Rinfaces > Sakurafaces

She barely looks like Rin.

Hey buddy fuck you.
I like her even if she is little overwanked but same shit for goes for Kama.

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Rinfaces make Rin look bad though
>One literally reinforces the most annoying meme surrounding Rin
>One is death and nobody like death
>One is a child? Weird psycho alien?
Like much as I like Rin over Sakura it seems like Nasu is hell bent on making people hate her

> it seems like Nasu is hell bent on making people hate her
nu-fate's garbage fanbase eats this shit up though

I want Ishtar to chain me up on a bed and use me as a toy!

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It's amazing that this argument even exists. People came to accept that the same girl will be sold to them again and again. The fact they even argue about these templates means the fans are completely complacent and ok with this.

It's amazing from a business standpoint. I don't understand how Fate managed to ensnare its fans into this, but now people are spending millions on buying the same thing again and again. This is now perpetual. It's sad and amazing at the same time.

And the most heterosexual.

No, the Rin pseudos are definitely Nasu trying his very hardest to shill her.

>yeah uh ishtar may be a bitch and the goddess of prostitutes BUT RIN IS SO PURE AND GOOD AND PERFECT SHE CANCELS IT OUT PLEASE IGNORE THE OBVIOUS IMPLICATIONS OF THEIR COMPATIBILITY
>AND HERE'S AN EVEN KINDER RIN CALLED ERESH. TOTALLY NOT SAKURA'S PERSONALITY, NO. ALSO, HAVE HER BE A *5 LANCER RELEASED SHORTLY AFTER A *4 LANCER SAKURA
>NO, TAKEUCHI, FOR ONCE, I WON'T LET YOU DRAW HER. CALL MORII, ONE OF THE BEST ARTISTS WE HAVE
>SAKURA? LUVIA? TRACE THAT BOUDICA AND DRAW A MAN WITH A BLONDE WIG
>NOOOOO WHY IS KAMA POPULAR?! I EVEN MADE SURE TO MAKE HER A BEAST GETTING BEATEN UP BY EVERYONE! I KNEW I SHOULDN'T HAVE LET REDROP TAKE OVER AFTER TAKAO AND PUT EFFORT INTO DRAWING KAMA! FINE, I'LL MAKE AN ISHTAR... IN SPACE! ALL OF HER LORE WILL BE LIKE KAMA EXCEPT SHE'S ALWAYS GOOD AND PERFECT, WITH EVEN MORE LINES AND ASCENSION VARIANTS THAN KAMA! AND I'LL SKIP HALLOWEEN AND MAKE IT ALL ABOUT HER!

He's extremely mad that people are getting tired of Rin and appreciate Sakura nowadays, since it forces him to face the fact that pandering to Sakura haters for years was a retarded mistake.

Tryhard. It's like you actually enjoy being shitposted.

I fucking love Mashu

But she's the absolute worst

Awful taste

people like her because she's for (you)

>people like her because she's for (you)
I know and it's pathetic

Astarte>all

I think that list automatically invalidates itself by being plagued with FGO

>1. No-personality, ruins every scene she's in Mash

The only eternal reminder is that whoever did that list and abides by that list has a shit taste.

All faces are fucking shit. Imagine being so lazy that you just draw the same bitch in a different outfit and claim it's a new historical figure.

What about making this list without the FGO garbage

For Sakura and Rin it was just a way to sate their rabid fanboys. For Saber it was to literally print money.

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I wholeheartedly disagree.

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Illyafaces>everyone else

1. Saber
2. Sakura
3. Ilya
4. Rin

Rie is also very cute.

>Rie is also very cute
but mash isn't
seriously what a stupid reason to like a character who cares what their seiyuu looks like it has nothing to do with the actual character

Why would I want to refute this?

My Rinwife!

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She's boring as fuck and ruin the fun in most scenes she is in. F/GO has tons of girls that are for (You), why would anyone waste his time with trashu is above me.

Not (Me)

>Will never have her respond to your prayers with furious sex.
Why wasn't I born in the age of the gods?

And? It's nice to have a love interest rather than the usual servant whose crushes are relegated only to lines and maybe one interlude.

You're not alone bro, she's fucking perfect regardless of how stiff she can be.

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As someone who has obtained most of their knowledge of F/GO from random doujinshi, and the rest of it from Yea Forums, I would assume it's because she's cute. I know basically nothing about her personality, but I like her character design.

MASHUCHADS JUST CAN'T STOP WINNING

>I know basically nothing about her personality
she has none
>like her character design
personally her face always bothers me it feels souless/uncanny to me I think it's trying to hard to be moe but it just ends up feeling off to me

Well, I have to say that I've never noticed anything souless/uncanny about her before. So I looked up some images of her, and found that to be a bit of a thing with the official art, but not as much in the fan art. So I get what you mean, but it's never been an issue for me, because the vast majority of art I have seen of her is fan art.

Mashu is adorable. It's only a problem if you're self-inserting and getting mad that she cockblocks (You). Rie's voice is cute, but she herself is also cute.

You actually see more character from her in doujins that you see in the game or the anime.

>In the game.
What? She's easily the most well developed character in the entire game.

She's more or less a test tube baby that wasn't supposed to live very long. They're using her until she dies and everyone kind of ignored her as a person (except Romani) until you arrived.

She's kind of inoffensive, which some people find boring.

Many Rin/Sakura/Medusa and Illya threads lately, but I haven't seen a Saber thread in ages, did Saberfags suddenly dissapear here or am I just coincidentally missing them? I even saw Illya threads. and no I am not counting the subhuman gook threads where he says how "handsome" Saber" is

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Forgot "I have seen" at the beginning of the post

Completely refuted by the existence of Melt and Lip.

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>She's kind of inoffensive, which some people find boring.
Yes. Which is weird to me, since most popular servants that are not Jeanne Alter are pretty inoffensive.

No BB is a thing and she's better than all of them.

Ishtar/eresh>Rin and Sakura

>She's kind of inoffensive, which some people find boring
she's not merely inoffensive she has no personality other than cockblocking replace her with a lifeless sex doll and they would be no difference other than the sex doll wouldn't cockblock you

Rin and Sakura>Useless godess.
In fact Shinji is above Ishtar though he is above everyone so that is not saying much

>She's easily the most well developed character in the entire game
First off that's an incredibly low low bar second of all bullshit mash has no real development

>She's easily the most well developed character in the entire game.
Fucking Shuten got more developpement in a single event than Mashu in 3 whole years despite being hamfisted in almost every scene. And Jeanne Alter is a far, far better exemple of a developed character in the game.

>No real development.
What is literally the entire plot of FGO?

>She's kind of inoffensive, which some people find boring.
She actively stops the MC to have any kind of meaningful relation with any other Servant and acts like a killjoy. I wouldn't mind her if she was just boring.

More like one year. I agree that she didn't get a whole lot to do during the Epics of Remnant arcs.

>What is literally the entire plot of FGO
most defiantly not anything where mash actually develops

Only the first part, her charcter arc stopped after the Solomon fight and she has no role during EoR or the Lost Belts. Jeanne Alter had amusingly the best reaction to her bullshit in Shijiku by cutting her communication off at the end of the chapter to enjoy a moment of peace with her Master.

>I agree that she didn't get a whole lot to do during the Epics of Remnant arcs.
Don't worry bro, she won't have any during the Lost Belts too. LB5 so far after 2 years and you could cut off every scene with her and nothing would change.

Can't judge the Lostbelts yet. But I do agree that she didn't get a whole lot to do during the EoR arc.

That sounds rather unfortunate. I did really like her character arc throughout the first story arc, and I was hoping she would get something similar for the second major one.

Which Rin has the biggest tits?

Space Ishtar.

I love how gachamonkeys think their opinions suddently matter just because they got a lazily whipped up gacha anime that's not even aimed toward the general anime audiences.

Truth is literally everyone outside of their echo chamber of EOP facebook memes and reddit can see what their "game" actually is, a collection of EOP facebook memes and reddit.

there are more Sakurafaces than Rinfaces though so Sakuraface has more demand

They share the same body. 3 Goddesses all up Rin's defensless anus.

Damn, the frustration behind this post

cope

seethe

cope poorfag

That’s basically what I just said to you, yes

Then he did a fucking awful job
Why pick the LITERAL whore of Babylon who tried killing the world because Gil didn't want her puss?
Why did he pick a Death deity when everyone knows people die when they are killed, and nobody likes being killed
And I don't even know what he was thinking with Space Ishtar.

That's not how it works at all.

I want to cum inside Kiara.

There was literally one two days ago.

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go ahead, show me all the fatefags who actually think FGO and its gacha-oriented writing is comparable to the VN

and no, animeonly redditors who watched UBW and HF don't count as fatefags, nor do gachamonkeys who parrot their favorite ecelebs

That's how it works. Admit it Sakura is more desirable than Rin.

...

Requiescat in pace.

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I love Hassan hates Kiara memes.

>tertiary thinks he his opinion matters
Know your place.

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go back

And yet people still love her. The absolute state of wormfags.

I love thots.

>the owner of the IP admitting their own work is not canon
You're absolutely retarded if you're using that image as a serious response. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just being candid.

Original > Imitation

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Watching gachamonkeys in their natural environment. Facebook memes and EOP humor. Like a clockwork.

bros

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I'm glad Ishtar became a feet Queen

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Are you saying that anime doesn't belong on Yea Forums? Or that fate doesn't belong in fate threads?

Do you know what you're talking about at all user? What are you talking about truth for when you know that's not the truth? You also can't use literally like that. Do you know how silly that makes you sound? Do you know what people think when they read posts like yours?

Try harder next time user. Or think before you make statements that aren't true. Ganbarre!

What a hollow post.

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You can't point fingers when you posted seethe.

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Pretty sure Space Ishtar failed pretty hard compared to Kama despite being a blatant attempt at aping what made her popular.

Are we gonna get another Rin clone?
Sakura has like 7/8 Artoria has 11 while she has only four but unlike the previous two I like everyone of them or atleast don't hate them.

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You are literally arguing that games like Fallout 76 are primary canon, over Fallout 1 and 2, just because the IP holder is claiming it is. Do you not see anything wrong with this line of thought?

Gachamonkeys have said it themselves many times. "The anime is made for people who play the game, it was polled with an in-game poll, the anime can fail completely and it doesn't matter because of how much money the game makes". I'm literally paraphrasing what anons have said prior.

That wasn't me lol, I'll grant it to you, at this point you're free to call photoshop or edit or 4chanX, I guess.

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Mashu is Sakura with all of the negative traits (and interesting bits) removed, so it checks out.

I don't get the love for JAlter though; is it because she's got "loses to dick" written all over her face?

We've already achieved perfection. Anything else would dilute that.

If Chris Avellone and Black Isle Studios made Fallout 76, you bet your ass it'd be canon.
Nasu is the scenario director of F/GO. Deal with it.

I think you are confusing being shoved in every scene with being developed. Nearly any character in each campaign is better than Mash, their worst parts are when Mash is alone with those same characters that also match with the worst parts of the game being when you are alone with Mash at the start of campaigns. You can make fucking Guda more interesting than Mash and you only have 2 lines to choose at very limited occasions comparing it to Mash is is like the protagonist of the story and has more dialogue than everyone else.

Due to how boring and how annoying she is in the campaign I shoved her aside and only recently did I picked her back up and realized that her kit along with with her class attributes she is a pretty good unit, that's how shit her character is that made me ignore her unit.

What if I told you Tim Cain directed The Outer Worlds, aka. the laughing stock of the last year releases.

What if I told you that FGO was only co-written by Nasu.

Also I know you're trying to play this "it's written by nasu bla bla it's canon because the bosses say so", but I can also tell you you've never played FSN, you've just stuck defending your investment of time and/or money in the gacha game. Maybe you never cared about fate in the first place, but you're the reason we're never getting another typemoon VN.

At least cast off the pretense that FGO is somehow an equivalent to a full fledged VN story, when in reality it's a gacha-oriented mobile game made with gacha gambling addiction as a primary focus and the story/whatever narrative they're trying to sell is always a compromise.

>What if I told you Tim Cain directed The Outer Worlds, aka. the laughing stock of the last year releases.
That would tell me absolutely nothing.
>What if I told you that FGO was only co-written by Nasu.
It's well known that he actually writes a minority of the scenarios. It's still directed by him, and the parts that everyone praises are the ones he wrote personally.

>but you're the reason we're never getting another typemoon VN.
Why do you say that?

>SAKURA? LUVIA? TRACE THAT BOUDICA AND DRAW A MAN WITH A BLONDE WIG
is Kuku a Luviaface?

>writes a minority of the scenarios
key word minority and even those he doesn't put much effort in
>parts that everyone praises
no not everyone just dumbass gachatards

Tim Cain = creator of FO1, also, a has-been hack that writes SJW normalfag bland shit and tries to sell it as RPG.

There's 0 reason for him to make something he actively seems to hate these days, aka. writing for living. All he has to do is sit on his ass and collect royalties. He also seems to just hate his old self and has a negative relationship towards FSN and FHA.

What if I told you it was a fictional story that has no real continuity other than what the reader and content creators decide?

It's not real. If you think Shirou is a magic unicorn, you're free to do so. Just don't get upset that future stories don't agree with you.

The entire point of the first storyline is her growing from a emotionless test tube baby into a actual fully realized human being. Like, you don´t have to like her character or her development. But if you seriously want to argue she gets none, I find it hard to take your opinion seriously.

It's pretty evident that Nasu put a lot of effort into Babylonia and Solomon. And the SE.RA.PH event.
But by all means proceed with your whining.

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I can't even begin to understand what you were thinking while writing this nonsense. Keep doing you.

>It's pretty evident that Nasu put a lot of effort into Babylonia and Solomon. And the SE.RA.PH event.
it's pretty evident that he didn't though that's why they suck so much

Cool story bro.

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Here comes the usual "it's not actually shit I swear".

Forced monster interactions to include the "gameplay", complete lack of flair because length has to be compact, isolated story that is split into piece-meal so that the average player doesn't fall asleep which ruins the pacing, side characters that are fucking pointless because they're gone in the next isolated story, etc, etc

Truly a next-gen VN "experience".

back to /tmg/

Not a one of those applies to Solomon or the SE.RA.PH event.

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>back to /tmg
Rent free

all of it applies to Solomon and the SE.RA.PH event.

What's the longest time a single scene goes on for? What themes does the scene explore? Can you compare it to something in FSN? I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong.

Let's see.
>Forced monster interactions
Monsters are not part of Solomon or SE.RA.PH. The demon god pillars are meaningful bosses and the random enemies of the Seraphix are completely ignored by the plot and characters.
>complete lack of flair because length has to be compact
Total flair overdose in Solomon and SE.RA.PH
>isolated story that is split into piece-meal
Does not apply at all to Solomon. Maybe applies a little bit to SE.RA.PH because it starts a little slow to reintroduce Melt.
>side characters
It's a cameo in Solomon, but everyone in SE.RA.PH has a moment of importance.

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>What's the longest time a single scene goes on for?
About a couple hours for the whole climax of Solomon?
>What themes does the scene explore?
Perseverance in the face of death, mostly. A bit of the morality of unwanted gifts, too.
>Can you compare it to something in FSN?
I guess it's closest to Shirou rejecting the grail in the basement in the Fate route? Though the scene of dealing with Beast IV is closer to Illyasviel at the finale of Heavens Feel.

That's a pretty uninteresting theme for something that's supposed to be the best the game has to offer.

I should've said overall theme but I guess you went with that, like with FSN I'd say the overall theme is "sacrifice". Shirou doesn't give a fuck about his own life and will just throw it away if needed just to save 1 life, and his antitheses will prove him wrong and his metamorphosis into Archer proves him wrong by making his own life more important than that of the others since he can save more if he is alive.

>The demon god pillars are meaningful bosses
no not really especially since you already beat them before
> the random enemies of the Seraphix are completely ignored by the plot and characters
I am 80% sure that's not true
>Does not apply at all to Solomon
have to go through a bunch of dumb raid bosses to reach the actually stories didn't it take like a week to reach Goeita
> but everyone in SE.RA.PH has a moment of importance.
you missed the point > because they're gone in the next isolated story, etc, etc
was the point

>Perseverance in the face of death,
If only it was just that but it goes full retard and says eternal life bad worse it has people like King fucking Solomon saying that

>About a couple hours for the whole climax of Solomon
hell no it is not that long are you counting gameplay or something

The overall theme of F/SN is heroism. The entire story is about what a hero is to various cultures and individuals, whether "eiyuu" or "seigi no mikata". Sacrifice is never an important element, sacrifice is something to avoid. Shirou would sacrifice himself, but only because of his crippling lack of self worth; the entire point of the divide between Shirou and Archer/Kiritsugu is that Shirou will NOT sacrifice the 100 to save the 1000 and such a compromise breaks him in two.
F/GO is about humanity's current place and its tenuous future, about taking things too far and paying prices for other people. In a way sacrifice is more appropriate for F/GO, because that's paying a price with your life, which Mashu does in the very climax, but that's just one expression. It's more about prices in abstract, about footing a bill in blood or value. Goetia is evil because he is essentially paying with everyone else as his currency, whatever he buys is fundamentally wrong because he has no right to make that decision for the entire human race.

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>no not really especially since you already beat them before
They still have new things to say and feature into the final sequence when their cohesion is disrupted by Ars Nova and they start disagreeing.
>I am 80% sure that's not true
You'd be wrong. The servants matter in SE.RA.PH, the random viruses don't even get a mention.
>have to go through a bunch of dumb raid bosses to reach the actually stories didn't it take like a week to reach Goeita
The raid is years over, friend.
>you missed the point > because they're gone in the next isolated story, etc, etc
The consequences of the Beasts echoes throughout the story. Goetia's landfall is literally the whole reason for the entire story.
Nasu's weird like that, but yeah, the angle they go with is that life finds meaning in death, and eternal life therefore has no meaning. You can think that's dumb, but shikata ga nai.
I was counting the Goetia boss battles yes.

Just wanted to swing by and say how much I LOVE MY WIFE TAMAMO

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Your wife is neutral evil, user.

ok

>is that life finds meaning in death, and eternal life therefore has no meaning
which the dumbest pretentious nonsense I have ever heard

Consider that this is a series about famous ghosts.
Nasu just doesn't like fear of death.

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>BBface
I want her to do so many things to me.

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>Nasu just doesn't like fear of death.
there's a difference between not fearing death and saying death gives life meaning or that eternal life is meaningless
>Consider that this is a series about famous ghosts.
aren't they just copies/records of those people made by Alaya rather than actual ghost

It's been 8+ years since I played FSN, but I'd still argue sacrifice is a stronger theme. HGW is essentially a front for a summoning ritual, sacrificing the servants and potentially masters to achieve ends, sacrificing lives is a constant means to an end for the grail monster and say, caster, so it's an occurring theme. And in the end Shirou makes the ultimate sacrifice of becoming a heroic spirit, in a twisted way, his "ideal" curses him into a perpetual loop of having to be called upon to take weight of lives and save those who he can, and cast off those who he can't, as he can't die, he can't sac. himself.

I played FGO when it came out in JP up until... London? Granted my JP was worse then but jesus shit I can only remember the insane tedium of having to talk to Mozart, and the weird lesbian innuendo jokes with Jeanne Alter in some halloween event, and every chapter has the mandatory monster interruption in a random place somewhere. I know the writing supposedly gets better later but I don't have motivation to find out.I'll play FGO once nasu puts it into an actual VN that he writes himself altogether, which is never happening btw.

> HGW is essentially a front for a summoning ritual, sacrificing the servants and potentially masters to achieve ends, sacrificing lives is a constant means to an end for the grail monster and say, caster, so it's an occurring theme.
It's a recurring theme as something hateful and despairing.
>And in the end Shirou makes the ultimate sacrifice of becoming a heroic spirit, in a twisted way, his "ideal" curses him into a perpetual loop of having to be called upon to take weight of lives and save those who he can, and cast off those who he can't, as he can't die, he can't sac. himself.
And that's SAD. You're not supposed to respect that result, it's supposed to be frustrating. It certainly frustrates Rin.
>played FGO when it came out in JP up until... London?
Widely regarded as the worst period of the game's existence. That was the stuff that was written before release, before Nasu even expected F/GO to survive. He thought it was going to be a flash in the pan that vanishes with a whimper and was giving no real effort or oversight, until the very last chapter of London, which is where the quality took a turnaround.
I still remember the day that London's last scene got spread around and the shockwaves throughout the fanbase. That was a fun, fun week.
>I'll play FGO once nasu puts it into an actual VN that he writes himself altogether, which is never happening btw.
By all means disregard it, I have little fondness for F/GO as a game and don't really think it's worth playing on the whole (there's a lot more bad than good), I just thoroughly enjoyed the chapters that were actually written by Nasu (which currently in english amounts to Camelot, Babylonia, Solomon, and the F/GO2 Prologue, and an assortment of events such as SE.RA.PH). And the SE.RA.PH event was really, really fun, easily the most fun I've ever had with it.

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I admit I was curious about FGO when the anime started, watched a few eps of it. I just don't like the way the show treats its characters, normally I don't care about fanservice but it matters when it cheapens the characters. Same goes toward mashu+gudao interactions. Typical anime male protagonist+love interest interaction bullshit that doesn't fit in the bleak world of typical nasu edge. I admit I enjoyed it for 1-2 eps but then it just goes on and I dropped it somewhere between ep5-10, that's not the only thing obviously. Almost all of the characters I saw, Jaguar man, Gil's robe wearing boyfriend, tiamat, Nobu (?), felt like mush of typical anime stereotypes and not Fate characters. Admittably there's always gonna be some confirmation bias but why is it hard to come up with characters like Gil and Saber in FSN, who support each other with their dynamics? It just felt meh, plus the audio in the battle scenes was pissing me off, what's up with that crazy loud shit.

You didn't like Leonidas or Ushiwakamaru? I will say that Babylonia is a story that takes awhile to get moving, but if it's not your taste then it can't be helped. It's reaching the climax now though.

>to Camelot, Babylonia, Solomon, and the F/GO2 Prologue
These only look good in comparison the shit that came before well except the prologue for part 2 it's not really any better than what came before anyway they still suck it's just how bad the pervious singularities were make them look good

Meh

>The entire point of the first storyline is her growing from a emotionless test tube baby into a actual fully realized human being.
Amazing how despite having years to grow before
the story even frickin started she didn't apparently she can't do that without gudoa's dick besides she hasn't really changed at all since the story started

>inhuman automaton does not spontaneously become human, requires human model to spur development
wow

Ereshkigal isn't Sakura's personality though. I agree that Nasu goes out of his way to shill Rin and doesn't give a shit about Sakura by comparison (the Rin shilling is only beaten by Takeuchi and Saberwank), but that particular element is wrong. Ereshkigal is Rin's dutiful, hardworking side, the one who tries her best to do a shit job even though she hates it, mixed with the feelings that Rin normally keeps hidden, or tries to.

How well this comes across may vary depending on opinion, as Ereshkigal is considered a moeblob by many. Probably at least more character than Mash though.

Yeah cause Gudao was the first human she ever interacted with you god how can one be as stupid as you just how

Ishtar is the tsun, Ereshkigal is the dere.

It really depends on the thot. Some are great though, I agree.

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Ishtar, I mean look at her face. That's full blown confidence there.

For some reason, Nasu avoids making many Rin clones, but instead pours a ridiculous amount of effort into the ones he does make.

Meltlililth is sex incarnate, glad that Hayamin is voicing her.

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What is even the point of Sakura. She only exists to suffer.

Sakurafaces are stronger though

She interacts with magi.
How long is it going to take for you to realize that magi aren't human?

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Tsundere. Also she actually does have a solid, progressing character arc, starting in Orleans, through Da Vinci (her insecurities about being merely a copy, and a fake, and trying to overcome them) and then Summer where she actually ditches her Avenger hatred for Mad Enhancement EX (which actually makes her a much better person in terms of continuing her progression), personality and likes (she likes drawing and writing, be it art or doujins or fanfic), interactions (such as with Saber Alter), and presence in events and arcs (Jeanne Alter Santa Lily, Shinjuku, etc.).

Okay so each Grand is supposed "assigned" to a Beast right?
Gramps beast was Tiamat?
Solomon Beast was Goetia?
Who is Orion's Beast?

Sometimes too much. She literally starts blushing and freaking out when she's first summoned.

The grands are meant to gang up on a beast together.

Oh yes cause every mage is Shinji besides is still interaction retard how the fuck do you think humans work also she had Romani

No, not at all. It takes all 7 Grands to hold back Primate Murder when it goes into KILL ALL HUMANS mode. And no Grands were necessary for III at all.
Grands just have a Beast to deal with when they get summoned and they lose their rank if they do anything other than putting all their efforts into killing the Beast. The World does not tolerate slackers.

Not necessarily. Just that a Grand will be summoned if they are needed to fight a Beast.

You think Solomon, King of Magecraft, is a good example of a human? Dude's barely started being human at all, he's learning just like she is.
In contrast, Guda is an exceptionally human-like human.

They can do a little bit of things around dealing with the Beast, but there's a line they can't cross, as Orion showed.

>he's learning
What a load of shit he's been romani for what 10 years beside even the whole fake personality nonsense doesn't really change mash having human interactions with him
>Gudao is an exceptionally human-like human
Stop mindless guzzling whatever retarded narrative Nasu spews and turn on your brain if you have one Guda is least human like human he's basically a camera with legs

>What a load of shit he's been romani for what 10 years beside even the whole fake personality nonsense doesn't really change mash having human interactions with him
Romani at his best is autistic as hell and at his worst he's basically a robot.
He's still trying at the human thing. He may have been in the present for 10 years but he's been madly trying to prevent the burning of the world that he foresaw so he hasn't spent a lot of it enjoying his humanity.
>Stop mindless guzzling whatever retarded narrative Nasu spews and turn on your brain if you have one Guda is least human like human he's basically a camera with legs
They eats when they're hungry, sleep when they're tired, and fight when they're threatened. Basic as shit but that's how humans do.

> so he hasn't spent a lot of it enjoying his humanity
Enjoying your life or not has nothing to do with being human you goddamn sperg
>Romani at his best is autistic
Still rather human and he had plenty of human interaction with mash
>and at his worst he's basically a robot
That fits Gudao a lot better than Romani
>They eats when they're hungry, sleep when they're tired, and fight when they're threatened Basic as shit but that's how humans do
Yeah cause magus and Romani totally don't do those things seriously the sheer hypocrisy are you even capable of questioning the story you're making me believe in the npc thing

>Enjoying your life or not has nothing to do with being human you goddamn sperg
Yes it does you goddamn wageslave
>Still rather human
Not really. Dude's a collection of guesswork, grasping at straws and generating hypotheses on how people work without fully understanding them.
>Yeah cause magus and Romani totally don't do those things
They fucking don't. Magi live on ritual and sacrifice. The magic crest commands them. They are invariably mechanical and depraved, with scarred souls. The best of them can be like Rin, and even she bears terrible trauma.

>Not really. Dude's a collection of guesswork, grasping at straws and generating hypotheses on how people work without fully understanding them.
Seriously what exactly do you think a human is
>Yes it does you goddamn wageslave
Holy shit are you seriously saying if you're not happy you're not human what the fuck is wrong with you
>They fucking don't
Yes they fucking do eat, sleep and fight you moron
>Magi live on ritual and sacrifice
Not literally and they are all kinds of magus
>The magic crest commands them
No it doesn't
>They are invariably mechanical and depraved
Depraved many are yes mechanical hell no
>with scarred souls
Sounds pretty human to me
> and even she bears terrible trauma
Again none of this makes you not human

>Seriously what exactly do you think a human is
People who don't lack empathy?
>Holy shit are you seriously saying if you're not happy you're not human what the fuck is wrong with you
If you're not happy, ever, then you've got clinical depression and you should try and fix that, not continue persisting in a mechanical world.
>Yes they fucking do eat, sleep and fight you moron
They eat when it's time to shovel energy into their mouths and they sleep when the body ceases functioning. Kiritsugu literally puts himself to sleep with a hypnosis spell for efficacy's sake.
>Not literally and they are all kinds of magus
Not literally but unquestionably metaphorically.
Exceptions like Flat are rare and miraculous.
>No it doesn't
It literally contains impulses embedded into it that prevent suicide and make sure they don't abandon their goal.
>Again none of this makes you not human
Damaged people are damaged all the same. True magi embrace the damage and seek to scar themselves yet further.

Rin and Sakura would making their faces beautiful. They were both having "arrested development".

I'm sorry, what? You mean that fucking show at the latter? Damn.

>People who don't lack empathy?
are you seriously say romani is incapable of empathy
>If you're not happy, ever, then you've got clinical depression
Sounds pretty human to me
>They eat when it's time to shovel energy into their mouths
like every other human
>Kiritsugu literally puts himself to sleep with a hypnosis spell for efficacy's sake.
Kiritsugu is not standard anything
>Exceptions like Flat are rare
if your criteria is capable of empathy their rare but not so much among the ones we get to see
>It literally contains impulses embedded into it that prevent suicide and make sure they don't abandon their goal
where the hell are you getting this bullshit
>Damaged people are damaged all the same
everyone has some damage that's a very human thing
>True magi embrace the damage and seek to scar themselves yet further
No they seek the root none of them seek to scar themselves

>"arrested development" - an abnormal state in which development has stopped prematurely. fixation, infantile fixation, regression. abnormalcy, abnormality - an abnormal physical condition resulting from defective genes or developmental deficiencies.
What

Of course they were beautiful, not pitiful.

>are you seriously say romani is incapable of empathy
Not incapable, but he's working blind.
>Sounds pretty human to me
Get a therapist.
>like every other human
Seriously, get a therapist, that behavior is not healthy or natural.
>Kiritsugu is not standard anything
He's got a magus mindset. He sets it to non-magus-like ends, but he has the mindset.
>if your criteria is capable of empathy their rare but not so much among the ones we get to see
Fate focuses on the exceptional in every goddamn regard. We rarely deal in the nominal. A normal grail war, a bunch of normal magi, a normal vampire, none of these things are worthy of the spotlight.
>where the hell are you getting this bullshit
Read the VN and play the fucking game. Magic crests literally forbid suicide among numerous other minor mental effects. They also feel painfully unnatural and the magi usually wants to rip it off, but cannot.
>everyone has some damage that's a very human thing
Few seek to accumulate more.
>No they seek the root none of them seek to scar themselves
They willfully cast off more and more of themselves to seek the root. They view themselves, and everything around themselves, as disposable.

>but he's working blind.
Just how exactly do you think emotions work
>Seriously, get a therapist, that behavior is not healthy or natural
First off I never said I was depressed though this conversation is depressing me what little faith in humanity I had is quickly leaving. Second of all while maybe not healthy getting depressed is a very natural thing. Third if you seriously don't think depressed people are human maybe you should see a therapist
> He's got a magus mindset.
No he doesn't that's why he was so good at killing them you dumb dumb fuck
>Fate focuses on the exceptional in every goddamn regard
I never said otherwise what's your point
>Read the VN and play the fucking game.
I did many years ago but more importantly the whole stops them from abandoning their goal seems pretty contradicted by fiore quitting being a magus in the case files timeline
>Magic crests literally forbid suicide
Shirou's pretty suicidal well not literally but still
>Few seek to accumulate more.
some do and its still a very human thing
> They view themselves, and everything around themselves, as disposable.
not at all the same as actively seeking to scar themselves

which one's the alien?!

what the fuck

>Just how exactly do you think emotions work
They work by experiencing them, mate. Well functioning people have internal worlds.
>getting depressed is a very natural thing. Third if you seriously don't think depressed people are human maybe you should see a therapist
Depressed people are human, but they are in a very unhealthy state. It's not something that should be persisted in.
>No he doesn't that's why he was so good at killing them you dumb dumb fuck
No, faggot. He was good at killing them because he understood them completely and then turned his abilities to killing them. The predator who knows his prey is most successful.
>I never said otherwise what's your point
The point is that yes, a lot of the "rare" individuals are who we see on screen like Waver, Rin, and Flat.
>I did many years ago but more importantly the whole stops them from abandoning their goal seems pretty contradicted by fiore quitting being a magus in the case files timeline
Her brother Caules is the inheritor in Case Files. The magic crest is transferable within the bloodline.
>Shirou's pretty suicidal well not literally but still
Shirou has no magic crest. Dude's an orphan.
>some do and its still a very human thing
Fuck's sake, that is literally being mentally ill and it is not human in the least. The more it accumulates the less human you are. That is what therapy is for.
>not at all the same as actively seeking to scar themselves
It's basically the same. You're not supposed to have a distant and unknown goal that you'd literally sacrifice others on an altar for. That is monstrous, and that is magecraft.

>They work by experiencing them,
Yes experience them by feeling them you don't fucking learn how to feel emotions you retard
>but they are in a very unhealthy state
which has nothing to do with what were talking about. The point is they're quite human
>No, faggot. He was good at killing them because he understood them completely
He knew how how they worked yes not understood them he was good at killing them cause he was a lot more practical than them
>The point is that yes, a lot of the "rare" individuals are who we see on screen like Waver, Rin, and Flat
and Mash has interacted with on screen people
>Her brother Caules is the inheritor in Case Files
cause she gave it up
> The magic crest is transferable
and if you did what you said it stop her from transferring them
>Fuck's sake, that is literally being mentally ill
damaged yes mentally ill sometimes but not always
>. The more it accumulates the less human you are
eh depends on the mental illness
>It's basically the same
no not really
>That is monstrous
and that is human
>You're not supposed to have a distant and unknown goal
they know what their goals are as for having a distant goal nothing could be more human than having goals and ambition

>For some reason, Nasu avoids making many Rin clones, but instead pours a ridiculous amount of effort into the ones he does make.

Space Ishtar was the shittiest clone we have ever had. Don't give me that bullshit.

>Yes experience them by feeling them you don't fucking learn how to feel emotions you retard
You do if you're a robot like Mashu and Romani.
>He knew how how they worked yes not understood them he was good at killing them cause he was a lot more practical than them
He understood them entirely, to the point of being able to predict every one of their actions. His practicality is a matter of approach rather than mindset.
>and Mash has interacted with on screen people
For the most part it was just Romani, who had to treat her like a project rather than a person, to his own chagrin.
>cause she gave it up
>and if you did what you said it stop her from transferring them
The magic crest's commands are not actually absolute, with great strength of will you can do something about it. But crests probably don't complain much about being transferred, the entire point of that edict is so that the research never stops, this is less a challenge and more a bypass.
>damaged yes mentally ill sometimes but not always
>eh depends on the mental illness
Anyone who seeks to worsen their situation is mentally ill, full stop.
>and that is human
Shut the fuck up.
>they know what their goals are as for having a distant goal nothing could be more human than having goals and ambition
Their goals are to reach beyond the world into the unknown and unknowable. Breaching the root is a big fucking question mark. It should not be so enticing that you'd be willing to throw others and yourself on the pyre.

It's late, I've had enough of this back and forth.

>It's late, I've had enough of this back and forth
I just stick to main points for this last post then
>You do if you're a robot like Mashu and Romani
They both 100% biologically human there is no fucking reason they wouldn't feel emotions the same as everyone else how much mental gymnastics can you muster to defend this idiotic
story
> Romani who had to treat her like a project rather than a person
What a load of shit he was watching tv with her in episode 0

No.

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Eat some fish, Sakura.
Everyday until you like it.

Maybe I can't, but he can.

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Even if you don't like her, the fact that he put 3 different personalities into her would tell you quite a bit of effort went into her, even if you think that effort had a shit result.

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Please. He tried this bullshit with Nobu too and it didn't work there either. Effort doesn't mean jackshit when the result isn't good.

I just want more cute Shirous. I wanna he dominated by Muramasa.

Why does Nasu keep recycling the FSN/FHA characters after their stories were already told?

Cause he's a hack without any more stories to tell

IMO only Eresh is a good Rinface.

Melt, Lip, and Parvati are all good Sakurafaces.

Apparently you guys never chose the flirt options you get with her. She can be very cute to bully.

All of the boys and girls in original FSN are awful and it took me 11 years to realize it

I don't pick and choose, I love all thots. Medb, however, is my waifu and the best. I love her.

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>It's dumb VN teritary spregs out episode again

>All of the boys and girls in original FSN are awful and it took me 11 years to realize it

What makes you say that?

Blonde Rin is best Rin and that's because she's barely Rin anymore.

To be Shirou's canon wife and save him from his retarded ideals.

Best Rin isn't even Rin.

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It's never be the same.

Rin is my wife

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Your wife is my anal slave, dude.

Rin!

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Your anal slave is my dude, wife

How much for a night with these two?

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you need to be an old man

I am already old and I have the money.

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People always talk about Tohsaka's anus, but Ciel in Tsukihime actually had a proper anal scene.

Because Rin is far more popular than Ciel.

are there references to oceanic creatures?
also poophole loophole lol