.
Adam Moore
If Ed gets the levels he'll match or surpass Zihark's stats at a lower level plus he gets a special sword
BUT if he gets RNG screwed he's screwed. Zihark also has the best attribute in the game
Carson Rivera
>He wasn't even in the line of succession.
He wasnt, but in the chain of command, the Generals were the 2nd due to their power and Greil was the strongest of them all.
>but most characters outside of Daien wouldn't even know the name "Gawain".
Doesn't change how he's all powerful
>She was just a shrine maiden.
Still a noble
>but lore wise commanding a small, unremarkable mercenary troop
Both the red hair bitch and Soren aren't close to unremarkable. Also great story-gameplay separation there.
>Everything that actually compels Ike forward is his interactions with Elincia, and the choices he makes in dealing with that situation
Except thats fucking wrong as Ike doesn't growth or learn about shit. There are no consequences to what ever he does and he's always right about everything. He should have flaws, but the game always flips them to either turn out to be things that don't hurt him at all, or end up helping him. Or people just give him a free pass tthe game ignores them so they don't really come across as flaws.
Blake Richardson
It's also one of the worst games in the series so there's that.
Wyatt Sanchez
>the same attitudes towards nobility
Not even a little. Assuming the whole Elincia thing is a little too subtle, just look at the fucking Sanaki mess. Ike nearly derails fucking everything and isolates Elincia from the one ally she had, because he was too pig headed to understand diplomacy and the complexity of leadership.
>the same attitudes towards discrimination
He doesn't understand it at first, and approaches it with a naivety that is shown to be also damaging and worthless. In understanding the complexities of the situation he starts to push against it in a helpful way, not before.
>the same general perspective, and him being a commoner changes nothing of this perspective
The entire plot of the game is him coming to understand how ill equipped his basic worldview is at dealing with the world, how people like Elincia are the one who can actually move people and affect change. The game also shows his point of view isn't without value, that it too can contribute, but not on it's own.
>He wasnt, but in the chain of command, the Generals were the 2nd due to their power and Greil was the strongest of them all.
You're confusing pre-Ashnard Daien with post-Ashnard's meritocracy.
>Doesn't change how he's all powerful
He had some sway with Caneighis, which translates into a bias towards Ike. That's hardly "all powerful".
>Still a noble
Not even a little. You could argue high ranking church officials are the equivalent of nobles, but not shrine maidens.
>Both the red hair bitch and Soren aren't close to unremarkable.
Titania is a weathered veteran, but not anyone special, and Soren was a talented, but at the time inexperienced tactician.
>Also great story-gameplay separation there.
Yes, in talking about story, you talk about the story context. You might as well say that the 3-13 archer is some god king that the Daien military revolved around.
Jeremiah Scott
Of course you would think a mary sue is based