Has there been any good responses to this book so far? I couldn't find any

Has there been any good responses to this book so far? I couldn't find any.

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Who cares

Me. That's why I made the thread.

No you don't

atheistbros…
we lost

No. Hart is irrefutable. You should see his recent take down of Ed Feser

davidbentleyhart.substack.com/p/edward-fesers-sub-christian-dualism

>Me
You're the only one. This book isn't going to make atheists change their mind, you're not going to make people change their minds in general, stop wasting your time. Nobody ever went
>man this internet argument sure made me see things differently and reconsider my entire belief system

I do. I like modern theological debates. I think they improved significantly since Dawkins era.

>This book isn't going to make atheists change their mind
I don't care

>I promised in my last email to you that I would reply to your recent review of my book You Are Gods soon. As you see, I have borrowed your title, with alterations. I apologize for not responding with the furious instantaneity that has always characterized our public exchanges in the past; it is not because of any indifference on my part, but only because I am preparing for a conference in Ireland at the month’s end and am behind on everything. I regret, of course, that since we struck a (second or third) rhetorical armistice a couple years ago, I cannot indulge in the sort of—well, let’s call it “light badinage” that used to make this sort of thing more entertaining for me. I used to relish the contrapuntal differences between my style of humor (H.L. Mencken, S.J. Perelman, Charles Lamb, Thomas Love Peacock) and yours (Photoshop, endless variations on the hilarious homophony of “Hart” and “heart,” and so on); but those days, alas, are long gone.
Cringe

>I read a book written by retards for retards and I need yet another retard to tell me what to think about it
Stop shilling the "work" of failed academics who shit out self-published crap aimed at those who don't know any better. Read books of quality. Learn to think for yourself.

What's wrong with the book? He has good knowledge of neoplatonism and thomism.

>I think they improved significantly since Dawkins era.
the god delusion was published in 2006. hart's book was published in 2009 so it is definitely from "the dawkins era", when a number of books with titles like "_______ delusion(s)" were published as hastily-written cash-in responses to dawkins' book.
there is no need to "respond" to hart's book since it does not really make any new arguments. it is mainly just a comfort blanket for thin-skinned religionists who feel somehow embittered by the fact that they can no longer burn heretics at the stake. the battle is lost- dawkins had already won. get fucked, hart, you lardy slapheaded turd.
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that passage made me kek

>dawkins had already won
I can see it, like when dealing criticized islam a couple of years ago and had all of his debates cancelled for being an islamophobe. Or looking at how islam only continues to grow in Europe. He truly won uh?

Presumably: why Jesus instead of Allah.
No good answer.

>dawkins had already won

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Islam. Orthodox View by Daniel Sysoev (martyred by Muslims)
azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/islam-orthodox-view/

St. John of Damascus’s Critique of Islam
orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx

The Qur’an is full of errors. It says that Jesus did not die on the cross, it confuses Mary, mother of Jesus, with Miriam, sister of Moses, even saying that Mary has is the sister of Aaron and has a father named Imran (Amram).

The Islamic prophet Dhu al-Qurnayn (He of Two Horns) is traditionally identified with pagan king Alexander the Great. His name comes from coins depicting him as Zeus Ammon, a two-horned pagan god. Hardly a champion of monotheism, here! Dhu al-Qurnayn’s stories are also filled with information from Syrian legends like called the Alexander Romance, saying that the sun sets in a pool of murky water in the West.

There are also no prophecies predicting Muhammad in previous scriptures. Muslims also declare all previous scriptures corrupted to avoid this problem, but the Qur’an remains unproven. There is no historical evidence for any of this alleged corruption. The Qur’an also asks Christians (5:47) to judge by the Gospel to assess the Qur’an’s claims, but why would Allah ask us to judge by a corrupted scripture, or a scripture that has been lost? It’s stupid, and there’s no evidence of the “book” given to Jesus.

Muhammad was also a caravan-robbing polygamist pedophile. Jesus said to judge prophets by their fruits. Muhammad fails on all accounts. John, Jude, Paul and many others warn against false prophets that will come to lead men from the Gospel. Muhammad is one. Paul even warns of Satan disguising himself as an “angel of light”. Muhammad got his revelation from “Jibreel”, an entity claiming to be Gabriel giving him revelation contradicting all previous scripture. He never got the Qur’an from God. It was all from Jibreel.

The earliest generations of Christians—Paul, the Twelve, Ignatius of Antioch, Irenaeus, Polycarp, etc. all declared Jesus Christ to be divine, just like the OT teaches. It also denies historical facts such as crucifixion and baselessly declares the entire Bible ‘tahrif’ or corrupt—also refuted by manuscript evidence

k.
Then why Jesus instead of Buddha?

Dawkins gets to spend the rest of his life in Muslim controlled Britbongistan, the culture of his nation utterly annihilated and the hordes of NPCs he helped create attacking him for daring to deny that women can have penises.

If only he had listened

Author is a socialist.

Because it's easier and more contrarian nowadays to be a christlarper

>but what about my random cult
Irrelevant, philosophically hollow, inconsistent, self-defeating, and worthless.

this post applies perfectly to christianity lmao

How so?

Then why did God make it have hundreds of millions of followers instead of having his son take a trip over there and show them the light?

In the exact same way as it applies to Buddhism.

He did help Christians take over the globe and spread the Gospel. If people refuse to see the light, it's their choice.

How is Christianity philosophically hollow? It has the richest philosophical tradition among all religions. No, some arbitrary criticism doesn't apply to every religion because muh cultural relativism and subjective truth.

So he believes that some guy in Roman times rose from the dead and has the gall to attack others for their delusions.

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>How is Christianity philosophically hollow?
>muh good man died unjustly, he was so good and he suffered so much, be sad.
So much of Christian fervor is about pushing this sob story. Beyond that, much of it's philosophy is trying to make sense of absurd concepts like the trinity.

>filtered by the trinity
Christ, you ain’t a bright one are you?

Are you your own father?

>t. never read any theology or church fathers

So this guy who rose from the dead was actually God, the creator of all things, but also he was his son, and also he and God are both something called the Holy Spirit, who wrote the Bible, at the same time?

>god is a material substance
The concept of trinity was treated in neoplatonism too.

Oh you mean the thing christers lifted from the wicked pagans so their system would be more than "just believe me bro, my sorceror said you're going to hell if you don't"

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Ice, liquid water and steam are three different things but still are all H2O. Dumb fucker.

But you haven't read neoplatonists nor theologians. You're literally just a seething brainlet angry at God knows what.

Convoluted attempt to avoid violating the tenets of the old religion, which ban polytheism, in order to claim succession to it with a new charismatic founder

Also... Jesus who is also his dad, sits at his dad's side in Heaven and one day he's gonna come back down to Earth and resurrect ALL the people who've ever lived even if they've long since turned to dust, and he's gonna punish all the bad guys by sending them to Hell and also if you don't believe this you also go to Hell, is that right?

>you just haven't read x or you'd agree with my interpretation
doubtful on both accounts, sorry

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>H2O states are too convoluted for his brain
lmaoooo please make a lobotomy to see if you get smarter

So, that's incorrect? I'm just repeating what it says in the Athanasian Creed, which wikipedia tells me is
>Widely accepted among Western Christians, including the Roman Catholic Church as well as some Anglican churches, Lutheran churches, and ancient liturgical churches
If my interpretation is wrong, plz correct me.

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>coping this hard when confronted with Christian belief

>Ice, liquid water and steam are three different things but still are all H2O. Dumb fucker.
that's the modalism heresy, kek

>Read the Church Fathers
>Here's what Athanasius says
>NOOOOOOOO UR SOIJAK

Great posts.
Cope post.

It's literally only formulated in order to avoid running afoul of the religion of the "Old" Testament, where God is the only God and has no Son or Spirit—those would be "strange," i.e. foreign religious notions, like idols or icons for instance, as revered by Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, etc., and they couldn't have that or it would lead to assimilation and the end of Yahweh as an independent deity. But by modifying Greek ideas of God as a trinity of powers he can now be a trinity of consubstantial persons possesing those powers, which is nominally compliant with the rules handed down from Sinai but to a less devotional observer are no more than awkward attempts to square developments in religious sentiment and custom with the traditional system in order to claim a deeper antiquity. Christers will go so far as to say Moses knew of Jesus and that his system was taught to Plato! Because if that's not true, their half-Greek religion would violate the covenant!

No it isn’t. Modalism states that the modes are only different names for God with no much difference between them.

What a load of bullshit. Take your meds, seriously. You’re no different than those freaks who watch a video proving the earth is really flat and then start spitting that schizophrenic babble. Next are you going to say how Jesus took a lot of things from previous Gods and historical people like Alexander the Great? lol

>richest philosophical tradition among all religions
>500 years of scholastic turboautism
>"""""rich tradition"""""
btw, richest philosophical tradition would be judaism.

Not quite, hell and the dead all get cast into the lake of fire. I'll let someone else say whether there's a newer translation of Lake of fire.

Who's the Aquinas of judaism lol

Because they don't actually believe and are just LARPing. Really Christians dgaf about philosophy because they actually have faith.

>people who disbelieve my fairy tale larping are flat-earther tier
hilarious coming from someone who "converted" because he likes gothic architecture on Twitter

Cont. Come to think of it I don't remember anything suggesting the lake of fire would be eternal suffering and not just insta-crispied into nothing. Pretty sure only the faithful are resurrected. Anyone who has read the bible more recently let me. Know if I'm wrong here.

As Paul said to his fellow anti-Romans, philosophy is sinful pride.

the most common description of it is "it's a mystery" if you actually try to go further you are most likely gonna accidentally repeat some heretical viewpoint. The reason being that it was made up as a compromise hundreds of years after christ.

the Athanasian Creed says
re: baddies
>they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire
re: those who don't believe in the Trinity
>without doubt they shall perish everlastingly
Are the everlasting perishing and the everlasting fire connected, idk
as for the dead and Jesus
>he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies

>Really Christians dgaf about philosophy
>Except all the Christian philosophers, theologians and scientists.

Don’t forget that almost all noble prize winners were christians

No, it says they are 3 modes, hence the name, just like ice, liquid and steam are 3 modes of water

I'm aware, I just don't recall any actual scripture supporting it.

You literally posted a bunch of schizo conspiracy ramblings. It’s amazing how people like you manage to breathe.

Because smart people don't do something socially hostile like convert to a medievalist atavism that requires them to denounce all their contemporaries as satanic. You're doing "i made this" as per usual

That was meant to be real Christians. SwiftKey. Also
Is correct. Milton even showed philosophising to be one of the worst tortures of hell that fallen angels are subject to.
Regardless, what I'm saying is that the scribes and edgy Yea Forums larpers aren't Christians. They probably aren't even deists. As ever Yea Forums is just edgy contrarians.

>a bunch of schizo conspiracy ramblings
Is that how you would describe what happened on the road to Emmaus?

>my book is irrefutable :DDDD
>chegmage atheisds :DDD

You’re wrong. Modalism state that there are 3 modes of God which aren’t distinct and there is one God personhood. Ice water and steam obviously are distinct therefore aren’t similar to Modalism. I love proving people who think they know something wrong.