is he the niggerman of our time?
Is he the niggerman of our time?
He's not popular enough. Only artfags and litfags like Ito, he never tried to pander to the quote unquote anime community like Nisio did.
As much as I like him his work is too derivative of the niggerman himself to call him a new niggerman.
What made niggerman so good is that he put cosmic horror on the map and created an aesthetic which would influence practically all horror writers of the future.
Only someone who proposes something entirely new that flips the horror genre upside down can be considered the new niggerman.
i mean, if he keep shittting out something like Long Dream, it could be
Niggerman ripped off four niggers in particular. But as a writer, he added his own experience as a pampered yet emotionally abused son of two schizophrenics. It papered over the real horror he lived with spooky ghosts and boogymen dressed up with pretentious pseudoscience for mature pulp fiction connoisseurs such as himself. All we really need is another untreated second generation crazy person to write horror after their youthful hopes of a STEM career are dashed. A less talented Terry Davis, essentially.
Niggerman was never popular until long after his death though.
People simply didn't get it. While he was alive most people lived in the countryside and were only basically literate. His surrealism was unironically ahead of his time.
He wasn't a surrealist. He actually wrote stories. And a his dream cycle works generally included many feasible settings.
Junji ito is better than niggerman. At least for normies. Junji ito actually is a nice person to interact with, and he's not a nihilist from what i see. His latest story, though bad, was very uplifting for me.
What's his latest story?
Niggerman was a nice enough guy to your face, even if he didn't think much of your race. Racism was different back then. Despite what people say, he was not more racist than average for his time. As evidence, read any newspaper from 1900-1930 published on the east coast.
Modern horror would have to play on modern fears like surveillance, loss of privacy, censorship and loss of financial freedom and financial security. Failure of work ethics, inhuman work environment and things like that. Maybe make it totally on the nose and have a left and a right cabal using the public for their shit flinging contest. Loss of individuality and dignity through aggressive gossip could also make for a great modern horror story.
I got it: human trafficking
shit's scary as hell
Surrealism and adjacent movements like dada would have very much been in vogue. Lovecraft fits into the pulp fiction canon nicely. And, anything more than is a bit overstated. Lovecraft was apart of the gothic craze which would become popular in comics and manga (with the latter thanks to Edogawa Ranpo.)
But that's less fun and more stressing to think about.
Sounds a lot like a cyberpunk. It's a shame that horror wasn't explored more within that genre. It's also a shame that this thread will probably be pruned.
It's not like Niggerman tapped into contemporary fears much. Maybe a little with the disdain for industrialization. He styled himself as a throwback. Had this whole ridiculous English gentleman persona, and wrote about ghosts, vampires and faeries, except actually aliens.
Say nigger out loud, right now.
pretty much. people just go "OOOH MY GOOOD HIS CAT IS NAMED THE N-WORD??" and make wild assumptions. it wasn't even his cat, and he wasn't the one who named it niggerman.
I no longer like cosmic horror.
he was popular with 20 year olds who were goth in high school, i dont think younger generations like him though.
That's the thing. It's genuinely scary. How Ito knows where the line is and when to cross it. And it almost never shows up in modern horror cause a lot of writers simply want to have "fun" instead of writing something genuinely scary. Cronenberg kind of got it though.
Cyberpunk was never taken to its logical conclusions. It always ends up being an aesthetic instead of exploring the implications. Even in star trek when individual borg get unplugged, the horror aspect is just minimally mentioned.
We do have hundreds of his letters where he goes on at length about exactly how he considered black people inferior. Some to fellow racists, and some to his circle of enlightened friends, who he would never stop arguing with. Oddly enough, he considered Greeks superior to white people by virtue of having invented civilization. His ignorance obviously freed his imagination to travel in strange places.
I unironically think those aren't the fears for the average person, either because they've already given up and accepted reality or they just don't care about their privacy, which is why we have a ton of horror based on that kind of stuff, but anything modern hasn't caught on.
I think modern horror would have to take a different spin on things and address a different set of modern fears. Without getting too off the rails, I think this is why Jordan Peele's modern movies have been so successful and critically acclaimed, because he's addressing a modern set of fears people do have (being replaced, being seen as racist, etc)
Cronenberg's work was just the natural evolution of digging out a booger and chasing girls around the playground with it. Not really horrifying at all.
I have a local hot topic at my mall and I can see they still have junji ito merch on display outside their window, so I guess it's still somewhat popular.
very cool Yea Forums thread we have here guys
>being seen as racist
Fear of being seen as racist is an excellent addition here, now I'm kind of pissed for not suggesting it myself. Everything can be reinterpreted as racist, and any stranger can use it as a means of control. Sometimes, you really don't need to write a copypasta where each and every word starts with n.
Like I said horror audience is a different set of topics than the anime community. Not really a bad thing.
Like I told you, it's not scary to think that I might get swatted or beaten up, put in a van and sold on chinese market, it's just annoying to think about because it's humans doing it. I'm sure that if you tried to write a book or make a movie with that premise it would be depressing more than anything, not scary and certainly not entertaining in a way something paranormal would be.
>Even in star trek when individual borg get unplugged, the horror aspect is just minimally mentioned.
First off, Star Trek isn't cyberpunk. Second off, there are some works that explore the horror aspect of cyberpunk like Tetsuo The Ironman, AD Police, and the Running Man short in Neo Tokyo.
He mellowed out eventually. He was just a reclusive nerd like the lot of us.
You wanna get weird? Lets get weird.
The paranormal element is just a means of cutting off any hope of rescue by conventional institutions. A lot of what made the recent Color Out of Space adaptation horrific wasn't that alien things were happening, but that they were happening to a family. Watching your parents go mad when you need them to live, never mind if you love them. Watching your children succumb to some alien influence you can't control or even describe. Being more profoundly alone because you're surrounded by people who can't understand you because they don't acknowledge important and terrifying parts of your world as real. You could do all that without aliens, but it wouldn't add much to the story.
A reclusive nerd who went on long walking tours of old American townships cataloging the colonial architecture.
Urobutcher does it better.
>Watching your children succumb to some alien influence you can't control or even describe.
That's pretty autistic, but nonetheless comfy.
I wish he didn't mark the turning point with ntr rape.
There was a journalist in pumkin scissors that did it well
You're not even white.
Russia is winning.
I think if you rape a tentacle monster after it tampered with your brain to make it seem attractive then you are not at fault and in fact you were the one who was raped.
>forced into starting the war
>winning
Slava Ukrajini, kurvo. Stiže ti poklon od Švabe sljedeći vikend.
a... journalist in pumpkin scissors? what?
Pumpkin scissors, the manga
Killing hohols is good thing. They're like Polacks.
How racist is Ito?
>Niggerman is standing outside your house writing notes.
>Niggerman is lurking in the alley next to your apartment at 2am.
>Niggerman wants to sell you a subscription to his fanzine.
Creepy fucker.
Very. He was banned on twitter not so long ago.
Hell anyone can be banned on twitter. As soon as you're not vocalizing you're support for various things you're already sus.
>junji ito banned on twitter
lol what? please explain what was said and link me cause I cant find shit
Lurk moar. We had multiple threads in Yea Forums.
Yes okay. There's a journalist in it who did what exactly?
That looks interesting. What is it?
Here, I got it. Sorry for the phone posting and if the quality tanks, it's more talking about a concept than a actual lovecraft horror.
An OVA of The Dunwich Horror done in stop motion. I do not know why Japan did this, but it is anime.
>lurk moar
archive doesnt show shit faggot now post some proof
Post some proof you're a girl and I'll let you insult me.
Lovecraft was not popular while he lived.
He died poor.
those who reference niggerman without having read lovecraft WILL get raped by black men unless they go fucking read his shit
>thread about/referencing lovecraft
>several retards go off about him, act like they know him, his work, person beliefs,etc perfectly
>very obvious to the few that do actually know they are bullshitting
It's amazing how many times I see this happen in a Lovecraft thread(well jap wannabee lovecraft guy in this case). The question is why they do this and I have no idea, the one's saying LE NIGGERMAN LEL is the main take away for knowing if a post is gonna be shit. Lovecraft's main theme was social degeneration caused by universal forces out of the control of the individual human being reflecting much of his early life especially his time in new york where he went from white new england to the multiethnic hellhole of new york.
Ito is good, he has some definite good stories there but most of them are just the same deriative lovecraftian style stuff and he can't writing ends for shit.
You're talking about Philip K. Dick dude
The problem ITT is that y'all assume lovecraft was making horror books. You can only put something new on the map and influence everyone if what you're doing has no popular precedent
Fucking toby fox is closer to a Lovecraft than Ito