He did everything wrong

>everyone I don't like is self-inserting
You really cant think of one reason Floch was wrong can you

Nothing, he was drawing random shit the whole time and people found "le deep writing and complex themes" when there where none

That's what art is all about though.
Certainly the better alternative to trying to write some profound shit and spilling your heart out onto the pages just for the viewers to reduce it to shipping faggotry and coom material

using complete annihilation to solve your problems with your neighbors will lead to you using it again and again, despite your world getting smaller and smaller
the scouts would not allow wall rose to fall and sacrifice half of what they believed remained of humanity for the sake of those who lived in wall sina
why wouldn't they do the same regardless of the scale getting larger?

You mean back when Zeke was pelting them with rocks at Shiganshina? Virtually everybody was cowering, even Erwin

Because in that case the people in wall rose weren't trying to kill the people in wall sina

their existence was tenuous with so much arable farmland lost after wall maria fell and if pushed back would indeed threaten the existences of the people in wall sina due to food shortages, leading to the monarchy to choose to to save and who to abandon, and the people in wall rose would be the ones sacrificed for the sake of the upper-class families that lived in wall sina

erwin would not accept this outcome. none of the scouts would. that's why they kept planning for the day when they could retake wall maria and clean out the titans between them, so there wouldn't be a threat of genocide and everyone on either side of wall sina could live without endangering the existences of the other.

You keep talking like the situations are analogous. I merely named one discrepancy. Extra arable land wouldn't solve the conflict between Paradisans and the rest of the world, the problem is fundamentally different. The people in wall sina and wall rose still wanted to work together, they had incentive to do so. They considered themselves the same people. None of that applies to Paradisans and the rest of the world, they were diametrically opposed on threat of death. Isayama himself wrote a situation in which there was no peaceful solution

>Nazi
Go outside, touch some grass.

That's like 300 years after the fact. Look at the size of that tree.

Dylann Roof is a pretty cool guy

>Also Isayama gives us an epilogue proving them all right
Even if everyone did get wiped out, the population on the island would've split up and this would have eventually happened.

There's literally no thematically correct outcome for what Isayama wanted to portray

Can someone explain in comprehensible terms what do they not like about the ending? SNK threads always feel like mental illness central filled with people devoid of reason. Is it because Eren got killed? Wasn't it the point of his entire journey to be a reenactment of Ymir and Fritz, except this time Mikasa manages to end him?

i think it was a problem of half-measures.
mikasa killing eren would've been less bizarre and unusual if she hadn't kissed his decapitated head.
and then eren would've had a more dignified death without bitching to armin about wanting mikasa to be with him for at least 10 years.

i guess the problem is; eren became a man, then was reduced to mumbling man child.

>mikasa killing eren would've been less bizarre and unusual if she hadn't kissed his decapitated head.
So you're so autistic you got filtered out of one of the most tragic and saddest scenes to ever make it to a page. I feel sad for you.
>and then eren would've had a more dignified death without bitching to armin about wanting mikasa to be with him for at least 10 years.
And what's the problem with this? He loved Mikasa, isn't it abundantly clear that he's filled with regret over losing her to free Ymir?

Even the Cringevengers admitted when they did it that it could very well lead to the destruction of Paradis.
They simply didn't want to kill the entire world to save themselves.
Only Floch was portrayed that way, anyway; Eren was portrayed very differently.
Floch hates everything outside of the walls outside of nationalists reasons and actually believes Eldians to be different and superior. Eren constantly stresses that inside or outside of the walls, people are all the same. He does not hate them but realizes that killing them is the only way to save his friends.
Very different characters.

Really? Even if the paradis attack on marley didn't happen, the rest of the world were planning to plunder the island anyway for the special gas mineral shit under the pretext of securing the founding titan.
The rumbling wouldn't had been a threat at all had they left the island alone instead of turning it into australia with titans.

He did everything wrong only because he failed.

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The Rumbling Arc was one of the most horrible arcs of any media I’ve ever seen. It would be easier to count the things it did good then all the bad shit. To summarise the ending. It was rushed, had no stakes, huge plot armour, battles that were literally fake and gay.
You had to be in the threads prior to the ending to know how bad it was. There is a reason /snk/ nowadays is only filled with shippershit and mental illness.

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Humanity will split up again and another race will inevitably get wiped out.

The only reason he wound up being wrong is because they asspulled an ending where titans were no longer a threat. They would all be genocided in camps if that wasn't the case. Thus, Floch was without a DOUBT in the right.

Yeah, but the ultimate survivors would still have been from the population of the island, not from a outside invader. And it's not improbable for them to eventually form a more stable society, while one between Paradis and the rest of the world is impossible.
If we corelate to real life the story would take place around the 1920's and the bombing happens in the current era. It's 100 years at best, and still a direct result of Eren's failure.

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He never stood a chance against the main cast's plot armor but by golly did he give it his best shot.

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There's been a bunch of edits of this moment. What are the best you've seen anons?

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That's what I thought originally, but I think it's much longer. This is what it looks like when Mikasa is elderly (so about 60-80 years). It's extremely doubtful that they created a bunch of skyscrapers and reshaped the land so that it's on a hill in that short amount of time. It's gotta be at least 150 years

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Yeah, I could accept 150 years for what it is, although I still think realistically it should have happened while Armin and co. were still alive, maybe in 20 years.
The cars look like those from the 30's, and the ones when visiting Marley would correspond to 1890 so it would track, but I still think it's ambiguous in a way that's not that good.

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le epic tweest

he couldn't live with himself being so dishonest like he was in the magazine version so he had to go back and undo some of the damage of betraying his own story and cancelling the original mist ending.

>Floch hates everything outside of the walls outside of nationalists reasons and actually believes Eldians to be different and superior
Floch used nationalism to form and rally the jeagerists ESL-kun. While his recruits were telling him to shoot the enemies floch kept giving them chances, specially Onyankopon. Floch's last words was about to protecting his country. If floch truly was racist like you say he would have not let any chances to join to any of the voluteers. Read some history books fucking retard.

Or when the Azumabito old lady kicked his ass

Grabbing fresh rookies who didnt even finish their training to fight actually trained military.
None of you pay any attention how his men flew right into a dozen Marley soldiers, from the front?

>Coup d'état'ed an entire country
>pretty much became the man in charge
>everything wrong
Sure, only retarded thing is that the entire squadron of Yeagerists didn't think of using thunder spears against the boat/plane.

>using complete annihilation to solve your problems with your neighbors

rather than using a vague euphemism like "solving problems with your neighbours" , why not call it what it was, which was defending yourself from extermination by people determined to exterminate you using the only viable means available, i.e. legitimate and necessary self defence.

The "muh world getting smaller" arguments are so retarded.
All you're pointing out is that after the rumbling , Paradis would still have the risk of civil war in the future. But that doesn't make a difference because EVERY nation has some risk of civil war happening in the future.
But which is better, being totally exterminated by the rest of the world in the next few weeks, OR the possibility of having a civil war in the future? Obviously the latter . So even with the possibility of civil war , the rumbling is still a preferable option. Furthermore, every country has the risk of civil war anyway, so it's not like not-doing the rumbling would help protect against civil war anyway. Also, civil wars are rarely wars of extermination, unlike how the rest of the world wants to exterminate paradis. So this argument is really terrible.

Wall rose and isn't trying to exterminate wall maria or vice versa , but the rest of the world is determined to exterminate paradis, so obviously there is good reason to attack the rest of the world in a way that takes away their ability ever to exterminate paradis in the future but there is not good reason to do the same to wall maria or wall rose.

being nationalist is nazi?

>thread is full of asshurt flochfags
How can you even like that guy

/thread

>you will never be so much of a failure at being human that you won't be moved to tears by this panel
feels great

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There is literally nothing wrong with being a national socialist.

It's not even about liking the guy, although he is plenty fun to root for.
It's about disliking the direction the story took. The entire time it goes for a morally relativistic approach where, from their point of view, the opposing party is justified. And then at the end it makes a shifts to build up the alliance as heroes and portraying their enemies as scummy villains, because doing otherwise would leave room for understanding that their reasons are sound. It's disingenuous and hypocritical.
It also helps that, despite all that, Floch was still right about almost everything, and his only mistake was having too much trust in other people.

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>How can you even like that guy
By having a functioning brain unlike you

>Hehehe everyone you loved will die crunched, now work for me or die worm
The great problem of Floch is being an asshole in the worst moment possible.

your point being?
Normies are truly incapable of even comprehending what "long-term" means it's kind of astonishing.

Eren wants me to be his top guy... I'll do it, Eren, I got your back

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If I'm getting wiped out either way, I'd rather it be by my own people than some other randos and who knows, perhaps my children will be on the winning side.

Eren's final dialogue makes all his lines post-time skip incoherent and meaningless
Armong wanking to a never before seen degree
Ymir went from a potentially interesting tragic mythical figure to an all-powerful stockholm syndrome schizo
Pretended Mikasa was the key to the story when she was one of the shallowest characters in the story along with joke characters like Connie
Rewriting the rules and then ignoring them on the fly (royal blood isn't needed to activate the rumbling, but then killing Zeke stops it)
Historia was built up for years as being relevant and then was a pure red herring having nothing to do with anything, she may as well have not appeared or been mentioned at all post-time skip
Completely lifeless final battle, more people (Hange, Floch) died getting to Eren than actually fighting him, the combined might of all past shifters was less threatening than random pure titans in arcs past
Grisha goes from helping Eren to stopping Eren to helping Eren to stopping Eren to helping Eren to stopping Eren
Everyone forgives Annie for everything because she ate pie despite being one of the most sadistic characters after Zackley and Gross, and she also admitted she would do it all again given the opportunity
Reiner got ignored completely
O MY BIRD TITAN THAT CAN FLY FASTER THAN A PLANE WHILE CARRYING A DOZEN PEOPLE

This is just shit off the top of my head

>(royal blood isn't needed to activate the rumbling, but then killing Zeke stops it)
Eren's head got blown up, he needed to reestablish contact with the centipede. did you people not read the manga or did you speadread or did you just read a plot rundown or what?

>What did he mean by this?
Erwin died
Floch died
Eren died
Everyone that is a good problem solver died

Armin and his group wanted to be heroes.
They wanted to "Save the world"
Rather than save it, they unwittingly secured its destruction
Just think how things would have went if Erwin lived instead of Armin.

I'm glad that Isayama threw in the extra pages after the Western backlash.
It turned a 1/10 ending to a 10/10. Isayama knows what he's doing and I love it.
I'm looking forward to SNK 2. Something tells me that the suffering has just begun.

>mfw people praised the ending, not knowing that the "heroes" just dug their own graves

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The rumbling was started by Eren convincing Ymir to stop enslaving herself to the will of the royals, until that got incoherently retconned in the last few chapters. Of course the power always lay within the founder, but Zeke was completely irrelevant to the process (until he was made integral to it later)

>your brain on being a speedreader
Zeke was Eren's stepping stone to accessing the paths and meeting Ymir. There's no rules being rewritten here, it's the long foreshadowed destiny of Eren freeing Ymir unfolding.

>Zeke was Eren's stepping stone
Only because she was still enslaved to the royals. She could have let him in under her own power without her slavery, and after she was freed Zeke was powerless to stop her from doing anything, until he was actually integral and the rumbling stopped as soon as he died. Also she was still enslaved by her love of Fritz the entire time. There was a clumsy retcon, I am right, and I will not continue replying to someone who accuses me of being a speedreader after following the manga since the anime, following the spoiler releases monthly, and reading each chapter anywhere between 2 and 10 times.