>victorian lit class >learning about this guy >go way into the trial >student in the front points out that this man had evidence he fucked 13-15 year olds while he was in his late 40's against him >prof has a meltdown, spends two minites trying to 'add context' then says it doesnt matter >different student asks why the fuck it doesnt matter >IT. JUST. DOESNT. OKAY? >prof red faced, white knuckling his powerpoint clicker >finished the class, prof sends out an email he wont be allowing any more homophobia in his class
So why are people so defensive of this? He was a preening sodomite and fucked street urchin gay hookers, why do people just ignore that?
Wilde wouldn’t be such a great writer without his degenerate life experience. Twink prostitutes would get fucked by a hundred different perverts regardless.
Christian Taylor
Similar thing happened to me in early woke hysteria days. said the same thing about Burroughs... "kinda messed up how this guy fucked so many boys in South America" and got furious looks and dismissive answers, I never even got the homophobia angle to way later. I'm far better at telling what can and can't be said among those types now.
Jason Bailey
You had a woke phase? Come on, man
Ryder Wright
>student in the front points out that this man had evidence he fucked 13-15 year olds while he was in his late 40's against him The age of consent had only been raised like several years before the trial. People back then only cared about the fact he was fucking males. They didn't care about the fact they were minors. They didn't have the same moral standards.
It's not really a woke thing because the woke types are very keen to cancel the predatory dead old white dudes
Ryan Rodriguez
My modern lit professor once told us during a lecture that ezra pound 'told a few jokes' over the radio, which was why he was imprisoned.
Samuel Walker
No way maaaaaaaan... I meant it happened in the early woke days before 2016, when Tumblr-derived outrage politics started becoming popular.
Josiah Garcia
>It's not really a woke thing because the woke types are very keen to cancel the predatory dead old white dudes Less so when they're homosexuals. Even the Foucault cancellation's never really took off. Not like Penguin will axe his books or anything.
James Jackson
I was delving into Mutualism a bit during that time
Mind you I didn't escape Ancapistan until my early 30s
Samuel Morgan
You can't divorce the work from the author?
Ryan Thompson
Not literary but I know a guy online who stans Jimmy Savile
Jacob Ramirez
Based.
David Brown
Maybe personally, but not academically. If you're learning about an author, personal and historical context are both important to understanding their work.
Christopher Cruz
Ultimately when you are considering the influences and attitudes that the work was produced out of, yes that is important, but I mean when viewing it as a work in itself. It doesn't make sense to say 'this book is bad because the author fucked kids' or especially 'this book is bad because the author would then go on to fuck kids'. You should be able to repudiate the actions of the author in history while still considering a book on its own merits. I find it ironic how this board constantly moans about 'cancelling' authors and the school of resentment but do the exact same thing in threads like these.
Anthony Moore
I agree, and in op's case I don't think kiddy diddling is all that relevant to Wilde's work. It's just that divorcing the author from their work entirely is a fool's errand.
Eli Smith
I see your point and agree with you.
Jeremiah Perry
>Wilde had sex with 13 - 15 year old Based >boys Cringe
He was made to drink hemlock, can't cancel a man more than that until nerds started with the Greek.
Christian Walker
based man with based opinions
Logan Robinson
>then says it doesnt matter based professor dunking on moralfags
Mason Myers
It was a woman, which makes it all the more based.
Zachary Smith
Never happened but this is such standard libshit cope >spends two minites trying to 'add context'
Thomas Ross
Wilde is pretty cute
Camden Wood
>Charles Gill (prosecuting): What is "the love that dare not speak its name"?
>Wilde: "The love that dare not speak its name" in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare. It is that deep spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art, like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as "the love that dare not speak its name", and on that account of it I am placed where I am now. It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an older and a younger man, when the older man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life before him. That it should be so, the world does not understand. The world mocks at it, and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it.
Carter Stewart
Is a good academic someone who is quick to make moral judgements or does he suspend his urge to judge so that he might understand?
Owen Watson
ngl this is pretentious as fuck, like everyone thinks that their personal specific proclivities are really profound and divine, just say you like boys
Adam Anderson
No, I don't think so, I think most works that are deep and personal to the author (all good quality books) are the results of opinions and ideas they have thought. When you write you are pouring every bit of your mind into the work you create even if you don't realize it. Homos liking younger guys is so fucking prevalent in gay literature, It's absolutely relevant to his work
Chase Garcia
[men] liking younger [people] is so fucking prevalent in [...] literature
Brandon Wright
>bro..you cant judge him for being a boy rapist, you have to suspend your judgement until you FULLY UNDERSTAND
you people are actual subhumans and this attitude is responsible for virtually every problem humanity faces
Josiah Perry
>why do people just ignore that Why would I give a shit? Moralfags are gay (intellectually as well as sexually) and also reddit.
Christopher Howard
you may not realize it yet but you will never be a woman
Alexander Richardson
you may not realize it yet but you will never be a woman
Jeremiah Hernandez
It's literally the opposite. You moralists are always justifying the atrocities you commit on moral grounds. Those who are a little less eager to judge are far more prudent and reasonable.
Levi Lewis
>kill all boy rapists or communists or what have you >omg you moralists and your atrocities! top zoz, its self defense not an atrocity
Luke Hall
It's entirely possible, but the entirety of Wilde studies is built around the opposite. He's studied as one huge pile of social commentary.
Jace Thompson
>>kill all communists I endorse this message
Mason Gonzalez
You're only lending credence to my point. I don't know why I waste my time interacting with lost causes like you. You're trapped in your little moral world.
Cameron Baker
this.
Jayden Rogers
morals are based, purity is based, fucking twinks in a back alley is not. why do degenerate cunnyfags and boyfuckers think having morals is a stain on MY character?
Andrew Wright
>morals are based, purity is based Actually both of those are very cringe.
Gabriel Ward
>You're only lending credence to my point good, I have no problems with you claiming that I use my moral compass to guide me to judge and eliminate boy rapists, and you are also helping to prove my point that you are a subhuman by desperately trying to defend boy rapist from judgement using pseudo-intellectualism as a cloak, proving my point that such """"atrocities""""" are justified as you are evil and present a real and present threat to society. >..but bro, you cant rush to judgement, boy rapists might not pose a danger to society kek
if flies could talk they'd wax poetic about eating shit too. kill yourself
Hudson Watson
It's Boise who liked them that young. Wilde liked what would be now of age twinks. The risque part of Boise and Wilde's relationship for Wilde was that Boise was still in university when he met him-- uni students were considered not yet men. Boise was into even younger kids, but he never got into a defamation suit over it and never got criminally charged. The rent boys Wilde did get convicted of would be of legal age if the court case was current.
Aaron Flores
>morals are based, purity is based, fucking twinks in a back alley is not Start with the Greeks. Fucking twinks is virtuous
I think he was banking on woketards being too lazy to look up his bio.
Isaac Taylor
is this what arthoes classes are in college? and they pay tens of thousands for this retarded crap? based banks looting women and low t men
Michael Morris
Homosexuality and pederasty are the same thing.
Isaiah Cook
you WILL PAY roasties' loans and YOU WILL BE HAPPY
Ethan Jackson
>victorian lit class >putting a professor in the position of having to defend sexual relations below the current age of consent in today's cancel culture when his position is highly vulnerable to it Frankly he should have just ended the lecture there instead of making any comment on it at all. We here all know all the dirty secrets about homos and pedos and horny teens, but the professor can't explain that when someone's probably already recording his lecture. >So why are people so defensive of this? He was a preening sodomite and fucked street urchin gay hookers, why do people just ignore that? On the one hand, you know exactly why people are defensive of that kind of behavior. As to why people ignore it, it has very little bearing on the literary value of his works. A s a sophisticated reader, you should be able to separate the author and his works, and if you can't do that, you should just refrain from commenting on the works entirely, because you're overly biased.
Tyler Johnson
I don't care that he fucked young adolescent boys. Reading what he wrote doesn't signify an endorsement of his character or make you his friend. Besides, he's dead. Go back to twitter you sjw cancel-happy faggot.