Was Naruto better when the Power Level wasn't so fucking ridiculous?

This is more of a Sasuke thing. A lot of fights in Shippuden consist of someone running away while studying the enemy.

The second arc had Lee going full DB on Gaara by using budget kaioken and pinballing him in the air.
This was the case even early on, people like Tenten or Kiba wouldn't be able to even touch Gaara or Kimimaro if they fought.

Naruto was always shit, it just got more shit over time.

Maybe if the everyone else got balanced too it wouldnt be so ridiculous.

There was a dropped plotline about The 6 Sage paths = 6 kekken genkais.If more clans were sage paths then it would have been far more interesting

>Tenten or Kiba wouldn't be able to even touch Gaara or Kimimaro if they fought.

Gaara and Kimimaro were considering top tier. But that doesn't mean Kimimaro and Gaara would be able to solo the whole world.

The problem is that some ridiculously overpowered characters, by the end of Shippuden and Boruto, legitimately CAN solo the whole world, making 99% of the characters feel useless

No, it wouldn't have. What was neat about Naruto was that the series was more grounded and gritty than Dragon Ball or One Piece.

>genin couldn't touch jounin level threats with specifically strong defenses
no shit. That's far from garbage like revived madara face tanking all the tailed beast because of muh senju/hash chakra. A dude like Zabuza, who was an S rank criminal, got caught off guard by a goddamn well thrown kunai knife

The last fight between Naruto and Sasuke before Shippuden is literally the best fight in the series, that was the peak right there, everything after that became more and more about over the top dragon ball explotions style

>no shit. That's far from garbage like revived madara face tanking all the tailed beast because of muh senju/hash chakra.

/This
Shit got so ridiculous.

Gaara was also a god damn genin who was defeated by a genin and Kimimaro had no rank.
That's just how scaling goes in shonen, now that the setting of the rest of the world, everyone has to get involved into the scalation.
When Naruto's cast just covers konoha:
>Kimamaro can solo Naruto and all his friends
When it covers the world:
>Madara can solo the whole world

>pic
That fight was kino

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I am arguing for the opposite of it genius, something like HxH that there is a balance in things

Gara was a genin in name only and because of a dumb classification system. Kimimararo was the right hand man of a Kage level ninja until he got cancer. Both were outliers closer to the top end than the bottom at the time

Orochimaru vs Sarutobi should have introduced the "ceiling" of the Narutoverse scaling until the very end of the series because they were two Kage-level characters duking it out, while Kakashi vs Zabuza was you could expect from a jonin-level fight. Really strong characters in the world to be sure, but still capable of being fucked over by a team of resourceful lower-ranked ninja, like how Naruto and sasuke nearly got Zabuza.

>Jonin rank
Utter buzzword according to the story itself, most of the jonin in the series have less feats than fucking ranklet children.

Why are the best fights always the most simplistic?

Even in that fight (Naruto vs Sasuke 2) people love more the scene in which Naruto and Sasuke are throwing Taijutsu more than the Megazord fight

>actually ninjas

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original naruto up to mid way through shippuden is fine. after that it just gets dumber and then finally shadow man makes the main bad guy a tranny

i walked away. this shit went from devil may cry 3 to 4 and i walked away

Kimimaro was just a strong thug that Orochimaru gave no fucks about besides stealling his body.
Kabuto was his right hand man btw.

What was the point of having a whole ass Ninja Village (Sunagakure) if one single Ninja is able to break in and kidnap you leader like it's nothing?

Logical writing in Naruto has always been kinda shit. There's always tons of inconsistent writing, plot holes, ass pulls, retconns, etc.

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>Naruto uses his shadow clone effectively enough to fool the sharingan
>Naruto brings back the uzumaki rendan
>Sharingan is just a really good eyesight tool and not a bullshit plot machine
>Sasuke's use of fuuinjtsu
>Clever application of shurikenjutsu+chakra manipulation
>naruto just fucking slugs sasuke in the face

Whoever designs the naruto fight scenes needs a raise, I fucking swear the writing does not deserve its team of animators and choreographers because this is just a perfect 30 seconds of shounen animation

That fight is so insanely good. Give Naruto shit all you want, it ended fucking conclusively.

Reminder that Haku was beaten by a tailet 12 years old while being considered "top jonin" level.

same user for reference

dmc3
youtube.com/watch?v=Hjebqbe5wJg

dmc4
youtube.com/watch?v=JSEBAukcHaU

Bruh Deidara was not someone to fuck with. He made Akatsuki look fucking threatening on his debut.

This was supposed to hype the akatsuki up.

>Kakashi vs Zabuza
>Gaara vs Lee
>Sound 4 + Kimimaro vs Genin Squad + Suna
>Sasuke vs Naruto

>Killer Bee embarrassing Taka
>Jiraiya vs Pain
>Kakashi vs Obito
>Sasuke vs Itachi
>Naruto vs Pein
>Naruto vs Sasuke

It's actually crazy how many good fights Naruto has in comparison to how shit the writing is

THIS. Power levels should've stayed peaked at higher kage tier like war arc madara & obito. After the introduction obito & madara sage truth seeking forms is where the power level got fucked up & stupid dbz level power creep.

Kagara should've never existed period.

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Naruto vs Sasuke 1 was pretty much a glorified tennis match with some flashback is homo undertones (in the manga at least, anime made many improvements to the fight), literally everything but Neji's fight sucked out the sound 4.
Zabuza vs Kakashi is also a fucking joke.
Rest is good though.

Theres a lot of shit fights too

You forgot the best one
youtube.com/watch?v=CoWscjO98QU

Naruto Shippuden is as good as Cowboy Bebop

>Zabuza vs Kakashi is also a fucking joke.
I liked it just for showing that even jonin-level threats can get their shit kicked in by a team of resourceful genin if they're not careful, it was a neat bit of worldbuilding and writing. Of course it gets fucked over by shippuden because everyone that's worth a damn is a fucking one man army in that, but in the moment it was cool

youtu.be/w9ZtQgjwZfk?t=263

It's good until you realize the power is no longer like ninja making complicated handseals and more about wizards waving their hand. It's still fun when jonin and above ninjas are ridiculously strong compared to the genins, but simple stuff like shuriken and kunai can still threaten them.

Kimetsu no Yaiba unironically handles power levels the best. Power levels are very consistent between sides, and fights aren't won just because someone went supersaiyan. Every fight required some sort of strategy or specific circumstance that could've easily failed.

Early Naruto powerlevels were kinda shit. You remember Oro vs Hiruzen fondly because of the filler, but in the manga they all look weak.

Naruto had a random ass power up that no one but the viewer would have expected. The power up was also incredibly strong and we wouldn't see base Naruto reach that same power level for a long time. Power levels in the original Naruto were actually pretty grounded

For example, in the Sasuke retrieval arc, 2 jonin come across the sound four. The jonin get beaten off screen, but later the scene also shows the sound 4 panting, having to rest, and complaining that they needed to use their cursed forms or they would've died (Tayuya directly saying this). It establishes that the jonin are still a high power level that the genin/chuunin teenagers can barely match.

A problem with "high power level" fights in general are that the environment entirely takes a backdrop. People can get hit through buildings, cracked floors, boulders thrown at them, and they'll keep on fighting. Lower level fight scenes are great when the characters make use of the environment and nearby objects.

A great fight scene (non anime though) from ATLA: youtube.com/watch?v=IDMidY3dnzk

>Naruto vs Sasuke 1 was pretty much a glorified tennis match with some flashback is homo undertones (in the manga at least, anime made many improvements to the fight)
The anime is even more of a tennis match with longer "now I'm invincible" "and now I am" parts.

every shonen is better when it's still low basic powerlevels and abilities
naruto went to shit almost exactly at the part in OP pic.
once it got to "Hokkidge battles" (as a buddy used to call them before the internet was a thing) it just became retarded dragonball shit where everyone except MC and Bad Guy were effectively useless

no fucking way are you saying that Naruto went to shit with the Crush arc when it's followed up by Tsunade, and then Sasuke Retrieval

True. A great fight doesn't need to have people throwing a mountain or two over each other. That scene power level is comparable to Naruto after chunin exam and that's like when the series was the most popular.

i cant believe the novels confirmed naruto has a micropenis

>>actually ninjas
ninja aren't supposed to fight retard

That ship had sailed by the time Lee fought Gaara.

So it's shit

The added stuff still made the overall experience better, the scene where Nardo beats down Sasuke, Sasuke dives Naruto's skull into solid ground and other were all iconic and satisfying to see.

Tha fuk?

That was already confirmed by the manga and anime though

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>it just became retarded dragonball shit
Another fucking meme opinion. It only became nuke spam when characters actually unlocked the nuke spam, during the war arc. Shippuden has some of the best fights in the series.

Dragon Ball isn't just beams, pic related isn't much different than Goku and co. blitzing their enemies

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That's one of the only fights where this happens because Kishimoto hates drawing actual choreography. Rock Lee vs Kimimaro is like 7 pages long in the manga, it's a disgrace