Think I should better understand where leftists are coming from with their whole gender thing

>think I should better understand where leftists are coming from with their whole gender thing
>"bro you gotta judith butler for that bro"
>if we may be permitted to assume as such, not withstanding all pre-exemplary standards of discusirve practise and representational thought, might it be reasonable to suggest (though not in any overbearing sense) the matter-at-hand, consequentially but not conservatively leading to a cardinal error of which our avoidience may inadvertently, though through no fault of our own, bring about the realisation of which non-disclosure could exacerbate
What the fuck is this? Its just gibberish, which I guess makes sense considering what theories its adherents are pushing.

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It's called pilpul.

Obfuscatory nonsense. You should take that book and use it to beat the person who recommended it to you until he either admits he hasn't read Butler or say she's shit.

Are you surprised? Gender doesn't even exist in the first place so of course the discussion around it is retarded. Only sex exists. The real conversation is not gender and sex but sex and aesthetics. It's the antithesis of an accepting discourse because aesthetics dives deeper into differences within the sex itself with a callous disinterest for irrelevant feelings.

As you study leftist material/theories on society and so forth, as long as you aren’t bound to their presupposed social stances, as long as their pathos rhetoric and so forth doesn’t get you, you’ll find that their theories work exceptionally well at dismantling themselves and backing the normative and right wing positions as far more inevitable, powerful, natural, and logical. And if they are honest, they will agree to such even as their ideals say to oppose what is the logical.

Butler is the greatest writer of all time, chud.

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>Rightoid is illiterate
pottery.

The irony of an autist like Judith Butler writing about performative social roles. Autistic people like her should have no say on gender/sexuality issues

Autists are uniquely suited to see through performative social roles and actually should be the foremost premiers of gender

Women cant be if hardly ever, autistic

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Butler intentionally masks her work to make it inaccessible because she was obsessed with keeping much of her later work in a strictly academic sphere. Her actual positions aren't too terribly convoluted. Performativity theory is well-understood, and I recommend starting with some of her earlier, less obfuscating work if you're looking to dive specifically into her positions on the matter. They aren't very interesting, but if that's what you want to look for, that's what I recommend.
Unless you just wanted a nice, juicy seethe thread because you got filtered too hard and wanted to circlejerk with a bunch of other Shapiro-tier psueds.
The take of a particularly emotional, particularly stupid child.

For me its Julia Kristeva. She's the only feminist worth reading just based off the fact that she was a stone cold fox in her day. Almost makes me wish I was born in some commie shithole so I could pump gallons of coom inside her.

Chud can't follow along. Shocker.

Wow what a coinkidink! A woman who is so ugly she looks like a man happens to "prove" the flaws in traditional gender roles! I'm sure she has no dog in this fight!

You know full well this is sophistry BS, the over intellectual posturing of Leftoids doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look hilariously autistic

Your worldview is mental illness and your idols are all mentally ill. Like you.
A year working on a farm would solve all this nonsense.

Retards love filtering themselves on literature reviews

You've been shrunk.

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>t. lives in the suburbs

>Butler intentionally masks her work to make it inaccessible because she was obsessed with keeping much of her later work in a strictly academic sphere.
So in other words a shallow hack.

there's literally nothing to understand this gender stuff is literally just communist psychological warfare, nothing more or less. serious communists realized during, at the latest, the post ww2 boom, that capitalism was not going to be undone by its supposed contradictions alone like marx had thought, the vast majority of people are too grounded by aspects of their culture to just up and engage in communist violence, so the goal of serious communists then became to compile a bunch of new (and some old) auxiliary cultural ideas to use as psychological/information warfare and destroy things like religion, morality, family, national identity, social norms etc which would theoretically create a society ripe for accepting communist ideas and committing violence in the name of communism.
transvestites and all this gender nonsense is just one idea thats being pushed to undermine religion, morality, family, national identity, social norms etc
I think its safe to say capitalism has also found a way to exploit it by using it to comodify identity and increase support for globalized exploitation (mass immigration, outsourcing of capital, international usury)

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Non-binaries are uniquely bad at writing

Yeah she's writing in a convoluted manner to make her arguments seem more important and intellectually rigorous.
I can follow her sentence but it looks as though you left out the point she's building towards, so I have no idea of the context. Non-disclosure of what?

Fucking retard hahahaha

>We have starting viewing structure as changing with time

translation:
>Although it's not entirely consistent with the typical practice, it might be reasonable to suggest that the matter at hand [whatever the fuck that is] - because by avoiding this suggestion it might inadvertently exacerbate the realisation [whatever the fuck that means in this context] -
...and we need the rest of it to complete the thought. But that's literally all she says there.

>Because she was obsessed with,,, keeping it in the academic sphere
Why? Sounds interesting

>I think its safe to say capitalism has also found a way to exploit it by using it to comodify identity and increase support for globalized exploitation
Partially agree, though with advent of the internet it's less expensive now, flags only go so far

>looking to a woman for intellectual insight

Any group that does this immediately outs themselves as intellectually barren.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/#SexDis

>"let me guess, bland anti-essentialism"
>Opens link
Not surprised
>unitary gender notions fail to take differences amongst women into account thus failing to recognise “the multiplicity of cultural, social, and political intersections in which the concrete array of ‘women’ are constructed”
This is the dumbest misunderstanding of essentialism I've ever read. It reads like a high school essay trying to argue against something it doesn't comprehend.
>X isn't a valid genus because there are variations within the genus
Read literally the oldest western philosophers in existence (see: bigoted white men) and you'll see why this assertion is on-its-face stupid.
>Butler’s second claim is based on her view that“[i]dentity categories [like that of women] are never merely descriptive, but always normative, and as such, exclusionary”
Bitch just figured out that things are better when they approximate health and form, and worse when they deteriorate and lose their intrinsic form. And she goes on to erroneously argue that nothing is naturally anything, everything can be anything else because nothing has any intrinsic essence, which is blatantly wrong. Another mixing up of social customs (accidents) predicated of essential differences with essential differences themselves.

All that propaganda is just to distract the lower classes and keep them fighting each other over complete nonissues. Meanwhile the rich fuck everyone over again and again and again and again. Anybody who takes critical theory seriously on either side has been duped.

Lol we can agree feminist = ugly right?

Commie circle jerk she didn’t want the public to know

Autists are more trust worthy than normies imo, those fuckers speak from the heart.

Pilpul is different
>the jews never declared war on Germany
>okay they did declare war on Germany but it was only economic war, economic war isn't war
>besides that's a tabloid anyway
OP posted "academia speak," which is the opposite of clarity. Those people learned to stretch word count in school, take credit where they can get it, and not much else.

Where can I read more about propaganda like this? In particular I am curious about who is responsible for the propaganda and how aware they are of what they are doing (as opposed to a lot of useful idiots).

fuck off back to /pol/, retard

>tries to sound smart using gibberish
>manface emphasized with haircut
>obsessed with gender
she might be compensating for (the lack of) something

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holy based
care to elaborate?

Frankfurt school in the Weimar Republic

How do ideas like this become popular? The average person doesnt read this shit, I doubt politicians read it, I doubt anyone but sexless academic freaks read this. How did it becime mainstream?

she might be hysterical
probably diddled by her uncle (i.e. father)
requires psychoanalysis sessions to check if she ends up wanting to fuck her therapist

I read a section of Gender Trouble for college and it honestly gave me a headache. I would re-read sentences multiple times and still have no clue what the fuck she was on about.

coomer thinking is just feminism from the POV of men, since it puts women on a pedestal

For starters google the telecommunications act of 1996. All of mainstre am media is owned by a trust of 6 corperations. They brought in the social media corperations forcibly during public trials in 2017. Schools are publically funded. Enough said.

>>if we may be permitted to assume as such, not withstanding all pre-exemplary standards of discusirve practise and representational thought, might it be reasonable to suggest (though not in any overbearing sense) the matter-at-hand, consequentially but not conservatively leading to a cardinal error of which our avoidience may inadvertently, though through no fault of our own, bring about the realisation of which non-disclosure could exacerbate
Translation:
If we can put down our assumptions and imagine this to be true, it might be reasonable to think (but not buy into it as unfalsifiable dogma), we might fix something that we otherwise would make worse by ignoring the possibility.

She just says it in the dumbest, most bombastic way possible.

atheists have been pushing the intellectual hype since their meme of enlightenment, hence why according to them all the poor should go to college
atheists have no critical thinking so they think if they dont understand something, it means it's deep and true, and they just parrot the dumb down version of thing over and over.
THis was all academics before 2021, but in 2012 occupywall street happened and it's the first time that socialists knew they have a better market to tap than the proletariat after the commies killed themselves (and thus leaving socialists standing like morons, since according to socialists, socialism was a bridge from the classical liberal republic by bourgeois to communism).
The market is the young yuppies educated and completely fucking lost in life, doing retarded master like psychology, who will end up in a meaningless bureaucratic job and of course those ppl will be mostly roasties. So it's the perfect recipe
-women have no critical thinking and spend their lives spreading their legs, 10 years of casual sex, then they end up pregnant, so 10 years of raising some kids, then they get bored and they go back to the cock carousel. This makes women desperate to feel virtuous, and they will always embrace what the ruling & entertaining class is telling them (no matter in what kind o society they live in)
-the intellectuals in the bourgeois republic want to secure their republic, so the poor who vote really need to think there is an alternative to classical liberalism, and that's jut new liberalism, but the proletariat is just fucked over since the communists themselves were unmasked as just another society full of atheist bureaucrats who have fuck all idea on what to do, and they heavily despise any
criticism
-there is also the jewish trend of pushing for self depreciation on whatever atheists was still living after ww2
-socialists mixed that with the infatuation of the atheists for (fake) introspection
atheists fucking love ''meta'' things, like in their cartoons (atheists love to watch cartoons) so like a cartoon talking directly to the audience knowing he is a cartoon (stuff like rick an morty and so on)

so there you have it, the desperate need of the atheists for public posturing, applying especially the roasties, and huge control of the ruling over entertainment (ie holywood and the academia).
The fantasy of the atheist is to mix, in their republic, 3 things
-the bureaucracy
-the education
-the entertainment
so for instance when you get an education you become a better citizen, and when you watch the news you get an education, and when you vote you push for more education. In their minds all those 3 fields are the same.

Gotta get that word count up. Pure useless academia hack.

>2021
2012 lol

>If we can put down our assumptions and imagine this to be true, it might be reasonable to think (but not buy into it as unfalsifiable dogma), we might fix something that we otherwise would make worse by ignoring the possibility.
Further reduction:
This might be true. If we act as if it were it may make things better. If we ignore the possibility, it might make things wose.

So flip a coin I guess. This sounds like what happens when you get waaaaaaaaaay too into epistomology.

>girlfriend tells me I just don't understand Butler and should admit it
>give her a knowing look and explain 'Of course I don't understand Butler, there's nothing there to understand'
>she smiles and says I'm horrible as she unzips my pants with a mischievous smile
It's that easy OP.

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Bros why are femoids like this. My gf is a commie feminist with a degree in sociology but she still gets on her knees for me even though I'm a misogynistic racist.

Because they want to lose. They want to have ben taken.

only women take women seriously which is why today the average man in America is a lesbian

masculine individuation and agency is quite literally pic related

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Right-wing ideology is how society is, left-wing ideology is how society should be. We must control our human nature in order to create a better world. So far left-wing ideology is winning ever since the age of enlightenment but ofc a retarded schizo like you is too stupid to understand that. Fuck off back to /x/

yes, we have heard.

>Right-wing ideology is how society is,
>left-wing ideology is how society should be.

Your left wing ideologies in general have no grounding, no origin for their axioms, no rationale, neither from nature, nor from God, nor can Will be used since Will can be used equally against, thus there is no model by which generic “left wing” valuation has pull, for the left wing and right wing are constructs for a multitude of differing ideologies banding together over the presupposed value of economic growth and usually quality of life and usually military power, of which it will never explain nor justify, for fundamentally these are all rooted in either elder conceptions of reality that these systems oppose, or in not much more than circumstance and emotion which has told them this is how things ought be.


>We must control our human nature in order to create a better world.

The so called right and left both argue this, the elder regimes of society are defined by order and control such as the history of china.

>So far left-wing ideology is winning ever since the age of enlightenment

No such thing as left wing ideology, nor is it “winning” for left wing ideology is not monolithic but rather used to refer to a divergent bunch of contemporary ideals and political arrangements and policies of which, may be right wing in other nations. Enlightenment onwards the winner, and if you study prior to the enlightenment, the dominant force is money, it is capital and it is money which is dominating society and will dominate society. Your ideals have little to do with it, America grew on account of oil and gold and imperial force, and on account of not having a destroyed industrial base, Asia grows in power due to its worship of capital, the only thing which has won in the past, today, and the future will be the economic drivers, movers and shakers.

>but ofc a retarded schizo like you is too stupid to understand that. Fuck off back to /x/

Seethe, sneed, cope, dilate, go back to plebbig, go back to twiter, etc etc.

That's when you bring up biology and how men and women have different bodies + brains