Atleast Goku wasn't a chosen one. He was just an average saiyan who achieved everything with his own hard work...

wtf is this real

Nigga he was the legendary super saiyan

Why are they so afraid of labeling Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan?

Actually the first super Saiyan was trunks

Is this canon?

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>he’s talking to himself again

Because the protagonist earns their success and glory by bettering themselves to match or even surpass everything just handed greatness and relying on winning the biological/supernatural lottery alone.

Kill yourself, shitjaking Yea Forumstard.

Because it is not canon, just take solace in the non-canon Broly being the Legendary Super Sayan in its own separate continuity.

>Goku wasn't a chosen one
>the latest chapter of the manga reveals that bardock literally used a magic wish to set goku on a path of success
goku is now THE most privileged character in all anime and manga. he is no longer about hard work.

>who achieved everything with his own hard work
lol

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then who is the legendary one?

this ritual is one of the dumbest things to happen. Who decides who is a 'good' saiyan? They've all killed before and are selfish battle hungry sociopaths.

Goku said he was the legendary warrior in Namek.

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The thing that distinguished, and continues to distinguish, Dragon Ball from nuShonen is the relative lack of plot armor for the protagonist(s), and also the fact that the villains aren't push-overs. Let's start with Goku. Unlike most nuShonen jesus chosen one MC's, Goku has to work for almost everything he gets, while the villains are handed their power. Even the reveal that he's from a super-special warrior race was subverted: He's low class, his powerlevel at birth was pathetic, and later we find out that the saiyans aren't even that strong on a universal scale. He's quite simply one of the few ACTUAL examples of a "hard worker" MC. Hell, even the idea that he was more talented than Vegeta has always been in the context of him training SMARTER and having a better methodology and outlook on improvement.

The second thing is that the villains aren't little BITCHES. What I mean by that is that they never make the victory easy. This is an incredibly underrated aspect of Dragon Ball. Even when they get outclassed, they don't just roll over and die, they ALWAYS have an ace or final fuck you up their sleeve. It's never just "Goku got the arc power-up, now they get obliterated". Frieza might be the only straight example of that and even he still blew up the planet to doom Goku. Everyone else either flat-out defeated Goku, or there were a million twists and turns before he finally edges out a victory. Just look at Vegeta literally KO'ing him and having to be finished by the sidekicks, or Cell surviving Goku's heroic sacrifice and coming back stronger. Where else do you find writing like this? Certainly not Wan Piss.

In conclusion, the stakes actually feel real in Dragon Ball, the victories feel hard-fought and hard-earned. Yes the Dragon Balls make writing around death easy but even that comes with caveats like "people can't be resurrected twice" and "if God dies the DB's turn to stone". NuShonen lacks stakes because the protagonists are handed free wins.

The wish obviously failed. Goku and Raditz both died. It's a red herring.

And the legend is just something any Saiyan can obtain.

>The wish obviously failed
did it? raditz survived the destruction of his race, live to adulthood and as only murdered when he fought his own brother, something the wish obviously didn't account for.
he did thrive

he was helped by Bardock wish

he just so happen to be in the right place and in the right place, to be trained by the rigt people and having easy access to heaing method allowing him to spam zankai

Who are you quoting?

Barlock wasn't even making a wish, that Nemakian was and he wished to sent Barlock home. Furthermore Barlock wished for both his sons to survive and one of them happens to be Raditz who happen to be dead.

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> goku obtained everything through hard work
> part of a planet-destroying species stronger then 99% of all life in the universe
yeah bro, goku wouldn't have to train or do hard work for one day in his fucking life and he still would've been stronger then tien, yamcha and krillin

>Average saiyajin
He was a low class cannon fodder

Jiren lost.

The average Saiyan is weaker than the average Namekian. If Goku was never trained he would have lost to all those characters as well since he was especially weak, Goku clearly struggled a lot with Jackie Chun and Tien. There's speedreading and then there's straight up not even reading the material.

Goku didn't get to where he is through hard work alone, all of his teachers just happened to be the very best in the story that far (Roshi -> Korin -> Kami -> King Kai) taking him in as a special pupil and giving him exclusive training AND he got convenient power boosts whenever Toriyama was lazy and through his saiyan near death power-up (Zenkai). Not to get into PL autism but his Zenkai boost after nearly dying to Ginyu is ridiculous.

Did he train hard because he's a fighting autist with an IQ of 90? Sure.
Would he have died 200 times or stagnated at a much more pathetic power level had he not had all the stars align at the ideal time or him? Yeah.

HARD WORK SISTERS UHHHH THIS IS NON CANON PROMOTIONAL MANGA

I actually wish they called the beefy green hair form something other than Full Power Super Saiyan. It's too dangerously close to Super Saiyan Full Power aka Grade 4. I understand not wanting to use LSS but they already had the Berserker naming scheme for Kale. So they could just fall on using that or some other name.Or even call it Wrathful Super Saiyan since the form is mixing Super Saiyan with Wrath State

Bejitabro btw

> genetic memory
> sun breath user
> sun conquering blood
sure

Goku is THE legendary super saiyan because he was the first one of its generation, vegeta and gohan came up later, and Trunks is not even from that se generation. Even if Broly (Z) counts (because he doesnt) he, at most, was the second super saiyan by the time he destroyed South Galaxy.

How about 'overflow super saiyan' or 'super saiyan wild'?

How about just Legendary Super Saiyan?

>"I wish my sons would thrive!"
>They get killed by a demon slug 20 years later
>Raditz probably died a virgin

Because really, the moment trunks came in, the whole 'legendary' aspect of the super saiyan lost absolutely all meaning.

If anything, 'legendary' would only apply to goku because he was the first one to achieve it in a long time.

> having your main character turn out to be an alien from a planet of warriors is a pretty big retcon and definitely classes him as someone special.
The second he got that its when that stopped being special. Other saiyans were also introduced.
That only made him "special" compared to the other characters he already overcame(one of which became an alien later on).
In a narrative sense, he really was nothing special even then.

Good thing that wasn't what happened.

>If anything, 'legendary' would only apply to goku because he was the first one to achieve it in a long time.
Bardock did though. And the title of Legendary should go to the strongest one. Which is Broly

Broly is THE Legendary Super Saiyan, because his high powerlevel at birth instilled fear in EVERYONE.
So they're all Super Saiyans, just not Legendary.
>He’s just a Super Saiyan with an unusually high battle power.
No, both Brolys have an ability different from the other Saiyans.
It's one in which their powerlevel continiously rises.
NuBroly started with a powerlevel lower than base Vegeta, but ended as strong as SS Gogeta because of that.
That's another reason for why they are the Legendary Super Saiyans.

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Yeah? Well the androids are stated to have INFINITE power level scaling. Do you know what infinite means? This makes 18 the most powerful entity in all of DB if she wanted.

they have infinite energy, not infinite power retard

Dragon Ball is the only battle shounen worth a damn.

Well, yes. In the DBZ movies, Broli was intended to be THE Legendary Super Saiyan the legends were talking about.

But Toriyama certainly never intended Broli to be, "The Legendary Super Saiyan." In fact, in his script for DBS Broli, he even goes out of his way to have Paragus call Vegeta the Legendary Super Saiyan when he transforms.

The "Broli is the real Legendary Super Saiyan" idea came from Toei Animation's head writer Takao Koyama, and Toriyama made it clear how he felt about that when he rewrote the story. He didn't even write Broli with a special transformation; that was added by the character designer, Naohiro Shintani, who was nostalgic for the green, beefy form.

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>Broli was intended to be THE Legendary Super Saiyan the legends were talking about
youtu.be/Dlg6pXPdyZk?t=27
It makes more sense that he is the current Legendary SS and that Bardock and Goku are just SS if you listen to Vegeta's explanation of what the LEGENDARY Super Saiyan really is.
>>Broli was intended to be THE Legendary Super Saiyan the legends were talking about
Haven't seen that mentioned in the movie. The only thing we KNOW is that Broly was known because of his huge powerlevel
He is the Legendary Saiyan, but he's also a Super Saiyan so he's the Legendary Super Saiyan.
>But Legends are supposed to be dead
Everybody thought that king Vegeta killed him.
>he even goes out of his way to have Paragus call Vegeta the Legendary Super Saiyan when he transforms
He calls him the Super Saiyan out of the Legends he heard about.
>He didn't even write Broli with a special transformation
Broly himself (both versions) is special, hence why he is Legendary.
He has the ability to continiously grow stronger and this was so well known at Toei that they used it for the story of the Legendary DEMONIC Saiyan of U6 who grew so strong that he destroyed himself which Vegeta also .

Yeah, the main character just have a built-in deus ex machina button called zenaki boost.

Toyotaro disagrees.

the good thing is that tanjiro wasn't the only special dude:

>tanjiro: learned the best dance through family
>mist dude: descendant of sword jesus
>rock dude: strongest fighter
>nezuko: anti-demon demon
>gun guy: half human half demon

you spelled Warudo Torigaa wrong

Jackie Chun disproves this.

Broly being the Legenary one and not the good guys is a good thing.

They are aware that Zly is fat to popular

If I put infinite amount of fuel into your car, will you reach infinite speed ?

>so unspecial he becomes special

Retcon that became irrelevant after Frieza.