I identify as an anarchist but I grew up in a Italian family with heavy Catholic tradition. I still consider myself to be a Catholic even after having read extensively about atheism, freemasonry and works promoting skepticism against the Church.
I know there are many TradCath Larping Zoomers in here so I don't want your input but I want to talk to the few genuine Catholics here if they have read anything from Maurin or Day and what they thought about it.
You can’t be a left wing Catholic. Catholicism is about family values and traditional morality. No homosexuality, no feminism, no abortion, no transgender stuff. A lot of Catholic integralists such as myself are against capitalism, but that’s not the definition of “left wing”.
Christopher Howard
Do you believe in the Church’s teaching on faith and morals?
Chase Davis
You might as well read straight from the catechism. >You can’t be a left wing Catholic Picrel
Funnily enough, I do have a book by Bataille If I remember correctly, it was gifted to me by a friend who was attending the Seminary near our College. I'll check it out later.
How do you recommend I start with him?
Jacob Mitchell
How is Pope Francis left wing? What are you talking about?
Have you studied the French non-conformistes movement? Lots of lefty Catholics there. Some fascist adjacent. I think John Hellman writes on them.
Michael Morgan
Georges Bataille is not a Catholic writer. He briefly converted to Catholicism out of guilt over him and his mother abandoning his sick father when German troops advanced in their city. However, he left the Catholic Church after reading Nietzsche before he even wrote his first work, Story of the Eye. He loathed religion but acknowledged its necessity in enforcing taboos. If there are no taboos, he thought, there can be no transgression and transgression allows us to have mystical (but ultimately atheistic and materialistic) experiences.
Nicholas Jackson
Here I found the book I was thinking of >Emmanuel Mounier and the New Catholic Left: 1930-1950
Ryder Ortiz
I haven't yet but I have heard about it only because a young Francois Mitterrand was influenced by it allegedly.
People who say you cannot be Catholic are just Pr*testants who prefer the greater and mightier aesthetic value of Catholicism.
James Rivera
Make me, heretic
Chase James
Thank you, I'll give it a read.
Benjamin Murphy
>That neck GLARK GLARK GLARK
Hudson Gutierrez
I really liked his book on the Lascaux paintings but it's horribly out of print. His novels are mostly smut in a sense, but his critical works might point in a roundabout way towards a materialist, radical Catholic mysticism.
Matthew Kelly
OP, If you knew anything about how Falangism was originally found, you'd know that they were anti-Church.
Falangists post-Rivera only larped as protectors of our Church because they needed the support of working class Spaniards who were still mostly Catholics back then.
Falangists are not Pro-Church.
Joseph Wilson
He wasn't guilty over leaving his monstrous (blind, syphilitic and perverted father) he was maybe temporarily inspired to have faith due to the horrors he experienced. To me even a brief conversion is instructive.
Benjamin Gray
Simonetta Falasca-Zamponi's book I forget the name is good short
Visions of Excess is a good short intro to Bataille's major early works
>"anarchist" >"TradCath" >"Larping" >"Falangists" Stop being memebrained
Asher Johnson
Not Catholic but a lefty and in the U.S. there's a tradition of that here like Dorothy Day who was radicalized with encounters doing social work among the poor. Also you'll see this with figures today like Oliver Stone, Michael Moore, etc. They're both Catholics and I think that informs their worldview in some way. I think there might be something about the greater concept of sin in Catholicism (and also guilt and wearing a heavy burden on one's shoulders) compared to the self-righteous self-improvement stuff that tends to predominate in American Protestantism. So that Catholic emphasis might take a left-wing form as well as a right-wing form, with the left wearing the sins of wealth, greed and empire. There's also a great deal of value placed on pacifism in this community. Stone is an interesting man:
I dunno what you expect. It's just true. He's a big-time Catholic.
Much different but there's a guy I follow @RedMaistre who's both "red" and Catholic and is always posting obscure texts from authors I've never heard of and I like his t akes. Like I said I'm not Catholic but it's interesting to me in the way the Dune universe is or something like that.
>Someone gave the Pope a socialist gift therefore the Pope is a socialist. And I guess you’re a sock enthusiast becasue that’s what your grandma gave you for Christmas.
Robert Phillips
Catholics can be Libs too lol.
William Sanders
Yeah but this is a thread about left wing Catholics not lib Catholics.
Samuel Cruz
How can a believing catholic vote for a candidate who supports abortion over a candidate who does not? It’s clearly sinful.
Hunter Brown
Would Ezra Pound count ?
Cooper Reyes
This is a bait thread created by a jew but I'll bite anyway >I want to talk to the few genuine Catholics here Genuine Catholics are traditional Catholics that will tell you to shove your globohomo propaganda back to hell where you belong. You CANNOT be left wing/liberal/progressive and also be Catholic they are opposites. This user is correct Jorge Bergoglio aka Pope Francis is an open heretic, you cannot worship pachamama and be Catholic Shoo shoo novus ordo and take your lgbt flag with you They cannot, the traditional Catholic church is the standard of morals. There is no compromise in our stance. >true Catholic True Catholics don't worship pachamama and openly preach heresy The Catholic church is staunchly anti communist, we follow distributism.
David Mitchell
He's not a communist. That's not the point here. These lefty progressive Catholics (or whatever you want to call them, liberal, etc.) are driven by certain values. A right-living society, justice, education, ending child labor (back in the day), anti-militarism, etc.
>The Catholic church is staunchly anti communist, we follow distributism. picrel here says distributism = muh proletariat owning the means of production. That's Communism.
Bentley Sanders
>namely a left-wing spic >ignore every single link in my comment Amazing
Aiden Jones
>muh proletariat owning the means of production It's just a meme. Distributism wants property to be owned as widely as possible while commies want to abolish all property ownership.
Connor Walker
Catholicism condemn liberalism and democracy.
Henry Hill
>Jorge Bergoglio aka Pope Francis is an open heretic, you cannot worship pachamama and be Catholic Catholicism has elements of Pagan religions and Roman political procedures. Also I'm not religious so I don't care.
>Distributism wants property to be owned as widely as possible why shouldn't the church own everything?
Benjamin Robinson
>we follow distributism More like you have autism
Ayden Perez
Distributism is the opposite of communism. Distributism gives all the power to the people through private land ownership while communism gives all the power to the government through government controlled everything including land, resources and employment You cannot be a liberal and be Catholic, liberalism, which was started by the Freemasons, is the antithesis of Catholicism Correct we are traditionalists and monarchists Because then the Church would have too much power and we understand our limits as man and man can be corrupted. Not to mention that if the Church owned everything then it would be no different to communism which we are the opposite of In the name of Jesus Christ during this Holy Week, begone jew.
Jordan Martinez
Ellul
Andrew Ramirez
Are you the opposite to communism or are you opposite to liberalism
Hunter Sanchez
>Distributism gives all the power to the people >Because then the Church would have too much power If you are capable of giving "all the power" you have all the power... which you'd call too much power. Same commie conumdrum all over again.
Nathaniel James
ellul and dorothy day are great (day was a wobbly who converted to catholicism because she wanted to baptize her daughter into the "church of the poor" and literally refused to pay taxes to pay for US wars)
there's a textbook I recently read: Christian Peace and Nonviolence: A Documentary History
that was filled with great essays over time (it covers from biblical writings onwards so there are multiple "lefty" takes from like 400 AD and stuff)
Angel Reyes
>You cannot be a liberal and be Catholic, liberalism, which was started by the Freemasons, is the antithesis of Catholicism I'm not Catholic, dipshit. I don't care if you think some other Catholic guy isn't really Catholic. Go tell that to Oliver Stone.
Brody Lee
Liberation theology is your go to, you stupid nigger. Go and read.
Easton Lewis
Ellul wasn't left wing. Anarchism =/ left wing, especially his form of anarchism.
Luke Campbell
The Traditional Catholic church is the opposite of both liberalism and communism. You mistake liberalism and communism as being so different when they are working towards the same goal, your death or enslavement and the condemnation of your soul to hell. Communism is a jewish created economic model of government control over the means of production which involves genocide of their own people, ask the Russians and Chinese. Liberalism is a deceitful and treacherous political philosophy created by the freemasons (who were created by jews) as a direct attack on the Catholic church, they saught to remove Christ from all aspects of life, private life, school, cultural, government, economic etc. as a way to remove the populace from the righteous moral structure God has given us for the express purpose of of replacing that moral structure with their own. Look around at society, they have done it, people take to the streets to champion the murder of the unborn, the mutilation of children to "change" sex, tolerance of false religions, they take vice as virtue and tsle virtue as vice. I don't know how you think we are not the opposite of that. youtu.be/425-VC6BJ2w We are bound by God, not materialism >Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 7:21 To be Catholic it is not simply enough to call yourself one, or simply go through the rites, you must do the works every single day and live your life accordingly. Go to confession and live piously, unwavering in the face of the heresy of modernism.
Evan Barnes
What a stupid faggy interpretation
Joshua Rodriguez
Mysticism certainly, but I think it'd be disingenuous to call anything Bataille was doing remotely theistic
Thomas Kelly
>Pope Francis is an open heretic Look at this larper trying to be more Catholic then the fucking pope while fapping to anime on a Tyrolese goose-stuffing website.
