ACADEMIC TENURE IS DEAD

Maybe but not in the way you think.

The CRT panic is big in the South. This is their way to get rid of professors who they think promote it too much.

Good for them, you let that sort of resentment and guilt take root and before you know it you're restricting algebra classes for talented students.

>This is their way to get rid of professors who they think promote it too much.

In bizarro universe maybe. Not on this planet.

You literally don’t need any degree if you’re well respected in your field.

There’s writers who never went to college but because they were able to be published they get hired to teach writing.

Bye bitch!

It’s Georgia. Even though it’s shifting blue cause of Atlanta doesn’t mean the rest of the state isn’t still very conservative.

Yeah, good. OK.

Basically, in national elections like the Senate or President they might be more blue because much of the state is in and around Atlanta.

But for state government elections it’s still pretty conservative, the other parts of the state still very red.

Georgia will go back to being red in 2024, imo. 2020 was a one-off due to the frenzy over racism motivating Dems to get out and vote. If the Democrats can't create another Civil Rights issue for the upcoming cycle they won't be able to hold onto Georgia.

>nooooooooooo, now I’ll have to get actual work done instead of just resting on my laurels and publishing a decade and three articles every decade!

If the college system collapses, what’s going to replace the marker of education for employers?

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In ~10 years when zoomers have grown up? Literacy.

The college system won't collapse, a lot of humanities professors are going to get fired though. How much more research is there to be done on these texts really?

Nepotism and identity

Only the humanities part will collapse. STEM is still going to be there.

The south is doomed unless they run the yanks off

So, a bunch of humanities professors will get fired and this is supposed to be bad?
Oh no, Professor Goldstein, the author of "Queer Perspectives on Dante" will get fired, how will society recover.

Basically. I dunno, it’s not like I prefer teachers to be flimsy wage workers, but the tenure system is kind of gay too. Talk to most phd candidates or grad students, particularly in the humanities since the STEM ones often find work elsewhere, and many will complain endlessly about how abusive the academy feels. Not just because they’re forced to be adjuncts and shit, but also because they see the cliquishness and see how tenure faculty are also status positions. Even some of the STEM ones will note it, lamenting that publishing and research can be highly controlled by people who basically just have social clout in the academy. Maybe it is unavoidable in the long run, but the academy is rotted. The fact they can’t even cling to tenure is evidence of it, they are fat and lazy and administration is just gutting them while they whine about it. The grad students have little reason to align with the tenure faculty in some kind of labor revolt because the tenure faculty treats them like underlings and enjoys gatekeeping, so they all understand there is nearly no hope of getting tenure anyways. Like I said, just a rotten system.

Nooooo! Not the heckin' tenure!

The academy was going downhill with the increase of administration positions that sucked up the budget.

Also why colleges the way they are. The administration treats students as customers, and if the customers are dissatisfied (IE, a professor said a no-no word), the admins side with the customers/students.

Also the reason why college is easier now, it ain’t just computers making research faster. Almost everyone needs to graduate or else potential customers will think it’s not easy, and won’t pay for it.

Wow, that's really great. Maybe they'll shut their mouths and teach their subjects objectively instead of ejaculating their political opinions and grievances on cohorts of young Americans.

i had a junior level undergraduate english class on old english literature, this was like 4 years ago or so

the professor had us go to this website. I forget its name, it was similar to Jstor, but it was oriented toward graduate papers on literature related subjects

anyways, we were told that we had to pick a paper on old english literature and write a criticism of it

the reason i bring this up is because the website recorded how many people had read every paper (similar to youtube viewcount) as a number right next to the link to the paper

i was scrolling down the website catalog in absolute awe

there were thousands of fucking papers and on this website and all of them (with maybe 20 exceptions) had 1 view, which i assume is either the guy who uploaded it, or maybe their professor checking that they had uplaoded it successfully or something

i can't remember anymore the exact nature of these papers. I think they were grad students and """researchers""" (like employed university research professors) but it might have only been grad students

in either case, the amount of pointless bullshit that is going on to produce the appearance of productivity is astounding

i remember just searching random buzzwords like "Gender Chaucer" or "Race Shakespeare" or "Queerness Milton" and each would yield hundreds (or thousands) of results

these departments are completely bloated by hoardes of people who do nothing but write bullshit papers that could be matched in quality by an AI that just shits out buzzwords onto a page

A more rigid class system where only who you know gets you a job.

So basically, you’d have to be born into it.

> replace the marker of education for employers
An iq test and interviews? We’re already at the point where grade inflation and ubiquitous education has made this “marker” useless. Only a handful of prestige educations are noteworthy to begin with. Even in STEM they want you competing directly with Pajeets and Changs where cheating is entirely normalized and half of them don’t know anything they’re supposed to and just wing it.
Somehow the system is fine with this and just evaluating them on a case by case basis. Why do we need this paper chase again?

>iq test

That’s a discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen if a company requires that for applicants.

is it legal in the US to hire based on IQ testing?

I thought I remembered reading that it was not, but maybe that was just for federal jobs

Either way, you are right that an IQ test (or something like it) will be the only real way to test quality. Most of these fucking colleges are going to stop even looking at standardized test scores in the next few years

We’ll just rename it aptitude test sweaty.

There’s thousands of potential foreign students who are clamoring for a degree from an American university because even a mid-level state college is better then most foreign colleges.

So the colleges will recruit more of those students and reap money from then.

The system goes on.

>We don't care, should have learned to code
CS department is the largest department at Georgia Tech

They literally got rid of standardized tests so that they can accept less Asian applicants.

It’s going to be great once that Harvard lawsuit wins at the majority-conservative Supreme Court and any college that receives government funds can no longer do affirmative action.

>even a mid-level state college is better then most foreign colleges.

is this going to continue being the case though? I feel like the slide away from meritocracy is going to destroy the clout that American degrees hold with the rest of the world, especially Asia. That is my gut feeling anyways

The competition for professor positions is now high enough that they can ramp up the corporate hells of stack ranking and yearly evaluations. It’s getting systematized. Salaries are going down or bimodal, like with being a lawyer a few decades ago.

>It’s a world-class research institution.
lmao not for long anymore, what a bunch of retards, gg

You life and career is up for peer review sweetie. This space is for political activists and cowardly allies.

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You can absolutely bet your ass that the first people to fail performance reviews are the ones keeping the flame of western civilization and erudition alive, and not the queerfagging french theorists.
It is going to be the Harold Blooms that are fired, not the Judith Butlers.

>Why do we need this paper chase again?
It’s partly a manner of gatekeeping certain positions, which is most obvious in the Ivy League since getting into those schools basically signals not just that you are a big brain, but also that you probably come from a good family with social connections, and of course that is huge in any business. But the other part is a genuine need for training, and to corporate hr it was pretty clear that if you were hiring somebody who was young and green but they at least had some paper, then that hopefully takes weight off of you for training them. Training is just a cost, and if the workforce can bare that cost through college then all the better for business. But then a stupid cycle emerged where politicians clung to the dream of raising everyone’s incomes through college, and then college increasingly has turned into a 2nd round of public school. Standards drop just to get people through, both because for the university that makes “happy customers”, and for wider social conditions it manages to meet some political goals for sitting parties. But then the paper gets devalued, and now businesses are simultaneously still demanding degrees but coming around to thinking that the new hires probably don’t know much anyways and will still have to be significantly onboarded. In cases like tech there grew the culture of just wanting to see that you knew “how to code”, and if you can show it somehow (like engaging in development of open software and stuff) then nobody cares if you have a degree. Other STEM industries it isn’t so easy to independently prove your knowledge, so they just kind of default to requiring the paper, because at least it MAYBE indicates you know more than the guy who doesn’t have it.

But I do wonder if we might pivot into more independent certification stuff. I’d imagine that would require university standards to have really fallen, and for some companies to take leaps of faith on new certification programs that end up paying off for them. Basically the worker just self-studies, passes some modestly priced exams, and they get their cert that is increasingly considered equivalent to a bachelors in whatever field.

We’ll see, it rests on the perceived reputation that these colleges have in foreign countries.

It rests on how high up these degrees can take someone in their own country.

/qa/ won

I never went there and I don't know why people keep saying this. I don't even know what they lost.

Oh no, professors will be held accountable just like everyone else in every other profession. How terrible.

A better system might be a test anyone can pay to take to prove their knowledge in a specific field. Passing the test gives you certification proving your knowledge to employers.

Taking the test doesn’t require a degree, but you can take formal classes that can help you pass the exam you want.

Uh, yeah.
>It has come to the attention of the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion board that your research into Shakespearan drama has not lived up to the ethical code of this institution of giving a voice to marginalized BIPOC and their struggles
>based Yea Forumsprofessor is replaced by a grievancenigger who does nothing but study the grievances of niggers
Tenure exists to protect academic freedom, something that isn't exactly having its glory days right now. You're just accelerating the decline of real erudition and scholarship.

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Does it really matter whether or not there are any "based" humanities professors? Stem is all that matters in us schools, get erudite on your own time lul

Other user here. While I agree with you generally, it’s the death of the classics departments and the study of canon that marks the real beginning of the death of the humanities. Back when they really were teaching people to read latin and ancient greek to read the classics in their original languages. It did matter a great deal, but that time was at least 50 years ago.

I figure the scholars will still be around but they'll be funded in different ways. I gotta admit tho, I don't care much what happens to the current classics departments people. Maybe if we have a data apocalypse I'll think some institution like the university needs to preserve it all, but this really is the golden age for self-directed study. I'd say they should unironically throw themselves into the market and try to find a way to monetize their knowledge, but I don't think they'd be happy with what would very likely be incredibly meager earnings doing that. They could try to do what scholarly people have done for millenia, try to find rich people that want to support them. The universities are kind of that, but the problem for the humanities people is that the majority of middling universities are turning into diploma mills for people seeking careers. So those universities see them as a drain and try to cut their funding as much as possible. I dunno if they could take some other approach outside of the universities to finding some rich people willing to just spend money on a bunch of scholars to raise their own esteem.

I both feel bad that this is happening and a strong sense of nihilism that the academics wasted their freedom and set up this scenario in the first place

>You're just accelerating the decline of real erudition and scholarship.
This is what has me so torn. A part of me strongly feels this is the only way to move forward and end this stagnation

>How much more research is there to be done on these texts really?

It's about cultivating character, not heckin' scientific discoveries.

It's somewhat restricted due to Civil Rights law declaring that it's racist to simply use IQ tests to hire for any old job, no companies give them and just use college name as a proxy.

We don't need no college education. They all push liberal view points

oh nooo muh ivory tower

This is just going to be used as a smoke screen to remove any resistance, isn't it? I guess things weren't moving along quite as fast as they had hoped.

>beginning of the death of the humanities
Classics are already badly POZZED

Sure, but you don't need a large research faculty if you're just having kids read to "build character". This doesn't happen either btw, many well-read intellectuals were shills for Communism or Fascism during the 20th Century. Reading does not build character.

Yeah, bullshit. Tenure has been used as a bludgeon by the establishment for decades to ensure conformity and complacency.