Is there any rebuttal to pic related...

Is there any rebuttal to pic related? I have my first salaried job out of college and my experience seems to affirm everything he says. I am shocked by how little actual work I do - on a good day maybe 3 hours, but usually less. As far as I can tell, most of my coworkers aren't doing much more than me, with some telling me over lunch that pretending to be busy for most of the day is normal.
despite this we all get paid well, far more than almost any wage earners. Is it really possible that such a large number of professional workers are basically just economic parasites, or is there more to the story than this?

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Unless you are in the trades most jobs are fucking bullshit busywork. I used to work at a library and the librarians spent most of their time watching YouTube videos. It's a wonder that shit ever got done at that place.

i think he's basically right, but his proposed solutions- UBI and more unionization are obvious motivated reasoning.

I guarantee Gaybar has ever worked an honest day in his life and its likely due to nepotism

Having to actually do office work for 8-10 hours per day is incredibly mentally draining in a way that's hard to understand until you've done it, which is why jobs that require that much work like those in banking generally pay well into the 6 figures to start. Most of the time you have position with less than 8 hours of work per day that isn't very time sensitive, but it still has to get done eventually and get done right, so it's worth just accepting that realistically the person you hire isn't working straight through their hours. If you try to load someone up like that they're either A) going to simply quit and find any other similar job that won't load them up like that or B) demand more money. It's easier to justify paying two people $80k/yr than it is paying one person $150k/yr because you can pretend that those two people are doing twice the work of that one person. I haven't read this and I don't know what his argument is but I'd say it's not really accurate to call a job like yours (or mine currently) bullshit. Obviously you don't literally do nothing, you do something even if it is only a few hours of work. Somebody has to do that work.

I'm not making bank or anything, but I'm keeping up with my friends and family and it's amazing how little I work. Lets just say I work in social work, I spend 9 to 12 hour shifts with my thumb up my ass and the only time I'm expected to work is to ferry around clients and call the cops when shit hits the fan. 90% of my existence is figuring out ways to occupy myself on the job.

yeah I work a salaried office job making just shy of six figures and I never work the full 8 hours. on average it's probably about 2-4 (which includes meetings), sometimes more like 6, some days literally zero. I do solid work and meet my deadlines and everything so I get good raises and bonuses etc. but yeah it's mostly bullshit.

>Is there any rebuttal to pic related?
No there isn't and if there is it's just wagies coping about how they're ackshyually Defending Western Civilization(tm) by checking your receipt at walmart and making sure you're not "stealing" food even though its going to get restocked in the next day

UBI and unions are in the right vein. Power needs to be shifted away from the centers of capital and back towards the average citizen and worker. The most direct way of doing this is direct cash payments equaling the lowest level of sustainable living so that no person is forced into accepting work they don't actually want to do. This shifts the balance of power back towards the worker and forces employers to be more efficient in only offering jobs which NEED to be filled and then offer higher pay to be able to hire people. But, as Marx pointed out, a permanent surplus supply of labor is what capital wants in order to suppress wages. It's also likely the reason slavery was allowed to be dispensed with, because you can obtain labor for less outlay of capital and less ongoing pay if you can simply buy surplus labor. This is especially the case if workers are subsidized by food stamps and the like but not quite enough to live on which forces them to work for insultingly low wages because the government picks up some of the other costs. To be clear, the current system of welfare is designed to keep people poor and desperate to work, not to empower people which a UBI would do.

That's actually a pretty sensible answer and probably more accurate than whatever's in OP's book. I do a trade-type job where there's always a possibility of shit breaking and needing to be fixed ASAP, so I have big chunks of downtime during the typical shift. It's not a question of inefficiency, it's that the company is willing to pay someone to just be ready to go at a moment's notice without having to pull them away from something else important.

>food just magically reappears on shelves with zero impact to the bottom line

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Honestly, not that I can think of.

Most office workers I know are quite proud of their parasitism and I think that's why I prefer blue collar work.

>it’s not stealing because restocking

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No, UBI is not in the right vein. People should own their own means of support as much as possible, not rely on government dole.

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so UBI only works when it has a Christian flavour and Catholic seal of approval? ok

>Marx

Opinion DISCARDED

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Man owning a fishing rod > giving a man a fish

I'm not that guy, but there is a difference between distributism and UBI. Distributism proposes widespread property and business ownership. UBI proposes continuing to leave capital concentrated in corporations but putting the whole citizenry on the dole in order to make them more secure and improve their lot.

The problem I have with distributism is that it is detached from reality. How can we "distribute" industry? Each family own a single assembly line, and put out a few cars a day? The neighbors ship the cars to the dealer? But this loses economies of scale surely. What I'm saying is that even if we abolish Walmart and Amazon, and subsidize family owned retail establishments, that's still only one portion of the economy. There are still whole sectors that don't seem amenable to single family ownership at all, or even "clan" ownership.

UBI is only in the right vein if the population is small. I would never, EVER trust the corrupt, inept, and inefficient system known as the US govt. to handle such a thing.

I am not reading the rest.

Oy gevalt

Off topic, but does this book address how to actually get one of these cushy bullshit jobs?

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It's not particularly hard to get something mind-numbing that pays ~$80K in a city

The hard part comes when you want to get some bullshit job that pays $200K+ and isn't completely idiotic

Open to suggestions

Great theory, fails in practice since this requires the total suppression of the free market, and as such, people's freedom to dispose of their property as they see fit. It'll be up to whatever authority you put in place to "distribute" the property, which will essentially devolve into full on communism. Socialism is a much better model where free citizens can use their capital in total freedom, but the gains made are heavily taxed in the spirit of offering the basic money flow to every single citizen so everyone can become successful.
Marx was right about a great many things, if you can't get passed your own personal bias against an ideology which claims his name you will forever remain a brainlet
>Giant corpo fishing the shores and rivers clean of fish
Whole lot of good a fishing rod is then
You are correct, distributism destroys the model of the free market in favor of authoritarian distribution (essentially communism)
>I am not reading
You fit right in here on Yea Forums then

>food comes from the grocery store
Literally Sub-Saharan African thinking.

I'm of the opinion large corporations should simply not exist, import tariffs should be raised and everything should be sourced at the most local level possible. guilds can be an option too, but that's only something to consider, not to put into practice quite yet.

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>Somebody has to do that work.
Until it can be automated or sent to India. The real bullshit jobs are just the inefficient tasks pending an investment by corporate in that kind of solution

Walmart and Amazon are like stirrups or gunpowder or flight or nuclear weapons. They don't get uninvented. This is the dominant method of waging commerce for the forseeable future.

I see and how might someone go about finding an 80k type job if they already live in the city?
Honestly I'm thinking I'm just going to burn all my savings and buy a franchise of somesorts as my ticket out of chronic unemployment and neetdom. But obviously a 80k job bullshit job would be safer.

Correct

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Be born into a Middle Class or Upper Middle Class family and 'network'.

Sorry, but if you're born Lower-Middle Class, you're going to have to work to get those jobs.

If you're born Lower Class, you're going to have to fight like hell and get really lucky to get one.

Not true in the slightest
Get college degree (more difficult if your family is lower class, but completely doable), get office internship in college (field doesn't matter much), apply to every single office job in town after college (takes a while but you should get one eventually), get a little bit of experience on your resume, apply to entry level government positions (ideal for bullshit), or other similar jobs. Soon enough you should have a bullshit job. If you skipped steps one and two the process may be more difficult.
>t. bullshit government worker
Also my dad dropped out of high school and my mom got an art degree in her 30s so 'networking' and family connections had nothing to do with it.

This is why I unironically prefer factory work to office work. Yea yea I'm a wagie but at least my 9 to 5 involves helping to make something. I don't come from money and I have to work to pay my bills so why not do something I at least somewhat enjoy? Office work, and this includes WFH office work, fucking sucks in my opinion. Totally soul draining, anti-social, increased atomization, further death-of-the-soul type stuff. Have fun WFH on your Zoom calls and isolating yourself further from other human beings.

t. schizo electrical engineer

>Is it really possible that such a large number of professional workers are basically just economic parasites, or is there more to the story than this?
Nah genuinely think about your day:
>8 hours there
>1 hour for useless meeting and talking to people
>.5 for lunch
>.5 for random breaks
you're already down to 6, assume you're waiting on feedback for an hour total and boom 5. A true bullshit job (having had one) will have 30 minutes of work a day tops. I currently work 10-30 hrs a week (remote), and this is a real job. The best way to describe it is that before you came along your manager wasn't doing 80 hours of work, probably 50-55, and now they'll do 40-45. This translates into 10 hours for someone competent and 25-40 for someone mediocre.

The really experienced management consultants I've worked with estimate 3 hours of true work a day

FAANGM SWE

>let's fix this problem caused by buracracy with buracracy

Look for anything with the word analyst in the title. Companies are desperate for rational thinkers who can analyse problems using structured reasoning and data. Data Analyst, Analyst, and anything of the sort and you'll be golden. Try to learn SQL and Excel and you'll be fine.

UBI sounds like a great step forward if our collective goal is to attempt to build a functioning humane economy. The number of people who would be permanently satisfied with a basic income would be proportionally small and manageable by taxing the wealthy/corporations while removing the fearful grind for survival that has created the working poor, and aside from the mentally ill end homelessness.

Everyone would be able to quit a job they don't find fulfilling or purposeful knowing that they wouldn't need to fear for shelter or sustenance until they found something new. It makes so much sense corporate industry employers and the government representatives they own would fight it with all their power. Imagine a world where an employer like amazon actually had to give a fuck about your needs rather than knowing you have no choice so they can give you the bare minimum in wages/respect because it's take it or be unemployed. The power shift would be transformative.

I have experience with Excel but jobs simply won't hire due to lack of college credentials and/or not "knowing someone in the company"

Exactly this, and its a well explored insight all the way back to Coase and the theory of the firm. The alternative to having people sitting around twiddling their thumbs is trying to contract out work when you need it, which does not work for critical work or work that needs deep insight.

Thanks for the tip
How do I get over the qualifications barrier? I have a masters degree, but it's got nothing to do with analysis.
I'm good enough at Excel. must learn SQL but it seems rather straight forward once you understand the 'theory' of databases.

I had a job for two years where I had so little to do that I spent most of my work day doing freelance editing work so I was making double pay. No one noticed or questioned what I did.

reads like something an undergrad soc major would write (no offense I have an econ degree myself although I'll always look down on the other liberal arts in true douchebag econ fashion). Too much theory, A LOT of assumptions about people. My advice is get out and experience the real world in all it's beauty and ugliness. This story you paint where wow, we could get rid of homelessness and hunger and everyone would be doing work they enjoy for great pay and great hours if only we could do something about those evil __________ (take your pick whether it is the wealthy, corporations, government, capitalism, jews, etc.) is extremely reductionist and implies a lack of engagement with these issues outside of a classroom setting

you're leaving out the part where managers and owners are willing to waste money just to feel important. the real logic behind hiring two people instead of one for the same price to do the same amount of work is so that their manager can show off how important he is because he has more workers under him. assuming business decisions are always made with efficiency in mind is hilariously naive

there's 8 billion humans and rising on this planet and 4.5 billion of them appeared in the last 50 years. food is not in short supply

Define "real work." Don't even bother totting out the LTV

"freedom to dispose of your property as you see feet" = "go into perpetual debt slavery after a patch of bad luck"

>Too much theory, A LOT of assumptions about people
also
>no reasonable plan to move toward ideals
>no mention if anybody even wants this crap except academics
>no consideration of outside factors
>no historical precedents
if a frog had wings he wouldnt bump his ass when he hopped.

were they correct?

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>Too much theory, A LOT of assumptions about people.
>econ major
well you would know

>The problems of modern society are caused by bureaucracy, not the anti-social allocation of private capital
Wrong

a job you can describe in three words or less

and why should i believe that?

Easy: "I send emails." Problem?

Sending emails
Done, only needed two

sounds like you fellers have bullshit jobs

>ivy league jew professor wants to tell me about "real work"

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what do you do for a living, user?

Better than being an academic communist desu

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> is extremely reductionist and implies a lack of engagement with these issues outside of a classroom setting.

This is why nothing ever moves forward. Everything's too complicated, everything's too hard, everything sucks because it does don't be so naive as to look for solutions. It's much easier to condescend and pontificate than actually take action.

i sell artwork. there did i pass your fake test?

How much for a furry commission?