In Genesis, why did God curse Cain for providing an offering of crops? How was Cain supposed to know any better?

In Genesis, why did God curse Cain for providing an offering of crops? How was Cain supposed to know any better?

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He wasnt cursed until he killed his brother. He was ignored.

Why?

He just was, ok?!

We spoke of the sequence of pastoral, agricultural, and urban
phases of imagery in the history of Israel. The archetypes of all three
are established much earlier in the Biblical narrative. Directly fol-
lowing the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Eden, we have the story
of the farmer Cain and the shepherd Abel. Disputes between a farmer
and a shepherd are found centuries earlier in Sumerian literature, but
there the farmer scores off the shepherd, as is natural for a country
dependent on irrigation and a rotation of crops. But the Biblical
writers tended to idealize the pastoral stage of Israelite life, in
contrast to the agricultural stage, where contamination by the
neighboring cults of Canaan was so frequent and pervasive. Hence
Abel's pastoral offering to God of the sacrifice of a lamb, "not without
blood" (Hebrews 9:7), was accepted, and Cain's bloodless offering of
firstfruits was not. Abel's sacrifice was the type of the primary festival
of the Jewish Passover, and the murdered shepherd Abel was also, for
Christianity, a type of Christ, whose passion coincided with the
Passover, a human victim identified with the Passover Lamb, just as
Abel, by his death, is identified with his sacrifice.
One reason Cain's offering was not accepted was, apparently, that
God had cursed the ground after Adam's fall (Genesis 3: 17). But after
the Deluge this curse was removed, the reason being, we are told,
that the deity was in a good mood because Noah had just made a
tremendous massacre of animals as a burnt offering in his honor, and
he highly approved of the smell (Genesis 8:21). So a contract with
Noah, already mentioned, was made that seems to have something to
do with the establishing of an agricultural economy. Noah is prom-
ised the regularity in the cycle of nature that is the basis of farming
life:

While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and
summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. (Genesis 8:22)

So Noah becomes a farmer, whose first agricultural feat, human
nature being what it is, is to discover wine and get drunk.

It illustrates how awful Yhwh is as a father. Don’t neglect one child while delighting in another lest the one murder the other.
Yhwh should have killed himself right then and there, but he’s a fucking coward on top of being a fuck up

God really seems like a sadistic asshole in the Old Testament.

I'll take the bait.

By faith, Able's sacrifice was worthy. By lack of faith, Cain's sacrifice was rejected (it sucked).

If you read the bible you would know this.

Lambchops > Wheatabix

Only poors eat bread, have a lamb chop instead.
(This same logic is the fundamental basis for the pork ban in Judaism and Islam by the way. Pigs eat shit and only poor people farmed them)

meat was harder to obtain than just growing some stuff in your back yard. God liked it more because more effort went into obtaining it

You provide your best food not some vegan garbage

God being nice in the NT is probably the main reason that Christianity supplanted Judaism so hard.
Judaism's answer to why God is such a cunt in their scripture was Kabbalah, where God is a pure infinite being that can't be described by any metric at all, and the qualities that emanated from this being (sephirot) are all in constant strife with each other, which is where both good and evil come from.
Anyway that never really took off because nobody understood what the fuck Kabbalah was on about.

If you read the old testament you would see that he was loving and merciful, and forgave much more than he initially said he would out of kindness.

"God" as in the cosmic intelligence of the universe is good. Angels and archons and shit are just mentally ill basedboys

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Stupid archons editing my posts. I hate the demiurge!

He literally obliterated half of the jews once

I might have not read the bible completely but at least I don't do reddit spacing.
Reddit spacing is the cardinal sin here.

So?

i just read the ten plagues and man, god really was kind of a dick, made the pharaoh deny israel to leave just to flex his muscles and show everybody how powerful he is

To be fair, it isn't just god. Everyone in the bible seems to act like some kind of alien.

>create flawed beings
>kills almost all of humanity because they're flawed
heh, nothing personnel kid

I will never reddit space again. I forgot about weird tribal communicative differences between Yea Forums and reddit. Thank you for informing me.

If you think destroying a nation of satanic sodomites and child murderers is bad (Canaanites)
don't google the flood bro

We're socialized in a very post-industrial end-of-empire kind of way. Like, we're fucked up in the head more than they were in certain ways. Important ways too.

Pharaoh was an evil man. There's a lot of implicit information about the nature of Pharaoh's that we generally dont teach everyone about given the relative irrelevance of ancient Egypt to today's every day life's challenges. Calling himself God and denying the one true God, for example. The ethical nature of his warring and dealings with others. How he enslaved the Jews and had them driven cruelly to complete works and projects. Also God's word is law and that which opposes the fulfillment of the word of God is surely doomed. (Such as not letting the jews return to the lands of israel once the sin of the edomites is complete and they are ripe for destruction as consequence for their evil)

He put in each one of us a God shaped hole that we would turn to him and learn his word and what is truly good and worthy. The world rejected God. He then came to us to save us from ourselves and the punishment of his law.

antediluvian civilization had it coming

>If you think destroying a nation of satanic sodomites and child murderers is bad
>antediluvian civilization had it coming
Tell me, who created them?

they had a choice
just like you do

That is not reddit spacing you fucking retard.

This is a regular format to write your text.


This used to be reddit spacing because the website was so horribly built you had to separate you paragraphs with two lines or else
it came out like this.

Vegans are faggots and faggotry is an abomination.

>gives us opportunity to go against His will
>punishes us eternally if we go against His will
This seems so redundant. Just make us perfect like a perfect being would.

also the idea that this current clown world could call another one "satanic sodomites and child murderers" is fucking hilarious

Read "On Sacrifice" by Moshe Halbertal
Hey hey

>Pharaoh was an evil man

but there were many pharaohs. some were considered quite benevolent

also at least in ancient egypt they had magic and space n*ggers and shit, now we just have online pornography and deaths by hanging

On you're own you're a pawn of satan and hell is for satan and his followers. You're just pidgeon holed on this one really.

not the one whose heart was hardened

They didn't need faith. Their existence in God was certain. Cain's offering was equally sincere.

>Cain's offering was equally sincere
Get a load of that assumption pulled out of your own ass.

bro

Because cain believed he knew best what would please God, and when it didn't he arose against his own brother out of jealousy and hatred (because of the sin he carried.
what God wants for us to do is infinitely more important than what we believe we are to do.
his punishment is just and shows why we should listen to God and follow his commandments and by faith be saved through Jesus Christ who died on the cross for our sins, lest we also perish and suffer eternally in hell as are the wages for a lifetime of sin.

>In Genesis, why did God curse Cain for providing an offering of crops?
He didn't. He cursed him because he murdered his brother. The story is like 10 sentences - how could you even misread it this badly?

Nomad lifestyle back then was preferred to the sedentary.

The point was Cain offered the less desirable of his produce, where Abel offered his best.

Here's a serious answer.

Abel brought "fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock" (Gen 4:4), in other words a choice offering. Cain's was more generic and undistinguished, just "some of the fruits of the soil" (Gen 4:3).

When Cain is upset, God tells him that he's being morally lax, and that he has to be vigilant against sin.
>Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”

Rather than taking the words to heart and improving, Cain lashes out in his anger and kills his brother.

/qa/ lost
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>Cain's offering was equally sincere.
Cains didn't "sacrifice" anything, Abels did

Following Cain's murder of Abel, he is told by God that "when you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a wanderer and a drifter on the earth." (Gen 4:9), indicating he will be a hunter-gatherer rather than a farmer, bumping him back in terms of civilization progress. He then "left the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden", which implies in the ~20 or so years since the exodus from Eden, there were other people living on the earth. The Bible doesn't say where they came from except for a vague passage that says that "When mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose." (Gen 6:1-3).

However, any progress that civilization made was basically reset with Noah and his immediate family. The logistics of the Ark indicate that it can float with the dimensions given in the Bible with about 70k animals inside (though food, water, and waste control would've been a problem) for 5 months.

This also presents a number of problems in the post-flood world. Noah's sons were married, but even then the family would have no one but cousins to breed with for at least a few generations. There were ten generations to Abraham, so assuming that the population doubles with each generations, that would still be about a world population of under 2,000. Scholars place the world population in 2000 BC (the time of Abraham) to around 27M people.

Furthermore, plants aren't happy in post-flood waters, even in modern floods like Hurricane Harvey the soil was compacted, nutrients were washed out, and created an ideal situation for roots to simply rot in the overly-mushy and wet soil. So being flooded for five months would destroy most of the plant life as well, and whatever animals were rescued would neither have enough to eat to reproduce or be enough to feed the post-flood world.

At that rate, God would've had to repopulate the plant, animal, and people life again (possible) or the flood was relatively localized and not everything perished (after all, the dove brought back a fresh olive leaf). Perhaps "the land" or "the earth" referred to the immediate area and not literally the entire world.

The problem was he knew too well.

Read on to find out! Cain was not cursed for his offerings. Gen 4:6-7 The LORD offers Cain some advice which is promptly ignored.

They were the second generation of humans in existence. Cain must have single-handedly developed agriculture, that is way more impressive than being a shepherd.

It's hammered home again and again in the OT that God LOVES animal sacrifice. Cain's lousy gift, utterly devoid of the sweet smell of fresh blood sent him into a fit of furious chudrage.
Not gonna read the replies but I'm assuming Christcusk are saying "it's about faith" like they do about every story in the Bible.

*christcusks
christsake...

>Also God's word is law and that which opposes the fulfillment of the word of God is surely doomed. (Such as not letting the jews return to the lands of israel once the sin of the edomites is complete and they are ripe for destruction as consequence for their evil)
but God literally made the pharaoh refuse the isrealites their right to leave. multiple times he wanted to let them go but God fucked with his mind just so that he could show off all of his cool plagues

>Get a load of that assumption pulled out of your own ass.
Oh, just like
>By lack of faith, Cain's sacrifice was rejected (it sucked).

Where did or does it say that an offering had to be a sacrificial one?

why did God write the first half of Exodus, Up until chapters 24, so brilliantly and made it so exciting when Just after that he wrote the most boring, brain numbing faggot shit? is he autistic? i mean why did he care so much about what the shitty tabernacle and the clothing of his priest looked like?

cain is the first nigger

Given there's no explicitly stated reason, any answer would have to be speculative, but the text does specify that Abel gave the firstborn of his flocks while Cain is just said to give an offering from the ground. If that specification is meaningful, maybe one way to understand it is that Cain's offering is a plain offering, while Abel's offering of firstlings is an offering of the the most desirable of his flock.

Perhaps another way to see it is that Cain's offering is a product of the curse God put on man before kicking them out of Eden; the plants are simply an affirmation of that curse, to labor for something man is simply condemned to do anyway. In which case, maybe God is surprised by Abel's comparative resourcefulness or cleverness in offering up something not tied directly to the curse.

And maybe there's something to the fact that Abel is offering up the spilt life of his flocks.

Because sacrifice and the high priest are the most important typological elements of the future Messianic redemption, and as such, were incredibly important to focus on in the Old Covenant.

Exodus was written partially by Moses but likely partly by others.

Thanks user, I read the Bible but I didn’t get this and it makes much more sense.

can't be that important when nobody in this day and age is slaughtering animals anymore. i am reading the bible for the first time and had a blast up until exodus 25, it was a great read and i couldn't put it down. was this the best part? the second half of exodus sucked and people already told me that leviticus and numbers are supposed to be even more boring, wtf?

>nobody in this day and age is slaughtering animals anymore
Citiboi

You don't believe in any of it, so why in the HELL are you asking?

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