LET'S SETTLE THIS
Super Saiyan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto and Luffy whatever forms
At least use the actual color dumbass
Luffy's G5 is white though
Luffy's hair isn't golden lol
He's a black and white cartoon
I think Luffy is supposed to be white.
I-Ichigobros...
Anyone that associates luffy G5 hair being yellow is huge give away that they don't know what they're talking about.
how so?
uuuuhhhh... ichigobros.... what about us?....
SS>6 paths>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cartoon shit
looks
You're not going to add Saint Seiya?
Is Bleach actually worth getting into? Is it as good as Naruto at least? Only thing I know is main character has no goal and everyone just fights with swords which sounds boring.
Super Saiyan is classic as hell, the other two are literal whos in comparison.
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>One Piece
>literally the most popular manga and anime of all time worldwide
>literal whos
One Piece faggots pretending they even come close to the influence of Dragon Ball since the 80s is fucking hilarious. One Piece straight up rips from Dragon Ball as part of being a shonen action manga.
Dragonball rips off Superman and Journey to the West way more than One Piece rips off Dragonball.
It’s ghost samurai who fight ghost monsters then everyones swords start evolving in battle like Pokemon and there’s magic archers and wizards and conspiracies.
Its solid entertainment
And Superman rips off Gilgamesh, if you go vack far enough. Playing “Who had the most original premise” is a retarded game that no one wins
>Superman rips off Gilgamesh
Not really to the extent Dragonball rips off Superman and Journey to the West. Just very basic (and very few) surface level similarities unlike how Dragonball DIRECTLY rips stuff off the two sources I mentioned. Goku's character is an actual direct parody, not implied, direct, of Sun Wukong, even putting wukong's growing staff and a canonical scene with a 'moon rabbit'. For Superman comparisons there's:
>black haired human-looking super strong alien sent to Earth from exploding planet
>shoots beam attacks from body part (which DC and Marvel comics have been doing way before DB)
>fights brethren from said planet and then fights aliens from all over the galaxy then the entire multiverse
>super strength, flight, mental abilities, ki/chi (yes, this is an actual thing in Superman comics)
>"main" villain is a space tyrant who wants complete conquest and has blown up planets
>Superman already had his own version of Ultra Instinct way before it was a thing in DB, evil clones, time travel, etc. a lot more shit
Meanwhile going back to the original point, One Piece doesn't really copy that much directly from Dragonball.
FPBP
Seethe pisspants
that's not even the actual color
to enjoy bleach, you need to have "it"
the heart
I like the artstyle but everyone being a swordsman sounds bland. Are there other fighting styles or they're just swinging with bigger explosions?
Their shikais and bankais change some of their weapons.
Even at its worst nobody ever dared to suggest Bleach was worse than Naruto. It's more style than substance but never pretends to be otherwise. The middle arc drags at times but the end of the series is a rush of fanservice and excitement.
"Swords" is not an accurate description. All weapons transform and have unique abilities.
You started it though you fucking mong.
Lol and people say Kubo was inspired by Dragonball. None of Ichigo's forms look like Super Saiyan and if DB didn't exist Bleach still would.
If anything it takes from Yu Yu Hakusho.
even just SS1 goku should have been easily able to blow up the whole planet
Kubo is a huge Tao Pai Pai fag
why the fuck are they doing this shitty oh my yellow hair
(raughs)
>Even at its worst nobody ever dared to suggest Bleach was worse than Naruto.
user isn't wrong. Though Bleach threads are garbage now, they used to be some of the best on Yea Forums, even if it was all memes.
>and people say Kubo was inspired by Dragonball.
Because he is. Why do you think he puts so much effort into the villains in Bleach? He's gone on record of stating that he absolutely loves the villains in Dragon Ball, which he reflect s in his own work.
This is dumb and will never be Canon. Actually is not even that dumb. This is conceptually cool but looks like shit and will never be Canon.
I'm going to guess he's the braided guy Kubo keeps drawing in the WSJ collabs.
Because Bleach wasn't influenced by DB, Kubo was inspired by Saint Seiya and Gegege no Kitaro to create Bleach
But Naruto's super saiyan equivalent is pic related
Yep. Kubo Tite is one of the 'Dragon Ball Children', along Oda and Kishimto: as in his generation grew up on Dragon Ball.
Dragon Ball Children - Volume 6 - Tite Kubo
>"I liked the villains."
>“Which do you think is stronger: the Kamehameha, or the Dodonpa?”
>This is my oldest memory of having a conversation about Dragon Ball. At the time, I was still in elementary school. On the way home from school, I was having a heated debate with my friends on this topic.
>My opinion at the time was, “The Dodonpa is definitely stronger!” The brevity between setup and firing, and the forcefulness of the yell when firing, to say nothing of the fact that, in contrast to the Kamehameha, which is fired with both hands, it has that much power with just one finger. Really, I could only think that, no matter how you looked at it, the Dodonpa was stronger. And, the fact that he possessed chilling fearsomeness and presence enough to convince you — to make you think that he might actually kill Goku with the Dodonpa. The world’s greatest assassin, Tao Pai-pai.
>To me, Dragon Ball is “a manga where the villains are incredibly cool”.
>I don’t mean that I disliked the heroes’ side. I just liked the villains. Starting with the aforementioned Tao Pai-pai, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, Raditz, Vegeta, Nappa, Zarbon, Dodoria, Ginyu, Recoom, and of course, Freeza… Once you start writing the names, there’s no end. It’d be harder to find a villain that I dislike.
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>Pretty much all of them had a screwy aspect to their personalities, but that just made their strength and their fearsomeness stand out all the more (the biggest collection of such was probably Majin Boo). They were truly so cool that you’d get chills. And, precisely because the villains were so cool, when they were defeated, they would carry out their greatest role, which was to emphasize the heroes’ coolness. To this day, I’ve never experienced a shock from any battle comic surpassing the scene where Trunks first appears, and I surely never will.
>A villain must be strong, fearsome, and cool. No exceptions. What drilled that into me was, without a doubt, Dragon Ball. Even now, whenever I open up Dragon Ball, I renew those feelings. And, whenever I turn the page, I get chills, just as much as I did back then.
Did they all drink orange gatorade?
Says nothing about Kubo being inspired by DB to create Bleach and says more about him being a fan of the series. But you want to know which series had the biggest influence on Kubo? Saint Seiya and Kitaro.
You'd see the influence if you read both series. Soul Society/Hueco Mundo are eerily similar to Sanctuary and Asgard. Even the Gotei 13 are just the Gold Saints.
>Q: Which artists influenced you then, made you feel like it would be really cool to become a professional manga artist?
>Tite Kubo: Hmm. My number one favorite manga then was Ge Ge Ge no Kitaro (by Shigeru Mizuki)! I've always liked the yokai (monsters) in that series. The other one that I liked a lot is Saint Seiya (a.k.a. Knights of the Zodiac by Masami Kurumada) -- the characters all wear armor and have interesting weapons.
>Q: Huh! I guess that makes sense. I can kind of see some of the influence of both series in Bleach -- the Japanese supernatural themes from Ge Ge Ge no Kitaro and the weaponry and battle scenes from Saint Seiya.
Tite Kubo: Yes, I think so, definitely.
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Yammy and Ulquiorra are literally Nappa and Vegeta.
Why can't it be both? It's obvious Kubo shows his love for Dragon Ball through the his love for writing villains and it's obvious Bleach borrows from Saint Seiya and Kitaro.
because fanfags love to pointlessly bleed tribalism about everything.
>Freeza is one of the most influencial vilain in shounen
Based.
Kubo must have been happy as fuck when Ryūsei Nakao was chosen to voice Mayuri. Not only having Freeza voice Mayuri was the perfect role, Kubo got to hear one of his favorite villains from his childhood voiced by a character he created. That's some grade A childhood dream fulfillment right there.
thanks for the reads user. it's interesting reading about what things influenced an author you grew up with.
>halloween store mask
>shoulder pad
>scarf and bandages
>half of mask
>long girly hair
>one sleeve off
>long girly hair plus bandages around body
Is this supposed to look cool?
he was lightspeed already this far back
Yeah, I'm not even sure why people still bother.
It's on the same tier than asking if [insert sci-fi group] could [insert main wh40k group].
You are trying to setup a chuunibyou competition between 3 normal people and an actual chunni.
100%, it’s a lot of style, A LOT. I’ve read/watched it on and off over the last decade and have never gotten past like volume 35. But i’ve been sick this week and finally decided to read it all. Up to like volume 43 right now. God damn I love the style. A lot of questions tho, a lot of questions
>why did urahara choose rukia to hide the hogyuku inside
>why did aizen want ichigo to get so powerful (i know about ichigos blood, but is that really all there is to why)
And Yu Yu Hakusho.
>imagine believing this
its literally said that he's all white, even the clothes.
>Characters grow more powerful when they turn Blonde
Based?
I love how such a great mc ENTER is immediately humiliated. Only in One Piece.
Been loving how Kaido keeps on fucking up Luffy despite his powerup. He does not disappoint
first of all DB is based on journey to the west, tfym ripped off it was written hundreds of years ago. Second of all the only way it rips of superman is by making Goku an alien, that is the only part.
Naruto, Hxh, One Piece, and countless other anime directly rip off many many elements of Dragon Ball. The tournament arcs, the power blasts, the 9 tails is like the great saiyan ape, Gon is just le sad goku, Luffy is also basically the same character as Goku.
ofc not, One Piece copies from Romancing Saga 2, IRL stuff and like two books
At this point it is basically Bleach > Naruto > Dragon Ball > One Piece.