>is completely useless in your path
"Legendary sage" my ass.
Is completely useless in your path
>is completely useless in your path
Him and Kakashi were huge joobers.
he helped them with Pain and told them how to deal with his shit
he would kick your favorite character's ass
My favorite character unironically could fight Madara better than if the Five Kage and the team that fought Obito combined. Even before his most recent power up
But dude, he taught Nalt the Rasengan, a totally useful and effective manuever that won tons of fights.
He actually did pretty well fighting 3 Pains.
He and characters like tobi are hidden badasses for comedic purposes, pretending to be weak
the clone training thing is so insanely practical and useful that it makes everybody look like giant jackasses for not teaching it before
>is narutos designated parental guardian
>never visits naruto or tell him about anything
>naruto runs into him by accident
>naruto has to beg and pay him to teach him anything
>being strong = good character
Go back to bed, Timmy. You have school tomorrow.
Kill yourself, JuanPisstard
Kakashi fell victim to power creep. He's still very powerful but everyone they fought post time skip was a monster
The Konoha survivors told him the same info, but honestly the info about their eyes being linked was all that mattered. Naruto had to fight them all anyways so none of the other info mattered
Dr.Hiriluk would never hurt him
You're right, he single-handedly flanderized Narutos fighting style to the eternal detriment of the anime. That said, Kakashi knew it too.
So? Fucking onion kid solo'd a Pain. Only the Yahiko pain was worth anything alone.
The 2nd animal path was cute tho
He was power crept. What he did was very impressive but the problem was that Kishimoto felt the need to one up his feats so much and so fast.
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tfw Tsunade would have let him smash if he came back after fighting pain
It brings to light how each clone is a sentient being with their own thoughts, feelings, and memories. Perhaps people knew about it, but didn't want to tell Naruto lest he think about the ramifications of it for a minute.
Did that info even amount to anything in the grand scheme? All I remember is Konoha getting bodied hard until Naruto arrived with his asspull mode.
>spends years teaching him absolutely nothing
>Kakashi takes one look at Naruto and immediately levels him up
>oh BTW I forgot to mention these Pain-level frogs
Kishi was smoking crack with this character
That's Six Paths mode. He actually trained for Sage Mode.
His message was that someone else was controlling them, and...? Naruto had to fight them all anyway and the bit about them sharing eyesight can be told by the old toad.
Face it, he got killed just so that Narutard can gets another training arc going.
How many bastards does he have?
The thing cuts your charka in half for every clone you make so only those with enormous charka pool can do more than 2 clone or you'll risk running out of charka and die.
He's "le funny pervert character", user.
Most shonenshit series need at least one of those.
He wad Naruto's weird uncle.
Path to power.
>Kakashi gets confronted by Orochimaru
>m-masaka... I cannot face Orochimaru... I am literally so scared he can kill me in 1 second if he wanted to what am I thinking
>Kakashi confronts Itachi
>Yo, Itachi and Kisame, you won't be leaving this village alive
They clearly had no idea what they wanted the power levels to be for a long time. For reference a 14 year old Itachi defeated a full power Orochimaru in 1 second.
>Sasuke gets Kakashi while Naruto gets a fucking sage
No wonder he went to snake
To be fair Kakashi defeated Kaguya
As much as I hate Sasuke as a character, his post-ts look and snake powers were absolute kino.
Meanwhile all Naruto got was a bigger rasengan and a new jumpsuit.
Kakashi thought that he could resist Itachi's genjutsu thanks to his sharingan.
Only being carried by the Coolest Eye. Cuckashi can't do shit on his own.
>only lost to Pain after getting backstabbed
Kishimoto didn't want Jiraiya to give Naruto any training tips so Naruto would be shit at the beginning of the timeskip.
He really wasn't, it took until the war arc and bijuus/Madara/8 gates for him to be powercrept, but by this point 99% of the characters were.
Most overrated character ever.
Doesn't have any impressive jutsu, his sage form was incomplete, less powerful than his student, had to wait several minutes to use them in battle making it quite useless if he weren't at sage mode from the very beginning.
I unironically think Orochimaru is stronger than him. At least his resistance is spendid (unlike Jiraiya, who got fucked by 5 tails, Orochimaru took a literal bijuu dama in his face and easily survived).
If you can't sense your enemy's attack a mile away and dodge it when it's a millimeter from your eyeball you're a jobber of epic proportions
He would've defeated all 6 Pains. That's not just post fight hype, he defeated 4 was still could have ran, and this was after getting backstabbed. Orochimaru might have been a problem for his base form in part 1 but sage Jiraiya would've raped him on the spot.
His toad summons were very powerful, especially his stomach ones. He had the bad luck of using one on Itachi who assaulted his way out of it like he does everything and the other on a disposable Pain mario
Orochimaru was/is one of the strongest characters in the series, easily stronger than Jiriah. It just feels like he jobs because he always goes against plot-armor-no-jutsu masters like Nardo and literally any Uchia
>He would've defeated all 6 Pains.
He lost against them, and Tendou didn't even use any power.
>b-but if he knew pain's secret he would've won
Nagato also didn't know about Jiraiya's Sennin Mode otherwise he would Kuchiyose Tendou into Chibaku Tensei him from the very beginning.
>He had the bad luck of using one on Itachi who assaulted his way out of it like he does everything
On the other hand he made Itachi waste his final MS jutsu to escape without using much stamina himself.
He's full of powerful jutsu, but he either fought while handicapped (the Sannin battle) or fought against ninjutsu absorbing ninjas like Pain, so he used a less flash style to take them on and is underrated as a result.
Oro is incredibly overrated and would get raped by sage Jman. He's basically some guy with a sword (and zombies, thank god)
>He lost against them, and Tendou didn't even use any power.
He didn't even fight them in a fair fight. He defeated the 3 Pains, got backstabbed, and then fought them all with a missing arm and STILL captured a corpse. He only got killed when he exitted his toad in base form and missing an arm just to uncover Pain's identity.
Assuming Pain doesn't use the godly Shinra Tensei (either because it's his own city or because it takes prep time), Jiraiya had good chances of winning with frog song.
What the fuck are you talking about, the Deva path would nuke him. What on gods green earth is he going to do against planetary devastation, or even a moderately strong Shinra tensei?
>even a moderately strong Shinra tensei
Exactly what Naruto did, except faster and better since he has other jutsus than "hit you with a ball"
If Pain can actually use it without prep time and assuming it's strong enough to kill strong ninjas then nothing except maybe that frog teleportation thing he pulled against the 6 bodies. But in that case Pain could defeat the entire Akatsuki by himself, except for Obito and MAYBE Itachi if his Susano can protect him.
>He didn't even fight them in a fair fight.
lol absolute cope
He faced them fairly and got fairly buttfucked like the useless meme he is. Or do you think a fight is only fair if Jiraiya already know every single technique of his opponent? They are suppose to be ninja.
Also, Nagato didn't know about SM, and if he had known, Jiraiya would have been killed even sooner.
>iraiya had good chances of winning with frog song.
A single Shinra Tensei and Jiraiya can't even into Sennin Mode anymore, tf you're talking about m8.
>He faced them fairly and got fairly buttfucked like the useless meme he is. Or do you think a fight is only fair if Jiraiya already know every single technique of his opponent? They are suppose to be ninja.
A healthy Jiraiya never fought the 6 Pains. A healthy Jiraiya fought the 3 Pains and defeated them without getting touched even once. A critically wounded Jiraiya fought the 6 Pains, defeated one and got wounded a little more. A critically wounded base Jiraiya tried to uncover Pain's identity and got murdered while doing so, but this was suicide.
>A single Shinra Tensei and Jiraiya can't even into Sennin Mode anymore, tf you're talking about m8.
Pain needs to get in range for this and summon spam is enough to prevent it. Pain also needs to know what's going on to go out of his way to prevent it.
Nardo was using better versions of all Jiriah's jutsu's and straight fucking lost, twice actually,, and needed the fox to bail him out twice during the fight. Jiriah has no fox therefor has no chance.
Even just one clone doubles your training speed or allows you to focus on something else while the clone does the training, sure you won't get years of results in a few days but it still seems very useful for even the average ninja
>basically just a guy with some zombies
Uh... they were the boss of the entire series. Even at the series start Orochimaru could summon two Hokage's and a Kazekage simultaneously. Good luck to Jiriah there lol
>Nardo was using better versions of all Jiriah's jutsu's
No? Naruto was using Rasengans, big Rasengans, even bigger Rasengans, all of which Jiraiya could do. He also used frog punch which Jiraiya actually couldn't do. But it's still close range shit.
Jiraiya used mid range (hair) and long range (katon, doton, goemon, hair projectiles) jutsu. Also teleportation jutsu which he used to capture one Pain and avoid the 5 others. And mid/long range jutsu are what matters when trying to tag someone who can deflect your moves every 5 seconds, because if he throws you away then you have to get back in range and that's the hard part.
>You're right, he single-handedly flanderized Narutos fighting style to the eternal detriment of the anime.
It wouldn't matter what justu he learned. He would've spammed whatever the replacement was. What I don't get is, rasengan was cool when Naruto didn't know anything. But compared so many other abilities it is such a bland choice to give a main character.
It takes a crazy chakra pool to summon them which is why most people like Kakashi or even Sasuke could only manage one or two across the whole fight
Yes, with Edo Tensei and assuming the zombies are at full power like they were in the war arc, Orochimaru is easily the strongest character in the series. Nobody actually argues that anyone could defeat Hashirama+the 3 other Hokages in a fight. But that's probably not what Oro wankers are talking about.
>A healthy Jiraiya never fought the 6 Pains.
Tf are you smoking m8? He was perfectly healthy, and got fucked by Pain. Sure, he defeated the 3 weakest Pains, but he never even faced Tendo.
Not a single technique in Jiraiya's arsenal can remotely beat Tendou, and frankly even if he was already on SM, which he wouldn't be in normal circumstances.
Naruto, who was already stronger than Jiraiya, lost against Tendou, and got bailed out by Kyuubi.
>Pain needs to get in range for this and summon spam is enough to prevent it.
And Jiraiya needs an enemy just memeing Kuchiyose against him (plot armor, for it would be the best strategy to have Tendou fuck him over from the very beginning) just to be able to enter SM otherwise he is even more fucked. Not that SM would beat Pain anyway, since he didn't.
Nagato is way more pwoerful than Jiraiay, you're a fanboy tard if you think Jiraiya is even close to him.
To this very day Nagato is still overpowered af, losing only against the likes of Naruto/Sasuke (turbined by Rikudou), Obito, hashirama and Madara.
Nardo sniped like three or four of the with the rasengan shrunken which Jiriah most certainly couldn't do, whereas Jiriah's ranged attacks accomplished literally nothing beyond feeling up Konan
>He was perfectly healthy, and got fucked by Pain. Sure, he defeated the 3 weakest Pains, but he never even faced Tendo.
He fought the 3 Pains healthy.
He fought the 6 Pains while crippled, missing an arm. He didn't even lose that fight, as hopeless as it was he managed to get out of this.
>Naruto, who was already stronger than Jiraiya
He had a better sage mode, but only knew 3 jutsus. Jiraiya knew many more.
>And Jiraiya needs an enemy just memeing Kuchiyose against him (plot armor, for it would be the best strategy to have Tendou fuck him over from the very beginning) just to be able to enter SM otherwise he is even more fucked
Pain always memes Kuchiyose, and these kuchiyoses are actually pretty fucking strong. They destroyed a good chunk of Konoha.
>Nagato is way more pwoerful than Jiraiay
In raw power? Most likely, especially a healthy Nagato. He could take Naruto and Bee at the same time. The 6 Paths of Pain? They canonically would've lost to Jiraiya if not for their secret. That's not me talking, that's Kishimoto and Nagato.
Even without he zombies or mamba for that matter, he still had the curse mark which functions offensively as a paralyzing genjutsu you can't just overpower via chakra relocation, plus the dude could turn into a giant Hydra that shoots lasers (again, wasted on "plays with godmode enabled" Itachi)
Theoretically his Hydra form should have been beyond the scope of what Jiriah could deal with.
Naruto only defeated one Pain with rasenshuriken. It went like this:
>mechanical Pain rasenganned
>fat Pain frog punched
>animal Pain rasenganned
>long hair Pain rasenshurikenned
>fat Pain rasenganned
>other fat Pain frog energy'd
That's 4 bodies defeated with jutsu Jiraiya knows, 1 with one of these mid range jutsu Jiraiya has tons of , and only 1 defeated with something Jiraiya didn't have.
If anything, Naruto's rasenshuriken isn't ideal. It's overkill and expensive. Jiraiya could spam big ass katons and dotons without taking a break and they were all strong enough to take care of Pain bodies. That's exactly how he bodied 3 Pains.
>He fought the 6 Pains while crippled
But it was Nagato who fucked him over, why is this unfair? lol
> but only knew 3 jutsus. J
Rasen Shuriken is better and more effective than any Jiraiya jutsu. In fact, FRS is one of the best jutsus in the entire series.
>Pain always memes Kuchiyose
So, a plot armor. Rememder Tendou defeated every single toad in a single Shinra Tensei against Naruto. Not even summons could Jiraiay use against him to run hoping he would have time to activate SM.
>They canonically would've lost to Jiraiya if not for their secret.
Considering Nagato didn't know about Jiraiya's SM. There's no way Jiraiya could realistic beat him.
Still trying to figure out what Jiriah would do against a planetary devastation except maybe run away
>He fought the 6 Pains while crippled, missing an arm.
sounds like Pain kicked his ass then.
He didn't even lose that fight,
bro he literally died
>He had a better sage mode, but only knew 3 jutsus. Jiraiya knew many more.
nothing in Jiraiya's arsenal can hold a candle to rasenshuriken. Naruto may be a one trick pony but his one trick one-shots anyone who isn't an S tier ninja god which Jiraiya clearly wasn't.
>or mamba for that matter
Jiraiya has 3 giant frogs that are about as strong as mamba and most importantly the 2 elder frogs which are actually even stronger than the other 3.
>the curse mark which functions offensively as a paralyzing genjutsu
Did you actually argue the curse mark makes Orochimaru strong? That's how he enslaves shitters, not how he defeats strong guys.
>the dude could turn into a giant Hydra that shoots lasers
Instant win gg with pic related, senpo goemon, assuming his summons don't do the trick.
Reminder that his cho oodama rasengan is supposed to be strong enough to destroy a mountain according to databooks.
He one-shot the giant wooden zetsu shitter with it during the war ark, who'd previously been soloing the 3rd Hokage
The whole schtik of his Hydra form is his vitality personified, damage it and it grows back stronger like Pain's dog. The only way to kill it is which stupid bullshit OP Uchia sealing.
>But it was Nagato who fucked him over, why is this unfair? lol
It's not about fair or unfair, that's a fact. He stomped 3 Pains while healthy. He managed to fight off 6 Pains without dying while crippled. Nagato himself says that if he didn't hide his bodies, Jiraiya would've won. What's the logical conclusion? That a healthy Jiraiya would've been dangerous if he fought the 6 Pains. That's why he was crippled before that.
>Rasen Shuriken is better and more effective than any Jiraiya jutsu. In fact, FRS is one of the best jutsus in the entire series.
You're a retard. Sage Katons and Dotons were enough to subdue Pain bodies and were easily spammable. He could throw his hair on a moment's notice and the only way Pain could protect himself was specifically using a summon shield. All these jutsus are much more convenient to deal with Pain than Rasenshuriken which is easily foreseeable, which can only be used twice, and can easily be avoided. Pain kept getting out of the way. The only time Naruto landed one was the first time when Pain didn't know it expanded.
>So, a plot armor
That's literally how Pain fights. Cope.
>Considering Nagato didn't know about Jiraiya's SM
Nagato was talking about his secret, not his jutsus. Nagato needed to hide his bodies and stab Jiraiya in the back to secure his win. He couldn't just show up with his 6 bodies.
True but 2 clones is still 3x faster than no clone
>sounds like Pain kicked his ass then.
Pain stabbed him from behind when the fight was supposed to be over. If that's your definition of a fight, sure. That's not what we're arguing about.
>bro he literally died
He died when he decided to go back there, in base form, after telling his other frogs to go back home with the intel, just to see Pain's face once more. It wasn't a fight anymore. Crippled sage Jiraiya fought 6 Pains and captured one.
>nothing in Jiraiya's arsenal can hold a candle to rasenshuriken
In raw power? Sure, rasenshuriken is probably one of the 3 strongest jutsu in the manga. In usefulness?