/wg/ Writing General

Old Bread: I'm Gonna Scam Patreonbux Edition
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Reads related to honing the craft:
>pastebin.com/krJFfUfK (old reading list)
>pastebin.com/1KA24gny (new reading list)

Aditional related reads:
>pastebin.com/dXtFsTUh

Youtube playlist on storytelling:
>youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTCv6n1whoI23GmdBZienRW0Q0nFCU_ay

Self publishing websites:
>pastebin.com/zcKB1gN9

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/wg/ author pastebin + user flash fiction anthology
>pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ

Previous flash fiction anthologies
>archive.org/details/@_lit_anthology

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Other urls found in this thread:

litreactor.com/essays/chuck-palahniuk/nuts-and-bolts-“thought”-verbs
hugedildo.com/
pastebin.com/eTyJwUxY
pastebin.com/ZH52bdnA
pastebin.com/iUjgj88W
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

No one writes in /wg/.

I will only ever release 1 series in my entire writing career.
I may write more, but if the first isn't a success then it proves that the world does not deserve the fruits of my effort and is beyond saving.

Getting unwanted feedback is so fucking awkward. I gave you my novel for you to read, not critique. It's 7 years old and you can't write your way out of your prologue.

What criticism, too.
>I don't know how but the prose feels anxious. Too desperate to keep the reader engaged.

What do you guys think of this?
litreactor.com/essays/chuck-palahniuk/nuts-and-bolts-“thought”-verbs

>noooo you can't say bad things about my writing! you have to compliment!1

>you have to compliment
Whomst've are you quoting?

>just read it and shutup!! don't say anything about my writing!!!1

I'm introducing the main character to four characters, two of whom aren't very vocal in the scene. I think I also subconsciously "staggered" the intros in a way by leaving one of the other cast members out. I think the scene flows decently, it's the one I've polished the most out of all of my work. If nothing I think I've tried to make the characters fun and entertaining, I just hope I haven't been too ambitious in how eccentric they are.

It's a helpful breakdown of how to properly show and not tell, a thing that people say but never really explain, but it's not always applicable. I have it bookmarked but sometimes a thing just needs to be told.

This general has become genuinely fucking embarassing. My god I guess this is the future of the artform, everyone who gives a shit just gave up, drowned under waves of anime watches who've never touched a binding of pages writing their glorified isekai screenplays for 30 dollars of patreon money, no talent no effort no beauty just a miserable mockery. Kill yourselves. Kill yourselves and then me.

Or, instead, read a fucking book. Christ. None of you have any fucking talent. Im not even being mean here, none of your writing justifies its existence. Read books. Stop writing fantasy prologues because you watched The Witcher last week. IT's gross. You cannot write. GOD. You'll roll out reams of your fucking schlock to no fanfare to total irrelvance and wonder what you've done wrong and you'll think you should have fucking marketed better and at no point will you ever red a fucking book.

Would anyone be able to take a look at the climax to this short story I'm writing? For context, Edward is a robot and his "wand" is a lazer that comes out of his hand.

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No, since no one writes, it would be no use.

Yet another overly extreme "show never tell" spiel. Notice how all his examples of the right way to write are 3x the length.

Yes, when writing a scene it's good to provide lots of specificity rich sensory information. No, that does not mean you should NEVER write something telly like, "Beth hated Jerry." because sometimes it's helpful to give fast and efficient info to set a scene, or if the info isn't especially core to the story, or because that tone fits the narrator/POV voice.

No one *reads

Shut the fuck up with your tired and unsubstantiated adage of simple descriptions. Post your writing when asserting things like this, Ive seen Chuck's writing, and it's certainly beyond whatever YA light novel wastewater you're pumping out to hawk this dogshit advice you piece of shit

Hey you fucking shit wallowing hack pumping pig, why the fuck are you giving anyone anything to read without expecting them to say something about it? A seven year old story? Why the fuck would anyone even want tot read that, you're no good now and you were certainly worse a fucking decade ago. What's that? That's the last thing you fucking finished? Seven years ago? Your life is spinning by you you old Yakubian ape you piece of shit better get busy

Try again my dear mongoloid, that wasn't an argument.

Argue with your mounting failures as an artist and your poorly attended funeral, closed casket because you blew the northern hemisphere of your fucking cranium off with a pump shotgun you talentless transvestite.

Yeah, I could see this becoming an occasional pasta.

I miss when we had anime in the OP pic. At least then, people actually wrote.

No one *reads

Second paragraph feels a bit tricky to follow, the language and pacing just doesn't really feel like it works, and the opening line of the third doesn't quite flow well, it seems too abstract for something as down and dirty as "shooting a robot until it dies". Rest is pretty solid though.

hey you fat piece of shit no one finds your little jokes funny and we all know you're a samefagging rodent

No one sneeds

This is terrible and turgid. Completely overwritten as well. Why specifify that he'd thrown the gun in front of him, are you writing for an audience of paste eating retards? Why the fuck are you describing shooting as Dungas' two barrels continued to explode behind the prone outlaw? What the fuck are you even trying to say? You've replaced beauty with overdevelopment, dumbass, read that sentence again, what is being done here for the reader? Is this being described in an exciting way, is the way you've described this beautiful in any way, is it novel at all besides the fact that you've described a man laying down as "the prone outlaw"?

This is shit buddy

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Is 21 too late to start writing? I feel like most people start in their teens. Of course anyone can write but will I ever be able to be proud of my works starting so late?

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You know this is a retarded question. 21 is too old, too old to be asking retarded questions like is 21 too old to be writing. You are entrusted by my government to drink. This is worrying

Read a single book and you will surpass the talents of every piece of shit in this general.

No it's not. If you're committed and not retarded, you can get skilled enough to be traditionally published in a couple years.

I think you should be more careful about the order in which you say things.

>The speckled head shot from the rims of the case like a geyser.
By the end of the sentence I've changed my mind about what "the speckled head" could mean, and it only really comes into focus by the end of the paragraph, when you say it's a snake. I should be able to picture the "speckled head" as soon as you describe it that way, otherwise I have to backtrack.
And the action starts with the case, from which the head then emerges, therefore it's natural to lead with the case and not the head, i.e.
>From the rims of the case shot a speckled snake head like a geyser.
(This is assuming that you haven't explained the weapon before, I realize I'm missing context.)

>Cullen dove for the revolver he'd thrown in front of him
The past perfect tense is a sign that something's off. Don't say that he threw the revolver, go back to the previous paragraph and describe him throwing it.

Any writing discord worth joining? This general is going to shit.

It's been terrible since royal road posters became the norm. You are not writers anymore that a watery shit stain on my toilet bowl is an art piece. You are killing this art form.

Gotta love the comments:
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>ChiefBananaNightOctober 11, 2021 - 11:46pm
A place where you can talk freely: hugedildo.com/
>Junior AvenueApril 8, 2021 - 3:01am
This is an amazing story. A well written and an amazing content has gone through my eyes just now. fat sex doll The lesson I got from this story is that we should learn from our mistakes. We should not become arrogant and should accept our mistakes.

I Junior Avenue really has some advice we in the /wg/ should all take to heart.

More seriously, I'm going to try this out. I read some of Palahniuk's stories and disliked most of them for their content and their weird style but his book on writing wasn't too bad. I'll do a before and after and post it here. Wish me luck.

Before the royal road posters it was just nothing but shit posting. Exactly like you're doing.

so nothing has changed?

Since you came here, yes.

Challenge: IF one single person posts a better piece of creative writing than I can find by hitting the random button on Fanfiction.net I'll fuck off forever.

Okay. You start.

why would i grace this dungheap with the first piece of quality writing it's seen since 2020? Dance for me fat boy, if you do a split I may post a snippet.
You misunderstand me retard, I'm not a reformist, this place is a mockery of writing and the literary spirit, it should not exist. This is the final solution for all royal road posters. Get to fuck

kek. I accept your concession.

Regarding the fanfic ban, what do you think is not allowed?
1) talking about the portrayal of a character. example: best personality for daphne greengrass
2) discuss the fanfic itself instead of the original work. example: how methods of rationality likes to see itself as a great piece of work but it's shit
3) anything related to fanfic at all. better not talk about dante's inferno boy
4) something else i didn't describe

>kek. I accept your concession
Heres the truth lad, you wont post a single piece of your writing for the duration of this thread. Because you don't write and if you do you know it's shyt and if I get to seeing it ill fucking shred it down to its bare foundation and you know you're one more blow to your little tranny muppet ego from tossing nylon over a beam and going for a swing.

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Why would anyone try to prove themselves to some random retard? First you have to prove yourself as someone worth proving to. Until then, I accept your concession.

Shut your ratchinned mouth you fucking trick. This place is low quality enough without your tranny slash fiction populating the fuckign server houses If you want to talk fanfiction go to /trash/ or better yet find a dumpster and throw yourself into it.

Write for ten minutes and then post a screenshot of what you have. Start from scratch, and don't edit it. Let's see what people come up with.

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Here's one I've been working on. pastebin.com/eTyJwUxY
Fire away.

I've posted complete stories before as well, but to little response. Guess they fell into that valley of mediocrity that inspires indifference, but I don't know how to get better.

You damn Europeans have to stop putting interesting ideas in the threads while I'm wageslaving.

Writing tip: Start catfishing people and after a couple months, develop a deep dark secret. You now have to write as if you are that person hiding that secret

>Instead, read a fucking book.
My favourite book series?
Is it wrong to try to pick up girls in a dungeon.

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stop with the cutesy writing prompts. read a book and write a normal story, develop some fucking talent you fat prostitute.
Have you read Chess Story? I think this is a bit flat as a short form piece simply because you introduce a few characters without actually characterizing them. I mention Chess Story due to the subject matter of your piece, but also because Zweig was a master at this, when he introduced the Scottish businessman, or the jewish Chess master, or the dumb brickheaded slav, these people had immediately recognizable traits that sang on the page, that immediately fattened your mental picture of them. Compare that to your depiction of the mother, unnamed, which isn't a crime, but besides her neglect I'm not really reading anything off her. Same for Bella, these don't read as characters with characters as opposed to narrative stand ins

I'd disagree with your own assertion that your writing rests in that realm of unnotable mediocrity. It's focused and competent if a little underdeveloped, lacking in the way of flair or flavour, but again, that's not a crime.
Don't care for ping pong dialogue, Im not anti dialogue but every piece should establish or cemend something about a character, the setting, the circumstances etc. Having a character simply respond to a prompt in the most basic fashion doesn't really serve these purposes, I'd say.

After their initial games the piece smacks of obvious unfinishedness, basically becoming a screenplay, which is common for early drafts.

Do you think you're funny you little faggot? Here's a suggestion
You Will Never BE a Jap
You know no Kanji, your countenance is the fat and pasty patchy beardedness of an anglicized mutt. Your friends laugh at you when you leave the room, the echoes of your mispronounced dattebayo still in the air. Your parents are embarrassed by you, they tell their friends that you've died by suicide instead of the truth; that you're an ugly weeb virgin who tells people he's a writer when he's written nothing anyone has ever or will ever read. Kill yourself now.

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Accidentally set my alarm for 10 hours so I went a couple minutes over by the time I noticed.

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I've had some decent feedback on here actually.
Thanks for the help user, appreciate you reading. Trying to make the action scenes interesting by keeping it a little vague but might go a bit overboard.
>shooting a robot until it dies
Kek
I guess I should've probably clarified that he had thrown the gun in front of him earlier too. I am trying to make it exciting but may not be coming through as well. Thanks for reading it either way user.
Thanks for the feedback user. I always have trouble noticing anything that's unclear in my own writing so this is helpful to hear. I actually did say it was a snake at first but thought keeping it a little vague might work better and wrote speckled head instead. From what you and that other user said, though, that might've been a mistake.

>Chess Story
Haven't even heard of this book before. Thanks very much for the rec and the response. I'll take your advice to heart and try to do better. A lot of my work ends up clipped, like screenplays as you said, because I myself don't pay much attention to description when I read and so there's a kind of insecurity when I try to add any description or characterization or flavor beyond what is absolutely necessary to tell the story. I don't really know how to overcome this either, it feels like that faculty has been permanently crippled by reading too many writing books that emphasize the all-importance of structure and plot.

Here's another one that I wrote that I think suffers from the same problems: pastebin.com/ZH52bdnA

>pastebin.com/iUjgj88W
unreal that i had to asterisk out every single instance of cock, foreskin, and penis before p*st*b*n allowed me to post. fuck you, kikes!

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Here's a thought. Write something worth reading. Write something funny. Write something that requires a single modicum of skill. Here's a another thought, kill yourself. Is this a curse cast upon the reader meant to trigger a powerful suicide inducing disillusionment with literature and the human race? IF that's the case it failed because no one would read the entire extent of this waste of data. Whatever hard drive this is forever ethced upon should be thrown into a fucking volcano to make sure this doesn't infect anything else. End your life

that'd probably hurt my feelings if it had any substance to it. that approach works on people less cocksure than me. pun intended.

I'm glad it's helpful!
>From what you and that other user said, though, that might've been a mistake.
It's fine if the reader doesn't understand what's going on, but bad if they don't understand what you're saying. The confusion should be about the scene itself, not about the meaning of your sentences.
Your reader is living in the narrator's head. To keep the reader in the dark you should keep the narrator in the dark. A narrator who only half-knows what's going on might say that something slick and speckled shot out of the case, and only realize later in the paragraph that it's a snake's head.
I usually prefer third person, but writing from a first person perspective might be helpful as a writing exercise, to get used to thinking about the narrator's point of view.

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>i am SO much better than ALL of you haha look at me i'm awesome and you suck
>"ok post your writing"
>haha! there's no point because i am so much better than ALL of you haha look at me i'm awesome and you suck
someone help me out here. is there any possible interpretation EXCEPT insecurity here?

You are shit. Read the objective truth one two three as many times as it takes until it's fucking sediment in that emptyhead gorilla skull of yours. I can be the most knucledragging cro magnon on the planet and it changes fucking NOTHING about the quality of writing here. It's fuckign garbage, none of you have every penned anything that should see the light of day. What's awful is how little shame you have about pumping out dreck. Kill yourself now.

Why are you here?

Because you're here. Because this place used to be good. Because there used to be artists here and now it's just you.

If you post your writing I'll link back to the last time I posted mine and you can tell me exactly how shit it is.

Imagine the pinnacle of your study of human expression culminating in you anonymously telling people on the internet to kill themselves. Might as well be writing on bathroom stalls, you'd probably have more fun.

i have sympathy for you -- i really do. i've spent a lot of time myself trying to raise the standards of this general, back to around the 2020 era you referenced earlier. i'm just on my off days today. don't get me wrong. i care pretty deeply about the quality of my writing, and i actually meant what i said a few posts up. it really might have hurt my feelings if there were anything of substance to it. the objective truth is that my skin is just too thick at this point to take anyone at their word. if you want me to think i'm shit in some specific way, i'm definitely open to it. you just need to give me more, or i'm going to discard your opinion.

There's no direction to bathroom walls. Maybe I'll mortally offend the one person in the world who knows what scabies is or my sloppily drawn backwards swastika gives some fat jew a mid shit heart attack

Here I can look the people ruining the world in their face and tell them to kill themselves. Can't beat that.
You all need to be beaten . You all need to be cowed. Youve been allowed to stomp about like retard kids streaming off the midget bus for too long. Someone needs to let you know you shouldn't be acting the way you are.