The case for one billion americans

What if america had a complete open border policy, wouldn't it become a massively rich country with a gdp twice as big as the rest of the world combined?

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GDP is the only thing that matters in life, really.

GPD is a kosher invention to steal real assets

A stronger case could be made for having less than one billion people globally.

I will fight every single immigrant
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What asset do neo nazis have except their boipuccis

If completely open borders are a surefire ticket to success why hasn’t any nation ever tried it? Before you try a historical example remember these neoliberal arguments assume a free market economy that isn’t older than the post war era.

To save you some reading the answer is immigration is incredibly destabilizing in large numbers and the benefits are mostly in the undercutting of existing workforce and additional debt opportunities for banks with each new arrival. GDP growth can be enormous with everything turning out worse for 99% of the population.

>gdp twice as big as the rest of the world combined
Even WEF moved on from this fixation on gdp

computer, read back to me the early life section of Matthew Yglesias’ Wikipedia article
>Yglesias's father Rafael Yglesias is a screenwriter and novelist, and he has a brother named Nicolas. His paternal grandparents were novelists Jose Yglesias and Helen Yglesias (née Bassine). His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.
Thank you computer

Before putting words in someone's mouth about why it wasn't tried, consider the petty tribalism inherent among our race. Furthermore do you really think the average person gives a shit about the nations overall success? No. They care about their own success and the success of their children (earned or not) as such they don't want competition for jobs or property. They don't care if it's fair if they lose and they don't want to allow newcomers to influence the local culture and politics. They don't care what's best for the nation they want what is best for themselves and their family. Don't act like there is anything truly noble about the anti-immigration argument. I am not saying a nation shouldn't control the borders but the idea that immigrants are a negative overall is very ignorant and even deceitful.

The book doesn't argue for completely open borders. It argues for vastly increased legal immigration, in tandem with present-day Americans having more babies, the American government adopting strong pro-natalist policies such as increased support for daycare and public trabsportation, an end to NIMBYism and a vastly increased construction of family-living spaces.

"Americans should have more babies" could only possibly be an argument against American interests to Leftist Malthusians, and Malthusians generally, who've been wrong about every prediction they've made for the last 200+ years. "Ameticans should have more legal immigrants" is also the opposite of what leftists generally are saying, because they legitimately do want to abolish any distinction between legal and illegal immigration as a subversive act to destroy the US.

I already have trouble finding a job, so I think it would become more miserable.

>replacing the nation isn't negative to the nation

>The nation isn't synonymous with one race but one ideology.

Now explain why any of those are a bad thing

Dangerously based and greenpilled.

Thanks for the reminding, the last name threw me off there for a moment and i relaxed

There's no evidence to suggest that immigration causes unemployment for native workers. Literally no economist agrees with you on this.

Ukraine’s leader is also Jewish. But nobody cares. I tell people he’s Jewish but all I get is silent stares and more support for Ukraine

>they dont care
>take nationalism, right wing ideology, people dying for their country and just disregard them altogether bro
Galaxy brain post

It's not if you are doing such in a fair way but undercutting others to give yourself an advantage is counter productive for everyone else. It's selfish.

Not everyone who dies for the nation is bad, I didn't say that. I said people who argue that anyone coming to America who isn't them is just a parasite and they and their little brats are all that should be there are selfish little bastards. You know what I'm stating and you choose to make a straw man.

America is built on selfishness.
You can’t make money in a capitalist system unless you exploit workers by misleading them.

America has directly benefitted from selfishness and quest for wealth.
This is what immigrants could bring more of

What? What are you even talking about dummy? You said
>They don't care what's best for the nation they want what is best for themselves and their family.
And i said there are people who do. We wouldnt have these ideologies otherwise. Maybe try to be less retarded in the future? Also, why is people caring about themselves, their children and extended tribe ie the nation a bad thing?

>His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.[5]
Lmao I had a feeling. Typical kike

And why is that a bad thing?

It destroys the checks and essence of proper capitalism and creates cronyism instead which ruins society. Furthermore if instead you push your brood to excel on their own with your previously gathered resources they should be fine anyway. It's only when children feel entitled that they are lazy and thus need you to cheat on their behalf. The nation grew strong off the hard working desperation of the world and will stay strong with it. Just as before the people already there get angry and even violent but it will stabilize as it has always. As long as the nativists don't chimp out too much.

>the nations overall success
>what's best for the nation
What the hell is the nation if not the people within it? You're asking the current members of the nation to sacrifice their interests for the nation, but simultaneously insinuating that the nation's real interests are opposed to those of the people within it. Why would anyone consent to a conception of nationhood like that? What the hell is the "overall success" of the nation, if people don't have the right to define it for themselves?

You’re presenting some kind of parody of
nietzschean Goy morality. If you’re trolling I salute you.

Ahh, the New Left and Lolbert synthesis. Everyone is a consumer so everyone is equal and interchangeable. We need hyper competitive capitalism so we can attack the vestiges of Aristocracy. Truly interesting how complementary cultural leftism and capitalism really are. Around these parts we call this synthesis Kapitalismus (very different than Capitalism I can assure you)

It’s supply and demand, dipshit. You will find few people talking about it because you get fired over doing so.

lmao, leftists and libertarians are so fucking retarded. open borders as is would cripple the US even further. No control for quality means you just get more and more talentless Arabs, Africans, and Hispanics running in for the "land of opportunity." Not unlike Great Britain and every other developed Euro nation, these poor assholes will just cause cultural unrest while allowing the money supply to expand artificially (eg, every new immigrant could ostensibly acquire a line of $3,000 in credit not long after arriving), a dubious benefit in exchange for the cheapened labor and thinning of the labor market for existing citizens while also adding a shitton of applicants for welfare.
Balkanized USA when

Opening borders would also end welfare and taxes

>one billion americans
Imagine the smell.

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Dipshit, immigrants don't compete with Native workers. Its not supply and demand because they don't the same jobs. Many of them are also entrepreneurs who create jobs - you don't know anything economics.

>What if america had a complete open border policy, wouldn't it become a massively rich country with a gdp twice as big as the rest of the world combined?
It'd benefit the rest of the world just as much since most people would repatriate some of their income to their extended families. Global GDP would increase, the relative differential wouldn't necessarily be as large as you think. Also the bulk of immigrants would probably find the place to schizoid and would just want to stay to work for a while to save before leaving to live some place cheaper.

>If completely open borders are a surefire ticket to success why hasn’t any nation ever tried it? Before you try a historical example remember these neoliberal arguments assume a free market economy that isn’t older than the post war era.
Because in liberal democracies most of the people are opposed for various different reasons and in dictatorships the government can't attract immigrants or don't want to integrate them and have more to fear from people fleeing. You need a government of technocratic geniuses to get anything right done which don't exist.

>There's no evidence to suggest that immigration causes unemployment for native workers. Literally no economist agrees with you on this.
The flip side of this is saying technology doesn't cause unemployment. In the long run that's true but in the long run everyone today's dead. In the real world obviously new technology can cause old jobs to not be needed and immigrants can outcompete for todays scarce positions. In theory people can retrain for new jobs or accept lower nominal wages for higher real wages but in reality the problems of adjustment.

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It's like an aphorism, it's so succinct yet so true

Any time an economist tries to sell you some bullshit whiteboard doodle as the explanation of human society, ask yourself "How does this translate into real production and real consumption." You will always find the part where he's smuggling in some utopian unjustified axiom to swindle normal people out of their real assets "temporarily" because it creates a fanciful return in the future. Just trust my high school calculus bro, I'm an expert!

>what’s an h1b visa?
I can smell you from here, Raj.

>I'm too stupid understand economics, it must be all lies
You're such a dumbass, lmfao.

No one cares about your dying fake discipline except technocrats who only use it to prop up their regime. Also I have a real math degree, econ is for failed mathfags and failed businessfags.

You mean visas that exist because employers have shortages in skilled labor? You're such a fucking retard you think its economical for businesses to ship people instead of finding them here.

Indians are CEOs at higher rates than whites. They create jobs

Good nose

Nobody gives a fuck what a nobody on Yea Forums like you thinks.
>I have a real math degree
Post it with a time spam. I'll wait.

>math degree
>can’t calculate gdp
Must be pure math, because you can’t useful things with it

How dare you bastard, fuck you madarchod

>caring about your own family more than MUH GDP is selfish

this is what neoliberalism does to a mother fucker's brain

The big joke herein is that the opposition to Left Nationalism was built on the assumption that the pain of domestic workers and their displacement by immigrants was only a "growing pain". Leftists believe that protectionism is bad because is dampens the pain of the worker and unites him to a national state rather than the socialist revolution. What is the joke? The joke is that now, there is no protectionism and ALSO no socialism! Leftists of this tradition want the domestic worker to sacrifice his interests for the sake of a revolution that will never come. In other words, they fight the Right-nativist reaction against capitalist excess, and then pack up and go home. Content with their defeat of the nativists, they completely forget that it was Capitalism, not nativism, that was supposed to be the ultimate object of their ire. 90 IQ blue-collar workers realize this, which is why they will attach themselves to fascist-type or red-brown movements

If you really care you'll prepare them to compete for real instead of depending on unfair advantage you have at the moment. Thus when shit happens like the shared government in N Ireland you don't get fucked like the protestant kids who all of a sudden weren't promised jobs for their religion and lost out hard to the Catholics who could now compete with them. No one benefits from lazy, spoiled brats and it ruins your family long term. Groom them to lead your own business but don't push to keep others outside the nation overall just because you don't believe in fair capitalism.

I pray for a left-right synthesis in the future

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>GDP doesn't matter!
Then go live in Chad. You fucking white, suburban liberals have access to computers and high speed internet, and you want act like you're poor and oppressed. Lmao, you're fucking lazy bums. Get jobs.
Its also odd when leftists stop caring about GDP, but then never start talking about high the GDP was under socialism in eastern Europe. You're fucking morons and losers.

varoufakis is a based greek nationalist who has been plotting revenge against the EU for years. he's absolutely based and i hope he succeeds in murdering and collapsing the EUnuch kike empire

family matters more than capital, sorry you're too kiked and atomized to understand this. have sex and procreate and maybe you can still save your soul

>muh unfair advantage
le white guilt original sin complex co-opted for economically sabotaging what's left of the american middle class. nobody cares, the world is unfair. "compete for REAL" lmao trying to pretend the world isn't actively moving away from lassaiz faire fundamentalism. bro go buy a house

I just brought up white versus white and how the ones who try and sabotage others instead of working for themselves are a cancer and they'll rot in the end. It's not fair to push against people having a chance. You can still use your money for better education, you can still lobby your connections for your kid. You shouldn't push to have immigrants who just want to be here get kicked out or discriminated against. You can't try and make it literally impossible for them to have a chance. That is what will kill the nation because it stops us from really pushing. We compete and as such ever grow stronger. If you want to see what happens when you only have cronyism look at Russia.

we already have cronyism el retardo

Yes because we aren't doing what we are supposed to by our creed and professed beliefs. That is bad. That is the problem. I want a better nation. We are good but we could always be better. Never settle.

it would also produce 2 times the pollution and CO2

Americans are interchangeable because they have no history or heritage and are mutts. If you nuke America all you lose is agricultural land and diaspora (trash) of real countries.