The better anime: Samurai Champloo or Cowboy Bebop? Why?

They are both voiced by Steave Blum.

Samurai Champloo obviously.
Cuckboy Bepoop is fucking garbage.

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Neither. Enjoy them fully as separate entities with individual messages and themes that work in both their universes favor.

Space Western bounty hunters

There are so many good anime that I don't even bother with anime where I don't like the art style, the music or the setting. From what I have seen I don't like Samurai Champloo. It may be great but I just can't bother. So Cowboy Bebop is for me even though the opening is a blatant ripoff from Gunsmith Cats.

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Feel free to convince me otherwise. Maybe I'm too harsh and I have to give samurai champloo a chance.

God this is embarrassing. The moment you finish Samurai Champloo you will immediately stop liking CB and realize how stupid you sound right now.

Bebop is expositional, thematic, and cinematographic low hanging fruit. The prospect of making a "jazzy space western" should instantly dissuade any renown director or writer from contributing to the production of what is functionally a marvel flick: pseuds flock to this stuff like flies to shit. Champloo manages to synthesize a unique theme and setting, has better characters/characterization, a better soundtrack, and the best ED. The most glaring issue with Champloo is the ending which is arguably better than bebops insofar as attempting to construct a themtically consistent happy ending is more profound than hamfisting a tear bait tragedy done better by the Hollywood westerns it was ripped from.

Everyone jerks off Bebop so I went in expecting more and was kinda disappointed
I really liked Champloo, have rewatched it twice and it's still good.

So Champloo is objectively superior because I enjoyed it more.

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>Zoomer: Samurai Champloo
>Doomer: Cowboy Bebop
>Boomer: Space Dandy

the main appeal of champloo is the vibe and character dynamics, there's no way someone can convice you to watch it with words. there's a reason why people tell you to try an episode or 3 of a show.

Am i supposed to watch samurai in sub or dub

Never watch any anime dubbed. Japanese VAs are their A list actors. They have much better range and depth than their western counterparts even if they can be a bit annoying

Full metal alchemist says you're wrong

it's probably the only show I'd recommend dubbed.

Grown ass men self inserting as spike should be shot but that would probably get them off so I instead wish them long and happy lives knowing that they will inevitably grow out of their pre pubescent delusion

Bebop because it’s animated in cels

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>Never watch any anime dubbed.
Black Lagoon Dub is far superior to is sub, so you are wrong and stupid.

Bebop has Ed and Faye that’s it

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>mugen's big fight is some literally whos he pissed off a million years ago, no excuse given as to why they're so strong
>jin's big fight is ruined by a death fakeout into "le suicide attack" that kills his opponent and doesn't even result in his death
>our heroes part ways for literally no reason when people thought mugen and fuu would at least leave together
in bebop we knew the adventures couldn't last forever, but at least they gave a ton of closure. You know Jet will keep doing his thing, Faye might even stay with him, and you know exactly where Ed and Spike are, you got to say goodbye to those characters, and the ending felt much more like an end to a story
Champloo they literally just walk down three different paths despite the fact that they all would be dead several times over by now without each other. Nothing has changed for any of them except that I guess Jin probably won't be hunted anymore (because his old master's disciples are all dead) and Fuu isn't looking for her father. Why wouldn't they all stay together?

>Japanese VAs are their A list actors
If this is true, it's only because the regular live action actors are total trash. Not because the VAs are good.

except i watched champloo when it was airing and it wasn't that good. think you're gaslighting us all

If you think a downer ending for Cowboy Bebop is thematically inconsistent with the show as a whole, you weren't paying attention.

fuu>all bebop girls
also

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champloo, much more fun and enjoyable. bebop has quite a few of boring episodes

Liking Champloo over Bebop isn't even that contrarian of a take so for fuck's sake can some of you people give genuine reasons for why you prefer it instead of posturing?

Bebop has the higher highs but every single episode of Champloo is gold while Bebop has some stinkers

Literally just finished watching Champloo and it was so much better than I remembered it. It is also a lot more somber than I recalled; there were a lot of serious moments all throughout it. I don't know why I had this idea in my head that it was goofier than Bebop, they're pretty on par in terms of seriousness.
Champloo feels a little more classical in its approach to tragedy whereas Bebop was more innovative, which makes sense considering the setting.
I think the deciding factor might be the main cast: Bebop's cast is great, but it was a little too disperse. Keeping it reduced to 3 really allowed everyone to shine one way or another, and all the MCs we distinct enough from each other to make them stand out. Their dynamic was fantastic and the best aspect of the series. After some reconsideration I find myself liking Champloo better.

>characters are more fun/have a better dynamic
>ending was a lot better
>cool old hip-hop theme
>fuu

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I've watched both and I think the sub is better because it lets you appreciate better the use of modern language.
>but the English dub also uses modern language
That is true, but you'd be missing out on all the anglicisms the sub has, for example. Also, the baseball episode is funnier in the sub.

Thank you user. I need to rewatch Champloo some time soon, right now I prefer Bebop because its episodes had more emotional impact on me but I have a hard time choosing between which show's soundtrack I prefer

>but I have a hard time choosing between which show's soundtrack I prefer
same. personally I like SC soundtrack more, it's really laid back. Picking a hip-hop based soundtrack for an edo period Japan is really genius honestly. SC doesn't even feel like a 2000's anime, it feels timeless to me

Bebop does more right, Champloo does less wrong

what exactly did bebop do wrong though?

>it feels timeless to me
Precisely, I hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out. The blending of time periods and style really helps to cement it as being outside of time. Not even the animation has a distinct decade identity (although I might just be ignorant on that front).

Timeless is a really good way to describe it. Bebop definitely feels distinctly more vintage both for what it's trying to go for and how it aged in retrospect.

It's curious how despite being set in the future it feels more like something of a time capsule, both in style and theme. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, I just prefer timelessness.

Mugen gets a lot of the attention, deservedly so, and Fuu is a great character a lot of people love too, but how'bout Jin? No love for my boy?

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I'm not sure where I stand on it honestly, both are very impressive to me. I will say that Bebop has a lot of anachronisms that give it a really fresh and unique feel for the time though.
He deserves so much more love, I remember him being very funny in subtle ways.

I love Jin a lot actually. I thought he was ok up until the episode when he met shino and was trying to get her out of prostitution, it just gave him a lot more depth. I can't pick a favorite between any of the characters, they all work so well together

underrated girl

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Both are pretty mediocre.

>I will say that Bebop has a lot of anachronisms that give it a really fresh and unique feel for the time though.
Are those anachronisms unintentional?
Champloo's anachronisms are a part of its identity, they are purposeful. Not to throw shit at Bebop, jut pointing out how one common aspect is accidental in one series but not in the other.
> I remember him being very funny in subtle ways.
Yeah, he was. Despite being so serious he also had a lot of goofiness going on, just more more covered up. He was a lot like Mugen in a way, he just expressed it differently. For example, you'd expect him to wait for Fuu to start eating, but he always started right away.
> I thought he was ok up until the episode when he met shino and was trying to get her out of prostitution, it just gave him a lot more depth. I can't pick a favorite between any of the characters, they all work so well together
Literally me. His first real solo episode was fantastic and really brought out the more tragic aspects of the character. His quiet compassion and devotion really helped him stand out. However, I too find myself unable to choose a favorite character.
I all honesty, I think Fuu is the most mainly of the three main characters by the virtue of being the one to incite the action and showing initiative for a lot of the episodes. The conclusion of her arc at the final episode also felt the most satisfying out of the three -although I liked all's-.

Forgot to mention you.

>Are those anachronisms unintentional?
I don't think so. The whole concept of the jazzy space western noir is super anachronistic in and of itself, especially seeing how the culture was developing at that point of the 90s anyway. Feels like a whole lot of old school Hollywood archetypes living in a future that's somehow both way past what they're supposed exist in and perfectly molded for them at the same time.

Champloo.

>Battlecry=TANK
>Shiki no Uta>Real Folk Blues
>Champloo has the superior trio

>Shiki no Uta>Real Folk Blues
Real shit

Yeah, you're right. Watanabe does seem to have a knack for mixing genres and styles. However, it feels as though jazzy space western is a more natural setting that hip hop Edo Japan, doesn't it? Like one is more obvious than the other. Perhaps that is why despite being less drawn to SC's setting than Bebop's, I find myself enjoying SC more. Among a few other reasons, of course. This does not invalidate all the merits of Bebop, which you have listed and are true.

I read manga in English, why wouldn't I watch anime in English?

depends. Personally don't like Samurais dub but CB dub is great

>However, it feels as though jazzy space western is a more natural setting that hip hop Edo Japan, doesn't it?
It's definitely a lot less unique, seeing as there were shows at the time doing the same thing sans an element or two. Just wanted to bring up a lil something in Bebop's favor.

Expanding on this it's also a lot more obvious since it's melding science fiction with something old as opposed to a historical period with something new.

Bebop has better aesthetics and a better sound track. I know it aired on adult swim as well, but it seems like a slightly less big normalfag magnet to boot.

Fair's only fair. The idea of space being "the last frontier" does really lend itself quite easily to signify "gunslingers, outlaws and bounty hunters." The jazzier aspects do stand out as being more original.

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I prefer Champloo. Spike hard carries Bebop buy Champloo everyone is great.

What is the likelihood that Fu's, Jin's, and Mugen's paths crossed again after their departure in the final episode?