Will it ever be topped?

She could beat you in an arm wrestle, wouldn't that be humiliating?

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Perhaps

It's not even the best at what it's doing. Haruhi is a better time travel story.

It is but don't expect some kind of masterpiece or something smart otherwise the Rick & Morty effect will bite you in the ass.
It's a turn your brain off to enjoy kind of thing much like Jojo and Bunny Girl Senpai (and it's actually better than those).

Yeah I wanna be on top of Kirisu.

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Me too.

I've seen this thread before

Yeah, there's one about that dumb slice of life show, now.

To be fair this one is just as retarded considering none of these shows are even close to being near the top

Based Hunterchad

Okay schizo

The Big Bang Theory: The Animation.

What? I don't watch shonenshit you fucking retard

Okay norMALfag

>The anime that made you realize that even most top rated classics are unwatchable shit

bazinga

>Unironically listening to memeanimelist scores
That was your mistake retard

>norMALfaggot
Okay newfag

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>I don't watch shonenshit
Of course you don't Hunterchad, you only watch seinen

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You plebbit/MAL refugees are the newfags. Go back there.

the anime art looks so shitty

There you again, making yourself look even worse
>Says "I don't like it cause norMALfaggot and MAL MAL MAL MAL" three times already. Stop trying so hard to fit in, nobody said it's good because of its score on MAL.

Madoka was better

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why is everyone design so shit? and the redhead is the only one hot for fanarts?

Can't even greentext properly. Nice try, but it looks like you're a newfag yourself.

I never said I didn't like it you mongoloid. I'm btw.
I said that neither it nor Lucky Star were even close to being near the top, which I stand by. An user replied by calling me the funny flavor of the week buzzword, implying that it was his belief that Steins;Gate was at the top which only MALfags believes, that's why I mentioned it.
called it a "top rated classic" which is again something only MAL believes which means that was where he got his intel.
Why do you have to instantly assume I fucking hate this show and went to this thread to shit on it? I have better things to do with my time.

The Faris ending is the only other ending that has the potential to fix everything. So much is different that it's distinctly possible that WW3 and CERN's takeover are both averted.

>Implying
Fucking newfag, just wanted to make you spergout a little more

>you're a newfag!
>no, you're a newfag!
Both of you need to shut the fuck up

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What is his game name again, Chaos;Forehead?

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>when the mindless contrarianism hits

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Kek

Yes if you do this you will love it even more because it actually is a masterpiece.

Real talk I don't understand why normalfags see S;G as some kind of masterpiece. It's literally baby's first time travel story. Do they also think Back to the Future is one of the greatest movies of all time?

If it was a masterpiece I wouldn't need to turn my brain off in order to enjoy it. Something can be good without being a masterpiece.

>only Normalfags call it a masterpiece
How new are you? Jesus Christ this place has gone downhill

It's literally custom-made for normalfags to think it's a masterpiece.
>Very good production values.
>Humor designed to be mindlessly shouted as memes. I am mad scientisto, tuturu and other shit that is a guranteed success with idiots.
>"Not set in high school" and gritty aesthetic that distracts retards from realizing it's a cliched as fuck otaku-pandering date-sim.
>"le sci-fi" that only consists of a bunch of buzzwords and lets a normalfag pretend they are very smart for consuming such content. At the same time, completely devoid of any actual substance that will make retards' head hurt and scare them away.
>Soapy melodramatic bullshit that checks the "it has FEELS so it's a masterpiece" checkbox in the NPC's operating systems.

>only normalfags call it a masterpiece
Yes. Honestly yes. A smart person will enjoy it but it will appear obvious that it isn't a masterpiece. It's literally average as far as time travel stories goes. It isn't consistent with how it handles time travel, and isn't an accurate representation of how time travel would work either. I fail to see on which basis you could call it a masterpiece unless you're willing to call anything that makes you feel stuff a masterpiece.

>newfags

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>and isn't an accurate representation of how time travel would work either
Based on what Einstein?
>It isn't consistent with how it handles time travel
You watch at 2x speed or something? I'm sorry you don't understand world lines

Argue back instead of samefagging you underaged faggot, I don't care how many Reddit refugees are calling this show a masterpiece on their designated shitting threads, they're wrong.

Babys first time paradoxs shows. Other than that is mediocre

>Based on what Einstein?
Determinism. If something is going to go back in time, it's already there, since everything including it going back in time in the future is determined.
>I'm sorry you don't understand world lines
I don't care about the fancy names it gives. It switches from "you can change the past" to "oh wait actually you can't" and justifies this by "duuurrrr it's a major change". The laws of physcis don't fucking care how big a change appears to you. From a cosmic perspective it's fucking nothing.

>ywn have a Kurisu gf

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Not even the best time travel story. Not even the best show of its year or the best anime scifi.

Will you fucking stop trying so hard you contrarian faggot, screeching about MAL and redditors, you know anyone with a brain doesn't care what others think, you were called a newfag by multiple people because it's obvious.

Brainlet, the whole purpose of the "world-line" theory of time travel is to answer the grandpa paradox. It posits that if you change the past the world just splits into parallel realities independent of each other. If the characters were actually travelling to a "different world line" they would be running into parallel versions of themselves. The way S;G shows that changing the past changes the present of the world the characters are in is literally the opposite of the worldlines. The writing of the series is so low IQ it doesn't even understand the words it uses.
And then there is "you can change events, but not these specific random events" is pure a wizard did it retardation.

>Virgin Okabe
Too dumb to save his friends
Can't build a time machine
Gets kidnapped and tortured

>contrarian
How?
>screeching about MAL and redditors
Sorry to have offended you
>you know anyone with a brain doesn't care what others think
But you obviously do
>you were called a newfag by multiple people
>multiple people
lol

Stop fast fowarding through half the entire shows worth of scenes

The visual novel is a masterpiece at least.

>No you
Based retard

>if you change the past the world just splits into parallel realities independent of each other.
No, it changes to a new configuration. I don't know why so many of you keep thinking that parallel universes are a thing in Steins;Gate.

>If the characters were actually travelling to a "different world line" they would be running into parallel versions of themselves.
With D-Mails and Time Leaps you overwrite yourself and physical travel results in two physical versions of yourself. It never actually contradicts itself like that.

>but not these specific random events
But you absolutely can, it's just that it's REALLY fucking hard. You even watch Okabe do exactly that.

Yes, multiple people.

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No he's right. Trying to argue Steins;Gate is a "high IQ show" is retarded, it isn't and doesn't pretend to be one. It's Rick & Morty all over again where people take it too seriously and try to defend argue it to be something it was never meant to be.

user I was under the impression you've actually seen S;G, sorry for wasting your time.
Next time try harder than google reading a synopsis to pretend you've watched it and know shit.

>>No you
Where?

>But you absolutely can, it's just that it's REALLY fucking hard. You even watch Okabe do exactly that.
Technically he doesn't, he finds a loophole by tricking his past self (which by the way was the most "high IQ" part of the show, I wish there was a Steins;Gate done right which would only be about that). And even then, it shouldn't be really fucking hard. If you can prevent someone from picking up a hot dog with a text message, you can prevent WWIII from starting with a text message. If you can change the past you can change the past, the laws of time won't change depending on what the plot needs.

>Yes, multiple people.
lol.

Why do you care what Anons think about you so much? why don't you calm down and try formulating a rational post instead of seething so much?

This was his first post ITT. Original user is . Funny how out of 2 replies you assumed the continuation was the 2nd one for some reason.

>Post is about Steins;Gate
>"lol why do you care about what people think about you"
I'm sorry what?

It wasn't that good in the first place.

>Technically he doesn't, he finds a loophole by tricking his past self
How the hell is that not him changing the really hard to change thing?

Who even called it a masterpiece ITT before some contrarian NPC started barking about it?

OP implied it, which was pretty stupid of him frankly.

It isn't. The thing he couldn't change was him seeing Kurisu dead. And he didn't change that, his past self did see what he thought was Kurisu dead. And that's how time travel would realistically work if it existed, finding loopholes so that known events (that cannot be changed because they already happened) are caused by a context we can manipulate to our advantage. Steins;Gate done right would have been 2 cours of that.

People disagreed with the fact that it wasn't a masterpiece, it's the same as calling it one.

This,Lucky star is a masterpiece not this. Fucking newfags onlyy like it because its score on MAL

>Lucky Star is a masterpiece
Redpill me, as far as I'm concerned it and K-ON are just containment shows for moefags who thought Haruhi was for them. Is it actually worth watching?

So I guess you just found it convenient to ignore the fact that she unavoidably dies in every Beta line but that very specific one.

K-on is pure cancer and a lesson on how to do everything about a moe show wrong. Lucky Star is top5 best anime of all time.

Its just Yea Forums having a hard on for anything Kyoani theres plenty of other great SOL shows on par with if not better than Lucky star.

Because it was a fixed event that Okabe would think of her as dead and run away. So she was "dead" until Okabe got the idea to trick his past self by faking her death. Then the fixed event happened except past Okabe was wrong and she wasn't dead, but from his perspective it was the same.

>Lucky Star is top5 best anime of all time
Again, redpill me. I'm having a hard time imagining it on the same level as Haruhi, Lain and NGE.

>"le sci-fi" that only consists of a bunch of buzzwords and lets a normalfag pretend they are very smart for consuming such content.
Speedwatching was a mistake

>relatistic time travel
>Consistent with it's established rules in time travel throughput
>Ending was very well done and left you satisfied
>Engaging plot throughout
>Funny
>Good sound mixing and voice acting

I don't get it, you can call something a masterpiece only if it's not too popular?

>Technically he doesn't, he finds a loophole by tricking his past self (which by the way was the most "high IQ" part of the show
How is that high IQ? Why the fuck would the physical laws of time travel care about the subjective perspective of Okabe? It would only make sense if Okabe was a Haruhi-style unaware god and the entire universe was shaped by his subcontiousness. But that wasn't hinted at any point, which makes the whole "lmao if the scene just looks exactly like when Kurisu dies then it counts" pretty retarded.

>relatistic time travel
Not even close.
>Consistent with it's established rules in time travel throughput
Nope.
You have no idea how the world you're in works.

Technically if Kurisu's death had no other effect (which mind you makes no sense because other people would have found the body) it's theorically possible that she's not dead and as such it's possible for a time traveler to make it so she's not dead.
The effect (Okabe finding her body) is known but the cause isn't. So it's logically possible for the cause to be "a time traveler went back in time and faked her death", assuming time travel is possible. That's one way saving people through time travel could work in our world if time travel was invented.

>Characters are likeable.
>Representation of the contemporary otaku culture is accurate and interestingly portrayed.
>Humor is funny. Referential comedy is an actual comedy, not Family Guy/Gintama tier "Dragon Ball, lmao" non-jokes.
>High-level directorial work. "How to eat a chocolate cornet" scene is objectively one of the best moments in the medium's history from the cinematography point of view.

>Haruhi, Lain and NGE.
user, these are 8/10 good but not perfect series, they don't even come close to competing.

Theoretically? Yeah it is realistic

Steins;Gate is god-tier but let’s not pretend it’s realistic

It would have ONLY been kino if you found out all the time travel was his chunnibyou delusion, driven insane trying to care for his friend and dealing with his grief.
Because who the fuck can time travel with a cell phone and microwave?
Either THAT or the face Kurisu was responsible for it all along, and was making sure the two of them would fall in love in the past because she did in the future.
But no.
It took itself too seriously.

Objectively speaking, when you rate each individual quality it's a 10/10 anime

>it was all a delusion
Overdone copout

So basically "funny good characters". Yeah that's Konosuba tier, good but not a masterpiece.
>user, these are 8/10 good but not perfect series, they don't even come close to competing.
You're retarded.

It isn't. Even if time travel was invented, you wouldn't be able to change the past, because you going back in time is a determined event and as such the effect will take place before the cause. You won't change the past, you will contribute to the already existing past.

What instance was the show not consistent with the rules?

It's the only consistent pattern in the whole show, this or Kurisu being responsible for everything from the future (since she's the only one really smart enough to pull it off, and had access to the technology as it was being developed).

You're assuming the arrow of time is fixed (thus fixing cause-and-effect on a line). If time travel is invented, then it's definitive proof that it is not linear.

>Fails to appreciate the perfectly well written ending it already has
>Starts babbling about a hack, le shock value ending being kino
Don't get into writing please

Reminder that the movie being inconsistent with "muh logic” is no less ridiculous than O MY READING STEINER or using a time machine to turn a boy into a girl

Switching from "it's possible to change the past" to "this thing is determined you can't change it".
>inb4 it's because it's the big thing
Doesn't matter. The laws of physics don't care about how big something is from your perspective.

>Dude, it all worked out in the end. Just accept it.

If time travel is invented, it means we managed to make a cause have a retroactive effect on the timeline. That doesn't contradict determinism at all. Watch Haruhi, and Dark (the only good series on Netflix) if you're okay with western shit.

Everything in the show pointed to the whole adventure being a coping mechanism for Rintarou Okabe, including a childhood friend that won't "leave him alone" which is really keeping an eye on him.
But, no, magical time travel.

You're admitting that a happy ending makes you uncomfortable now? Why are you here when you must be 18 years old to post?

No, if time travel is "invented" it means we tapped into a phenomenon of the universe, not changed the universe. It logical follows time is not a neatly flowing line, and therefore cause and effect isn't, either.

Happy ending? Sure. Well executed? No. It contradicted the very premise the show was based on.

You're retarded, sorry.

Wow

But he did factually change it by altering the context of his past self's panic. You cannot deny this.

It matters because that's what starts the entire plot you dumbass. Beta literally can't exist without Okabe panicking, shifting everything to Alpha, then shifting everything back to Beta and accidentally getting Kurisu killed.

>One of the themes of the story was, "You can't escape grief," and doing so is unhealthy.
>But here's this out-of-place happy ending, ha ha!

See

>Well executed?
Yes that's right
>contradicted the very premise the show was based
No it didn't

You didn't watch the fucking movie, what a surprise

>Entire story main character has to constantly choose between two hard choice and give something up.
>But here's this ending which is the exact opposite of that!

>if time travel is "invented" it means we tapped into a phenomenon of the universe, not changed the universe
Obviously we didn't change the universe, what are you talking about?
>t logical follows time is not a neatly flowing line, and therefore cause and effect isn't, either
And that's exactly why by going back in time you would only do what was always supposed to be done, aka things that were already done before you left. It's impossible to change the past even by time traveling. If you're trying to contradict something that already happened you WILL fail somehow, otherwise it wouldn't have happened because of you preventing it.

>muh themes
Yeah ok

>You can't escape grief
And guess what Okabe did? He fought against what was causing him grief and addressed the root cause while enduring a lot of trauma and emotional pain so that he would one day live without that grief.

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>ignoring a common literary trope is good writing!
k

Because he found a loophole

It's almost like it was shitty wish-fulfillment writing which ignored its own message.

Like I said: shitty writing.

>But he did factually change it by altering the context of his past self's panic
He didn't alter it. The context was always an unknown. When you see the first episode and see Kurisu's body and him running away you don't know what the context behind this body is. That's why it was able to be manipulated, because it was unknown and as such it could potentially be anything as long as it makes sense.

wow awesome, thanks faggot

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t.keyboard warrior with no education

Yes and one of the themes could also be perseverance. Which okabe had and is why he succeeded

You're still confusing cause-and-effect with linear time. If time travel exists, linear time is an illusion, therefore cause-and-effect can no longer be considered linear.

She was alive you retard he did alter it

I'm not surprised a Steins Gate fan wouldn't give a quarter shit about the concept of themes, but this is a terrible comeback.

Confronting and dealing with grief is not running away from it.

Whether past Okabe is aware of the altered context is entirely irrelevant. The situation changed and so the ultimate outcome changed.

This is the best argument people have defending drivel. Personal attacks.

>Perseverance was a theme!
lol not even once
Everything he did was a shortcut.

>NOOOOO YOU CANT REWARD THE MC FOR FACING HIS GRIEF HEAD ON IN A TIME LOOP AND NEVER GIVING UP

>lol not even once
Are you retarded? Did you even read the thing?

Cause and effect will always be linear, if we do manage to travel in time it just means a cause can have an effect that is retroactif, aka the effect precedes the cause. But then the effect would still happen if the cause is determined to happen in the future.

>the best defense offered is throwing a fit
kek

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He fucking hasn't read it or watched it, idk what he gains by pretending like he has.

>Cause and effect will always be linear
By definition, it is not if time travel exists. Saying "the effect precedes the cause" supports that. In fact, most theories support the idea of multiple timelines cause effects in each other laterally.

How did okabe not persevere through everything? His future self dedicated years to that plan

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LET MY WAIFUUUUUUUUU DIEEEEEEEEEEE
If they had balls, they would have kept her dead. But shitters like you are the reason the writing was cheapened.

>Defensive
it's not liked I stopped caring when you admitting to being a shitposter here

>his future self shows up for three seconds to hint at a plan
Yeah, really persevering there getting that deus ex machina.

>confusing two posts as samefag
>even that other post doesn't say what you say it does
You just hate it because it makes you feel uncomfortable, but that isn't shitposting. That's just you being butthurt.

Because her being dead wasn't the fixed event you brainlet.

>Whether past Okabe is aware of the altered context is entirely irrelevant
How can you say it's altered when we've never shown what it "used to be"? How can you say for sure it was altered and wasn't always that way?
>Inb4 the instances where Okabe killed Kurisu with the knife
That's a plot hole, in reality if this happened he wouldn't be able to change it either since it already happened, his only hope would be for the Kurisu he killed to be a fake somehow. Obviously we see her move and talk so that won't be easy but it's theorically possible if you can fake that to still save her.

>Either his love interest dies, or his childhood friend dies.
>Doesn't explain why, it just is. The universe just magically hates one of them if the other lives. Have some death.
>No real explanation.
>Just believe it.
>Totally scientific, dudes.

Time and causality are different things. If by causality being non-linear you mean that it isn't synchronized with the timelline then I agree, but that doesn't means you can change the past, quite the opposite.

>not even once
What? He could have just said fuck it and not go along with the final plan after everything he's been through

>Time and causality are different things.
Try to define one without the other. I'll wait.

mods? user is fucking admitting to being underage here. should I be surprised you don't know what a good ending means?

I'll explain it to you if you want you blatantly underage faggot,

I love my wife Luka!

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>Dude, he could have done something else.
That doesn't defend any of your counter-points. In fact, he wasn't even persevering in the second season. He just gave the fuck up and started taking drugs, not to mention loving on a literal waifubot. His future self showing up was a free fix.

>good ending needs to be grim dark, or have epic a epic twist! I'm a big boy who doesn't need happy endings

Just because they're linked doesn't means it's the same thing. Are you retarded?

Good endings have to fit the story. A sudden, "And the waifu lived because of magical reasons!" does not.

It's called an argument from definition. You can't even explain what you mean by "linked" because the entire volume of your knowledge regarding science and philosophy can be summed up as, "I YouTubed it." You might actually have attempted sending messages into the past with a microwave and a cellphone.

It already has been topped. Not that you anime-only secondaries would know that though.

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It's ending is consistent with it's themes, sorry.

>You might actually have attempted sending messages into the past with a microwave and a cellphone.

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Steins;Gate is inconsistent but not for this reason, actually if it was consistent saving both Kurisu and Mayuri wouldn't be a problem at all considering he was already able to change the past.
Your mistake is assuming Kurisu dying was a fixed event. It wasn't. Okabe finding the body was. Weither or not she was actually dead or just knocked up could be manipulated.

>if this happened he wouldn't be able to change it either since it already happened
No he'd just go ahead and fake it.

>Your mistake is assuming Kurisu dying was a fixed event.
see The story shows, repeatedly, one of them had to die. For multiple episodes.

> Gets kidnapped and tortured
> Still rises like fooking Phoenix and BWAHAHAHAs in the face of russian specnaz and burger intelligence agencies.
He never had sex but I wish was the virgin Okabe was.

My point was a theme could be perseverance, him choosing to do nothing in the end would conflict with that but he chose to do it even stabbing himself when the liquid inside the glow stick dried up how the fuck is that not perseverance?

>Because I said so.
Thanks for your input.

Very obviously you have no idea which user you're replying to if you think I believe Steins;Gate to be consistent, let alone realistic. I'm explaining the fact that even if time travel was made possible, changing the past would still be impossible because everything is determined.

>The story shows, repeatedly, one of them had to die. For multiple episodes
Kurisu death wasn't a fixed event, go actually watch the fucking thing or the vn again speedeader

>could be
All you have to do is demonstrate that. And to be clear, not once did he succeed at something through continuous effort.

Tracking the IBN with Moeka you twit.

>Show repeatedly demonstrates one of them had to die.
>For multiple episodes.
>DUDE IT DIDN'T OKAY
Did your turn your brain off trying to watch a "science" show? Holy shit.

Or you could watch the show instead of basing your knowledge of it off a Yea Forums post? Okabe thought Kurisu had to die because he had to see her body and run away thinking she's dead. Very obviously when you figure that out your first reaction is thinking you have to see a dead body, before trying to find a loophole.

Oh? Why would it matter?
Remember, every time Kurisu lived, his childhood friend died several days later. No real connection between the two other than, "Universe said so."
So why would it inconsistently say, "Eh, fuck it," this time? It wouldn't.
There is no loophole. The writer just got tired of waifushitters.

Contrariranism is a mental illness

The VN is great the anime...not so much

>not once did he succeed at something through continuous effort
Did you watch the show? He saves kurisu by just that as ive stated. He failed the final plan once went back stabbed himself and succeeded. Youre retarded.

Here's the only way I can make sense of Steins;Gate's time travel. Say Okabe sends d-mail to the past that changes the past somehow. What this means that somehow the whole universe is first reverted to a state corresponding to the time the d-mail was sent to - except Okabe's original memories somehow magically exempt from this process, preserved somewhere as if "outside the universe". Then time progresses forward as usual except with the d-mail and the changes it causes taken into account. When the time is the same when the d-mail was originally send, Okabe's original memories enter his brain again replacing his memories that correspond to the d-mail changes.

Compare this to the two more traditional ways of doing time travel to the past:

1) World is already splitting into many parallel universes all the time. When you "time travel to the past", you actually just arrive at a parallel universe at a time when it's exactly like the past point in time in your original universe, but then it starts to diverge according to what you do.

2) Whatever you do on your time travel trip was always part of the history to begin with. Circumstances will prevent you changing anything that you knew happened, or maybe you change your mind and won't do the change out of your own choice. Or maybe what you learned about the past was always a lie to begin with.

Now maybe Steins;Gate's way of doing it isn't literally inconsistent, but at the very least I think it's way more contrived than either of the two above. So I don't think it deserves to be praised for doing time travel in a particularly logical or plausible way.

Read. The. VN.

SG is the only thing I will never not be super autistic on animeonlyfags over. And reading all these anime-shitters try to argue about things that were barely even explained in that sorry excuse for a show is irritating.

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I don't care which user I'm replying to. You're all words on a screen to me. If you reply to my post with an argument, then you get a reply. Who you are personally doesn't factor into it, and I don't care who you are.
And I'm telling you if time travel is real, then changing the past is possible. A "deterministic" universe doesn't exist simply because you want it to. We already have scientific evidence supporting the argument that it is not deterministc.

His future self showed up as a deus ex machina. No effort on the character's part other than showing up for three seconds with a magic fix. And that's what it was, a magic fix from nowhere.

Almost like the story is shit.

Low IQ edgefag brainlets were a mistake

I agree, not the case with steins gate however

>every time Kurisu lived
No, every time he saw her dead body and ran away.

>You're all words on a screen to me
Then you obviously failed to read those words right.
>A "deterministic" universe doesn't exist simply because you want it to
But everything is determined. Tell me one thing that isn't caused. Tell me one cause that have an effect that "varies". You can't. If randomness actually existed we wouldn't feel the need to simulate it like we do.
>We already have scientific evidence
Show it to me then. Doubt it'd be anything that would be beyond Laplace's demon's ability to calculate.

Cringe and yikes from me

Yes.

>bringing up anime devices as an actual argument to time travel
>dude just explain to me what is already accepted by QM as a given
k

>bringing up anime devices as an actual argument to time travel
What?
>dude just explain to me what is already accepted by QM as a given
Yes. Should be easy if it's so obvious to you no?

>No, every time he saw her dead body and ran away.
Are you lacking reading comprehension. If she lived, how can he see her dead body and run away?

>isn't literally inconsistent
So it isn't inconsistent. By the way, "things change in the present (with the exception of my memories) when the past is altered" isn't contrived. It's just part of the setting that humans can retain that kind of information.

Are you actually trying to claim that randomness isn't a thing now?

Ignoring 0. Are you really saying past okabe put in no effort to execute that final plan? Despite even bleeding himself or facing the trauma? Ok.

THE

THEEEEEEEEEEEE

most overhyed anime of the 2010s BAR NONE

>What?
It's in your post. You figure it out.

>Yes. Should be easy if it's so obvious to you no?
Sure. Every piece of evidence you find in support of a deterministic evidence will be from fiction, despite the uncertainty of reality presented by QM in and of itself.

I love Moeka!

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>If she lived, how can he see her dead body and run away?
The show literally answers that for you. Watch it.

>Are you actually trying to claim that randomness isn't a thing now?
Obviously I am and I'm right. Randomness isn't a thing. It's a word we're using to refer to things with an outcome that's beyond our capacity to calculate, but not theorically unpredictable. Nothing is theorically unpredictable.

>First season, puts in a shit ton of effort. Universe basically says, "Fuck you, she dies." The end.
>Second season, takes drugs and basically goes out with a computer replica of her to escape his grief.
>Only until his future self shows up out of the blue does she come back, and her existing violates every single pre-established rule regarding WHY HE LET HER DIE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

We know, no one

>The show literally answers that for you. Watch it.
No it doesn't. It's just hand-waved. No, worse, forgotten about.

>It's in your post
No, it's in your head.

>the uncertainty of reality presented by QM
Again, show me. Show me something that isn't determined.

Based waifuposter.

>Obviously I am and I'm right. Randomness isn't a thing.
Well, it's a good thing anonymous said so. Phew. Look at all that evidence you provided.

>la la you're the one that's insane, not me!
>FUCK SCIENCE
Well, it's your own personal reality, I guess. If you want to be delusional, by all means, do so, just don't bother others.

So you're not going to back up your claims at all?

Please describe to me in detail what the "Steins;Gate" actually is. Maybe you'll find some answers if you do.

Choose your waifu, until you get them all for free.

>Doesn't substantiate a single one of his claims.
>Demands others do.

It is the will of science to defy God. Einstein's decision. And Frankenstein's decision.

Why is it so hard for Hunterfags to understand a basic story?

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Memories are ultimately physical things stored in matter somehow. A form of time travel that needs to assume that they can be exempt from otherwise drastic and total changes to the universe is definitely more contrived and implausible than a form of time travel that doesn't.
Steins;Gate's time travel also gives God-like powers to the time travelers with their ability to tamper with the whole universe this way - contrast this with traveling to either a parallel universe that's already there or to past as it always was.
Not inconsistent, but even more of a stretch of plausibility than time travel usually is.

Most accurate post ITT.

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It's impossible to prove the negative. Your lack of proof is my proof.

>Hunterfags
Literally fucking who? Did you post this in the wrong thread user?

The transcendent joy of fucking your hotpants and pantyhose science wife while hanging out with your cute childhood friend. That is what it means to reach Steins Gate.

>Make unsubstantiated positive claims.
>Dude, like, negative claims, something something, (uses fallacies as a buzzword).
Disgusting.

OOOOOOOOOH I'MMMMMAAAAAAAAA BOUTTTAAAAAAAAA STEINS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE

His future self perseveres, makes a plan, sends it back, his past self perseveres and executes that plan even spilling his own blood to see if through. All of that is perseverance, I'd say thats a major theme. It didnt violate any rules. He used a loophole and found a new worldline

>positive claims
I backed up all of my positive claims with logic. Your positive claims of randomness and undetermined things existing are what remains unsubstantiated.
I said show me something that's impossible to predict. I'm waiting. Pro tip: If you're gonna say the human brain, you're wrong. It's the most "random" thing in the observable universe, but it's still predictable with enough knowledge. Laplace's demon could predict it.

>It's a theme if it's thrown in like a dues ex machina.

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...But he's a guy.

>Keeps citing anime plot devices as evidence.
I'll see your Laplace's demon and raise you Cantor's Diagonal Argument. I'll accept your loss now.

Mankinds perseverance through adversity and failure

A study of human nature, you can figuretively bend reality to your will when you refuse to run away from anything. Quite simple really

Lol.
Admit it, you just googled it and had no idea what I was talking about. Which is fine by me, I myself don't bother with looking stuff up and only learned about Laplace's demon after having myself used this exact concept to explain determinism (before I learned it was called determinism). It's just easier to namedrop something that can be looked up.
(You), however, seem to be namedropping things wikipedia told you were related without actually knowing what they mean. Pro tip: Anything that assumes free will is a thing is objectively wrong.

I mean he was established to exist till 2025 or something and his friends a bit later working as a rebels against sern so i don't see why he couldn't come up with a plan.

>Didn't actually look up Laplace's demon until just now.
>Quite readily says it was disproven.
>DUDE YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE SOMETHING SOMETHING WIKIPEDIA
You probably should have looked up your own argument first instead of pulling it from an anime.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampo_Kitan:_Game_of_Laplace
Waifushitters will never learn.

Because a dues ex machina is shit writing, that's why.

Is it? He got that message in ep 1 and he met the requirements to view and like i said it was established that all of them were rebels against sern.

>Is it?
Yes.

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>ignoring everything else

>entertain cope

In being shit? Dr. Stone did manage to come pretty close.

Dont know how im coping the message was established since ep1 and came into play at the end.

>Dont know how im coping
Confused denial is the first sign of coping.

Yeah ok just ignore the fact that the message existed since ep1 and go on about muh cope

Shows women will never understand

Cope harder, copelord.

>nooo you can't time travel with a microwave it's not possible

Konosuba is also top10 best anime of all time.
One day you'll stop being underaged and realize the show's quality is based on how well it does whatever it attempts to do, not how many "muh mature themes" it piles on.

You are arguing about the science of fictional Japanese cartoon characters.
Faggots.

>Unemployed college-aged losers can afford to rent an entire apartment.
>A pregnant woman would change her dietary habits (a thing that literally can cause a miscarriage btw) because of a random spam e-mail, and that directly affects the gender of her child.
You have to be 12 to believe any of this is possible, S;G is a Dexter's Laboratory level cartoon

Steins Gate fans are so full of memes and belligerence it's disgusting.

I loved the VN, is the anime worth watching?

I'm arguing the show is a masterpiece because of how thematically consistent it is well delivered.

Why otaku pandering shit is ok when Steins Gate does it?

Both are boring as fuck

Yes, you have to watch it you loved the vn

Agreed
The show is pure distilled reddit

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ha ha remember that one time they implied they posted on Yea Forums?!?!!? and they tricked her into finishing a meme?!?! ahahhah that as great BAZINGA

Sort of? Not particularly.
It super compresses chapters 6, 7, and 8, and completely butchers chapter 9. The whole second half of the story suffers a lot.
The first half is still good though.

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Pitiful sight, why are you seething? It wasn't enough to spend over an hour saying things only an underage person would say now you embarrass yourself further with spam

> (OP)
>steins gate is shit
FYCK YOU

>seething
How did you losers manage to out your own hypocrisy within one post, kek

>Links Wikipedia because he can't explain his shit himself
Lmao

Jesus christ she was knocked out in a pool of okabe's blood

fpbp

>the show's quality is based on how well it does whatever it attempts to do
And? Haruhi, Lain, NGE and Madoka do what they intend to do very well despite having higher objectives. Konosuba is fun but if you think it's top 10 you're braindead.

You're speaking to the same retard who said Okabe winning was wish-fulfilment and not consistent with shows themes

We're arguing about science over a sci-fi time travel story. It's perfectly justified

Science FICTION.

What if I just want something that's fucking fun, then? You fucking higher than thou cunt.

People who complain over realism should kill themselves

Who cares what he thinks, he's too concerned with his contrarianism to form his own opinion

Fiction doesn't means fantasy retard, it just means it's not a true story. SCIENCE fiction tries to imagine hypothetical situation and keep them coherent in the author's understanding of our universe.

>What if I just want something that's fucking fun, then?
Then you don't need to watch a masterpiece, just go for a fun show.

>Contrarianism
Do you even understand the words you use faggot?

Unpopular opinion: It's actually a romance story and all the scifi elements are only used for the sake of enhancing it, not for scifi itself.
Actually I'd go as far as claim that real scifi can only exists as literature.

I honestly don't understand why fags bring up the laws of physics for why the time travel wont work as if steins gate hasnt broken the laws of physics with its microwave sending back texts

Would've just been another run of the mill VN adaptation without Hamasaki's amazing directing

>Fiction doesn't means fantasy
>SCIENCE fiction tries to imagine hypothetical situation and keep them coherent in the author's understanding of our universe.
You do realize most science fiction is based on science that is fictional?

Agreed

Will it ever be good? It was at the very bottom, I don't know what you mean by 'top' when literally anything is better. The English dub of Ghost Stories has more merit in story and characterization.

Here’s your (You)

lolcow

>Actually I'd go as far as claim that real scifi can only exists as literature
How does that even work? A story is a story the medium doesn't matter. Also watch Lain, sci-fi is witout a doubt its primary genre and it's an excellent take on observer theory (the theory itself is wrong but the show does interesting things with it - because of this you may argue that it isn't actual sci-fi, but since it's still faithful to the author's interpretation of our world I'd say it still counts as sci-fi).

Fictional, yes, but not nonsensical, at least not when it's taking itself seriously and well done.

The science itself can be as nonsensical as any fantasy story, which most of it is, hence why it’s called science fiction. It’s not just a fictional story, the science itself can be and usually is fictional.

Again it depends on weither or not the story tries to be serious.

Kurisu is best girl.

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>It's a turn your brain off to enjoy kind of thing
wat
steins gate gets into time shit which most people need their brains for

>dude it has a guy in a lab coat so its big bang theory
unscrew your head and dunk it in the trash, faggot

Based, people who say criticisms like that are NPCS

imagine being this much of a retard

Not really. Turning your brain on will just make it obvious to you how flawed its mechanics are. Just because it's time travel doesn't means it can't be the "turn off your brain to enjoy" kind

holy shit you're a moron

lol

what's wrong with MAL? i like it to catalog the shows i watched and rate them to remember what i thought about them

dude, people got confused with fucking back to the future and avengers endgame
steins gate is a bit more complex than both of those, turning your brain off is not good advice at all

The only things wrong with it are the community and the global scores and rankings, if you're only using it as a glorified txt you're fine

good to know i was a little worried there

>people got confused with fucking back to the future and avengers endgame
Rightfully so considering the way those portray time travel is retarded. Same goes for S;G, that's why I'm saying people should turn their brain off and just follow the story without wondering about how the mechanics of time in universe work, because they make no sense.

Sorry guys wrong pic

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>dude i know 100% how time travel works
you're fucking autistic and not in the good way

>mentally deficient samefag can't understand a basic comparison.
What these shows have in common is "us nerds, amirite?" minstrel-show level comedy aimed at cancerous normalfags who like the idea of being a nerd/otaku but know jackshit about the real thing.

>>dude i know 100% how time travel works
Right now it doesn't. Ground breaking I know. But it's possible to determine how it would work if it existed.

but that's wrong you retard

>if it existed
user, I...

While I don't agree with all of the scores and rankings, I think that using the site to find anime to watch is fine.

>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE A SITE I DON'T LIKE NOOOOOOOOO STOP IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

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I think it does make sense.

Events happen out of order in Steins;Gate.
Sometimes things that happen later have "already happened".

I think this show is an 8/10 at best, but man is it funny seeing people lose their shit over it.

It depends honestly. I never tried using it because I get anime names from Yea Forums threads and people I know but does it give enough exposure to series with a low global score? Won't users get tricked into thinking they shouldn't watch Haruhi season 2 for example?

(You)

>Sometimes things that happen later have "already happened"
And that's the problem, you can't have that and also give your characters the ability to change the past. It's illogical.

Only Madoka matches this description. You are too retarded to actually analyze a work of fiction critically and see that NGE completely falls apart in its structure by the last ~7 episodes, that Lain is unironically pretentious, i.e. had random confusing garbage thrown in for the sake of being confusing because the head-up-his-ass writer wanted "to start a culture war between the West and the East," or that Haruhi is a shitty highschool LN proped by a good adaptation.
Menwhile the montage in the end Konosuba Episode 1 is one of the easiest to point out examples of 150 IQ moments in a anime.
You have a right sentiment of trying to use your brain when watching fiction, but don't embarass yourself arguing with adults.

100%

That has literally nothing to do with whether or not it’s sci-fi

>not understanding the concept of alternate universes

At this point I can't tell if you're baiting or retarded.

Go back

been here since 06, suck my fucking dick

What does this have to do with anything? Either you can change the past or you can't.

But it's like that because they can change the past. The entire timeline is being tampered with front-to-back by SERN. That's how they were able to create the rounders just a few days after seeing the dmail on their system.

>Midwit out of his league gets btfo-ed, copes by throwing random buzzwords/insults.

the past isn't being changed, moron
Okabe is moving between alternate realities by creating paradoxes

>But it's like that because they can change the past
Except there are some event that are fixed, because they're determined. This shouldn't happen if you can change the past.

(You)

Steins;Gate doesn't have alternate universes though, they are explicit about that and that's largely what drives the story because otherwise Okabe couldn't so much save Mayuri as simply get himself into an universe where she doesn't die.

If that were true, you’d have to go back even more

they literally talk about world lines and show measurements of the distance in horizontal time traveled

The entire situation they are in is contingent on certain past events happening. Those past events happened because of time travel from the future. Thus that future outcome must happen, or else those past events wouldn't have happened.

In order to change those future events, you need to find the cause and unravel it. Changing the past isn't enough

It doesn't matter if he's changing the past or moving to an alternate reality since we're having his perspective. The fact that he didn't just "move to an alternate reality where he saved Mayuri" when he first saved her is inconsistent with how time travel has been portrayed in the rest of the series.

the different world lines don't actually exist, other than as "possibilities". they are not independently existing universes

I just browse it like a catalog, for instance, as what's shown here:
myanimelist.net/anime/season/2019/summer

By default, it's sorted by popularity or most members who are part of a certain anime.

>Thus that future outcome must happen, or else those past events wouldn't have happened.
You mean like literally every D-mail they sent prevented them from sending it in the new world line? And reality didn't give a shit?

>anime
yes
>visual novel
no

>Except there are some event that are fixed, because they're determined.
Not how convergence works. Convergence does not fix events, it fixes results, usually catalytic elements further down the timeline.
However, convergence is not immutable, it is merely highly resilient to change.

No, it is way too perfect and nothing can ever come close.

You can change outcomes, but you need to find the specific cause.
When you change the past, a new stable timeline is constructed beforehand, with future events changing past events changing future events.....etc. You then travel to that timeline.

Lmao what do you college dropouts consider “high IQ” anime? Evangelion? Lain? Fucking hidamari sketch? The only people I see insecure enough over their intelligence to insult shows over it are steins;gate haters, grow up

Still doesn't make sense.

But again that isn't consistent with what was shown. Steins;Gate tells you it's possible to change the past and then "wait actually not that that you can't". That doesn't make sense

>insult shows
>haters
Are you seriously implying that saying a show isn't a masterpiece because it has plot holes is insulting it? It's not even a matter of IQ, you faggots are bringing up this concept whenever people start to back up their claims.

>Won't users get tricked into thinking they shouldn't watch Haruhi season 2 for example?
yeah and that's a shame because i think it was on par with the first season

This

It's even better honestly. Season 1 is a masterpiece by its own rights but the 2009 re-airing and how it acted as a build up for Disappearance by developing Nagato's character (including by empathy with Endless Eight) and put a background behind everything in season 1 with Bamboo is really unique. It was unheard of and nothing like it ever happened again. And it's likely nothing will considering the backslash it got from retards.

>Still doesn't make sense.
What about it does not make sense to you, anonymous?

Because I'm a retarded faggot and it's confusing okay? Spoonfeed me

I watch only mature anime and Steins;Cringe is cringe for teens.

yeah i agree i like it more than S1 aswell it's just that generally most people don't like endless eight. i thought it was probably the best part of the show. it was a cool episode in it's own right and all the subtle changes were nice. and i agree with your point of it building up perfectly for the movie. i just didn't really like the movie as much because the thing i liked most about the series was the character of haruhi. even though she was a bitch while filming the movie

Why are some effects fixed and not others? If you can change events that already happened, then you can theorically change anything.

Damn........ You're pretty hardcore

>Why are some effects fixed and not others?
Because they have major consequences for the shape of the future for the human race at large (that is, an attractor field's boundaries), usually due to predicating the result of time machines and who gets them.
>If you can change events that already happened, then you can theorically change anything.
You CAN change anything. It just takes a lot more work to change a convergent event of an attractor field, because it means you have to get into another attractor field entirely, which means you have to reshape the whole of the future. Which is usually not a simple task.

>Because they have major consequences
Doesn't matter. The laws of physics don't care about what is from your perspective a major consequence.
>It just takes a lot more work to change a convergent event
It shouldn't. The rules of time shouldn't rely on weither or not what you're changing is relevant to the narrative.

>Doesn't matter. The laws of physics don't care about what is from your perspective a major consequence.
Cool, the laws of physics as you know them aren't what Steins;Gate runs on.
>It shouldn't. The rules of time shouldn't rely on weither or not what you're changing is relevant to the narrative.
tl;dr you have bad math.
Take it up with god.

holy based

Based post

>Will it ever be topped?
Of course not, it did everything right. It wad perfect

>the laws of physics as you know them aren't what Steins;Gate runs on
And because of this they should care about humanity's fee-feels? No.
>Take it up with god.
You can't talk to fictional characters.

According to Japan it already was. By MiA, VEG, KonoSuba and SoraYori.
Butthurt Rick n Morty fans need not reply.

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No

>Muh sales
Who gives a fuck what nips think
>Still obsessed with Rick and Morty
Commit suicide

>And because of this they should care about humanity's fee-feels? No.
Who gets a time machine and when has massive spatiotemporal consequences. The shape of time is itself altered by the consequences, why would it not be easier or harder? Should all stones be equally easy to move, even though larger ones have significantly more mass?
>You can't talk to fictional characters.
Learn japanese and send a complaint to 5pb.

It's literally not about muh sales otherwise stuff like Madoka would be #1 but that's not the case, not even close.
See? I told you retards to not reply. You do nothing but embarrass yourselves.

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>muh laws of physics
As if steins gate hasnt broken them with its entire premise

>The shape of time is itself altered by the consequences
No you brainlet. The universe doesn't care about what happens to humanity.
Something can be harder to change like for example Moeka only listening to FB so they had to get his phone, that makes sense. But the "wait no actually you can't do that lol she still dies" bullshit? No.

This is what you resort to now, after convincing others you've never even seen S;G with your speedeader posts.

>No you brainlet. The universe doesn't care about what happens to humanity.
Cool, the universe isn't getting reshaped. Only Earth is.
>Something can be harder to change like for example Moeka only listening to FB so they had to get his phone, that makes sense. But the "wait no actually you can't do that lol she still dies" bullshit? No.
Eveyone has a date of death in every typical attractor field, unable to die before or after. The most you can wiggle around is a few days, and that requires differences within the attractor field. Take it up with god for making people mortal.

Yup, that's a cope. Now go eat your cereal and cry to the latest SW trailer soiboy.

>buzzword buzzword buzzword
You're, cry over Rick and Morty some more schizo

mentally ill

Which site is this?

>Cool, the universe isn't getting reshaped. Only Earth is.
Your point being? The laws of physics don't care about earth either.
>Eveyone has a date of death in every typical attractor field, unable to die before or after. The most you can wiggle around is a few days, and that requires differences within the attractor field. Take it up with god for making people mortal.
Ok but you do realize that makes no sense at all right? If there was a god in the S;G universe making sure that fixed events were happening for some fucking reason they had to say so.

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Such a trashy scene.

Im not the guy you're arguing with but you do know SG is scifi right? Why are you crying about the laws of physics despite this? It's about using a microwave to send texts to the past. It tries to cover up its fictional nature by using plenty real world material, is this somehow convincing you that operates by actual real world science 100%?

>Your point being? The laws of physics don't care about earth either.
Dude, Earth is a rock. In space. The laws of physics care about it insofar as it is a rock in space. The gravity of Earth pulls on Mars, Jupiter, and the Sun itself.
The timeline of Earth has its own inertia, and shoving it one way or another requires different quantities of energy depending on how far you're shoving it.
>Ok but you do realize that makes no sense at all right? If there was a god in the S;G universe making sure that fixed events were happening for some fucking reason they had to say so.
It's a result of events having a future consequence that has already been calculated. Yet again I'll go back to the metaphor of weight; it is a very large stone that has been cut and placed. You can move it, but it's not as easy as moving a smaller rock.

Why would he talk to his daughter like that

I think I got about 1/3rd of the way through the season and got bored as fuck

Fuck off newfag.

Not new, I just don't use that site
I use anikore, bangumi, billibilli and douban to check ratings

I'm well aware that Steins;Gate doesn't pretend to be coherent and doesn't take itself seriously. It was never meant to be some kind of masterpiece. But people ITT apparently fail to get that.

>The timeline of Earth has its own inertia, and shoving it one way or another requires different quantities of energy depending on how far you're shoving it.
What the fuck are you even talking about? At this point you're just making shit up.
>It's a result of events having a future consequence that has already been calculated.
You mean like Okabe sending a D-mail to the past because something didn't happen and he wanted to make it happen? What he changed had an already calculated consequence too yet it was able to be changed.
>Yet again I'll go back to the metaphor of weight
This metaphor doesn't make sense though. Things are heavy because of their mass, not because when you're trying to lift them a certain way the plot just says "nope you can't".

Newfaggot here, really liked this show any other good timeloop stuff

I love time travel as a theme but I get the feeling it's more of a western thing and Japan doesn't like it as much. There's not enough time travel anime imo, especially considering Haruhi is quite literally the only one that did it right (and it's a LN adaptation so not even originally an anime). The only form of time travel that's common in anime is "time leap" aka videogame resets, which is hardly even actual time travel.

Again, fuck off newfag. Try actually doing the things you say you do before pretending to not be new.

Not even the best sci-fi of the decade.

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Based.

I already told you the sites I do use, if this is some site to track overall sales stuff then I don't recognize it since i don't go in the shit-flinging sales threads

>im well aware
Then stop trying to apply real world physics to it. You shouldn't have gotten past ep 1 or 2 seeing as how you harp on about it.

I'm not trying to apply real world physics to it, I'm explaining why it's not consistent with its own physics.

So what is steins gate's physics?

From the beginning it displays the ability to change events that already happened, essentially meaning free will exists and the future is decided by humanity's actions and isn't determined.
It then goes on to directly contradict that by shoehorning determinism into it when Mayuri HAS TO DIE no matter what because otherwise it'd be too easy and the ending would feel unearned.

N e w f a g

Is this response projection or just pure autism?

It was Anikore but it isn't showing STEINS; GATE for some reason so I thought it was a similar site, dunno why it isn't working

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He is just being an asshole, Anikore works now by the way, dunno why it was doing that before

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I wonder if people were saying the same about BTTF when it came out.

Well okabe did change mayuris fate no matter how deterministic by switching to another attractor field.

Yeah but that's a problem that he had to do that. It's a problem that she kept dying "because it had to happen". That really isn't consistent with what was previously shown to be possible.

>What the fuck are you even talking about? At this point you're just making shit up.
It's convergence. Of course it's made up.
>You mean like Okabe sending a D-mail to the past because something didn't happen and he wanted to make it happen? What he changed had an already calculated consequence too yet it was able to be changed.
Yeah, D-Mails can change time in a big way when used correctly. Since, you know, that's what time travel is.
>This metaphor doesn't make sense though. Things are heavy because of their mass, not because when you're trying to lift them a certain way the plot just says "nope you can't".
And in Steins;Gate convergent events are hard to alter because of their contribution to the integrity of an attractor field. That's their equivalence of mass.

What was the moral of the story?

Don't give up and don't compromise.

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Why are newfags pretending Anikore means something again?

It is just some new guy being proud of finding a site with rankings in nip.

Well that plot element went along with the reveal of how time travel actually works by suzu. We the viewers and okabe just werent privy to the actual workings yet.

>D-Mails can change time in a big way when used correctly. Since, you know, that's what time travel is.
And yet he wasn't able to simply save Mayuri like the other things he changed.
>And in Steins;Gate convergent events are hard to alter because of their contribution to the integrity of an attractor field. That's their equivalence of mass.
That's honestly not a good explanation. You can clearly see that they tried to find a justification for plot elements instead of these plot elements being the logical conclusion of the laws of time in universe. That's a massive red flag.

But again it doesn't really matter, you should be able to figure out how time works in a show simply by seeing it work, if it's well done and consistent. If it was consistent the show wouldn't feel the need to explain shit, since it could be logically deduced. Unless it just wants to brag, but that wasn't the case here.

well for the purposes of the plot it obviously had to be explained to okabe since suzu was an actual time traveler from the future as was hinted at. the protagonist was okabe and the viewer had his perspective.

This, it's cheesy but honestly beautiful in. way

*Beautiful in a way*

I can get the main characters needing to be told things, but the problem is that here they were very obviously making stuff up to justify inconsistent writing

>And yet he wasn't able to simply save Mayuri like the other things he changed.
What D-Mail could he send that would save Mayuri, exactly? She's not dying of environmental factors, she's dying from date of death.
>That's honestly not a good explanation.
Take it up with god.

what stuff were they making up? its how the creators decided their time travel would work, how was it inconsistent writing? suzu was introduced early on and was hinted to be a time traveler multiple times to me it would seem they had the idea for time travel to work in that fashion and have suzu explain it fully to okabe and the viewer who again didnt fully understand how the time travel actually worked

>What D-Mail could he send that would save Mayuri, exactly?
It doesn't have to be a D mail. He can time leap too. What he tried to do at first should have worked.
>she's dying from date of death
Another bullshit concept.

It's well constructed emotionally resonant enough for me, it's a masterpiece. People have their own opinions

>It doesn't have to be a D mail. He can time leap too. What he tried to do at first should have worked.
Time Leaping is not true time travel (you're just moving your 'present'), it barely alters divergence at all.
>Another bullshit concept.
Too bad. Even in the total absence of any convenient lethal events, Mayuri simply falls over dead of spontaneous cardiac arrest in Luka's ending. Convergent death is as much a part of the setting as gravity and magnetism. Take it up with god.

The problem is that the laws of time in the universe were shaped around the needs of the plot rather than the opposite. Which ended up making these rules completely nonsensical and arbitrary.

>Time Leaping is not true time travel
It was literally archieved the same way and is still sending something to the past (your consciousness). So it should work the same way. Again, either your universe is determined or it isn't.
>Convergent death is as much a part of the setting as gravity and magnetism
If convergent death is the problem then how comes him finding Kurisu's dead body was the fixed event rather than Kurisu's death itself? I've only seen the anime btw.

>the laws of time in the universe were shaped around the needs of the plot
well yeah? otherwise the plot wont work. within steins gate certain events must happen a worldline in order for it to come about such as mayuris death.
>these rules completely nonsensical and arbitrary
how so?

>otherwise the plot wont work
The plot has to be designed with the rules in mind, not the way around.
>how so?
Like I said before, switching between determinism and giving people the ability to change the past.

God damnit the anime fucking butchered 0 so much, this scene included.

>It was literally archieved the same way and is still sending something to the past (your consciousness). So it should work the same way.
Due to the nature of observation it does not work the same way. You have to enact your change in the past, but the problem is there is no method to enact that changes a date of death.
>Again, either your universe is determined or it isn't.
No, your universe is in an attractor field. That is all that is determined. Again; the laws of physics in Steins;Gate are not what you learned in school. There are no quantum mechanics. There is no relativity. There is not even spacetime fabric. The Attractor Field Theory of Time is the only truth.
>If convergent death is the problem then how comes him finding Kurisu's dead body was the fixed event rather than Kurisu's death itself?
Because he didn't find "a dead Kurisu", he found "an unmoving Kurisu lying in a pool of red stuff". If he took her pulse at that time and confirmed her to be dead, that would've been it, no method to save her whatsoever.

Is the date of death thing stated anywhere in the VN or are you just making shit up? Because if that was it then Okabe finding Kurisu's (seemingly) dead body wouldn't have been a fixed event since it doesn't involve a death.
I honestly feel like you're trying too hard to justify what's lazy writing - and never pretended to be good writing in the first place.

DaSH anime when

Convergence is an entirely unrelated function to determinism.

>Is the date of death thing stated anywhere in the VN or are you just making shit up?
It's referenced several times. Okabe himself is unable to die until the year 2025, even if he were to try.
>Because if that was it then Okabe finding Kurisu's (seemingly) dead body wouldn't have been a fixed event since it doesn't involve a death.
Okabe locating Kurisu's body and sending an inadvertent D-Mail to Daru was a catalytic event resulting from that observation. It couldn't be altered because to do so would create a grandfather paradox, and paradoxes are impossible.

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yes and the plot was designed with the rules in mind as shown throughout. when suzu explained them to okabe he proceeded to follow them. i dont see how that makes them nonsensical or arbitrary

you should just read the vn if youre so hung up on stuff since it goes into more detail

>It couldn't be altered because to do so would create a grandfather paradox, and paradoxes are impossible.
But then again every D mail they sent made a paradox. Every time only Okabe remembered sending the D mail, because it was never sent in this world line. I'm aware they're trying to justify that, but honestly that just amounts to them making more and more shit up to justify something that's very clearly inconsistent.

Not him but you really need to read the vn or watch it again,

Anonymous, the world lines previous all happened. There's no grandfather paradox because the world realigns in such a way to prevent it every time the new divergence is calculated.

>tfw offered a job at CERN but the pay was shit

probably
Last time I arm wrestled was against a power lifter on the floor while drunk at a party and it was a stalemate until my humerus snapped in half

>2009+11
>still no Noah translation

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Reddits;Gateway should only be watched for the hot characters

Damn hl

Hmm I could you could say... It was the choice of Steins Gate ™

At least you're right about the characters being sexy.

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Stein's gate was great, but c'mon people. Only newfags think it's a "legendary masterpiece" like Cowboy Bebop or Evangelion. It's literally baby's first time travel anime.

Also, the best part about SG was the trap.

I like how just one character made the story popular

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OH MY WATCH STOPPED WORKING

>posting 008 instead of 004

I found Noein to be better.

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I hated that. That and all the other anime only crap.

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Guess I'll die

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Lol source?

what anime is this?

It has the the only good anime dub.

the first 8 episodes before it turns dark are the best part

no

Doesn't matter, same should have happened about saving Mayuri

first half is amazing, second half is kind of a letdown but still pretty good