Why did he stick to his ideals like an autist and let the corrupt politicians of the alliance to dictate what he should...

is this "moments women won't understand" thread

This. Reinhard was an incredible ruler, so Yang didn't want to fuck it up

I agree with this post, furthermore in a democracy where the people do not remove their corrupt leaders and replace them with others share the blame for the mismanagement as opposed to a totalitarian rule where only the leaders have responsibility to decide and thus only they are to be blamed.
Yang only tried to excuse himself from taking responsibility to salvage the alliance. He as a citizen of the alliance had a duty to overturn traitors like Trunicht

By the time Yang could kill Reinhard, it was too late for there to be a meaningful benefit to the FPA. They embarked on that stupid mission to convert some of the empire people to their side and it didn't work. Although none of the other admirals were on the same level, they probably would've embarked on a punitive campaign to kill as many FPA people as possible.

Decapitation is dangerous in political science because you can't predict what comes afterwards won't be any worse than the devil you know.

The whole coup d'état subplot was utterly retarded, because Greenhill was in the right, but the show choose to paint it as bad by inserting Reinhard's spy in the lot, a spy we're supposed to believe started an entire coup thanks to a piece of paper he got from Reinhard.
in reality a military coup does have its merits at times to root out the corruption, it may no longer be a good example today but Turkey throughout the 20th century had this exact policy of the army just staging a coup everytime someone tried to deviate from the republic's founding values, what's interesting is that they never kept the power and after each coup elections were held once again to correct the state of affairs.
so Yang's argument about Greenhill's coup being immoral because "only the citizens have the right to violate their rights" is complete bollocks, it was some "if you kill them you're just like them" tier reasoning when he compared his coup to the corrupt politicians it sought to remove.

>any better than the devil you know*

As a follow-up, I'm also cynical enough to believe that Yang wanted his corrupt government to be put out of its misery. He understood that if he overruled the president and became a military dictator, it would've led to more instability inside the FPA. Killing Reinhard would ironically destabilize both political entities and potentially lead to a lot more miseration and casualties.

"It's fine. Just fundamentally betray your beliefs, so you can show other, less honorable, people how to ruin democracy further. I'm sure that no one would ever abuse that power."
You can just tell when a poster is so young, as to not see how others will react to such actions.

>Although none of the other admirals were on the same level, they probably would've embarked on a punitive campaign to kill as many FPA people as possible.
they would've more likely been busy deciding who gets what back at home, the only thing that was holding the Empire together was Reinhard, not everyone in Odin really cared for invading the FPA as much as getting power for themselves, all the rats Reinhard had suppressed would've come back if he died right there, killing him was the correct move no matter how you look at it, I'm genuinely convinced it was only not done because the writers wanted to wank Yang with le chain of command romanticism why greenhill's daughter gave him the "I want your cock" look as he ordered a ceasefire.

Im sorry but any democracy as weak as the one showed in LoGH invariably declines into dictatorship sooner or later. Yang was in the perfect position to stop the decline in very similar fashion to how Reinhard stopped the decline of the Goldenbaum dinasty. He could have switched back to democracy after the crisis, if he was really as honorable as he said he was

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>You can just tell when a poster is so young, as to not see how others will react to such actions.
only underaged people are blinded by idealism, so don't be cheeky, adults understand when a pragmatic approach is needed to ensure their ideals continuation, the show is literally told from the perspective of historians commenting on such events and giving explanation to each decision's purpose.

Plato also believed Atlantis existed

It did exist but that is irrelevant. This trend of democracies becoming dictatorships has existed throughout history, check the last 100 years for a few examples.
Or just check what happened in LoGH although in a slightly separate fashion, the alliance got conquered and turned into a dictatorship

>MuH DeMoCrAcY iS bAd
I can take you don't have any actual knowledge on political science. Besides Plato only menitoned democracy in a sence of direct democracy which was the norm in Greek cities at that time.

okay mr.political scientist

>follow democracy
>unless you are told to do something you don't want to do
>then follow totalitarianism to get what you want
>then follow democracy
That's not a democracy, and really goes to show how broken burgerland is. The entire system having time limits, is what is supposed to prevent corruption.
Too bad you admit that the system is so broken, that you'd have to stop using it, to win.
Why?

Because sticking to your ideals makes you strong.
Why do you think Trump is the most popular president ever and going to steamroll the 2024 election?
because he isn't corrupt and believes in his ideals

There would've been infighting, of course, just like how after Alexander the Great died. But again, it's no guarantee that they wouldn't have eventually coalesced around a new autocrat who would've promised to avenge Reinhard and finish the job.

>>unless you are told to do something you don't want to do
except that's not the argument here, Trunicht clearly sold off the FPA to save himself, but keep pretending to be a retard, I will no longer engage with your bait

that might've happened, but it would've bought them time, and there is no guarantee anyone would've been as efficient as Reinhard in those upcoming years.

no he didn't. Atlantis was supposed to be a hypothetical city Plato made up to illustrate some of his philosophical ideas.
This is "colombus thought he was gonna fall off the edge of the world" tier

I don't trust random twitter accounts to try and teach philosophy. Especially something as complex as Plato's writing.
You do understand that Plato isn't someone that you can just blindly read? There's a lot of context that you can't just understand as you read.
Besides, burgerland doesn't suffer from the problems suggested in that tweet, nor is it accurate to LOTGH.

>except that's not the argument here
You're as big of a faggot as OP. OP literally said it.
>follow democracy until you need to break the rules to win

>NOOO YOU HAVE TO GIVE POLITICIANS UNLIMITED POWER IN A DEMOCRACY AND ALL THEIR DECISIONS ARE FINAL
based brainlet

>You do understand that Plato isn't someone that you can just blindly read?
why not
>There's a lot of context that you can't just understand as you read
such as?
I'm pretty sure most ideas can be summarized, Plato is no exception

>>follow democracy until you need to break the rules to win
more like follow democracy until the guy in charge is clearly no longer representing the will of the people, but wording it this way would be too detrimental for your shitty bait wouldn't it? kill yourself.

Buy time to elect more corrupt officials and, what, create an arms race when the FPA was already bankrupt?

I still think Yang Wenli deliberately killed the FPA because he knew it was impossible to reform it from within at that point in time. He believed in the ideals of democracy that the FPA once stood for, not for the FPA itself. I guess this distinction is lost on people.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_five_regimes#Democracy
Go to the sources my niggy and stop being uneducated

what kind of retarded conclusion is this? so I guess a country is better off letting itself be invaded by foreign totalitarian regimes than to sort its problems out? do you honestly think a democratic puritan such as Yang would think this way?

If he did too much work too quickly, he and his colleagues would only be rewarded with even more work until they'd be swamped. The trick is to do enough work to not get fired or have the business go belly-up but not so little as to make it too easy to have you replaced or scrapped entirely. Involving yourself with middle-upper management level concerns uninvited will only draw the ire of the people that make the final decisions.

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Im not the guy youre responding to but in this case it doesnt matter what Yang would think, that's exactly what he did

if you're not the guy I'm responding to then at least read his post first before replying, the guy clearly talks about what Yang believed.
and Yang didn't kill the FPA, he simply followed orders, not to mention that Yang sent Merkatz to mount a resistance, so clearly he didn't fancy being under Imperial rule

There are true believers in democracy who believe that totalitarianism is fundamentally incompatible with the human spirit. The thinking is somewhat Marxist actually: basically that any autocratic regime will eventually give way to reforms given enough time because no one likes living under tyranny. Maybe I'm reading far too much without evidence, but maybe there is the possibility that he wanted to give the Galactic Empire a chance to undergo a similar transformation.

doesn't the empire become a constitutional monarchy anyway, as in, a bog-standard democracy that is dumb enough to have the luxury of keeping a very rich person around for the sake of being really really rich?

you don't know what you're talking about, Marx supported every single revolution of his time, this is just a bastardized understanding of dialectical materialism.

>Why did he stick to his ideals
Because he is white

>"Yang Wen-li"
>white

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The empire-focused episodes in the remake are genuinely boring. I guess the first anime adaptation also was ultra-boring when it showed the empire side?

>remains passive while RUBINSKY destroys his democracy
white excellence even if hes chinese lmfao

That was hinted at the end of the anime. I've never read any of the novels.

Perhaps it's wrong to conflate economic theories with political systems. My bastardized reading of basic Marxist thought: is that he was a utopian who believed that the proletariat would be the grave diggers of the bourgiese. He was idealistic and drew conclusions about the human spirit in his own way. Obviously, no community regime that has been attempted on earth so far has been anything but a dystopian nightmare. But hey, maybe next time is the charm.

replace community with communist*

>7 foot twinks standing around with their lips being ''animated'' spewing retarded dialogue written by an anti-social autist who has no idea how people speak
Why does Yea Forums love this shit?

Yea Forums doesn't like it. It's just a subgroup of autistic people who found refuge on Yea Forums and are tolerated that discuss it.

>is that he was a utopian
he was literally the first socialist who called his predecessors utopians as an insult, again you have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't know, it seems pretty highly rated and well bellowed. This anime so boring and it doesn't have good dialogue or some kind of artistic merit to it so you could say ''you were filtered, VHG... you just don't get it.'' It doesn't have an excuse for how boring it is. The politics and dialogue is so shallow it's laughable when you see these retards discuss the politics and themes of it.

>utopian
-noun
"an idealistic reformer"

Looks like we have a resident Marxist in here. Marx was literally a utopian even if he didn't fancy himself as such.

>so I guess a country is better off letting itself be invaded by foreign totalitarian regimes than to sort its problems out?
the FPA showed such severe systematic flaws that attempts at democratic reform would be stymied at every turn and take way too long, and any attempts at more forcibly fixing it (such as Yang attempting a coup d'etat) would inevitably cause more instability down the line
by contrast, allowing the Empire to root out the FPA would leave more space for new fresh seeds of democracy to be sown in the future without the baggage of the old structure, on top of Reinhard showing himself to be a more benevolent ruler under whom there'd be less of a violent struggle than under a military coup d'etat

essentially your options here are to kill Reinhard and engage in a miserable and impossible quest to try and apply the necessary reforms to a structure as corrupt in the FPA in a democratic manner while people are suffering from the consequent instability and misrule, or let Reinhard tear out the FPA while ensuring the people are ruled over benevolently for at least an uncertain amount of time, while you and your comrades ensures the spirit of democracy lives on and may regrow one day without the burden of the old structure

>marx
>idealistic
>reformer
we're done here, and no I'm not a Marxist.

my dress up darling thread #4654002 is down and to the left

Your dilator is between your legs

>filtered by LoGH
>calling anyone a tranny
hilarious