If you summoned Caster Irisviel and could support her mana-wise, could she provide you with an army of homunculi? Assuming you had the resources, time, and mana source?
Also some magi prolong their lives by switching bodies/repairing wearing by age but their souls decay over time. While the third magic can prevent that couldn't you just find a way to have your soul "skim" by the Root to prevent soul decay? In a manner of intentional reincarnation into a prepared new body?
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Prelati is doing something that his preventing his soul from dying
>Irisviel
What if you summoned this absolute Chad instead?
I know it is possible, I am wondering if my idea pans out lore wise. At least, in theory.
Because waifu.
But Fate is all about husbandos
>Yea Forums
>discussing fate lore
Them niggers here are to stupid and too much of an EOP to do that. Just got to boy's love or reddit for lore shit.
I disagree.
What gets me is why a Master would ever bother to show up to a fight. Your Servant is an epic hero, with a lifetime's experience of how to fight and kill people. There's literally no input you could give that could eclipse that.
I mean, let's say your Servant is Roland, the Paladin, who has lead massive armies before and killed hundreds of dudes with his magic sword. All you really need to tell him is "Saber, do what you do best. Here's a list of names." and then sit back and watch half the city explode in blasts of holy light. Nothing and no-one is going to stop him.
Meanwhile, if you're putting yourself out there, William Tell, Robin Hood, or David the King is going to kill you from half a city away with a single projectile and that's the end of you.
nu-Fate lore is garbage anyway.
>not liking Shinmen Musashi no Kami Fujiwara no Harunobu the Flower of Tengen, slayer of Olympians, and heroine extraordinaire
Enjoy your new strongest heroine in Fateverse.
>Gilgamesh
>Treasure troves of swords
>Can't do shit against Ishtar
>Musashi
>Kill Olympians with only her meme jap swords
Truly based.
I am gonna say something about Extella that goes against something stated in every other source.
She can't do shit against the one true GOD
Ideal Wife or Perfect Wife?
Fuck off, gook.
If you had a child with Medusa would that child be a demigod? Medusa is an Earth Goddess in fate lore, but a really minor one so does it count?
Because it's a chuuni anime series so bonds with your servant > tactical thinking. It's not like it hasn't been tried, Tokiyomi, KAria, Sakura, Zouken and Kotomine all hung back and let their servants do the heavy lifting, but they were all presented as being in the wrong for doing so and got beat. Arguably, that was the reason Gilgamesh turned on Tokiyomi, because he was so impersonal.
Servants can't bet pregnant unless they incarnate into human bodies, which probably costs them their divinity.
Would the kid have her eye power? Or maybe a lesser version.
Probably not because of how Mystic Eyes work and Medusa's being unique to her.
It's amazing that in a 15 year old franchise, we've yet to have a non-corrupted, no bullshit, normal grail war that actually has a conclusion where someone makes a wish.
Assuming you incarnated Tamamo, would she be a good mother to your kids? How would she react to being pregnant?
Tamamo has demonstrated being good with kids in the animated Learning With Manga segments. If you consider those canon in any capacity.
>good mother
She is a good wife and a wise mother
>how would she react
joy
Afaik technically yes, but I don't think gods can incarnate in the present era for (reasons).
she'd have to be incarnated as a human or something like it and thus the kid would be presumably mostly human
The problem is that an endless army of mooks wont' do you any good in a battle between servants. F/Zero Caster was barely keeping up until he summoned Cthulhu and he had an unlimited mana supply.
Mystic Eyes can be passed on similarly to a family's magical crest, but only three types can. Medusa's is a unique type that can't be passed on, as its tied to her legend. This is of course assuming that incarnating as a human doesn't get rid of her mystic eyes.
It would really depend on the servant/master team in question. Gilles and Ryonosuke both had zero plan and zero motivation besides causing havoc despite being the team that worked the best together, but Madea's skeleton soldiers were a problem for Saber and friends fairly consistently because she used them as a means to distract her enemy while she did magic.
I'd assume that she would keep them but not be able to pass them on unless you could convert them or her other abilities into a magic crest or something
I wasn't talking about a grail war. An by army I mean more a size. I want a security force, domestic servants, a core of magi to provide services/tasks I might needs. Basically can I start my own settlement with her?
>new strongest heroine
What in the actual fuck are you talking about.
Probably. But the einzberns could do that themselves without also being a cup
>but they were all presented as being in the wrong for doing so and got beat
Are you serious?
You'd ASSUME she would, but why would she? The Holy Grail could just as easily strip her of her abilities when it puts her into a human vessel since it has no reason to know to make her semi-divine. I can't remember, was Saber still in possession of her dragon mana in the ending where she got a human body?
Yeah, but I don't have those skills. Irisviel does.
Name a master who hung back who won.
I'm sorry, if they lose that means that the VN or LN was portraying them as being wrong?
If you don't get a Saber, Lancer or Archer odds are you're going to fucking lose because it's a massive scam.
Servants can't be summoned outside of a Grail War.
I mean, the first couple wars weren't even supposed to be actual fights, it was just a meme to hack their way to the root.
A master hanging back could win if their servant is OP (gil) but most of the masters are also combat experienced and so they fight each other. Killing the enemy master or disabling them is much safer than letting your lasersword heroic spirits fight and maybe lost/get wounded as well as expend a shit ton of mana.
name a master who won at all
I never said them losing wasn't a trite occurrence due to the nature of the writing, in fact I said the opposite. Bonds with servants > tactical thinking. It's just the type of story Fate is.
Not true. It is just crazy hard without a huge as fuck set up.
>name a master who won at all
He basically cheated, but he won so hard that it hurts.
If you as the wisher knew how to make her semi-divine you could. Maybe make her a demi-servant possessed by herself or something
Just nab some experienced Einzbern magus rather than the barely born cup lady. she was probably never trained to make them anyways
>Bonds with servants > tactical thinking
If you want to be an asshole about it, yes.
If you get a shit servant and he doesn't like you he can kill you and make a contract with another master.
Going back to the original point of "they hung back so they're bad people", are you crazy? In the VN they were portrayed as bad people BECAUSE they were, not because of their tactics.
>even summoning Karna would drain you like a husk in about ten seconds
I'm pretty sure I'd drop dead the instant he appeared bro
It's only been done once which was a barely functioning summon piggybacking off other shit and was even then considered a miracle. I'd call it the exception, not the rule.
>nu-fate
it all makes sense now
yes if you get a servant who is both powerful and not a raging cunt you will probably win unless you are a monumental fuckup or the enemy is equally broken and willing to fight seriously
Nnnn
Sakura wasn't even really in the war, she handed the reins to Shinji ASAP and only kept Medusa around as a bodyguard after Shinji got told to fuck off.
That said...
>Tokiomi
>Gil hated him
>Kariya
>Jets hated him
>Zouken
>Cursed Arm is too polite and formal to treat a Master with anything less than respect
>Kirei
>Cu hated him
Yeah, Servants seem to mostly hate that shit.
>Send your OP magic servant away from you
>Get assassinated by someone else's OP magic servant because you don't have yours around to protect you.
The safest place for a master (in most situations) is close by their servant. Sending them off alone is always a risk.
The Grail doesn't have the power to summon a Divine Spirit under normal conditions so it probably can't impart divinity onto a human incarnation of one.
>Kill Olympians with only her meme jap swords
>thinking that Musashit will be the big player on Olympus
Stand aside.
Fine, whoever won the first two wars then. Though those were considered to be more massacres than actual wars.
>Assuming you had the resources, time, and mana source?
All of those rolled into one? Pretty tall order, senpai.
>non-corrupted
Apocrypha
>no bullshit
Define bullshit
>actually has a conclusion where someone makes a wish
Apocrypha
Apocrypha matches that description, and was shit. Maybe we don't actually want what you say we're looking for.
>If you want to be an asshole about it, yes.
I guess I am, yeah. Point is that the people who hung back were bad people for doing so and portrayed as such. If you still have your butthole clenched over it, just assume that its because Servants hate it like said.
If you're talking about the Fuyuki GW I don't think those have ever been won.
Apocrypha was the bullshit one though because it was a "grand" war with a bunch of servants having to take two faction sides. It would have been what I wanted if it went the way it was supposed to, where one faction is destroyed and then the other faction has to fight it out to declare a winner, but they didn't.
What I mean is pretty simple, just a Grail War that's actually what it's advertised as; a magical battle royale where the winner gets a wish. No faction shittery, no Grail being corrupted and everything being pointless, no "actually all this happened inside the internet on the moon" shit. Just an urban fantasy war in a city of reasonable size with a (mostly) omnipontent wish granting cup as the prize.
Both the first and second GW had "winners" but that was before the rules were really set up and were considered small in scale. Then the Einzberns fucked it all up in the third war by summoning Angry Manjaw for a salty runback.
>If you summoned Caster Irisviel and could support her mana-wise, could she provide you with an army of homunculi? Assuming you had the resources, time, and mana source?
No. She was never shown to be involved with homunculi production at all. She was designed to be a vessel for the grail, and likely has little to no knowledge about creating homunculi. You'd want to summon Jubstacheit von Einzbern for that.
Unless, of course, you're referring to having passionate nakadashi sex with her and repeatedly impregnating her to produce offspring - in which case, yeah, that would probably work.
>and portrayed as such.
Two of those masters had bad servants, as in one was insane and the other one is the biggest asshole in existence, and the other two were a psychopath and a senile old man that had a worm rape dungeon.
I'm not so sure. Humans are evidently capable of being possessed by Divine Spirits, plus Medusa is like barely Divine at all. Obviously you wouldn't be able to incarnate her full power but you'd have more leeway I imagine than like with an actual god
Bad people summon bad servants, yeah.
Rin's father wasn't portrayed as a bad person as far as I remember, Kotomine didn't summon anyone and the other guy was literally set up to fail.
Humans being possessed by divine spirits is also because of the limitations of the Grail. Since it can't summon DS normally, a human host is used to sort of meet it half way so the whole thing doesn't collapse. The point being that, while the Grail has lots of power, Gods still have MORE power and it's too much for the grail to handle, so any wish to incarnate into a material body would probably leave you with a fairly normal human body.
FGO technically did have a grail war that ended with someone making a wish mainly solomon and the former head of chaldea though we never got to see it just hear about it from a third party
>the first two
don't count, they sucked and were incomplete and it was mostly the einzberns and friends trying to cheat their way to the root but failing to agree on exactly how
a master in the ideal grail war could stay back, but they run the risk of their servant losing or taking damage from some cheat noble phantasm like diarmuid's or getting stolen or any number of unknowns or a third servant offing them while their servant is away.
kiritsugu probably did it best by being close enough to his servant that he could be protected if need be, but still not in the actual fight like a pokemon trainer while he tried to snipe kayneth
Kotomine summoned Hassan of the Hundred Jobbers but they all died early so I can't blame you for forgetting about them.
And Tokiyomi was a nice enough guy, but he also sold his daughter to a family with a basement full of rape worms because he believed in Magus tradition so much instead of realizing that the Matou's were fucked without his help and just letting them rot. He was amoral at best.
>Both the first and second GW had "winners" but that was before the rules were really set up and were considered small in scale
Given how the purpose of the Fuyiki GW is to open a path to the Root and the only people who knew that were in cahoots, no one has one.
>Tokiomi
Fair
>Kariya
His biggest problem was that he thought that if he won, he would cuck Tokiomi magically whisk Rin and Sakura and their mom off into the sunset and live happily ever after. Kariya wasn't a bad man.
Yeah and that war was called a slaughter because Solomon was a Grand and was so retardedly overpowered compared to everyone else that it wasn't even a question who'd win.
You said the word "cheat" twice there, which is probably the best reason to be by your servant. In a war where every party is considered to be a cheater of the highest order who'd slit your throat while you slept, why would you ever put distance between your primary weapon and yourself. At the same time, masters are the ones meant to do the information gathering and decision making to direct their servants, the only ones being able to do otherwise being Archers with Independent Action.
>Kotomine summoned Hassan of the Hundred Jobbers but they all died early so I can't blame you for forgetting about them.
Oh yeah, those guys.
>He was amoral at best.
He was a "by the books" magus, you can consider that to make him an asshole if you want.
You should go listen to Tokiyomi's wife's rant at Karia again, it highlights pretty brutally why he's a selfish, obsessed manchild who's willing to step over his own brother just because he thinks he's correct. There's also the point of him strangling a woman to retardation to consider.
>Kotomine summoned Hassan of the Hundred Jobbers
Reminder that Hundred Personas is one of the shittiest Servants to like
>looks like a chick
>but is actually 98% male so you're a colossal fag if you want to grind your dick on "her" abs
>if you're a girl you're still a fag because 2% of her - including the lead persona - is female
>one persona is a little girl so you're a pedo either way
>one persona is literally "that dumb asshole friend nobody likes"
>THE LEAD PERSONA is a colossal hot-tempered bitch that holds petty grudges for months on end
Are there greater fags than Hundred Shitsona cucks?
>you can consider that to make him an asshole if you want.
I mean considering the other mages we've seen are Hotwheels, his crazy wife, and the epitome of a tsundere, I'd say that's a fair assessment. Mages are dicks.
>Mages are dicks
And water is wet, but their personalities don't really mean anything if they use a catalyst to summon their servant.
>Are there greater fags than Hundred Shitsona cucks?
Astolfofags.
why are so mean to schizos
>not robbing a local museum to get some presumably OP historical figure
still, imagine the disappointment if you stole something to summon julius caesar
The summoning is only part of the equation because summoning a servant you're compatible with is just as important as summoning a powerful one, that's why mages take such care in selecting their catalysts, at least the ones who aren't retards do.
>a way to have your soul "skim" by the Root
There doesn't seem to be a way to do this, it sounds like reaching the Root is like a rocketship that you have little to no control, of If you get anywhere close to the Root you are pretty much sucked in and somehow have unlimited power on the course the future.
Hey, for his rarity, Ceasar is an excellent servant.
Astolfofags can be straight if they are girls and not degenerate trapfags
There is literally no such thing as a heterosexual Hundred Shitsonafag - or a non-pedo Hundred Fagsonacuck, either
just get him as rider
yeah but if you had your pick of major figures from most time periods as you'd find in any large museum, you'd feel kinda cheated. wonder if they'll ever do augustus
That might not be an option if someone cucks you out of the rider slot before your summoning.
I think if anyone here were actually in a GW, they'd summon the servant they're most likely to get along with and then fuck off to another country for a month. They can return when everyone else is dead and everyone's guard is down.
>not participating in master shenanigans and watching cool battles
>literally everyone ITT summons Mandricardo
Oh boy...
>Mandricardo
what this guy deal?
He's 8man.
If I'm trying to win I summon an archer, hold up in the mountains, and wait for everyone else to start fighting. Then I arrow their heads off.
If I'm just trying to have a good time, I summon Blackbeard and we sail the seven seas looking for little girls to party with.
Is this hypothetical GW an actual GW? Because if it isn't having a good time should be your #1 priority.
Did someone say Fate?
That's why I offered two solutions. Real GW? Mountain sniping. Hypothetical one where anything goes? Leave town, come back after everyone is tired, clean up.
I gotta imagine there's some reason servants can't run away, though I can't think of any and I know in the 4th war Saber was summoned in germany and flown in
I'd just try for Tamamo and hope I can abuse the shit out of fox's wedding and her buff skills
Illya is a real live version of the joy emoji
would chloe be a good servant to summon even?
>budget redchad
She's a discount Redman, that's like a C+.
She's basically Loli Shero isn't she?
hey, who knows if there are servants that would like beating up middle aged men more than beating up a loli.
I feel like summoning Jets would be my best bet if I could maintain him and knew what to expect. His skills are tailor made for ambushes and 1v1 combat, which is what most grail war fights are built on anyway.
Are you a masochist?
If you summon Tamamo on Earth she gets a ton of bonus abilities. Like her Mirror, which can raise the dead (though I think it is more a copy of the person than a actual raising of the dead, but that is my personal theory based on how Death works in Fate.) and lets her spy on people.
If we're going by math, her NP hits like a mac truck, she just doesn't have much else to offer.
I feel like his complete insanity and inability to follow directions without a command seal is a pretty big hindrance. You could get Cursed arm Hassan who can literally oneshot servants and is not batshit
>he doesn't know
>delusional
why is musashi so strong bois. jubei never?
She's definitely an upper class servant, plus as caster she costs less mana than a saber or shit. She has a lot of utility skills even if she lacks a giant death laser
I'm taking part in a retarded grail ritual in this circumstance, so I guess. I just think that "turns anything into a weapon able to kill servants" would be pretty overpowered in the hands of someone who knew what they were doing, A machinegun could shred its way through a servant in an ambush and now something as simple as waiting out front of the enemy's house to Truck of Peace them becomes a viable strategy.
Musashi was introduced like two years ago, she's be no means "new".
This image confused me. I'm sure the shadow and light meant to portray something but I'm not sure what.
But Berserker is fine following orders so long as Saber isn't involved.
I was asking because last time I checked, summoning a Berserk inflicts a shitload of pain on the master.
>thinking any user aren't a shitter magus with shit mana
Bro, if you don't summon Casters you would be utterly fucked bro. Go summon this bird and get her to actually teach you something. And hope that Odysseus doesn't get summoned otherwise she'll probably stab you in the back.
>>delusional
Speedreader
Summoning any servant you don't have the mana reserves to maintain causes lots of pain, berserkers just have a really high draw. Karia was in pain partially because he was an unskilled magus and partially because the worms under his skin were the only way he was able to have the mana to feed berserker, but he was generally an outlying case. Illiya didn't have any problems with Hercules and Frankenstien's master didn't have any ill effects in his war.
Karia was just a dipstick.
>Not summoning the best caster and shit stomping through the whole war like your Gigantor.
it's meant to portray that tamamo is really, really, really pretty. and to add shading and nice visual effects. probably no real meaning
considering he's essentially incapable of speech most of the time, I think it's reasonable to doubt his mental stability. hard to say what might set him off, especially if the saber in the war is another round table knight
>Illiya didn't have any problems with Hercules
I think you might want to re-read the VN. Illya got used to the pain but she fucking felt it.
>it's meant to portray that tamamo is really, really, really pretty. and to add shading and nice visual effects. probably no real meaning
I was assuming it's a fox or a crown or something, but eh nice picture nonetheless.
Meant for
He's not even the best mecha servant.
>Illiya didn't have any problems with Hercules
Illya is also an Einzbern homunculus with shittons of mana and cheats out the ass, she is exceptional and not what you should be using for an example
>Frankenstien's master
Nothing happened to Caules because Fran herself was the exception; thanks to her Galvanism, she was a very economic Servant that could remain almost entirely self-sustained once kickstarted and shit out energy on her own.
I'm pretty sure that we're going by "this is my favorite servant" summoning method.
It's a stupid hypothetical, don't be a dick.
>considering he's essentially incapable of speech most of the time, I think it's reasonable to doubt his mental stability. hard to say what might set him off, especially if the saber in the war is another round table knight
Exactly why I said "if I know what to expect". Plus Lancelot's Arms Mastery lessens the effects of his madness enhancement to "not totally retarded" levels. He doesn't talk, but he's been demonstrated to be fully cognizant and aware, so I wouldn't call him insane.
>with shittons of mana and cheats out the ass
Read "if I could sustain him"
Otherwise Chiron and his 10 mile arrow snipes seems to be the best bet.
He's still a couple apples short of a pie
but all the same, even though he can take and use anything as a weapon that doesn't quite compare to having a death laser sword or other OP noble phantasm. Like I said earlier I'd take cursed arm hassan for 1v1ing servants or better yet assassinating masters
Assassins are terrible in direct combat, that's why they rely so much on ambushes and surprise. I'd lean on those tactics, but like to have someone who can actually holds his own in a fight for when things inevitably go tits up.
LIST OF SERVANT WITH CONFIRMED HGW WIN:
>SOLOMON
>ASTOLFO
>FIONN MCCOOL
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>I said earlier I'd take cursed arm hassan for 1v1ing servants
>using assassins for 1v1 combat
RedCHAD still has the higher count of HGW wins.
>that entire scene
At least he's aware enough to remember Gil from Zero and to raid his treasury just for shits and giggles
>I'd take cursed arm hassan for 1v1ing servants
Why? The only thing that he has is his NP, he sucks ass at everything else.
You get a servant that's faster or that can fuck him with an AoE attack and he's dead.
No wish, no victory, nigger
And I seriously hope you weren't trying to count HF when all that was left of him was a fucking arm
why do people not like/discount extra
You'd have to pay me to care about Fate outside the a couple of entries.
Last mand standing counts as a winner. He won in UBW and Extra.
Game without canon route doesn't count.
>He won in UBW
I like Redman, but come the fuck on.
>summon chloe
>just provide her with mana in lewd ways until I fade out
Kill me if you must, I have already achieved supreme victory.
Chaldea summoning system allows for servants to remember their past incarnations.
>canon route
>he still doesn't understand how the Nasuverse works
He did though, if the grail wasn't fucked he would have gotten a wish for being the last servant alive.
He got his wish though
>I'd take cursed arm hassan for 1v1ing servants
Yeah, because that worked so well for him. Remember the time Rider sent him bouncing down the temple steps with basically no effort?
Technically he won in Prisma too so make that three.
LIST OF MASTER WITH CONFIRMED HGW WIN (THAT ACTUALLY GOT WHAT THEY WISHED FOR + A HAPPY ENDING):
>Marisbury
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Which lore? Post FGO Fate has no lore, you can do literally whatever the fuck you want, it's one endless Carnival Phantasm but without humor.
Even if we put aside the bullshit that is him surviving until the very end you can't say "if we ignore the grail" because that's a major fucking part of the story.
Rin won in UBW and her servant was Saber.
Tamamo is a cheat Servant but due to her trauma, she refuses to use her best skills. I would still summon her because waifu.
Can Beowulf beat berserker Lancelot?
omae wa mo zabaniya is a pretty good ability. obviously you'd want an actual servant class like saber or caster but between berserker and assassin joke classes you'd probably have better luck bushwacking people and being a pussy than running out of mana
I mean, he also killed Caster and Lancer and almost Saber
Pretty fine, I guess. He was a dickhead, but his wish was basically just to make the Justice League so we could be protected from aliens. I can't really find fault with that.
I wish he was a better father.
I would love the shit out of her until she used them
>he also killed Caster
The one time that he acted like an assassin.
>Lancer
Manjew did the heavy lifting, if it weren't for him Hassan would've gotten Gay Bulge'd.
>Saber
Manjew again.
He is the one inviting them aliens to come nigga.
Shut up Olga.
>he also killed Caster and Lancer and almost Saber
You mean the shadow did while he got his ass kicked. He only beat Caster by actually acting like an assassin.
Probably not because Knight of Owner is bullshit of the highest order and Lancelot has no aspect of him that Beowulf can take advantage of like being partially a dragon or some other magical beast. Ultimately it'd come down to a crazed homeless warrior vs a knight who's so experienced in sword fighting that he can beat the best of the best at the Round Table who ALSO can take any weapon and kill Beowulf with it.
Due to his actions, the ayys are getting thrown off our planet until they get green cards. Sounds like a perfect wish to me.
That description makes Lancelot sound like a HUGE Donut Steel.
Miyuverse Shirou is the coolest
He is a Donut Steel for the Arthurian legend so it fits.
I wonder if the ayys Chaldea are currently facing and the ayys that the Foreigners are contracted to are the same (or related). Such a neat concept that got way too underutilised.
That's literally what he was in the original myths. In Zero he was just designed to be THE premier 1v1 hand to hand servant, and the only way you can do that with Gilgamesh around is being able to steal his shit like Shirou did.
>Caster
lolno
In the VN, he killed Kuzuki. Caster suicided into Saber minutes later because she gave up on living. In the movie, he did kill Caster - through abusing a hostage situation, not a 1v1.
>Lancer
No, he ran around and prayed for the Shadow to show up at the right time, then hit Cu with the Zabazinga
>Saber
Saber was holding him off just fine until she got raped by the mud
>Cursed Jobber's 1v1 record
>Medusa
Got punted out a building and down a stairway
>Kirei (a fucking human)
Tried to pull his Zabazinga bullshit, failed, and then got his ass kicked
I know but I doubt that was the intention.
I believe the ayys are literal ayys come to do ayy things while the Foreigners are contracted tou Outer Gods which are ayys that exist outside the universe.
He's still basically the only servant who scored legit kills in the 5th war. Lancer otherwise gets offed by Kotomine, Herc and Caster by Gil, Rider by Caster as another legit kill.
Obviously if you get assassin (or berserker) you're kinda screwed in most cases but Hassan cursed arm is probably the best chance
>tfw no homunculi gf to teach and learn love from
Piracy is not theft
Actual ayys are pretty lame. Outer Gods are kakkoii.
I love Musashi but her singularity was boring shit, not even her personality could salvage that.
>not liking Samurai shit
I hope you don't think Salem is better.
Lancelot in Fate is generally much more down to Earth than he comes off as. He's the best sword fighter by far, yes, but he's also a terrible father and has a problem where he fucks around too much and people think he's weird. Then he suffers after Saber dies and turns into a beast. Berserkerlot is just him without all the extra fluff and reduced to a screaming suit of armor that only knows how to fight.
>He's still basically the only servant who scored legit kills in the 5th war
>Fate
Saber kills Rider
Saber kills Berserk
Berserk kills Redman
Gil kills Caster
Gil kills Lancer
Saber kills Assassin
Saber kills Gil
I can keep going if you want.
Are you retarded, the Singularity was shit but Musashi herself was easily the most insufferable part about it
All I can say about her is "nice rack"
I know how he is, my point was that I doubt that the Butcher made Lancelot that overpowered with the intention of it being parallel to his Donut Steel in Arthurian legends.
But can Lancelot trade blows with Beowulf when he uses Grendel Buster?
>Grendel Buster: Primal Conflict
Rank: A+
Type: Anti-Personnel
>A special Noble Phantasm that is banned from being used, but its ban can be lifted with the destruction of Hrunting and Naegling. The concept of bringing down Grendel becoming a Noble Phantasm. This Noble Phantasm temporarily restores the amazing physical strength he had during his lifetime, before he crushes the target from right in front of them by throwing, kicking and punching them. In addition, because these attacks are the same primitive form of weaponry (one’s own limbs) that has been unchanged since the primeval times, it negates Noble Phantasms and Skills that possess the characteristic of “grasping and perceiving every attack after seeing them used once.”
>gil
He wasn't even supposed to be in that war, totally doesn't count
>saber coked up on black tar mana
ehhhhhh
Salem is okay at times, the executions and Abby were the highlights, everything else was bad, the stories, the rushed ending, some characters go nowhere and the half lvl bullshit.
Most singularities are mediocre so its no surprise.
>Saber kills Rider
Getting gimped with Shinji for a master isn't legit
>Saber kills Berserk
Redman shaved off a bunch of his lives retard
>Berserk kills Redman
Okay fair
>Gil kills Caster
That wasn't legit that was a bullshit surprise attack when she was already dealing with somebody else
>Gil kills Lancer
We never saw it but okay
>Saber kills Assassin
WOW HOLY SHIT SHE BEAT AN ALREADY DYING FAKE SPIRIT WITH A BENT SWORD SASUGA SABER GREAT FUCKING JOB YOU LITTLE BITCH
>Saber kills Gil
Avalon isn't legit
>We never saw it but okay
how does this not apply to
>Berserk kills Redman
Butcher did everything possible to nerf Saber, including buffing meme Servants like Diarmuid. Making a famous hero like Lancelot comparable to Saber shouldn't amaze you.
I'm sorry, but what the fuck do you even count as a fair kill? Assassin is the very fucking definition of unfairness and you're fucking pulling this shit?
I think it works considering the circumstances. The previous Berserker was a rampaging muscle monster, something different would be needed.
Again, not my point.
>this cope
not that user, but I was saying before that he got the only legit kill in killing caster without involving gil or the mud or other irregularities. Obviously lancer was jobbed by the angry manjew in the swamp and saber was fighting it too but those are secondary
Lancelot traded blows with Excalibur using half a lamp post. He can probably trade blows with that.
Then to elaborate: no, it probably wasn't intentional as his intention was to shit on Artoria.
We saw the Interlude with Illya shitting herself over Redman robbing Berserker of as many lives as he did and Berserker himself recalling how it happened it was bacisally second-hand sight
No magic gimmicks no winning because your opponent has a dogshit master no picking off a weakened opponent (cough cough HERCULES)
Assassin doesn't use bullshit cheats and fights Servants with decent masters to his credit
I'm not complaining about it, it's just that the description that user used made me realize that he still sounds like a character made in fanfics.
Saber had a gimped master for 2/3 of the entire VN.
>Assassin doesn't use bullshit cheats
The Shadow is the fucking prime example that you can use as bullshit cheats.
the no dogshit master one is kinda hard for the 5th war considering you had more than a couple of highschoolers with minimal magic experience
in a clean HGW with no bullshit mud or leftover broken servants like gil and where everyone is biologically functional with hearts (kotomine) assassin still would've killed/defeated caster and probably could've bagged at least one more
>shitting herself
She was angry that a no-name shithead like EMIYA was able to kill motherfucking Herc eight times or however many times it was.
Being fair, every Fate character sounds like they're made in fanfics.
>"She's an immortally young and insanely powerful knight who espouses the ethics of chivalry and honor...because she's secretly King Arthur who was a girl!"
>"He's the worlds first hero and nobody can beat him EVER, he has all the money, all the weapons, and is a huge jerk to everyone he considers beneath him. Also his sword can destroy the world."
>He's a demi-god conquering king who's so charismatic and cool that people surrender to him just to be a part of his army! His ultimate attack IS his army from across space and time! He's so cool that even Gilgamesh respects him and he turned his master gay!"
You see what I mean.
I haven't played FGO and this picture seems like schizophrenic nonsense.
I have and it is schizophrenic nonsense
No one talks about the Shimousa singularity for a reason.
We are dealing with characters who are more myth than legend and sometimes semi or full blown gods, it is to be expected.
Again I'm not complaining about it, it's just that the exaggerated or simplified explanation made me laugh at the similarities.
i mean iskandar's noble phantasm makes sense. he wasn't really that great of a military commander, it was more just that his army was extremely skilled; his cavalry (literally the hetairoi from the name of the phantasm) was essentially the only one of its kind
It doesn't get any better with context.
It's popular in japan and I thought it was by far the best EoR. Decidedly more talked about than the others.
>Also his sword can destroy the world."
This wasn't established until after Nasu turned Fate into a funhouse mirror distortion of what it originally was.
>because she's secretly King Arthur who was a girl!
This was done way better than most people give it credit for. It was also done before they knew it would be such a catchy idea in the anime community. Of course to use now it doesn't seem like that interesting of an idea, but if you look back at when it was done it was pretty new and dare I say "ground-breaking".
>turned his master gay!
>implying Waver wasn't gay from the beginning
If it makes it go down easier, consider that Berserkerlot was summoned per Zouken's exacting specifications and probably had his unique combination of skills specifically to allow him to either overpower enemy servants or bleed Karia dry.
>It's popular in japan
Two reason for that: It's set in Japan or the Japanese shit taste struck again.
Shimosa was cool not because of Mushashi though, she's probably the worst part about it
>Japanese shit taste struck again.
Their taste is literally the only taste that matters. Just lean into it you filthy casual and embrace the weaboo culture
Maybe nip taste would improve if they were regularly bombarded with Ken-sama tier cringe.
>Just lean into it you filthy casual
If I were a casual I would consider the word from the Japanese to be law, instead of calling them out on their shit taste like they deserve.
>embrace the weaboo culture
I'd rather not be associated with the hordes of retards that spew this bullshit.
>Ken-sama tier cringe
They're too busy being free from SJW garbage like feminism and dumb bullshit like that. Honestly weebs trash on nip-anime-culture but they don't understand how based it still is.
>If I were a casual I would consider the word from the Japanese to be law
It's not law, they just so happen to be on average smarter than most ameri-mutts
Don't start with this shit.
>look, just go along with their shitty taste or else you're wrong
user look at yourself, they literally have the worst taste possible for nearly everything
I can go until the mods ban me for being based. I'm drunk and probably gonna die from corona-chan. I just want to prove a fucking point.
Cool, they make the fucking artform just deal with it. Is it anywhere as bad as western shit that we have these days? If you want to enjoy more anime, just let them explore what they want. It's good shit so far.
imagine thinking people are complaining about there not being SJW shit rather than the C- tier writing of most popular shows and constant pandering to the latest isekai or whatever trend
>Honestly weebs trash on nip-anime-culture
Do you fucking realize what you've just said? Do you even know what weeaboo means?
Anime has always had this weird level of escapism and it's fine for it to be stupid sometimes. As long as some kino shows come out from time to time it doesn't matter.
4channel's Fate fanbase is schizophrenic and insufferable.
Only reddit hates Shimousa. You can hate Musashi all you want, but Shimousa is the kinoest EoR. The fact that reddit hate it so much yet jerk over Salem prove that Japs have much better taste than dumb gajins.
You should go back.
Congratulations user! You and your servant of choice have won the Holy Grail War and get to make your wish on an uncorrputed grail! No Monkey's Paw risk here, just one wish!
The single rule? Your wish HAS to be funny. You cannot make a non-funny wish.
What do you wish for?
>"I wish for Gilgamesh to have to continually eat pine-cones every time he is summoned in the future."
Yeah a weeb sucks the cock of the japanese, who have retained cultural and ethnic identity more so than most western cultures have and thus it means their artform matters more because it isn't as tainted. If only western art could have retained it's on purity and natural-direction.
>*retained it's own purity
it's inevitable for there to be some trash, but it's hardly crazy for me to want there to be more good shit and less bad shit and to consider the nips a little stupid for preferring battle harem #31 over the good shit
I wish for Artoria to shove her feet into my mouth for eternity while I beg for air.
no point of wishing if I can't get tamamo physical incarnation. I reject the wish and use the grail as a coffee cup
>battle harem #31
We haven't had that sort of anime in a long time.
What I'm saying is embrace the badshit because mindless escapism is nice from time to time.
>we havent had that kind of anime in a long time
user, I.....
Wish denied for being barely hidden fetish shit! You get turned into a head in a jar and left in the closet!
Ah, the Drake method, very good. You pass! Enjoy your sippy cup!
I want a fireman Nobu
>being barely hidden fetish shit
Why would I hide this? I want to sniff her feet more than I would want to breath at any given second.
Explain how your wish is funny!
Your wish just isn't! You fail!
Works for me! More Nobu is always good!
I don't care if my wish is funny. I just want to sniff her feet. If it kills me I would still make that wish a reality. My king has cute princess feet.
The holy grail says you're a faggot and your fetish is lame!
My fetish is based, nerd. All women have feet that must be pampered.
I wish for EMIYA's and Cu's Saint graph to become linked in such a way that if one is summoned then the other is as well tied to the same master and contract.
They are also forbidden from killing each other.
>Fate Lore
I feel sorry for the earth spirit bros, homicidal as they are. It's like if Captain Planet lost his job to a team of Bernard Shaw, Mark Anthony, and Vasily Zaitzev.
The film industry never left West Orange, New Jersey.
How much autonomy do servants in Chaldea even have? Do they even life there? Are they walking around doing stuff all the time or in spirit form? Will they be friends with each other if they're compatible? It's clear every servants wants to jump (you) but are they screwing each other off camera? Surely at least a few of them have to have coupled up.
Post that shit in your general, not here.
No, This is a Fate lore thread and it's a lore question.
Medb wants to fuck his OC version of Cu but she made him battle autistic so he doesn't care
Shuten keeps trying to fuck Kintoki but he has the mind of a kid so he doesn't want to
Fergus probably fucks every slut in Chaldea
Orion tries to hit on everyone but always ends badly, he won't try to hit on Mashu because he's a bro.
Well yeah. I mean Romani is just a normal human or all intents and purposes.
Every female seems to treat Fergus as an annoyance but he has to have some luck just through sheer volume. He and Drake seem like they get on.
1. Plenty. Almost too much. Some of the more villainous ones often stir up trouble.
2. Somewhat. A quarter of the way through the first "season" of FGO, over a dozen of them go stir crazy from having to live in Chaldea's modern/minimalist lodgings (to be fair, everyone has the same-sized rooms) and are tricked into living in the zombie apartment from one of the only three KnK movies people remember.
3. They mostly just walk around whenever they do stuff. Sometimes they rent the Rayshift tech to have short adventures outside of Chaldea or use the Simulator to train in virtual space.
4. Yes. Friendships often form. Sometimes very odd ones.
5. Some Servants are super promiscuous but it's never made clear if any actual rutting is going down.
Fergus definitely fucked some slut servants or maybe the chaldea staffs?
Chaldea is pretty much 24/7 fuckpads like those olympic villages. There are some exception though, like those very religious servants or those dark edgy servants or dorks.
Servants that doesn't fuck:
>Mandy
>Dantes
>OG Jannu
Eh, I'd say that only a small number of them fucks around, namely Fergus and Medb, and even these two do not fornicate unconditionally with just anyone. Gudao's/Gudako's waifus and husbandos keep themselves pure while Servants like Artoria who has a different love interest (Shirou) doesn't participate with anyone.
Servants like Tristan and Lancelot are quite popular with the Chaldea staff it is ambiguous if they are fooling around or not.
Medb it's there
i wish for all future grail wars to end with all masters and servants realising the true grail was the friends they made along the way
I wish for caliburn to be upgraded to a S+++ rank noble phantasm but only when projected by emiya shirou, thus fixing the main plothole in FSN
>the ayys are literal ayys come to do ayy things
how could you think that the "Alien God" isn't Malice-Billy or doesn't have any connections to the Animusphere at this point
What plothole?
Roland's a horrible example for your argument against Masters. His head's a mess of nigh-suicidal loyalty towards his uncle (which got him killed in The Song of Roland) and stupendous guilt for having betrayed him (during Orlando Furioso) to chase some girl he thought needed rescuing only to find out that she wanted nothing to do with him, indirectly resulting in the deaths of three of his friends (Brandimart, Zerbino, and Isabel).
He's one of the few Servants who would absolutely need a Master to help him keep his act together as a sidekick lest he go FURIOSO and resume beating people to death with horse corpses.
I wish fate had a chronological release date and could be accessible without 100+ hours. Just kidding I wish Everytime Artoria was summoned Mordred was also summoned.
Projected caliburn one-shotting herc despite being a significantly weaker NP than excalbur.
>Mandricardo's love interest, Doralice, immediately tried to hump the bloodied and dying Ruggiero after he killed Mandricardo in a rather pointless duel that Mandy initiated
I can see why his views on romance have soured.
This
It's not a one-shot if someone else had left Herc at half HP before getting discount Excalibah'd.
I wish to reach the root while laughing at how easy it was.
How does the Grail choose Masters anyway? Some folks seem to know who it'll pick while others say it's up to chance.
it doesnt matter how much HP herc has, God Hand makes him immune to all weapons below A rank. Caliburn is B rank, and thats not to even mention the rank degradation associated with projecting weapons instead of using the real thing.
Herc is a joke. He couldn't even fight his way out of Atlantis on his home turf where he is supposedly at his strongest.
>God Hand makes him immune to all weapons below A rank
I'm pretty sure it was B rank or lower.
>God Hand makes him immune to all weapons below A rank
I searched this shit before replying, Godhand blocks B or less and Caliburn can be A+ or some shit so if we use that as the base the projection would be B+.
>culture spheres are literally just blood and soil
bretty based
FGO actually retconned this because of how option it gets brought up, they added a line that says Caliburn becomes A+ rank when wielded by a true king. Also it doesn't suffer degradation from being projected because the projection comes from shirou seeing the real thing fully realized via artoria's dreams, rather than some historical record of its existance and properties, and thus the projected version is almost identical to the real thing.
>Also it doesn't suffer degradation from being projected because the projection comes from shirou seeing the real thing fully realized via artoria's dreams
Isn't that similar to the thing that they did with Rin's crystal sword?
Summoned the wrong Lancer, he did.
I wish to be surrounded by cute female servants who love me deeply. It would be really funny because I would be distracted often.
Nobody would give a shit about Musashi if she didn't manage to have the biggest rack in the game that didn't just outright cross into uncanny valley.
I wish that Mordred's feet were cursed so that every time she takes a step, they make a loud quacking sound.
>could she provide you with an army of homunculi? Assuming you had the resources, time, and mana source?
By "resources, time, and mana" you mean "repeatedly make love and impregnate" correct?
3rd magic is pretty weak and only impressive from "scientific" standpoint.
Yeah "true" immortality of soul but no way anyone will be same after 1000 years.
After 1000 years no one will care who he was thousands years ago. DA immortality is more simple.
>After 1000 years no one will care who he was thousands years ago
I'm sure you've interviewed a number of immortal individuals to reach this conclusion.
These reddit """"""comic"""""" is so cringe.
Why is joan of arc considered a heroic spirit?
She was a just french schizo whore
I want to hold her and whisper in her ear, "Everything will work out," while RAILING HER HARDCORE.
Ask your grandma or grandpa. Look at old people. Look at yourself. You're not same 14 yo cringelord you was X years before. People forget their childhood and events of past even if it was 1-2 years ago. After 1000 year you will not remember anything. Its basically ~12 human lives.
Not remembering and not caring are two very different things.
I haven't felt humor in years, though, because of how hopeless I feel. There's a reason I'd need grail-level magic to fix my life. This wish is useless to me.
When you don't care about something you will forget it. Like school program, unless it's part of your hobby or job. So what's difference between 1000 years of immortality with 3rd magic and 1000 year of immortality with DA mambo jambo?
I want cunny
Shiki can kill servants
>When you don't care about something you will forget it
Again, forgetting shit because of old age or because you're focused on learning new shit doesn't mean that you don't care.
>So what's difference between 1000 years of immortality with 3rd magic and 1000 year of immortality with DA mambo jambo?
And the only way to confirm that you're "still same" after 1000 years is to ask other 1000 years old bros. However this is not possible and other 1000 years bros can't escape decaying of soul so they can't confirm it. The only source is yourself, and this is nonsense. Like madman who can't notice his madness. DA after 1000 year will think he's same because he's not same anymore. Both DA and 3rd magic user can said "they're same" even if it's not true.
pretty sure zouken's soul was rotting, that's what the third magic was supposed to be for
it was, nasu even explicitly said that zouken dies of soul rot not long after the plot ends in the fate and UBW routes
why, my peenus weanus of course :)
hahah! :D
it's my weeeeeenus peanus :) hahah
What do you wish for - my answer is, of course, my peanus weenus :D
hahaha!
What a FAT ass
I REALLY LOVE TAMAMO!
would you rather summon your waifu or a guaranteed win servant like solomon?
I'd wish to become an eternal loli and spend my time servicing all the thirsty and lonely anons.
I wish for a Lostbelt where everyone is a Saberface.
that's just normal fate though
>fate
>lore, consistency, plot, rules, logic
Pick one.
Even Twice with Buddha was BTFO by waifufag. Power of love > power levels.
The dress of heaven outfit really does things to me.
None of the canonical routes in extra involve directly winning a fight with saver. They all just revolve around ganking twice or convincing him to be a good guy, tamamo would never have beat buddha in a 1v1
Doesn't matter. In the end help of Saver amounted to nothing, Twice is dead and Hakuno is king of the moon.
i still have no idea how the fifth magic works
So what happened to Sakura? Did she die or did Shinji bless her with lots of annoying little kids and they lived happily ever after.
Extra kinda?
The dude at end was just ganking anyone who won the war before they made a wish
I mean Kirei was the strongest master if you ignore Shirou's buffs
kirei was pretty much the only "real" master in the war, as in had significant experience as a magus and in combat. anyone from the 4th war prolly would've wiped the floor as well as he did
I miss HotWheels, man was entertaining and more human than we give credit considering he ordered his servant to kill himself to protect his lover before getting offed.
Too bad Shirou summoned Saber and Kirei Cu because it would have been fun to see Kirei and Gil win
i think he said she moves away or something, desu i think it was something nasu came up with to dismiss the idea that sakura was just going to be rapeworm'd forever while shirou and rin ignore her after the plots of the other two routes
Could Solomon beat Gil?
- Your servant is better kept on short leash because weird or stupid
- You want to deploy command spell during combat
- Your own combat capacity can actually affect fight outcome
- Your servant will get salty if you do nothing while they fight
Apocrypha actually explored that: sending your servants away to fight left the master open for Assassins to kill him. Fighting right beside your servant increased your risk of getting caught in collateral damage or in the battle, but it was overall safer than risking a sure death at the hands of Assassins.
Likewise, after a certain distance the mana parthway doesn’t work, so your servant will lack a mana supply, the closer you are the more mana he will have available, so unless your servant has Independent Action that isn’t a viable strategy.
FGO further notes that distance impacts on the overall strength of the servant, with Fuuma noting that fighting away from the master hampers him, fighting closer empowers him.
solomon snaps his fingers, and gil would cease to exist.
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as for me i would summon jeanne, and have lots and lots of sex with her
Jeanne looks like someone that enjoys anal
She would probably be a fantastic mother. As long as you don't have a issue with the fact that anybody that bothers your kid will end up very dead.
At least there are no kingfuckers he-
Imagine the potential for a orgy though.
I want to be permanently bonded to Tamamo. Imagine her having to spend her new life with somebody that doesn't want to have children, has no interest in sex, and doesn't even want to get married.
Servants in Chaldea have plenty of autonomy. Depending on how seriously you take the sillier events, enough even to stir up trouble now and then.
As for if they are fucking. It's hard to say, some do seem interested at least (Like Caesar and Cleopatra). But the only one that are shown having a active interest in sex is Fergus, whose entire interlude involves him failing miserably to get some
>Servants like Tristan and Lancelot are quite popular with the Chaldea staff it is ambiguous if they are fooling around or not.
Lancelot at least would only fuck married woman.
>Kiritusugu didn't give up his ideals for this
Dumbass...
I would rather have Solomon. But that's mostly because he's a really chill and fun dude to hang out with once he becomes human.
She's Illya if she went Archer instead of Caster.
that always bothered me though, I thought you couldn't summon grand servants
I thought everytime they returned to the Throne of Heroes, they got a rundown on what their clone did?
I love my director!
Reminder that she died a virgin.
>+ A HAPPY ENDING
dunno if its cannon in fgo but in the babylonia anime he kills himself
salem was far better
Salem is only good because you want to fuck Abi.
Mordred and Artoria solve their issues in a SoL high school manga.
no I'm no a pedo
but the atmosphere of the witch trials and mystery was great. it had weak parts like the plays but was overall very enjoyable
Oh sweet Jesus
Why didn't Kariya just use Lancelot to kill Zouken? Zouken's powerful, but bot Servant-tier, right?
it's said he could potentially dfeat one
there's no way he'd beat lancelot but kariya might not last and it's hard to completely kill zouken
Still mad anglo?
You burn the time the universe has left to power yourself. Each time you use it the Heatdeath happens quicker.
As long as the punk died screaming, I wouldn't care. Gotta love the foxwife!
I mean I would if she offered.
Would any of the Knights of the Round turn down the kin if she commanded them to pin her on the bed and fuck her brains out?
Something about the FGO's Fuyuki Grail is different though
Tamamo with all her tails would have.
i thought it had something to do with displacing time as a side effect
>we'll never get the braless version as playable
it hurts
Prelati's method probably doesn't involve the soul to begin with, since the HS version only died once and has no memory beyond that.
"Grand" isn't a designation, it's a system of summoning. Fuyuki's grail can't create class containers strong enough to hold the full power of a "Grand" servant, but it can still summon them.
Remember, these shades are fractions of their original power. They only reflect an aspect of their entire being.
>tries to use GoB
>gets unsummoned in the blink of an eye
so much for your AUO hahahahaha
>not wanting to marry and impregnate tamamo
you disgust me, you're lower than dirt user
Why is Arcueid there? I didnt think a Tsukihime event was a thing in FGO.
AND Illya.
There was, I think
Irisviel Dress of Heaven is just a healer.
She's not a Servant though?
>Because waifu.
Of Kiritsugu, you mean? Whom she loves no matter what across time and space.
FGO Backstory with Marisbury Animusphere and Solomon, unless you count summoning Solomon as cheating.
>nu fate
Fuck off.
Marisbilly was protactive, he killed the masters too. It was a good team because they wiped out the competition without any retarded "let's be friends" speech. Just a good old focused battle royale.
Remember when Fate treated japan as a joke lorewise? I kinda miss it.
I was doubting before, but leaning on yes. After Atlantis, the Person of Chaldea (who is Solomon-something - we don't know what yet, but is gonna be nu Solomon, and a good thing to gauge his power, even if it shouldn't be as high as the past) with a single ring he could stop Kirsch's attack on par or greater than LB Artemis anti planet beam makes him the real deal.
Still eyecandy.
Solomon possessed a Grand Saint Graph on his corpse, it's natural on him.
It still is if you're not a dipstick.
Zouken controls the worms inside Kariya. He could try, but then Zouken will just run away and send the worms into overdrive and Kariya will die before anything actually happens.
Solomon was summoned outside of the actual Fuyuki Grail War's system, IIRC. He's basically Gilgamesh, an eighth servant that shouldn't exist.
how feasible would it be to come to an understanding with Nightingale in a HGW?
she just believes she needs to keep everyone safe from sickness no matter the cost
how much convincing would you need to do to make her fight in the war?
and how much convincing would I need for her to mana transfer with me?
Are you a doctor specifically a surgeon? Because she holds them in pretty high esteem, just say the HGW would hurt a lot of people and you want to limit the damages, pretty much treat her like Shirou.
If you have shitty circuits you could probably convince her to mana transfer, nevermind her whole thing is she pretends magic doesn't exist so she wouldn't buy it even if she was fading away. I dunno user, command seals?
mana transfer? probably not much, as long as there's a medical reason
getting her to not kill you to prevent you from getting sick? probably impossible
Just feed lancelot a bunch of flamers.
Enough fire does solve everything.
>he kills himself
Dude seriously? He killed himself just like how Epstein kill himself.
Japwank is the best part of nuFate.
Why didn't Kariya just tell Kerry or Iskandar or one of the more moral servants that there was a girl in a rape-pit at this address and watch as they burnt Zouken's house down?
Because Kariya doesn't really want to save Sakura as much as he wants to get in Aoi's pants. This does happen in the Fate/Zero event in FGO after Waver instigates it, IIRC.
No it's one of the worst it just dumb pandering Nasu is a complete sellout
That sounds like more of a compatibility thing than a powerlevel thing since Solomon was the father of magecraft and Kirshtaria's attack is a giant magecraft construction
I mean Lev was going to either kill him or somehow try to coerce him into helping him and Goetia, so he just chose to go out on his own terms, either way he was going to die but at least he knew that Chaldea was going to prosper.
Solomon can control all magecraft with the ten rings, Chaldea Guy still deflected Kirsch with ONE ring and the description about him is that he could destroy all around him but didn't.
Compatibility would fuck any Servant vs Solomon if that's your argument.
>aliens
There aren't aliens idiot, it's his grand order.
NAfags are dense.
The God of Another Planet isn't an alien, it's a system.
Just a reminder that Tamamo is a treasure and should be adored.
Chaldea is facing Chaldea (Malice or Romance Chaldea, I guess). The "ayys" so far are a misdirection which Holmes is unraveling because he realized the tree energy isn't for an alien invasion or anything like that. And the tree themes and all the underlying hint is Astromancy, the animusphere magecraft older than the ages of gods which can control the universe if you're under certain cosmos. Tha't's why you see magic circuits flashing on the sky when you log in (like you used to see the inciniration halo, it's a hint about this magic bullshit): it's because that magecraft turns everything into your magic circuits, including planets. Kirsch questions the existence of a "God of Another Planet" (note that they never say "alien" here), since nobody interacted with it and there has been hints the real LAPLACE might become a Beast of Calamity (Maxwell Demon who is a failed Laplace dropped some hints - Chaldea managed to create LAPLACE, it was the first system Marisbury made to observe and record all humanity). You know mages and grand orders and systems (plus Kirsch says gods are mere "systems"). The question is now is who becomes the "God" or Beast VII, and if Marisbilly willingly make this, was just a fuck up, or he's mind controlled by some legacy from his bloodline (his grand order). Since Moonlight Lostroom which introduced this has the Animusphere grand order on focal point. With hints that Olga is connected to "Specimen E" leftovers.
The Foreigners are unimportant plot wise, and used to introduced edgy waifubaits that have 0 impact plot wise. They are just ambiguous existences, that are from fiction and superstition. But if you wanna know, Abigail (in her interlude) and BB/Nyarly both state they can't face the upcoming threat (before Lostbelt chronologically). Abigail says even if she becomes an Evil God, and stops being a Foreigner, she can't do anything about it.
She's nuts.
Yeah, but as long as you treat her well she'll gobble your nuts 24/7
What happens to servants when they die after being summoned?
Let's see...
>Kariya is an arrogant git who while he does wants to save Sakura because it is the right thing, he hopes it will get him to finally score with Aoi
>He doesn't know enough info to see if any of the other Masters would be willing to aid him instead of just killing him, something Kiritsugu would glady do once Gil gets killed.
Servants are copy manifested of records of Heroic Spirits in the Throne (not always but most of the time). In Fuyuki Grail war, they are turned into plain mana to use to fuel the Great Grail as sacrifices to fulfill those wishes.
The events that happened to them if important (up to TM decision which is NEVER consistent) may be recorded in the Throne to upgrade the data there.
how do fate fans feel about hollow ataraxia? I finished the main story and am finishing up the leat few scenes to reach 100% now, while a lot of scenes were incredibly boring and I wouldnt have minded missing, but the good scenes were really great, and I even enjoyed a lot of the sappy harem fluff
It's almost definitely a more refined version of Roa's immortality, where he overwrites a soul with his own via root fuckery.
I like the cut of your jib user, but I don't see anyone but me treasuring her in the /c/ thread
ha was kino(except for parts concerning makidera and her goons, they're annoying)
What amuses me the most about these big images of all the Servants is the realisation that the amount of magical firepower available and visible in the image is utterly obscene. They could destroy civilisation themselves, like walking magic super weapons.
You say refined, I say cheap knockoff. Without the soul, it's literally a pale imitation of the self.
Why would you think this is a good thing
The records in the throne aren't necessarily the soul. Enkidu's soul got destroyed, for example.
Probably. Gilgamesh may be too arrogant to use the full breadth of what he has. He won't go all out, and he also won't use his EX ranked Clairvoyance. In FGO it's actually said in Gil's interlude that he's just fucking around and watching/observing the struggles of the Master approvingly, he doesn't actually devote his full strength to it. If they were both just ordinary Servants, I'd say Gilgamesh if he can take it seriously, which he's shown that he can do if he knows what he's dealing with. If Solomon has Grand status, then Gilgamesh is not going to have a fun time.
I don't want to get married or have kids, but I would do so for Tamamo.
fucking this, if I have to read one more scene with these cardboard cutouts I'm deleting the game the middle ones cute tho
Doesn't Nyarlathotep actually show up in a Summer event, take a look around, see BB, and then just fuck off elsewhere because he decides that there's nothing he can do to make shit worse when BB is free to ruin the world already.
Something interesting: Singularity F is still around even after all the other Singularities have collapsed and in several interludes it's stated that nobody knows why, Saber Alter has 'defender of humanity' in the Fuyuki memorial quest, and the initial warning for Singularity F when the A team was going to look at it was completely different from how the warning shows up afterwards.
The return to Singularity F is probably going to be the finale.
>Something interesting: Singularity F is still around even after all the other Singularities have collapsed
Which is a retarded retcon since it was stated to be collapsing at the end of Singularity F
No, BBthotep wants to trap the Master in a fun loop so he won't suffer in the future because she's impotent in stopping what's ahead.
Lovecraft stuff is just used for fanservice waifu and Nasu's yandere/vore fetish shit.
Of course is a retcon because they didn't know they'll do part 2. Remember Mashu was the "Leader of Team A"? She went from this to "tag along/pet of Team A."
Why does she have to suffer?
>because they didn't know they'll do part 2
A competent writer would be able to write something that doesn't contradict everything from the previous part
We're talking about Nasu, bro.
Frankly, they should do a rewrite of the first chunk of the story. Singularity F is fine, but France and ESPECIALLY Rome could really use a touchup. Or complete rewrite in Rome's case.
>Singularity F is fine,
No it's pretty bad even by go standards
Because she cost Odin his hero.
If Strange Fake is anything to go off of, then you could also summon the Pale Rider or Pestilence or whatever. Fuck the army of homonculi, you can literally just plague ever other master out of the game.
She also only contracted Galahad on Singularity F, which belonged to another master at that. Then they retconned it so she had Galahad all along and he was in fact the 2nd servant Chaldea summoned
Nasu stated in the HF booklets that Sakura doesn't get saved in Fate or UBW
Anything else is just fanfiction
Name a servant that could get along with a neet loser master and isn't crazy.
Bonus point if they're not well known
>and he was in fact the 2nd servant Chaldea summoned
Wasn't he the third? I can't remember, I thought Da Vinci came before him.
Pretty sure Da Vinci was the actual third. She also said that by the time she was summoned Chaldea had already done a lot of fucked up shit, further reinforcing the Demi-Servant experiments happened before her.
Osakabehime
Mandricardo
>bonus points
Hans Christian Andersen. He’d laze around as well and just care about his writing. Unlike Shakespeare he wouldn’t betray you on the spot or force a tragedy upon you for fun.
Though good luck winning a war since his NP takes weeks to make a difference
Tomoe Gozen would happily play vidya all day.
Osakabehime would have extremely high compatibility with a NEET master.
Scheherazade would possibly be all right with it, as long as she wasn't put in danger. Keep her as a bedwarmer and just mana transfer all day, ignore the Grail War.
Probably blackbeard if you can give him his share of neetbucks and just watch anime together
I forgot Mandricardo, that's a good one.
Based on Hector's commentary and Columbus' interlude, Blackbeard is actually a lot smarter or more cunning than he acts.
Mash:
>I don't remember how it happened, but it seems I have survived by fusing with a Servant.
>To investigate and resolve Singularity F, a Servant was provided in advance at Chaldea.
>This servant lost its Master in that explosion, and was doomed to vanish.
>But at the last second, he offered me a contract:
>In return for the abilities and Noble Phantasm of a Heroic Spirit, he wanted me to eliminate the cause of this Singularity.
Dr. Roman:
>A Heroic Spirit and a human, fused...
>A Demi-Servant? That is Chaldea's sixth experiment.
>I see. So it finally succeeded, huh?
>Does this Heroic Spirit still have his consciousness?
>No one suspects the boisterous dumbass.
Brilliant. And since no one wants to spend time with him, he pretty much has all the privacy he needs to do what he wants.
of course Nasu even retconned this with Babylonia episode zero for some reason you know I bet the little faggot just forgot I bet he doesn't even ever go back and read the old stuff to keep basic consistency
Why do faggots seem to think Caster Solomon is anywhere near as powerful as his grand container when we've never seem him actually do anything as a grand.
>b-but goetia
He had to erase himself from existence to do it and it only worked because he created goetia.
Speaking of Babylonia zero, it adapted a part of Camelot prologue so i wonder if they will animate that scene again in Camelot first movie or not.
>10 years of Kali Yuga
It was shortened to 1 day iirc
He retconned it back at Camelot I think. If not earlier.
Obviously. He can just chill on Ars Paulina while he sends an infinite number of 72 Demon Gods to wreck him. Gilgamesh himself has no way to reach the Temple of Time without Rayshift, so he's ridiculously fucked. He doesn't really need to, but he could also just stay outside of time and power-up Ars Almadel Salomonis for an orbital bombardment from another dimension if he wanted to. Even just the lone power of his magical circuits, which are enough to power the entire "planetary summoning circle" of Ars Paulina, is enough to overpower Ea.
That wasn't retconned. She put that excuse for Guda, but was the first time she could talk to Galahad and contracted him to use his power.
That's characters not revealing Chaldea's secrets to an outsider so far, Guda, user.
It's explained in Camelot. They keep it from him on purpose.
Anyway, Galahad was dormat so she wasn't a demi Servant until Fuyuki.
You can always go watch Juni Taisen, which is a completely straightforward battle royale ending with a single winner getting a free wish. Of course it still managed to piss everyone off after the winner wished for literally fucking nothing
But strictly speaking, who is the master of the first three servants summoned by FATE system (Solomon, Galahad, Da Vinci)? Solomon's master is Marisbilly as mentioned before, but what about Galahad and Da Vinci? Or they didn't even have their masters?
What is it about Tamamo that makes her such a waifu bait character?
Her whole goal is to be an ideal wife.
>She put that excuse for Guda
that's clearly just a lazy excuse for the retcon see above
>Caster Solomon
Doesn't exist.
Only Grand Caster Solomon as far as we know.
And why would we give a shit? The rings are more bullshit than the gate of babylon which at least is more or less defined. While Solomon's rings is basically "anything Nasu wants and refuses to explain": the item that has taken over the gate of babylon, with original Solomon being non serious on his profile already just to cover bases.
>Goetia
Goetia was Solomon you dumbfuck. He was the new resurrected Solomon with the mindset of being free and joint hive of demons the original made, but is a Solomon too.
There's also now Chaldea Man who is the new one whatever he'll be. But shows how OP he can be with a single ring.
>that's clearly just a lazy excuse for the retcon
Not that user and true it's indeed a bullshit & lazy reason, but it's not a retcon
It's not a retcon. She was asked shit and she couldn't reveal she's an experiment to an OUTSIDER, so she made up about Galahad being of another Master. Roman is a master of acting too, did you forget this? He quickly covered up for her.
Her backstory was written already. There wasn't retcon in this (the leader of Team A was a retcon, which was swept down the rug). There're also stuff with Mashu and Galahad talking for the first time in Fuyuki and contracted there, so it's true. Galahad didn't lend her his powers up that point, even with episode 0 retcon, she wasn't a Demi Servant but a catalyst as far as Marisbilly was concerned after the experiment failed.
Galahad's master was no-one, since a Master isn't necessary in a Demi-Servant summoning. He was only hooked-up to the FATE System, but he was dormant so no master was assigned to Mashu. Da Vinci stabilized herself in the Chaldea FATE system by using a master proxy. A Master for Galahad wasn't necessary, but any of Chaldea's masters who were booted up to the FATE system could have taken the role.
>Goetia was Solomon you dumbfuck
Speedreader
>His biggest problem was that he thought that if he won, he would cuck Tokiomi magically whisk Rin and Sakura and their mom off into the sunset and live happily ever after.
He only started thinking that in literal pre-death hallucinations.
>You should go listen to Tokiyomi's wife's rant at Karia again, it highlights pretty brutally why he's a selfish, obsessed manchild who's willing to step over his own brother just because he thinks he's correct.
Bitch, you've did nothing to prevent sending of your daughter to the worm rape dungeon, for no other apparent reason that not wishing to endanger your own comfy life, you're not in position to lecture anyone on morality.
What determines whether a person is capable of doing Rayshift or not? There might be more, but on top of my head there's a bit from Fuyuki
>Olga:
>You have been selected. or discovered from each nation for your rare talents.
>By talent, I mean your aptitude for Spiritrons. People with magical circuits capable of becoming Masters.
>Olga:
>The Rayshift process transforms a human into Spiritrons, sending them into the past and allowing them to alter it.
>Simply put, it‘s time travel. But not everyone can do it.
>Only people with exceptional magical circuits, and the ability to become a Master, can be transformed.
Btw, kinda curious for why Olga couldn't be a Master.
First Solomon didn't "erase himself from existence" at all. He completed his works, so made it so you couldn't use his nps as crystalization of his legends so released him of his obligations as Heroic Spirit and leaves the Throne. That includes remnants of Solomon (but not Roman) that could summon that aspect.
Goetia being Solomon 2.0 was affected by it, as Beast I was Solomon as a Beast.
There is no "grand container." Solomon's corpse is already a superior saint graph naturally before its transformation to Beast I. His summon is called "Grand Caster" and so is his only class in mats, we don't know if he ever materialized as a Caster or if he could so your point is moot.
We know he's really fuckton important in the world building: as the agent of God (the Root?) on Earth, as the one who ended the Ages of Gods for good, provided the grand orders directed by God (which is now a very important point for Nasuverse world building), his original record became Grand Caster, his body became Beast I, his powerless human version led the grand order against inciniration and was crucial in getting to set up the lostbelt defenses (left instructions to da vinci) his absent spot weakened the World itself, Kirsch alludes him as the King of The Planet who guided the evolution of history which he wants to usurp and replace, finally there's this "Man of Chaldea" who is linked to Solomon too and is the only one who seems able to stand against Kirsch (Poder de Cosmo) when he only has one ring in his possession.
On top of vague as fuck limits to his power (does he have it other than his emotional limits?), his magic circuits are capable of hosting the whole inciniration with some tweaks, super homo Justaze qith the same modification can only stand and bear the energy of 7 Servants plus.
You're the speed reader. He's not the original Solomon, duh, but he's the Solomon after the body was resurrected, it's born from the corpse, Solomon's memories and the spell of the demons which make him a hive first. But later gains individuality. He never existed as an entity before that. Solomon never talked to "Goetia" until the temple.
I'm guessing it has something to do with the way you perceive yourself or something, if it's not just some random psuedo-genetic disposition determined at birth.
IIRC Olga can be a master, but she can't rayshift without dying, so it's pointless for her to be one.
>There is no "grand container." Solomon's corpse is already a superior saint graph naturally before its transformation to Beast I. His summon is called "Grand Caster" and so is his only class in mats, we don't know if he ever materialized as a Caster or if he could so your point is moot.
I just checked, there's literally 2 different mats for him under the spirit origin list in my room. One for caster and the other for grand caster.
>He's not the original Solomon
Concession accepted.
>Btw, kinda curious for why Olga couldn't be a Master.
It should be explained later in Part 2 i think. The name of the track used for Master Olga scene in Lostroom is "hypothesis master", go along well with other theory-related stuff: "hypothesis cosmos" (Fantasy Tree battle OST), the Fantasy Tree is called "the Tree of Empty/Abstract Theory" by Douman, which is literally how the Animusphere-Marisbilly's theory was looked down by the Clock Tower (it's the exact word in JP) and now Kirsch wants to bring the completion to that theory.
He doesn't know enough about Kerry to trust him to do anything. And in fact, Kiritsugu CANNOT be trusted to do anything in this situation except using it to get rid of Kariya. To the guy who justifies his actions in terms of lives saved vs. lives sacrificed math, one girl is nothing next to winning the Grail.
Kariya knows fuck-all about Iskandar or Waver.
>I just checked, there's literally 2 different mats for him under the spirit origin list in my room. One for caster and the other for grand caster.
FGO Material IV has the profile of the "Good" Solomon (let's call him like that) and in "class" it says Grand Caster.
>I just checked, there's literally 2 different mats for him under the spirit origin list in my room.
Unless is badly translated, it should also say that he was "the Grand Caster who won the Fuyuki Holy Grail War."
Nasu pretty much only established as Grand Caster in his mats. We don't know if he could be summoned as a normal Caster (at least yet: let's see The Chaldean nu version).
>Olga can be a master, but she can't rayshift without dying
wrong caster cu said he couldn't be her servant since she has no master potential of course this master potential shit makes no fucking sense and is extremely contradictory to previous lore
She's perfect, how could you not want the foxiest waifu?
She succeeded at it
Top.
> I just checked, there's literally 2 different mats for him under the spirit origin list in my room. One for caster and the other for grand caster
Fucking lorelets, I swear. Go read your damn materials.
Cope
>Endurance E
>tanks Goetia's attacks like nothing
Nani.
I thought Cu meant that she was just a dumb bitch he wouldn't bother serving. Might be a mistranslation or something, who knows.
Stats have been a meme for a long time.
I'm pretty sure episode 0 showed him getting killed by Daybit. Maybe it's under his order, but we don't know enough right now right?
>I thought Cu meant that she was just a dumb bitch he wouldn't bother serving
what the hell are you so butthurt about
>IIRC Olga can be a master
She can't actually
>Dr. Roman:
>To make matters worse, they found that she had no aptitude to be a Master.
>The noble Animusphere family, one of the Twelve Lords, the dominating faculty of Astronomy at the Mage's Association.
>Oh the scandal that would occur if the head of such a family was found to be unfit to be come a Master.
>Caster:
>I mean you possess high quality magical circuits, yet you don't have the aptitude to be a Master. Is it a curse?
Olga was only able to rayshift after her body had been destroyed. Rayshift process transforms a human into Spiritrons, anyway.
Retardbro.
Flauros awoke on 2015, Marisbilly has been dead for years.
Episode 0 show an outline of clothes similar to Daybit the Crypter who is the one who threatens him.
He smiled at him and shot himself.
Didn't Moneybills shoot himself? Daybit was going to kill him if he didn't stop Chaldeas yeah.
He gets to fuck two emotionally dependent cute guys before he kills himself. Plus trash his daughter's self esteem. That's always fun.
Yeah, it's implied he shot himself.
I liked Tamamo but I don't like how the Extra servant are presented in GO. The shouldn't included OG Nero/Tamamo here.
GRAND ORDER ANIMA ANIMISPHERE
poor Olga
btw i like those Kirsch being jealous with Roman fanarts eventhough we don't even know much about his relationship with Roman... Kirsch did call him "Doctor" if i remember correctly
>Kariya knows fuck-all about Iskandar or Waver.
It's not like Iskandar didn't loudly announce who he was and what his intentions were during a battle that Kariya was watching or anything.
> falling for the stats meme
Lev had nothing to do with his death. Watch episode 0 of Babylonia. Someone threatens him to stop Chaldeas and he refuses because "My life or the preservation of Human Order? What should I choose?" He calmly grabs a gun from his drawer and points it at himself with a smile. We hear a shot to keep ambiguous if he was shot or he shot himself.
The sleeve, coat and boots on the scene of his opponent match Daybit Sem Void. The Crypter who is seemly being aided by a Grand Servant, and gave a hand to Pepe and Chaldea in LB4.
*Defeats you with the powers of thottery*
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Why are fate Whores so based?
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>Meave is Nasu's self-insert
What does she mean by this? How many dicks have Nasu takes? Does she even bother bonning Takeuchi? This lewd mushroom is something alright.
How many kids would Tamamo want?
Nine, duh.
More than one but less than ten I would imagine. Too many kids means too little time with her husband
Medb when portrayed positively is basically a self-help book who runs around encouraging everybody to be better versions of themselves and never making any excuse to be less than perfect. She trains herself to have an automatic defence against cheese bombs, and runs around bullying the Widow Club into picking up cosmetics and general not being fucking miserable sadsacks.
When portrayed negatively she's an ego black hole, an attention whore who demands all eyes stay on her at all times and has absolutely no problems cheating and bullying her way to the top.
Easy to see why she's one of Nasu's favourites.
Reminder that pic related is a horrible cook.
>Shuten makes a singularity just to ask her if it's possible for an Oni and Human to be in love and had good ending.
Pretty sweet for one of the servant that probably fuck anything that moves.
Also cool that we are getting tons of hints that Ibaraki had some deeply depressing background and that Tsuna would probably Ibaraki's Kintoki.
We're talking about current Nasu.
cute banan
are you implying old nasu was any better?
>dude caliburn lmao
>archer's independent action
> projected excalibur morgan
>> projected excalibur morgan
The mud removes divinity, the same shit happened to Herc.