Dad tells him to stay away from the Phantom Troupe

>dad tells him to stay away from the Phantom Troupe
>joins the Phantom Troupe
What's his problem?

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his??? I thought .. I thought that was a ... what the fuck?

He's trying to find Killua because he wants his BOC (Big Onii-chan Cock)

How much were the kids in this family molested? There's no way they would all turn out be faggots otherwise.

>extensively trained in every type of torture
>Killua comfortable being hung and whipped
None of their assholes are tight.

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Silva has cursed sperm because of his great great grandad Zigg going to the Dark Continent. The Guide is an asshole and sent him back with something that would kill off his bloodline

He wanted to be recognized. Of the current generation of children, only really Illumi and Killua are renown in the Zoldyck clan. Kalluto is a no-name.

>no name
>somehow learns nen before killua

Didn't he literally say he wants to find Killua? It would make sense that he'd want to become stronger to gain the approval of his beloved older brother

He stayed at home and listened to his mother instead of running off like a shit.

>has the ability to find people
>can't find hisoka

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He is working with Hisoka (Hisoka is transformed into Illumi with Texture Surprise thanks to post mortem nen)

Ignoring that terrible theory, the spiders used kalluto's power before so they should know about it. So they would make him use it weather he wants to or not.

It's possible that he can't track someone who is using zetsu, and it wouldn't be unreasonable to think someone as skilled as Hisoka could maintain zetsu 24/7

That would make sense. But I still think it's the first thing they should have addressed. Like no one even mentions it.

I think it's something that they'd mention later on but Togashi never got around to it before going on permanent hiatus

They molested each other.

>his

>him

>What's

I love Killua!!!

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Why is Kalluto such a beta male?

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he takes after his mother too much
a young assassin but still better than miluki

It's by design, because there can only be one heir. Nobles did this shit all the time back in the day, they'd send the kids that are too far in the line of inheritance to be monks, front line soldiers, squires for other nobles, etc... Turning them enuchs/trannies would be another choice I suppose.

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If you're magic david bowie's kids you're going to be fabulous. That's just how genetics work.

He's automatically a scrub since he's a black haired Zoldyck (manipulator). Only the white haired Zoldycks (transmuters) are worth anything. So I doubt Silva really cares

>stay away
Wasn't it 'avoid fighting'?

>use zetsu and immediately out yourself as a nen user and get find out
He's not using Zetsu

kek

>beginning of GI arc
>wing says enhancers are the most balanced
But emission is obviously the best category by far excluding specialist hax
Honestly it goes emission > enhancement > manipulation = conjuration > transmutation. We're only led to think otherwise because some of the strongest characters are from the worse categories

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>>has the ability to find people
Doesn't seem like Kurapika's ability where he can just pull out a map and target someone. Wiretapping won't be super precise if you are just listening in on random people hoping someone like Hisoka hasn't disguised his voice.

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He found the Exorcist on Greed Island

>draw cute girls
>Togashi "Boy."
I hate him so much.

What? If he were using zetsu constantly you wouldn't even be able to detect him let alone figure out that he's a nen user

Yes, but the exact specifics have remained unstated and Abengane was also really conspicuous in his attire while also being on an island where most of the population aren't human so they can be disregarded.

How would killua react to me dating alluka would nanika be nice to me or soda can my ass

>But emission is obviously the best category by far excluding specialist hax
>emission > enhancement > manipulation = conjuration > transmutation
Eh disagree.
Transmutation can be absolutely strong as fuck without being a super strong character. You just cant choose something basic like water.
Like transmuting metal to make armor or melee weapons or even bullets. Learn various types of metals for differing situations.
In the non canon short on Hisoka, Hisoka's mentor has a magnetism transmutation ability.
I could easily see a poison transmutation being versatile as hell. Assassination, debuff enemies, you name it.

Emission suffers in that it seems to be somewhat limited in what abilities you can create. How many emission nen abilities can you name in the series?
Franklins bullet fingers, the boxing dude's teleporting punch(which was similar to Leorios ability), Ging has several I think.
Emission works well in conjunction with transmutation or enhancement. But it doesnt have much creativity by itself.
Id honestly say the same with enhancement. Those two alone really cant do much in terms of how many abilities you can create.

Nanika would be fine as long as you're nice to her but there is a great danger of death by electrocution from Killua if you mess up

People see transmutation as strong because some very strong characters are transmuters, but with rare exceptions acquiring the properties of a single substance is limited and hardly versatile
Emission is great because it's next to two categories that work with it perfectly. Enhancement is good with everything, and manipulating emitted constructs is perfect synergistically. Also emission has teleportation which is broken.
Transmutation is next to conjuration which is useless with it. Conjuration is very good by itself (as is manipulation) so they don't suffer from not having very good compatibility charts, since you don't need to combine them with other categories for them to be good

So is the fatty the male one and Killua is also faggot?

Checks out

To make myself clearer:
>enhancement is decent by itself, if a little straightforward, doesn't need other categories to be good
>emission is good by itself (teleportation, ranged attacks) and benefits from also being closest to two categories that work extremely well with it
>manipulation is very good by itself (basically a win button depending on the circumstances), doesn't need other categories
>conjuration is also very good by itself because of how specific these abilities tend to be, and it's also the category that works best by itself without needing other stuff because you conjure special objects with special properties
>transmutation is in an awkward position where it's next to a category it doesn't benefit from (conjuration) and isn't really good by itself since after transmuting your aura into whatever you need to detach it (emission) or manipulate it (manipulation)

>>transmutation is in an awkward position where it's next to a category it doesn't benefit from (conjuration) and isn't really good by itself since after transmuting your aura into whatever you need to detach it (emission) or manipulate it (manipulation)
Even without detaching aura from the body characters get a lot of bang from transmuatation. Zeno's dragon lance wasn't detached, neither are all instances of bungee gum as Hisoka can even stretch them at people to snag them from range and this doesn't have to use emissions or manipulation since shaping aura is the whole point of transmutation. Genthru and Silva both have point blank explosives with the latter having a bigger hitbox. Killua's whole schtick with Godspeed is just boosting himself which is his best and most versatile electric ability.

But it is true that across the entire series there are very few people that mix conjuration and transmutation as a single ability. I think Feitan is the only person to do it as the only other person I can think of is Genthru who had two abilities but they were mutually exclusive in their use of transmutation. Not necessarily a flaw on transmutations part as conjuration is a really distinct category in that it can generate a wide range of effects on it's own.

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Yes, there are no women except of the mother in the zoldyck family

I doubt Zeno doesn't use manipulation to control the dragon.
>conjuration is a really distinct category in that it can generate a wide range of effects on it's own.
Well yeah, but the fact that conjuration works so well as a standalone category makes it difficult to use alongside transmutation (unlike enhancement which works well with everything).
It's hard to think of substances/properties that wouldn't require you to either detach them from your body to avoid harm (heat; cold; poison; acid...) or to manipulate them in some way in order to make them effective (liquids of all sorts; air; metal...) Furthermore, there are only so many properties and substances that exist and can be combined, and I suspect that the possibilities are quickly exhausted — unlike conjuration (where the possibilities are virtually endless) or to a lesser extent manipulation and emission.
At some point you tend to come back to the same kind of substance and properties because there are only a few that can be really useful, and transmutation doesn't allow for the kind of hyper-specific hatsu with loads of restrictions that conjuration (and sometimes manipulation) do, so a very specific property of substance will probably just be useless in most cases.

>Ignoring that terrible theory
It's not a theory.

>Killua is also faggot?
user… I… the entire series is about him being gay for Gon…

>I doubt Zeno doesn't use manipulation to control the dragon.
But you don't need manipulation to form numbers and other shapes so why would you need manipulation to otherwise deform a straight line of aura?

>that wouldn't require you to either detach them from your body to avoid harm
Using aura to counter aura is already established for some of thse cases. If Genthru can have BOMB as his aura type I think you just need to be able to use an equivalent amount of aura to save yourself from harm. Not for all types because sure, radiating heat isn't something you just block and that's the whole point of Feitan's conjured suit. But like Killua there's also a range of properties that you can just build up a resistance too which helps in utilizing that ability.

> there are only so many properties and substances that exist and can be combined
In the entire series only one transmuter actually combines two properties and that's hisoka. The rest have a single expression of their aura and maximize it to it's potential. If we're talking about limited expressions most pure emitters just shoot aura. Teleportation is also fairy simplistic if not mixed with conjuration as the target can only really swap places with someone in the visible range.

i think you're being a bit too critical on the limitations of Transmutation. I don't rank the categories because that misses the point at the end of the day but Transmuters categorically have some powerful users in the story.

We've seen during the Chrollo fight that he made specific hand movements to steer the dragon, what is that if not manipulation?
>Not for all types
I can't think of any other types where you wouldn't need some kind of protection that aura alone can't provide.
>build up a resistance
That's a fringe case, Tsezguerra and Bisky were both amazed/spooked by Killua's choice of hatsu. You'd have to chug poison for a decade to be able to make it into an effective ability
>only one transmuter actually combines two properties
Bisky arguably does too but her masseuse is complicated and uses different categories anyway.
But yes, you're right. If anything that's another limitation of transmutation
>most pure emitters just shoot aura
Franklin and Razor showed how deadly just shooting aura alone could be.
Teleportation can be used to swap people, to warp body parts and actions (presumably shots, etc), and emission can also be used to detect things as Ging showed. It's quite versatile on its own, very practical and handy even without a specific hatsu in mind. And then you only have to master a bit of manipulation and that opens your emission hatsu up to a myriad of possibilities.
>you're being a bit too critical
Maybe. My original point was that emission was the best type anyway, I just ranked transmutation last because taking everything into account (type compatibilities, hatsu seen so far...), it doesn't offer as many possibilities as other types and it seems to me like it's just in an awkward position and isn't that great once you've exhausted the main possibilities.
>I don't rank the categories
They can be ranked according to specific criteria, in a vacuum maybe you're right that they can't be ranked but my own criterion was overall utility.

>what is that if not manipulation?
Manipulation and articulation of aura are two different things in this case and hands being needed to articulate aura that's extended well beyond the user is seen for bothfor both Hisoka and Zeno. Do you think Hisoka has less precision in using bungee gum with his feet because his affinity for manipulation is weaker with them?
>I can't think of any other types where you wouldn't need some kind of protection that aura alone can't provide.
That's your imagination being limited because you only need protection from volatile substances. You don't need protection from bungee gum as Hisoka is never once stuck on his own ability. Machi and Zeno likewise just make stuff that's there or pick traits like "sharp" for Gon's scissors
>If anything that's another limitation of transmutation
I wouldn't consider it a limitation because it's not like one-substance users are inferior to composite ones.
>Franklin and Razor showed how deadly just shooting aura alone could be.
The force at which you can shoot doesn't change the fact that the expression is just shooting aura.
>Teleportation can be used to swap people
So far that's the only thing pure emissions can be attributed with. Locational teleportation is always emissions + conjuration (Hotel Rafflesia, Indoor fish, Scream)
>it doesn't offer as many possibilities as other types
It's weird you think this because to me, the top of the hexagon (Emissions, Enhancement, Transmuatation) are all foundational skills in nen. Everyone should know how to detach their aura. Everyone should practice Ren, Ten, Ken daily. And everyone needs to know how to shape their aura. Also consider that you literally couldn't have most of the nen beasts in the story without transmutation as pure aura doens't look like animals. In terms of utility Transmutation should go below Conjuration but not below something like manipulation. If I must I would put emissions below enhancement.

Bungee gum can be manipulated manually because of its properties, being elastic and all. I don't know if it's the same for the dragon.
>imagination being limited
It goes back to the point I made earlier. You take Hisoka as an example because his hatsu is good, but right now could you come up with a substance that 1. doesn't need manipulation to be good 2. doesn't need to be shielded against by the user 3. is as versatile and useful as bungee gum? Bungee gum is the best, Machi's strings come second. But transmutation is about shape and physical properties, and there is a limited set of shapes and physical properties that can be emulated, let alone useful ones. There's a glass ceiling of sorts. As for Zeno we don't have enough info on his hatsu to judge anyway, because "dragon" isn't a substance but a shape, so we'd have to know if he imbues it with any specific properties beyond just making it look cool and having his own inherently powerful aura do the rest.
>the expression is just shooting aura
The basic expression, yes. Detaching it, to be more exact and broad.
>that's the only thing pure emissions can be attributed with
Is there a source for this somewhere? I don't think Leorio's punch was using anything else than emission.
>nen beats
Nen beasts always use a complex combination of all types anyway. You need to transmute aura into the shape of the beast, then use emission to detach it from you, and as for what gives the nen beast its specific abilities in the case of the princes, I have no idea. Do you?
>foundational skills
Sure, but this doesn't say anything about their inherent utility when applied to hatsu.
>not below something like manipulation
Manipulation is very versatile. See people like Morel and Pouf. Or even just Morel and Zakuro if you think Pouf doesn't count. When you start applying manipulation to your own body or to a substance/aura itself and don't just rehash Illumi/Shalnark's ability, it opens up a lot of possibilities.

Walls of text after walls of text… this thread feels like I’m actually reading Hunter X Hunter. Good work, guys.

>Gon loses the ability to use Nen
>fucks off with his sister (male) to cuddle fuck until Alluka hits puberty
Transmuters really are fickle fucks.

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it's the best you got when new chapter never ever

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>Rude brats need to be punished
Could rape correct Feitan?

The zoldyck are a bunch of sexual deviants. A masochist, shota, crossdresser and tranny. Why else do you think hxh is so popular amongst fujos?

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>Bungee gum can be manipulated manually because of its properties
What do you think is happening when aura is shaped and moves? Are manipulation and articulation the same thing in your head?
>but right now could you come up with a substance that
String. Can be used for environmental traps, And can similarly be used to control people via puppetry and binding them. Can also function as healing sub-ability for certain damage types.
>because "dragon" isn't a substance but a shape
That's my point. Transmutation is about giving aura physical properties and changing it's shape. Zeno's dragon only need the force of aura behind it and "sharp" for it's fangs.

>Detaching it, to be more exact and broad.
For offensive capabilities shooting aura is the main one for pure emissions. Otherwise you just make blobs of aura that sit there and do what?

>Nen beasts always use a complex combination
Yes and that's still to say that you need transmutation if you're not conjuring it.

> Do you?
Only as the story describes.
>but this doesn't say anything about their inherent utility when applied to hatsu.
I thought it did, if everyone would be better off learning it there's implied utility. Nobody really needs to practice manipulation and conjuration at the end of the day but everyone should practice the three I mentioned because you can get a lot even out of basic applications. Enhancement has the most utility in this respect.
>Morel
Morel is one of the best manipulators in part because his medium of manipulation is literally transmuted smoke. This gives him a world of options since he can freely change the shape and look of his smoke constructs and also can create unbreakable tethers and walls. But on it's own manipulation is a very conditional category. There are strict requirements for the tools that can be used, or the host places themselves at great risk just to make contact. Also most pure manipulators control people which has it's own stipulations.

His mom wanted a girl and didn't have one, so she dressed up the youngest son as a girl and made he act like one.

Maybe it's part of their training.

>Are manipulation and articulation the same thing in your head?
Where do you draw the line?
>String
I mentioned Machi.
>Only as the story describes
What do you mean? It was a genuine question, what gives the nen beasts their specific abilities?
>I thought it did
Them being useful for the basics doesn't mean they're the most useful period. Nobody needs to practice manipulation and conjuration but the hatsu with the broadest utility seen so far (Hide&Seek/Scream) is mainly conjuration.
Also, it kind of depends on your hatsu anyway. Someone with a pure manipulation ability like Shalnark wouldn't get anything out of transmutation or emission. The only universally useful category is enhancement, and even then, it's probably not that good of an idea to waste your time training it a lot if you're a manipulator or a conjurer.
From what we've seen during GI, people usually train their main category + a little bit of their two adjacent categories (or one if they're a manipulator/conjurer).
>transmuted smoke
I don't remember, was it directly confirmed that the smoke isn't conjured? Anyway yes you're right but I mentioned Morel, Zakuro and Pouf to illustrate the fact that manipulation doesn't have to be about mind control and is not as narrow as it's usually made out to be. There's also Kalluto as another example.
>manipulation is a very conditional category
That's what makes it and conjuration so effective and powerful, trading some versatility for an exceptionally efficient ability.
>most pure manipulators control people
That's on them, really.
Even then it's not that bad. Hit your win con and it's over, no ifs or buts. Manipulation is the only category where activating your hatsu can mean instant and automatic victory.

>Where do you draw the line?
Articulation is moving your aura in specific ways. Manipulation involves imparting orders or commands that are more akin to computer code and triggers. Telling bungee gum to contract is manipulation, shaping aura is transmutation.
>I mentioned Machi.
She's still the first thing I would think of. If you don't like that I'd pick smoke, it's been shown to be very versatile in two different hatsu. Not either of those? I've headcanon'd a martial artist who creates a metal-like aura that gets heavier depending on situation with the idea that he shapes it into tools and weapons and otherwise coats himself in it to boost his defense and offense. There's less expression for environmental fuckery like bungee gum but the potential for melee domination is there.

>Them being useful for the basics doesn't mean they're the most useful period.
Utility is directly related to usefulness. Teleportation for example is neat but few people have a practical need to teleport on the day to day. However, everyone needs to be able to use ten/ren/ken as nen users aren't strangers to combat. On that alone enhancement has more utility and also practicality compared to emissions because it directly benefits and is trained by 2/4 of the foundational abilities and also influences others like gyo and ko. I think the word you are looking for is versatility.

>was it directly confirmed that the smoke isn't conjured?
The term used in japanese translates to "aura of smoke" and outside the initial use of it to blind peon soldiers it's consistent with something that's transmuted down to the pipe working even underwater.

>That's what makes it and conjuration so effective and powerful,
Yes, but it also means it has less utility to categories that don't require a medium to control something or even a target for control. And if you're not controlling a human the ability likely requires another category or lots of prep.

Good talk btw.

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Nyaruhodo

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>Telling bungee gum to contract is manipulation
So transmuting aura into a certain shape, then having it perform complex movements is manipulation; every kind of movement that isn't a strict consequence of mechanical forces exerted by the user is manipulation. Meaning that transmuting aura into a liquid would just have it fall on the floor and be useless, for example. It would be fine with your metal example, though transmuting aura into something that isn't malleable would restrict movement
>Utility is directly related to usefulness
No what I mean is that something being good to learn in order to have a solid basis upon which to build your own style doesn't imply that these basics in themselves are superior to other categories.
>few people have a practical need to teleport
Really? I'd do that shit all the time if it were possible. Forget the flashy offensive hatsu, give me something like Hide and Seek, Black Voice or any kind of emission-teleportation ability any day.
Furthermore, Nobunaga himself put it well, fighters can always be replaced but specific abilities with niche utility are always in high demand; thus, more useful. I think any proficient emitter with large scale teleportation capabilities would qualify as such
>everyone needs to be able to use ten/ren/ken
>enhancement has more utility
Yes, I agree with those, as I said above there's a foundation upon which nen users then decide to branch out into their own specialties. Enhancement indeed has more practicality, but paradoxically, it's more practical for nen users that don't have it as a primary type, because it's great to know some enhancement but being an enhancer gives you fewer possibilities for a hatsu that's useful in non-combative situations (Palm being the only exception iirc).
>less utility
It's very synergistic with emission.
>another category
Not necessarily, you can manipulate things in your own body, or a non-conjured object (see the Troupe's initial assumptions about Kurapika)

All the kids except Killua take after their mother who is a nutcase. There is a stark difference between the white haired Zoldycks and the dark haired ones. Especially their assassin mentality..

I think I'm having a headache trying to read this post.
Anyway, Pouf best ant

What's unclear?

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