Ass pull or not?

Ass pull or not?

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Yes. A retcon asspull!

Oda somehow pulled off an asspull, a retcon, and a plothole all in one.

One Piece, like every other shounen out there is full of asspuls let's be real:
>OH MY GEAR 2/3/4/5
>OH MY GOING MERRY
>OH I DIED BUT NOT REALLY LOL
>OH MY ASURA
>OH MY DIABLE JAMBE
>OH MY MIRAGE TEMPO
>OH MY MY SECOND BROTHER

we already went over this. the answer is if you thought gear 1 was an asspull or not

Isn't the hair and clothes supposed to be white??

Not a conventional asspull, Oda can pretty much save face for any single development he might introduce given he can "foreshadow" anything he wants given he has 1000+ chapters to research from. This is a dickpull, the transformation explanation is cheap as fuck. It served no purpose to convert the fruit into a Zoan... And suddenly, fruit's god tier, poof. I feel like Oda will backpedal from this, given the Joyboy shit was put aside a bit too, becoming just schizo shit nobody cares about. Luffy is still free as in freedom, and the toon shit also got turned down for the best really. It's like Oda and his editor were drunk and that out the shittiest presentation of a power up ever. It had to be fixed in the most recent chapters, for fucks sake. I'm glad Oda rectified. Still, one of the stupidest developments in the manga, terrible timing to introduce the power up, horrible backstory that doesn't make sense and is forgettable as fuck, while it kinda toned down the hakishit, it's obviously still Hakishit... But, the transformation is good, the toon stuff was fun and it doesn't really drag on too much for once, given Oda loves to repeat his gags and shit. All in all, a masqueraded dickpull, tied with a shitty revelation and an obvious backlash that had to be put down on a different path. One of the worst developments of the manga, that's fortunately getting stopped.

the fact that gear 2 3 and 4 were techniques luffy invented himself and gear 5 is just a ssj type transformation that luffy did not purposefully activate

this makes luffy's haki training filler even more insulting knowing that it didn't amount to anything narratively

>inb4 getting called an edgefag by bleach drinkers naruto suckers

The only true asspull is that this transformation for some reason brought him back from the brink of death
Awakening as a whole has been built up since Dressrosa, so really it was only a matter of time before Luffy's (especially after Law and Kidd)
But seriously why tf did this form give him a 2nd-(3rd?)-wind?

As someone who never read the series, i admit i like this design. Interesting to see it cause so much backlash.

the 2nd wind shit is what bothers me the most. I can understand his heart pumping again to at least stop him from dying because now he can control his rubber shit 100% freely now, but that doesn't just make him senzu beaned up.

Nope

literally not a single soul has said the look of it is the problem. i don't think you've ever read anything period.

imagine if Marvel revealed that Spiderman's powers never came from the radioactive spider and he was a omega level mutant this whole time. It's this bad

>Literally
Not even what i said, fucking one piss fans. Proving to be the most cancerous fan base once again.

>he doesn't know about the spider god and the destiny of the spider people
fucking casuals

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second brother is the worst by far the rest don't even come close

is this a bot? you're making zero sense so I'm assuming it is.

I am a single soul, the look is pretty dumb
Really it is just the flaming hair, and somewhat the eyebrows
Like why? Just because it is the sun god did it REALLY need Super Saiyan hair?
And as a side issue- the fans reeeeally can't decide on how tf it is even supposed to be colored; if at all.

Gear 1 doesn't change the Gomu Gomu to a Hito Hito

No, you're literally just retarded.

i agree with the fire hair. us knowing now it's because of it being the sun god fruit it's stupid, but if we didn't/it was still the gum gum fruit i would like it more since it ties into redhawk and stuff like that.

you
>i don't read one piece, but i like the design! why is everyone complaining?
me
>it's obviously never been about the design to begin with, it's with other stuff.
you
>WTF I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS ABOUT THE DESIGN DURRRRRRRRRRRR

lol

it would have been a lot better if there was some throwaway line about a name changed fruit(s) earlier in the story. There were enough "how's he doing that with just rubber" for it to be somewhat plausible but the whole not foreshadowed name change is where it comes off as bad writing

>this is your average reading comprehension from one piss fans
Wew lad. Enjoy the last (You).

>zero explaining on how you're right
>just calls me wrong
>trying to end the conversation
yup it is a bot.

A mythical zoan
Wtf oda the whole point was for lufy to jump to the next stage in his paramecia rubber fruit not some stupid yiff god

It's based and anyone that says otherwise is seething

>b-but muh mythical zoan

Keep seething edge cuck

>suddenly activated when he got KO'd
Yes.

Yes, this coloring was made before he was said to be all white.

>now Luffy even got a blond hair
Oda really went too far with copying Goku nowadays.

>Blond
It's white

That's still copying Super Saiyan White then...

Ass shove

I think it's Zoan awakening giving stamina regen like the Impel Down guards.

Stamina regen is one thing, and Luffy does bounce back in fights before this
But come on, he was down for the absolute count, and he comes back raring to go.
He even tires out then goes right back into his awakening. I can suspend my disbelief for a whacky story like this, but you have to maintain SOME level of consistency

My dude, have you seen Naruto? The competition isn't doing much else. Naruto spent years with Jiraiya just to throw a really big rasengan in one scene and it was completely ineffective. Oda stretched this training out for almost a decade in real life. It's time to move on.

The powers themselves aren't since they could just have been his fruits awakening mixed with haki but turning it into a mythical chosen one fruit was.

Exactly this

except no one would be outraged if spiderman turned out like that, just like no one cares about this one, people still like one piece, and him becoming nika in fact is seen positively by most fans.

Anyone with any care invested in how Peter is a normal person faced with extraordinary circumstances would be aggravated.
Then again, Luffy hasn't been normal since the whole "D." wanking shenanigans, so I don't know why people think this is what removes agency from him.

Fucking Yea Forumsmblr I swear

Gear 5 itself isn't an issue.
We knew Luffy was gonna awaken his fruit.
We knew awakening powers can be sorta crazy.

The only issue is the gomu gomu fruit turning out to be the super special legendary chosen one fruit that evaded the world government for 800 years

nothing about that really seems to undermine the story specially when law and kid literally just beat big mom with normal fruits just chapters ago.

oda is using the nika fruit to further connect the current story to the story of 800 years ago, he is not using this twist as "a quick way to take down kaido because he ran out of ideas" (again, he could have just said luffy awakened and used haki to use gear 5 just like kid/law did to beat big mom) but he is intentionally connecting luffy to nika so he can do more parallels and storytelling on the last arc, why are people so damn blind?

>OH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>H

Dude...

Source: your ass.

comics have been on downward spiral for a while so it's safe to assume everyone that once cared for the character already moved on with their lives so that user kinda has a point.

fucking Batman vs Fortnite was the most sold comic in recent history, just saying

>oda is using the nika fruit to further connect the current story to the story of 800 years ago
It was not necessary though. We already have the "D." name and the straw hat. This Nika stuff is just awful, it doesn't make the story better in any way.
What did we gain from this, plot wise?

>Spider people
yes
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this is my take from someone who has read the series weekly from 2000 onwards if anyone gives a shit
one point I have not seen much attention to is that within the story, Luffy has and will continue to uniquely carry the experience of a Devil Fruit user who used Awakening without knowing the true nature of his fruit. That fact alone gives room for his power growth to be more bombastic that anything we've seen in the story so far.
I see Gear 2/3/4 simply as Luffy trying to channel the true nature of the fruit in more drastic stages. G2 he learns to move the fluid (blood) in his body to manipulate his muscles. G3 he learns to manipulate his size by blowing air into his rubber bones. G4 was a logical advancement of him retaining rubber properties while capitalizing on haki. G5 is a mix of all these things and more. Manifesting his power not just as a "rubber man" but as a "god who had the body of rubber" lends him attributes of a mythical creature that not only fought as a rubber man, but lived as one.

why does no one realize that to awaken the fruit he had to train?
The power wasn't handed to him, he had to make it work. As a kid he couldn't even throw a punch without being ragdolled by the recoil

it all comes down to people taking "joyboy has returned" way too literally and in the two weeks of pause they wrote entire fanfics as to what that line meant.
Sadly it stuck and most people with no critical thinking keep parroting it

Retconned into a zoan with only one xhapter explaining why its not bullshit.

Fucking oda unironically makes me want to call it one piss. I mean i can understand the awakening since its been hinted at forever and expanding on the seemingly limited rubber fruit would have made it way better than some bs mythical zoan imagination god fruit

nah, not really.

hints were there
>his ability was always on while most paramecia have an off switch save for Buggy, I think.
Also none of them have as many altered states as he does, the only other fruit user with altered states is chopper, a zoan.

>our dude got his ass beat on multiple occasions and some have been serious losses.
>there have been other users of the fruit, but they never were able to utlize the ability as well.

couldn't have handled Caesar so easily without it, also how the fuck is he going to deal with the admirals?.


Speaking of which. There are bigger threats than Kaido that are in plain sight and have been looming for over ten years

>admirals
>zoro's final fight with Mihawk
>B.B.
>ETC.
They are going to have to fight them eventually, honestly how the fuck are you going to counter shit like magma and light without an Abilitity like this?

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>how the fuck are you going to counter shit like magma and light without an Abilitity like this?
The thing is that 95% those powers could be explained by a rubber fruit awakening.
The issue is not how powerful he is now.

I don't know man, ace got fisted. Seemed like they would need something more to defeat these mofos.
This isn't nearly as bad as other series "asspulls" who knows, everything might be smoothed out when we get a reveal for how devil fruits were made near the end of the series.

>Awakening Power
Fine, not going to pretend shit like special mochi paramecia or Law's entire fruit make sense either. Rubber Fruit gets toon force, why not? I don't even know why Kaido bothered to point out it's unusual for a paramecia as if DFs have been following any coherent category rules for the last couple years.
>Hito Hito no Mi: Sun God Nika
Bad for 3 reasons:
1) Retcon/plothole

2) Pretty much grants Luffy divine right as the inheritor of Joy Boy's will (like Ace/Sabo, which is also dog shit). Luffy isn't just emulating Joy Boy in spirit, he's endorsed with his mythological zoan, one of the rarest fruits in the world that the government hunted above all others.

3) A core, fundamental aspect of his character was fucked with. This is on top of Wano confirming that Luffy approves of slavery when it benefits him, and payed close attention to Oden's long and boring life story.

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