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Is he right?
Jordan Ortiz
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Luis Scott
Milton is boring garbage. Shakespeare actually has soul.
Jason Mitchell
No.
>T.s someone who has read all of Shakespeare
He says this like it's a flex, or particularly difficult lmao. It would also be pretty difficult to make someone so anti monarchy a national poet
Chase Gray
>He says this like it's a flex, or particularly difficult lmao.
I mean, the book is like 1000 pages and written in 16th century English.
Lincoln Ortiz
>You’re called to your door by an unexpected ring. Greeting you pleasantly, a somewhat disheveled old man in a rumpled cardigan, wishes to convince you of something urgent for your own good. His doleful eyes and sincere manner convince you to let him in and and to take a seat. He launches into a long winded lecture about the importance of Shakespeare in our daily lives.
>Stealing a moments break from this dry yet interesting speech, you offer to fetch some drinks from the kitchen. Upon your return you see he has started some kindling aflame in your fireplace and presently is cracking the spines and rumpling the pages of your collection of Lovecraft horror stories. Looking up at you he tosses it on the kindling.
>”I’m sorry to have to inform you, but this will never be anything other than cheap schlock. And never considered for the canon. You’re better off without its presence embarrassing you on your shelves. Not even tucking it away in a dusty cardboard box in the attic could you escape the shame. Let it go lad. Let it go”
Samuel Diaz
filtered by Milton
Blake Hughes
No, it's a very amateurish opinion (which Yea Forums gets a lot of for some reason).
The value of Shakespeare isn't just pretty language. His value as a poet, following Goethe, must be sought in his characters. He is pure drama, with no invasion of the literary as one finds in French drama. Neither Milton nor Spenser can equal Shakespeare's characters or themes.
Colton Clark
>His value as a poet, following Goethe, must be sought in his characters.
Poetry is not about characters. Shakespeare is a great playwright but Spenser is the better poet.
Dylan Rogers
Pound said that Milton was far inferior to most English poets. I'd take his opinion over yours.
Owen Collins
faggot
Carter Hill
lol
David Green
>some guy on Yea Forums said so
oh brother
Jonathan Collins
>truth depends on who said it and where he said it
John Lopez
Pound was the proto-Rupi Kaur. His own poetry was not even close to Milton.
Joshua Morgan
If you think being a poet just means writing metre then you're retarded.
Sebastian Taylor
It means writing poetry, not being known for le plays.
Jackson Clark
Wow okay you are retarded.
Samuel Lewis
seethe
Samuel Miller
>t. susceptible to mass appeal garbage
Aaron Price
>spenser shits over shakespeare in every way
>the faerie queen is better than all of shakespeare
retarded
Joseph Cruz
>Lovecraft? A bad parody of Poe.
Ian Russell
Kino
Logan Mitchell
>Shakespeare? Odd homosexual poetry.
Caleb Hughes
It's better poetry than anything in Shakespeare.
Luis Myers
Post an excerpt from it that’s better than Hamlet or King Lear.
Levi Cruz
I don’t know abt everyone else buy this is exactly what I thought reading Hamlet. The exact line
>shit that line was really good
entered my brain when reading about Fortinbras’ conquests. That story is long as fuck man I have no clue why Hamlet bumblefucks around for Acts I and II. The funniest line will always be
>The woman doth protest too much, methinks.
Asher Scott
>The funniest line will always be
>>The woman doth protest too much, methinks.
Nope. The funniest line will always be
"Go thee to a nunnery".
I actually think I said that to a girl once (or something in these lines).
kek
I really think Hamlet is too long though;
I enjoyed "The Tempest" much more.
Christopher White
Shit you are totally right I completely forgot about that
>Get thee to a nunnery
Man Hamlet really blew Ophelia out, causing minbreak and shit. I still have to read the Tempest and I’m going to read it next.
Jackson Edwards
>It means writing poetry
Like the two mini epics, 100+ sonnets, and other assorted poetry from within the plays themselves? Like that, you fucking spastic retard?
Post a single shred of evidence or poetry to back that up. Pound wrote some of the most musical and innovative poetry in English. To say nothing of his technical achievements and nearly unparalleled English criticism
Hudson Campbell
I think he is but I'm a big Spenser fanboy. I even think Marlowe was a better playwright in some regards.
Jonathan Garcia
I'm still waiting or any passages of Spenser or Milton to be posted that surpass Shakespeare. Milton wrote a musical (and horrendously boring) poem, and Spenser wrote a not very musical, even more boring, and somehow less dramatic poem.
They have their charms, and their place: but they are not a substitute for Shakespeare and the other greats of poetry.
Elijah James
>musical
You don't even know what Elizabethan or Cromwellian era English sounded like and you're talking about how musical it is, pseud.
Jason Turner
>Man Hamlet really blew Ophelia out, causing minbreak and shit.
nosweatshakespeare.com
Right now I feel bad for Ophelia, she didn't deserve that. She was a good girl, all in all.
>I still have to read the Tempest and I’m going to read it next.
You won't be let down.
Julian Morales
>Like the two mini epics
Which ones?
Blake Davis
Shakespeare's sonnets are not very good and I don't think most people--barring maybe actors--hold them up as examplars of the art. His reputation is based upon his plays, which I agree are among the best in the language. But if he had never written a sonnet I doubt his reputation would be any different.
Jace Diaz
>I'm still waiting or any passages of Spenser or Milton to be posted that surpass Shakespeare.
Encore!
Lincoln King
not even remotely close
Daniel Hall
>horrendously boring poem
"No one ever wished it longer." - Dr. Johnson
Nathaniel Moore
The Rape of Lucrece
Venus and Adonis
Elijah Bennett
based harold
Jack Collins
>Pound
>An authority on anything literary
To be Poundpilled is to understand that he vastly estimated his literary abilities and thought he was far more intelligent than he actually was. He's a honeypot for midwits.
Jaxon Jones
agreed but the point is that there is great poetry within his plays and arguably that poetry is why his plays are so popular.
Jackson Garcia
I see what they mean but they're definitely overly contrarian to make the point. I think the problem is a lot of people think the artist who is esteemed to be 'the best' is somehow close to flawless in their art, when in reality the usually just better than the average in the most part but of course their work's going to be worse than others in specific ways
Zachary Lopez
filtered + tricked by Satan
James Allen
I love Spenser, but he's *the* definition of having to wade through bullshit to get to the good stuff (admittedly, the good stuff is some the best bar none).
Ian Cox
I have browsed this board for so long, waiting for literally anyone to back up "uhh Pound wasn't actually smart", and every time his criticisms are brought up, its one butthurt retard that says he's retarded and leaves, without ever posting a shred of evidence or an example, I don't even get poetry excerpts.
The sonnets range in quality a lot imo, but there are still some extremely popular and well known ones, and you study them frequently in english classes from middle school to post-grad seminars. I think they're culturally entrenched enough, and (if my former english professor is to be believed) some of the best poetry in english.
Kayden White
Canto (11?) of The Faerie Queene is actually pretty good, I think its a better dragon fight than in Beowulf. You have to wade through like 6 miserable cantos, to even get there though.
Alexander Brooks
Oh 100%
Hudson Anderson
If Shakespeare was better he would not have popular appeal.
Jace Carter
>Canto (11?) of The Faerie Queene is actually pretty good, I think its a better dragon fight than in Beowulf.
Can you post it?
Isaac Jackson
It's really long, I'd go over the character limit like a dozen times lol. You can read it here: gutenberg.org
Ian Peterson
This, but unironically
Colton Cox
LET'S GET REEADY TO TUMBLR
Angel Rivera
Test
Nathan Hall
the two women on the right are fuckable
minus the plastic dick, of course
Isaac Cooper
Wow that was actually great. That might be the best dragon battle I've read in literature.
Ryder Myers
>I think Shakes got overrated because the anglos needed a canonical "poet of England", so they picked someone who had a good balance of artistic merit as well as mass popular appeal
55 responses ITT and no one pointing out yet that this goober is just regurgitating Tolstoy
"I think" lmao
Wyatt Sullivan
The thread is about Tolstoy on Shakespeare. Tolstoy was an idiot when it came to Shakespeare in any case
Justin Smith
Tolstoy was an idiot about most things
>dude just read stories about magic chickens and never have sex, you'll be happy bro, just trust me
Wyatt Watson
What! That makes it even worse. Framing Tolstoy's ideas as his own in a thread literally about those ideas lmao
And yes, Tolstoy is my favorite writer but he was a terrible thinker, and it only got worse with age. By the time of What is Art he was nearly senile. I find that people who haven't actually read the essay will mention that Tolstoy didn't like Shakespeare "either" as if that absolves them, but it's like, you realize he denigrated Beethoven alongside him right? He had completely lost the plot.
Austin King
Does Tolstoy have the biggest 'fall from grace' of any artist in any medium? Trying to think of a comparable decline. Maybe Francis Ford Coppola?