Thanks to the user who suggested this.
I read the entire book in one sitting. It was haunting but beautiful, the most visceral, desperate thing I've ever read. A book-length suicide note. The kind of book that leaves you in a daze for the rest of the day.
Appalling and sad that this didn't become a seminal text for the euthanasia debate. Sad that we live in a world were chicklit and other shit is published by the million and something truly poignant and powerful like this gets ignored.
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I just think about how lucky he is that he had the means to kill himself. Imagine all the people who are fully paralyzed and feel this same way, or the people who can't even express how badly they want to die. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Fully agree. Probably the single most hard-hitting piece of text I've ever engaged with. Threw up mid reading
Yeah, that thought now terrifies me. All those dishonest cunts who claim that "Most quadriplegic accept their condition" should answer this: how many of them would kill themselves if only they could?
Occasionally, Yea Forums gives us gems. I'd have never discovered this book otherwise, despite reading other books written by paraplegics who made their case for euthanasia. (None in a way half as systematic and logical as Atreus though. He eviscerates every objection, revealing the disgusting, narcissistic and straight up evil nature of the objectors. Maybe that's why his book was so carefully ignored.)
He was brave to do it without involving his friends and relatives, or they would've risked harsh prison time for helping him.
Pic related is a case where a 19 year old ended up quadriplegic after an accident. He was just a head, and he was blind and mute to boot, and in constant incurable pain, but completely lucid.
He spent years writing a book (blinking to select the correct letters one by one as someone recited the alphabet) to ask doctors and the president to allow him to end his own life. They refused.
In the end, after being tortured in a bed for 4 years, his own mother had to free him with a lethal cocktail of drugs... and then she got in trouble with the law!
Our attitude towards euthanasia is truly disgusting. It's harrowing to think that Clayton Atreus was one of the lucky ones. He still had his arms.
This really messed me up since my cervical spine is not in a very good condition
Quite haunting to think that sometimes your life can turn into absolute hell within split seconds
It's funny to think how bureaucracies like to tout about individuality and personal freedoms, but the taking of one's own life is an affront to them.
Of course it's because the impact to their bottom line, not the immaterial value of bodily-autonomy.
Even more absurd is that a very common objection is that pro-euthanasia people would want to "play God". Meaning that they wish to interfere with the natural course of events. A couple of points:
1) These same people are more than happy to take antibiotics to defeat infections that would otherwise kill them, get blood transfusion or organ transplants, and generally "play God" whenever it's convenient for them. They recoil from it only when it's about ending someone else's pain.
2) The people "playing God" in this case are the ones who forcefully keep alive someone that would otherwise die naturally, left to their own devices. Somehow respirators, drugs, forced feeding, and nurses that have to massage and roll their bodies every few hours to avoid bed sores, are NOT "playing God", but stopping these pointless measures is. Weird how it goes.
These hypocritical cunts deserve to experience something that horrifying at least for a few weeks. Just to gain some perspective.
Wrecked by the BDC. Big Donkey Cock.
>Threw up mid reading
Was it the shit-digging part or the emotional impact of his entire ordeal?
What makes this work unique isn't simply the intentional explicitness and grotesqueness of the descriptions of his physical limitations (incontinence, uncontrollable farting, the necessity to dig shit out of his own rectum with his fingers every day), which other authors in similar situations tended to omit out of shame or politeness, edulcorating their message. It's the fact that this guy was really smart, a trained philosopher, so he set upon to carefully and mercilessly demolish all the common delusions other people (both able bodied and disabled) have about paraplegia. Not only the lies ("I can do anything an able bodied person can do") but the logical fallacies and the incorrect assumptions usually taken for granted (that existence is a priori preferable to non-existence, for instance).
Interesting things are produced when a very smart individual is thrust into an extreme situation.
It was around the bit where he described defecation as digging shit from a corpse which is attached to you. I've never had such reaction to anything I've read/done so it came as complete shock after the fact. The way he presents a very apparent reality of one's bodily experience is absolutely unique and coincidentally I think that these are the parts that hold the utmost political/philosophical power in the text and not his thoughts on assisted suicide or other philosophical digressions
Refuted by reddit, unfortunately
>bureaucracies like to tout about individuality
Gib drug+supplement stack pls, I too want to attain this level of non-consciousness
>Of course it's because the impact to their bottom line
In Thomas Ligotti's "Things They Will Never Tell You," he mentions this as "The Sellers."
Something like "why would they ever tell you all they have to sell is a piece of fruit got rotten?"
This is illustrates business' part in affirming life.
Is there an english translation?
>Threw up mid reading
>Starts seething about religion and the Catholic Church on the first page
Typical atheist mindset, they hate God so much yet He will not leave their mind in peace. The fact that people worshiping and being happy in life “makes him puke” is all I need to know about this guy. I shall not be reading this drudge of misery porn.
You know what? I can't find it. I don't think there is one.
Odd. Two very powerful pro-euthanasia testimonies from two disabled men in horrific pain, and neither of them has received even a fraction of the attention I'd have expected (and that they would deserve). Almost as if there is someone with an agenda curbing this kind of publications.
>NOOO HIS ARGUMENTS ARE ALL WRONG FOR ALL ETERNITY BECAUSE HE USED TO BE HOT AND I NEVER WAS!
Sincere writing hits you like a punch in the gut.
"Writing is easy: you sit and you bleed." -- Hemingway.
>I can't find it. I don't think there is one.
Seems like a job for one of the pessimistic subreddits. They support translations all the time.
A very troubling essay I agree. It's so strange to read it essentially in real-time, as he oscillates between an ambition to overcome his situation and then his slow collapse and despair at being so helpless. I hope he is resting in peace.
A similar essay, on the same theme at least, is the controversial essay written by Frederick Brennan (founder of eight chan) who published his defence of eugenics, arguing that people like himself should not be allowed to be born.
Tried to link but system won't allow me to for some reason.
Agree.
Hotwheels should die for multiple reasons, none of which is his osteo imperfecta.
>essay written by Frederick Brennan
Can't find it. The wikipedia page says "only The Daily Stormer, a white supremacist and neo-Nazi website, would agree to publish it."
Can you give me the title?
Not a very charitable Christian attitude toward a sufferer
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What do people think about the article written by eight chan owner and GamerGate icon Fredrick Brennan along with the recent news about Steve Scalise
Should be a red dit link, Yea Forums isn't letting me link that link or the archive link sorry.
Thanks mate, found it!
Let's see if the gay filter lets me link the archive: archive (DOT) ph/ftgkC
Atheists don't hate God, since they don't believe it exists. They often feel annoyance towards people willing to believe it, though, and outright revulsion when those same intellectually challenged people dare to tell them how to live their life. Pretty understandable.
Imagine you were strapped to a chair and being constantly tortured, and in the same room there was a guy who could easily free you, but chooses not to because his imaginary friend told him not to.
And then he scolds you for asking, claiming that that makes you a bad person and you therefore deserve the suffering.
Don't use the "hateful retoric" excuse, you won't read his book because you're a little shitstain of a human being too intellectually and spiritually underdeveloped to tackle different ideas and be faced with the reality that he might be wrong about something. That's why you're not reading it. Also, you're lazy.
Why respond? Where did that get you in life?
You've convinced him not at all and wasted precious digital ink.
Speak for yourself. I'm an atheist and I hate god.
Man what a sad little essay, so weird that so many people called it white supremacist apologetics when he talks about how his voluntary program wouldnt have any race based criteria. People are fucking ghouls that torture their elderly with care they shouldn't receive, makes sense why articles like this are demonized
>It's funny to think how bureaucracies like to tout about individuality and personal freedoms, but the taking of one's own life is an affront to them.
Reminds me of pic related from Mitchell Heisman's 'Suicide Note'. I found the idea of the bias against death being a kind of xenophobia to be fascinating.
The most intriguing (and disturbing) part of this book is when he discusses how, thanks to neuroplasticity, the brains of disabled people end up being physically different from able bodied people's, which makes reciprocal understanding simply impossible.
Hey, user here who started that thread.
You're all welcome.
I am personally on-the-fence about legalized euthanasia, only because the pressure that other people can put on an unloved paraplegic/disabled/elderly to die, but I do think that if we were more open to talking about how horrifying being paraplegic is, there would have been more funding, effort, and urgency into research on how to restore our spine similar to how much attention cancer gets.
That said, if any of my friends or family were in a nightmare situation like this, I hope they at least let me know so they don't have to die alone. I think that's one of the saddest part of the book, that he can't tell anyone else what he was thinking.
Didn’t Fred get a bitch on his dock at the least and I think even money? Think he’s in a lot better mindset now then he was writing this essay.
i got reccd this about two years ago, wept at the donkey death, and couldn't read much more.
the terror of being a sentience trapped within its body is above everything else one could fear.
euthanasia is a wonder of a topic.
most people are repulsed by the idea because it shows in clear light how monstrous a calmly administered deliberate death is. unlike death penalty, it's not veiled by some notion of justice and disdain for the victim.
it shows our fear of responsibility for acts final and permanent. it shows how much people fear true individual freedom because it suggests that dubmitting to fate is optional.
why are some people so obsessed with euthanasia?
You know what would happen if euthanasia was legal? rampant inheritance theft with scoundrels offing people to grab their stuff.
This is a very good point though: outside of the unfixable issues which made his life shitty, he had no reason. Nobody has the right to complain, ever. If it's fixable, fix it. If it's incurable, complaining is pointless since you have no choice but to live anyway.
>Oh wait, there's the suicide option
I'm always amazed at the logic at play here. Sure there are terribly ill people who manages to have a life, but why assume that I have the inner strength to do the same or the duty to do so? There's a fair chance that I would be praying for death, why keep me alive?
this is why atheists have created sex coupons for the mentally disabled. In swizertland the specialized institutes hire whores to have sex with the disabled since atheists have nothing else to offer them.
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>zero english version
the anglos must feel uncomfortable
according to leftists people are bad because they are poor, so once they get rich they will be nice [the weird thing is that according to leftists rich people are not nice and just want more poor people lol]
Anyway, Atheists are scared about suicide and euthanasia because they know they have no answer to this and all they have to offer is consumerism.
The varnish of humanism wears off very quickly when atheists have to deal with their own people becoming economically worthless
Hope y’all little chuddies appreciate become grateful of being able bodied and stop being ableist
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>Atheists are scared about suicide and euthanasia
What? No, atheists tend to be pro-euthanasia. Most objections to it are religious in nature.
Can you have an argument which doesn't involve the words "atheism" or "atheists"?
>You know what would happen if euthanasia was legal? rampant inheritance theft with scoundrels offing people to grab their stuff.
What a retarded slippery slope notion.
"You know what would happen if alcohol was legal? People would drink gallons of the stuff every day until their stomachs burst, drowning everyone else and the entire world!"
This is how retarded you sound. Every pro-euthanasia proposal has included checks and balances to avoid obvious abuse like that. For instance, only cases where the patient himself requests it can be accepted, and he has to request it multiple times every week for 3 times so he has time to really think about it. Or maybe a medical commission of X number of doctors has to declare the patient beyond reasonable hope for improvement before the request is accepted. Stuff like that, very easy solutions.
You need to understand that you're (clearly) not a smart individual. This means that if you think of a problem, everyone else has also thought about it and probably has already found a solution.
>it shows our fear of responsibility
True.
> it shows in clear light how monstrous a calmly administered deliberate death is
Stupid statement. Whether it's monstrous or merciful depends ENTIRELY on the circumstances. It's impossible to make generalizations like that.
>the pressure that other people can put on an unloved paraplegic/disabled/elderly to die
Every single law in existence (or that can be imagined) has a small percentage of cases where it can be abused. "Make murder illegal? But what if an innocent is framed and thrown in prison for life!" That doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws. When the benefits outweigh the cons, we obviously should. For every unloved disabled being pressured by his evil family greedy for the inheritance, how many disabled people in permanent physical pain and emotional despair are there? How many of them could be saved?
As a fairly experienced motorcycle rider I gotta say ... you should have just slowed down my dude.
I would like to say thank you because this is one of the few resources/pieces of media that have a made an impact on my clinically depressed/bipolar wife. She it not much of a reader and I almost didn't mention this due to the subject matter, but it helped give her an outlook of greater gratitude after experiencing Clayton's thoughts on all the limitations and sufferings that others still go through, most often randomly or not as a consequence of their actions.
This is a great read btw and I'm very sorry this guy had to suffer such a great deal.
Why'd he do it, bros?
We are lucky the human is still not so valuable. If the brain where ever a commodity worth enslaving then there would be hundreds of jarred hells in the market
Haha, how horrifying.
Witnesses report that just before trotting in front of the speeding motorbike, the donkey was heard saying to the other donkeys: "Look at that pussy ass bitch with that punk ass bike, hold my hay."
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>you should have just slowed down my dude.
He said so as well. He claimed that in all the courses he took on riding motorcycles nobody ever mentioned what to do in a situation where big animals were on the side of the road, so he sped up to pass them as quickly as possible, but one donkey decided to get right in his way and stop there all like "Whatcha gonna do, faggot?"
This kind of work really messes with my notion of self. Imagine lying on a hospital bed having your limbs lopped off one at a time, and being asked to consider after each amputation what constitutes "You". Descartes etc already wrote about this, but it's still really scary. You could end up with your eyes being removed, your ear canals destroyed, your tongue excised. Even then small instruments could be inserted into your skull and disable parts of your brain as in a lobotomy, and "you" would cling on to the surviving neural pathways which are still capable of repeating "this is still me! remember that memory in fourth grade! remember your first kiss? all me haha!" and then *clunk* that part of your brain responsible for memory recall is severed, and your just left with this tiny, throbbing region of the brain repeating "Me, me, me, still me, still me, me, me" each repetition ignorant of its predecessor, a kind of vague, rhythmic assertion of identity in an infinite field of undifferentiated darkness.