Shoujo is dying. How do we save it?

The question is why shoujo doesn't sell. Where did that demographic go?

Have more adaptations.

They're now growing up on shounen anime in disguise in Precure?

i read a bunch of shoujo because i want to be a little girl but honestly it's the stalest of all genre when you're looking at the moderately to most popular titles. highly formulaic with not much of note in most departments that are not art. there's good stuff in the niche magazines, as usual, but it's connaisseuse stuff for interested readers of all ages, with no bearing on the overall demographic.

>4 ears radar head mutant
gross
either have a pair of cat ears or a pair of human ears, not both

That's kids what about teenage girls do they even watch anime

Not writing it like shit.

Stuff like Versailles no Bara and Onii Sama E are considered shoujo it's just risky to make things like that

Shoujo does sell, though.
It just doesn't sell as much.

I'd think so, I know a lot of teenage girls that watch anime. Thing is, only a small few of them really delve deep into it instead of just watching the most popular anime on Netflix.

What was the last shoujo that sold well? Nozaki-kun?

Kids become teenagers more often than not. Most 5 year olds are watching tv, not reading.

Anonymous Noise sold enough to get an anime

Oh wait, the last big shoujo thing was Citrus

They're buying kimetsu and attack on titan

This. It's the same tropes and cliches everywhere. Even villainess isekai is practically copy paste of Bakarina with some slight variations.

Which is why I turned to manwha, and so far it hasn't been disappointing besides some of them having cursed art.

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It wasn't shoujo. And the only relevant one is Natsume.

Josei still enjoys some success far more than shoujo, like NigeHaji a few years back and Chihayafuru. Plus if you really want to measure a shoujo's success look at live action, since most girl manga will inevitably be adapted to a JDrama format.

I am looking forward to Fruits Basket S2 next month!

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More anime adaptations and less live action ones.

Oh hey, things are looking up!

Yeah same. Though I have to catch up on the first one

More otome isekai.

Soulless and repetitive

Is Bakarina shoujo?

Are live actions based on shoujo more profitable?

Hopefully so. Gonna see Tohru again.

Kimetsu is popular for adult women, not as much for teenage girls.

They seriously need to make more anime. Anime is mostly a commercial for manga, and shoujo just isn’t being adapted for some reason.
>b-but shoujo is soulless and repetitive
Shoujo may follow trends, but it’s not any more repetitive than battle shonen #183618 or isekai #7192610, yet the battle shonen and isekai still sells because it has an anime adaptation.

Otome is better but it's also dying.

turn the main girl into a trap.

>Shoujo is dying
Shoujo es gross

Yuri , Yaoi and Otome is the future !!!!!!!!!!

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Shounen series are more unifying (and can have romance too), while shoujo don't always offer the elements that a wide audience would find interesting. Maybe that's why producers are afraid to adapt stuff.

Not really, they just focus more on video games than anime.

Not really, shonen just gets more publicity from publishers. That’s why it may seem more ‘unifying’.

Replace it with Yuri and Yaoi Shoujo romances

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Okay, then what is the reason why less anime based on shoujo manga are being made? I wish old classics were adapted more than modern series.

There’s hundreds of anime adapted each year, and many aren’t exactly appealing to the general audience. Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs is one such shonen that comes to mind, and the manga was decently popular.

Investors pretty much choose what anime gets made, and I guess they just don’t like shoujo.

More yuri

*yaoi

Bloom Into You paved the way for more interesting Shoujo romances titles. I

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Wait isn't this published in a yuri mag?

No this was publish in a Shonen magazine apparently.

>Where did that demographic go?
japanese-birthrate.jpg

Yaoi is inherently for a female demographic, isn't it considered a subsect of shoujo?

Unironically, more yaoi and fujobait.

>yuri, yaoi, and otome
Which are usually also shoujo

Not a lot of mainstream series have it though.

Stop replying to the outsiders and the shitposters.

>Yaoi and Yuri is inherently for a female demographic
Fixed.

After Fruba I would also like a Marmalade Boy remake

This.

They could fix the ending the siblings tweest and reverse tweest was fucking awful The recent movie improved it a little though

>How do we save it?
Yuri and Yaoi

shoujo is inherently feminist. the entire idea of an independent teenage girl with her own interests including "low" culture like manga comes directly from Taisho-era feminism.

Are you just pretending to be retarded? The current most popular drama in japan is the adaptation of shoujo that's literally a hospital arc from Itazura na Kiss

I asume they're watching live action dramas or fujoshit

I asume they don't have to waste money on animators

Aren't shoujos getting more live action adaptations ?

>yuri
>saving shoujo
Disgusting.

>Yaoi and Yuri is inherently for the male demographic
Fixed.

What about The sequel?

think of as less like a voluntary post and more of a compulsive twitch. dude can't help it, he's been conditioned that way.

More cute boys doing cute and lewd things to each other!

Cute girls doing cute things and doing each other

Most best selling shoujo are turning into live action as it can appeal normalfags. NigeHaji was a huge hit in Japan with its jdrama adaptation and the meme dance.

Nah das gay.

The song even had a cameo in Shinkai's Weathering with you. The problem with shoujo is that not many works are translated, the ones that do are not always the best ones or most original ones, and not many anime adaptations these days.

Shoujo is lame. Shoujo-ai though is absolutely based.

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It's a pretty bad sign for shoujo that most of the suggestions are just different types of romance.

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You are the reason it's dying.

Most if not all of Yea Forums's experience with shoujo has just been romance.

I wanna see more science fiction shoujo. It feels like the demographic is filled with mystery, horror, or drama, and there was quite a bit of scifi back in the day.

>liking yuri
Correction: you are.

youtube.com/watch?v=yxmPug_1WYo

Shoujo romance is a thing of the past. Otome and Chinese homos are the future

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Less yaoi, more yuri is the key to the future. Just look at shonen.

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There are still a lot of Jdramas that are adapted from josei manga.

Correction. I like yaoi.

>recent movie

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Yuri and yaoi are directly proportional. An increase in yuri means an increase in yaoi.

No problem, just replace it all with BL instead so I can enjoy it too (with cute art style, not the shoujo-like one, please).

>so desperate for some attention you hijack other threads and spread your bullshit

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Even if you use more IPs I know it's just one or two samefags.

>she doesn't know
How does it feel to be a newfag and not know Kaze to Ki no Uta and the history of shoujo manga in general

Do not twist the argument, dumbass. You either come here to discuss shoujo series or fuck off instead of doomposting.

Spoken like a real butthurt yurifag

Desperate!

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Nice shoujo manga you're discussing here. When did you start drawing it

How many of those other genres included romance as as side plot though? It feels like 90% of shoujo series have a romance tag.
If more shoujo like Sabagebu was around I'd be more interested in seeing them get anime adaptations.

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Shoujo is not dying, it infiltrate shonen to turn males into s0ys (pic related).

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Yurifags are the biggest faggots of them all. They ruin every thread on Yea Forums by spreading their bullshit everywhere. Do yourselves a favor s/u/bhumans and fuck off back to your containment board .

Hirunaka no ryuusei killed shoujo

What is bottom pic?
Act-Age is readable by literally anyone it could even be go to a seinen mag, not a problem

Citrus was written by a female, yet serialized in Yuri Hime. Which is a seinen magazine.

>yaoi
>male demographic
Did you confuse it with bara?

when did you complete your transition to full and complete tool

honestly I think Shoujo is more similar to seinen than seinen is to shounen. honesty a lot of the reason "shoujo is dying" is because people just don't call shoujo things shoujo anymore. CGDCT, romantic yuri manga, and even stuff like Houseki no Kuni could all potentially be considered shoujo, but they are considered seinen only based on the mags they are in, which also have fairly high female readership.

Bottom pic is the living proof of the existence of the sunk cost fallacy

Jousei > Shoujo
Change my mind

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At the very least it's more likely for josei to acknowledge men have nipples.

>Yaoi and Yuri is inherently for the male and female demographic
Fixed.

More than that

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Nah, having both is great. Lifting her hair only to find nothing where her ears should be sucks

Perfection.

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Shitposts aside, shoujo really is dying. Just look at the magazine sales.

What to do?

Say goodbye and move on? Or is there anything to actually salvage?

Act-Age will be the new Bloom Into You.

screencap this.

Nah.

Apparently it will reminder the mangaka is close friends with Nio and has done yuri in the past.

That's interesting.

Can yuri romance succeed in Shonen Jump?

I don't think we can do anything, so I'm just going to whine about it on Yea Forums

I've not consumed much shoujo, but I have a feeling that generally speaking females are way more likely to also enjoy male-oriented stuff than males are to do the opposite. This actually reminds me of an experiment on chimpanzees that was pretty much in line with this line of thinking.
So maybe the female readership slowly shifted to the other side because they feel like it has more to offer at the moment (again, I'm speaking without being well informed on shoujo). So maybe shoujo manga should start trying some crazy ideas to attract them back.

Yes.

>Shoujo is dying. How do we save it?

Add yuri

Is it? I'm no novelfag but I'm seeing more and more of them getting manga adaptations.

Shoujo romance are unappealing to men because the male characters are either huge assholes or too perfect.

>Shoujo is dying. How do we save it?
STAR TRANSLATING NOBODY TRANSLATES SHOUJO

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Can't blame the readers for not giving a fuck. These days it's
>I have to cohabitate with this handsome guy whose personality is completely different at school!?
>the second superior guy always loses
or
>This super hot guy gave me a makeover and now I'm hot !?
or my favorite one
>not scanlated
I'd rather go back into the cage or read josei than keep reading modern shoujo romance

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17 more days till we get blueballed.

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>I'd rather go back into the cage
Based Tomafags

>Shoujo is dying. How do we save it?
Do what the devs did with Atelier Ryza.

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Hell no.

>Add yaoi
Fixed.

The actual problem is that classifying manga by demographic is an extremely outdated model and genre-based classification makes much more sense.

Of course. Everyone loves yuri.

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with more shoujo Yuri !!!!!

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The only way Shoujo can be saved is make yuri and yaoi romances blatant and I mean full gay no bullshit.

what, make a subpar JRPG? it's not a good game user, all it's got is some cute girls. Which isn't enough to salvage anything, from games to anime.

Shoujo manga where the male lead tells mc fuck off and fucks the second male lead in front of her when

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*to fuck off

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Pic related is pretty much canon

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You forgot the other two main girls too user.

>runs in a shounen magazine
>is shoujo as fuck, or at the least very girly
Applies to pic related, Kuroshitsuji, and pretty much everything else that runs in GFantasy. If a magazine is clearly aimed at girls/women, why even classify it as a shounen in the first place?

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doesn't it have a ton of fujo pandering?

Is Sensei gonna be a lesbian or she'll end up screwed like the rest of the losers.

Sawako please, your bittersweet teenage love is completely one-sided.

Not feeling this one. Male lead is the perfect lover archetype and the MC is very punch happy with her dad and the drag queens. Plus she even admits herself she's not very skilled and she holds all the emotions out of the two of them

Depends on the title. Toilet boy has a little but it's mild and the main couple is straight, while Kuroshit is nonstop fujopandering

What's a "Little chicken"?

Reminder: Only fags like yuri. Yaoi is where it’s at.

>Of course not. Everyone loves het.
Fixed.

Just because it’s a shounen/shoujo, doesn’t mean that the opposite sex of the target demographic can’t enjoy it.

Best guy wins!

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>Of course not. Everyone loves yuri.
Fixed.

>Of course not, everyone loves yaoi.
Fixed.

>not liking het, yaoi, and yuri at the same time

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All romance is shit if it's the sole purpose of the story

>All romance is shit if it's the sole purpose of the story
Unless if it's good or not.

This.

There was a live action movie on 2018

youtube.com/watch?v=iSZPBc7-Kp8

I guess females prefer yuri or yaoi these days.

have the state fund it

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Elaborate.

Right now they prefer both but Yaoi still remains strong.

So do the males.

True.

So if we turn all the chicks into dykes and all the dudes into fags sales should go up right?

By all means Yes.

>multiple replies bitching at FPBP

This is why Yea Forums is dying

Yea Forums is improving

No. Let’s make everyone bisexual. In both shonen and shoujo. That will increase the sales more.

tumblr hambeasts (presumably such as yourself) improve nothing.

>battle shonen #183618 or isekai #7192610
I don't like that either

Yuri is mostly for guys...

Yaoi is for fujoshits who will hopefully せっぷく.

Yes !!

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What’s wrong with making everyone bi?

Bisluts go out

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unironically, i've never read a yuri series i've liked (YuruYuri doesn't count, as the title even implies), but i've read at least handful of ones with BL that i loved.

Fat heroine with huge titay and baby breeding hips.

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Bisluts.

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>What’s wrong with making everyone bi?
>with making everyone bi?
>everyone bi?
>bi?

GROSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

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Fuck off s/u/bhuman.

I agree with the text, but that image screams Yea Forumstard

You have to go back .

>shoujo is dying
Shoujo has been dead at least as long as shonen (i.e. early 2000's, late 1990's depending on sub-genre) but women, especially fujos, are ironically less discriminating in their fetishes than men, so it only took you longer to notice.
Welcome to the club. We can all now bitch about how our favorite media is washed up garbage as jaded, gender-equal contrarians.

>Yuri is mostly for girls...
Fixed.

I love yuri and yaoi , Angry hetfags

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>originally posts a picture of two lesbians holding a baby
>implies hetfag is a derogatory concept
Despite your blatant faggotry, I'm still not exactly sure where you stand. Do you dislike heteros or don't you?

I heard this VN is really good right?

It is.

it's fun and fluffy

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>Versailles no Bara and Onii Sama E
Literally the only shoujo I've read.
Has shoujo ever produced anything better than them?

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the mother in law is sexy

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>Yuri is mostly for fags.
Fixed.

here is a pv

youtube.com/watch?v=iHezuj7isyQ&t=23s

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>Yuri is mostly for Patricians
Fixed.

Adoption or magical two-egg babby?
>Sebastian and Ciel
Man, mid-2000's-early 2010's fujos were retarded

>Yaoi is mostly for Patricians
Fixed.

>Adoption or magical two-egg babby?
IVF/IPS in a realistic standpoint.

>Yaoi and Yuri is mostly for Patricians
Fixed.

I only support yuri because it forces women out of the dating pool for guys.

Ok faggot.

>I only support yuri because it forces women out of the dating pool for guys.
This is why all yuri needs to be burned and the lesbians too.

Fujoshits became the majority

It's working in real life now women are now openly dating women now.

I only support yaoi because it forces men out of the dating pool for girls.

Doesn't that also apply to men as well? Where men are openly dating men?

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why yes it does

Domestic abuse. It's going to be big.

I agree

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I've had a phase with all 4 of the main genre and I can safely say shoujo is the most stale. Almost every story is the same 'bland girl, bad dude, nice guy -- love triangle' plot. It's mind-numbing. I fucking hate haremshit that runs rampant in seinen, but even that is a small blip compared to how copycat shoujo stories are. I feel like I can just ignore haremshit in seinen's case, but for shoujo it almost always falls into that same topic I mentioned beforehand.

It's no surprise that girls are now running to shonen where at least the action can tickle the brain a little. This means they usually end up becoming fujos because the main pairings romance-wise in shonen are always fucking awful and involve a boring doormat girl whose sole purpose is to stand around and get pumped full of babies at the end of the story, doomed to be married off to the MC who has the mentality of a 9 year old when it comes to romance.

It's all fucked. Only a few special romcoms are keeping me going these days.

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>It's going to be big.
Western women should take a page from Japanese lesbians on how to stop being cunts to each other.

dynasty-scans.com/chapters/today_we_continue_our_lives_together_under_the_same_roof_ch01

>Fujoshits and Yurilovers became the majority
Fixed.

>Otome and Chinese homos
Absolutely based.

Are you sure it's just in the west? It could be an international thing that we don't know about.

This is the future

>tfw you won't live long enough to see humanity become a planet full of cute girls impregnating cute girls

Hopefully I can look down from heaven...

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But you're right. Josei is more hit and miss but when it hits it goes far.

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No. The planet will be filled with cute boys impregnating other cute boys.

There is no such thing as cute boys.
It will be cute girls. Back down.

They made a mouse baby that had two genetic moms, iirc they did it by taking one of the female's genetic information from her ova and inserting it into a sperm cell

>girls impregnating each other

Yep. We're already almost there.

Boys can't have babies, though

>There is no such thing as cute girls. It will be cute boys.
Fixed. Begone from this thread.

See

Not with that attitude.

Asian lesbians > European lesbians
> dog shit ...> american lesbians

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It's mostly on the West, but I heard Australian lesbians are pretty cool and nice to people even Japanese women are easy going that's why their LGBT community pretty positive.

not yet
why don't we agree to help each other by advancing science to a point where men and women can blast off to separate planets and never see each other again

IPS

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Women have garbage taste. No wonder shoujo is dying.

why is this thread so cancerous?

Because the /u/fags are here and they kill every thread they invade.

im a tumor

I do not believe I have ever heard something so based in my life.

>pornhub
Shit taste.

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This. Let's be together and work for a better future for both men and women. Gay, Straight, Lesbian, or Bi, it doesn't matter. Let's stop fighting please.

>straight
>bi

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Western lesbians can be better than that and become good looking too. I hope they stop being trashy and start being based because the rest of the world is catching up to them.

Fuck you Kokoro

Pornhub is the king of porn buddy.

This. The beauty of the relationship between a man and a woman is the joining of two parts so different from one another, but welded together into a whole through the power of love.

It's no surprise that yuri and yaoi attempt to mimic this relationship. Both fetishes merely wallow where het has already conquered and moved on from ages ago. They take a pairing and make a typical dominant/dominated relationship with half the party being coaxed into homosexuality by the more masculine half. Yuri and yaoi act out tired typical stories that any het would be criticized for, but are championed instead due to simply being gay. It's mindless, but that's what the masses are steering towards these days.

I pray in the future that it might be righted, but I'm losing hope.

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This.

Saint Seiya killed shoujo many years ago.

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This.

>implying lesbians were ever based

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>implying lesbians were ever based

Lesbians are Based unless you are cucked hard by one.

Best guy was on her knee, and he got married offscreen. Wish we could have seen his wife

What are CLAMPS most problematic (read: hot as fuck) works?

CCS

Nah. Not really. They're kinda cunts.

>ctrl+f 'yuri'
>41 results

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I know that feel bro.

Many of'em are nice it depends if you shit on them besides Lesbian are still nice people.

Make it weekly instead of monthly
And oh adapt more shoujo mangas

I would honestly love a Gakuen Alice reboot first. Its similar to Fruits Basket in a lot of ways.

After so many mpreg titles they should've learnt a thing or two about giving birth

No one here is in the shoujo target demographic

>Many of'em are nice
>Lesbian are still nice people.
I want to believe that they are, but a lot I've seen irl and on the internet are either obnoxious, annoying, or awful. I guess I just have really bad luck with the worst ones.

>listening to the insane nympho rapist who in pursuit of her baby making fetish mindbroke a gay dude

Her point is right but the way it's brought is retarded
>WELL THEY JUST CAN'T HELP BEING PERVERTS THAT'S JUST HOW THEY ARE
Really?
It's like if a guy started the same speech with
>WELL GIRLS JUST CAN'T HELP BEING GOLD DIGGERS THAT'S JUST HOW THEY ARE

>I want to believe that they are, but a lot I've seen irl and on the internet are either obnoxious, annoying, or awful.
That's just the average western women, regardless of sexual orientation

if course they can, haven't you read a true history? you know it's true because it says it is.

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only real shoujo reader in this thread

>yurifags literally masturbate to the idea of men going extinct
Is there anything more pathetic than these subhuman faggots?

This thread is a disappointment

Does it have a girl somehow healing an entire dysfunctional clan

Return to the roots by making a full high-budget adaptation of Orpheus no Mado.

Out of G Fantasy manga, I've read Hanako-kun and watched Kimi to Boku, both of which were fucking great, I think I'll give a few more titles a try.

>why even classify it as a shounen in the first place?
Shoujo has a stereotypical image in my head, and it means something I'm not into--I can't be the only one, I suspect even female readers feel this way. If seems shounen with cute boys is the future, and I like this prospect.

>Return to the roots by making a full high-budget adaptation of Orpheus no Mado.
maybe if THERE WERE TRANSLATIONS!!!

Gintama

You know, a couple decades ago shoujo manga wasn't entirely about romance. They were high-concept stories like any shonen or seinen manga, but made in the shoujo style.

That's what we don't have anymore. Or the works of Kaori Yuki and CLAMP were outliers, I dunno.

Spotless Love is the kind of manga that I'm talking about. Is that shoujo?

Akatsuki no Yona?

Based user.

You mean with the same atmosphere and in terms of aesthetic? I don't think so.

Went to shounen series with fujo bait characters

Have pure wholesome boys taken seriously. In every shoujo I read wholesome pure boys either be the butt of all jokes or gets treated like shit.

Where is the lie?
I'm screenshotting and saving this for the future, it will be useful.

>an Ikeda adaptation without Dezaki and Akio Sugino being involved

It just wouldn’t feel the same. Not to mention that you’d need at least 3 cours to do it justice— Which is unlikely in the modern industry.

Then you're reading the wrong shoujo. I'm up to my neck in nice, sweet shoujo love interests

>multilevel NTR

I agree.

Shoujo has fierce competition from shounen magazines which nowadays tend to pander to their female readers quite a bit.

Not a dysfunctional clan but a school instead
Oh and her parents have this big age gap and very important to the plot

>gayshit unrealistic romance
Gee, I wonder why.

YuriHime for example is bringing more female readers to the fold recently.

This.

Usotsuki Lily anime

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>entire plot is mc collecting boys
>goes teehee don't mind it at the guy who murdered her father and almost caused her death. It also quickly becomes stale and mc is boring.
Yea Forums shoujo recommendations suck

I love this mangaka.

I like her she's pretty cute for a lesbian.

Shounen has a large female fanbase, but does shoujo have a male one?

>half of new BL titles are that weird A/B/O shit with mating cycles and male pregnancy
God I wish the nips had never heard of this shit. It's so weird. And fuck the Supernatural fangirls for inventing it in the first place

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No, because outside of fringe cases it was never cool to like the girl thing

>I have a feeling that generally speaking females are way more likely to also enjoy male-oriented stuff than males are to do the opposite
Isn't this true because of conditioning? Boys get teased for liking 'girly' stuff more than girls for getting into shounen. If there aren't social conventions like this it there would be more crossover I think.

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No.

More people need to start making ambitious shoujo. And those need to be marketed well, translated and made into anime.

Is this Virgin and Chad?

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I don't think this has anything to do with conditioning. The things that girls like in shounen manga is exactly the same thing they like in shoujo manga or other female oriented stuff, BL, etc. Shounen manga has lots of hot assertive guys and plenty of shipping opportunities, both straight and gay. The boys they like take up most of the screen time, making shounen manga almost the equivalent of what CGDCT shows are to men; i.e. hot-boys-doing-manly-things.

For men it's not the same. Shoujo manga might often feature cute girls but they share the spotlight with the male characters, who often embody traits which lots of male reader find appalling, and plot-wise it's too soap-opera-ish for most men to enjoy.

>More people need to start making ambitious shoujo.
And be given to a competent studio. I wish the 7seeds anime was better done.

>Shounen has a large female fanbase,
Don't forget Shounen Yuri has a large female fanbase as well.

There are plenty of shoujo with tolerable romance or less romance with other elements which many boys might enjoy, but will never be given the chance. And boys just disliking romance is part of that general mentality.

It's a green eggs and ham situation, with boys less used than girls to try things not specifically marketed for them.

Yuri will save Shoujo in my opinion.

I mean I guess, but more and more shounen manga feature thise soap opera like plots they always admonished shoujo for. Maybe there's a limit on how dramatic they can accept the circumstances?

There's no limit, just demographic label bias. Guys also like their melodramatic shit while not being judged for it.

>There are plenty of shoujo with tolerable romance or less romance with other elements
I was talking about a general tendency; I didn't rule out that there might be exceptions.

My point is that the two cases are just not comparable. Shounen manga, and that usually means "battle shounen", simply involves elements that appeal to girls, and nowadays they even emphasise those for more fujobucks. Shoujo manga on the other hand usually means "romance aimed at girls" and that does not appeal to men in general, just like female audiences aren't interested in male oriented romance about some loser and his harem.

98% of it is complete trash. But seeing strong and confident males being reduced to a crying bitch in heat who is begging for dicks is kind of hot desu

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Ok, I've just looked those letters up, and now I'm getting ready to abandon all hope. This is what happens when you leave things to women. Why can't we just have more cute fluffy bl with cute boys?

Modern nip girls are more into shounen than shoujo.

And I already said shit like this is part of why there's less crossover. "Romance aimed at girls" shoujo means just for girls, romance or not, and including romance that isn't "soap opera" there's too many for them to just be exceptions.

No one's been saying every or even most boys, but a significant enough number of boys would be ok with reading shoujo if not for various assumptions and other shit that prevent them from even trying.

>Keiko Tekemiya
>One of the 24-Gumi (Magnificent 49ers), the group of female manga artists that pioneered the shoujo demographic, and pratically the inventor of the BL and yaoi genres, and particularly famous for her Boys' Love manga, Kaze to Ki no Uta.
Are you perhaps retarded or a just a retarded newfag? Shoujo and BL were invented by women for women.
And from the start not even shoujo BL was fluffy despite its demographics.
If you want to read BL made by men you won't find your boring fluff either, because it's all about dramatic hairy buff men doing shit and each other in the ass.

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*or just a

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>a significant enough number of boys would be ok with reading shoujo if not for various assumptions and other shit that prevent them from even trying
I believe most people who are interested in this sort of shit are already reading it. The reason why the magical girl genre became a staple otaku genre was because men didn't give a shit about the social implications of watching shows aimed at girls and nowadays magical girl shows are made with male viewers in mind. Female oriented romance is one of the oldest genres in existence. If there were that many men out there interested in it, we would have found out by now. I would even go as far as to argue that male oriented romance developed from female oriented romance and focussed on the aspects in romance that men (generally) liked but got rid of those they (generally) didn't.

It's not like men don't have any fucked up fetishes, and the A/B/O fujos are thankfully a minority. I've long suspected that they're the kind of girls who read BL because they had bad experiences with/are intimidated by men but are still attracted to them, so they self-insert into the bottom to experience romance in what they perceive as a safer way. Hence the drive to put a man through an inherently womanly experience like pregnancy.

>Modern nip girls are more into shounen than shoujo.
No wonder Bloom Into You was very successful because of shounen.

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>because they had bad experiences with/are intimidated by men but are still attracted to them
I think a dislike towards their own womanhood could be another reason.

Since shoujo and josei are often the same shit (7 seeds for example was published in 2 magazines, one shoujo and other josei) i recommend Bokura no Kiseki. Its the best ongoing manga for women.

>so they self-insert
I think it's more a retarded excuse for going into heat shit and giving the couple kiddos, and also pervasive essentialism when it comes to imagining relationships.

Also if it's true it's just another reason why this fetish is shit.

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It's just a fetish, it's not like liking manga about tentacles symbolizes your deep desire to have a plant up in your ass.

So the trick is publishing series that would typically go in a shoujo mag in a shounen mag?

I've heard about that, the art doesn't inspire me. How is it?

It's good, but keeping track of the incredibly bloated same-face cast after you catch up is hell.

That's why I think it's not about self-inserting. Regardless, men turning into pseudo women and shitting out babies is a shit fetish and therefore self-inserting into one makes it worse.

Your convo doesn't pertain to the main topic, fuck off with your cringe shit to /y/

Turn them into otome smut. More asshole guys.

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Yeah that's why it doesn't inspire me that much, but I'll give it a try.

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>convo
Why are you talking like some subhuman

Did she deserve all of that?

I like Het and Yaoi but hate Yuri, straight guy by the way.

>How do we save it?
A girl falls in love with a boy. Unable to confess she is gifted by deus ex machina with his phone number...

Our Precious Conversations is a recently concluded Shoujo and is probably the best one I've ever read, genuinely 10/10, hilarious with funny and realistic characters. People need to read this.

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It reminds me of the classic shoujo "Please Save My Earth" because of the reincarnation stuff, but more focused on mystery instead of romance.

I'll take even the most cliche, by-the-books shoujo over the glut of Chinese/Korean webtoon shit we have now. Literally all of their shit is something like "Icy Demon CEO, don't Rape your Replacement Bride!"

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If you can make a good story with female main characters who think life and love in the coming age of story then yes you'll be successful in a shounen magazine.

One of the shittiest manga I've read recently. The guy is an obnoxious cunt and the girl is an annoying shit

haven't watched it by I'm pretty sure it's overrated

Act-Age
>"OY VEY goy, women can be great main characters too"

DomeKano
>"OY VEY goy, it's okay for men to read romance just stop reading dragon ball and one piece"

literally doesn't need a reboot, wtf
the op is soul and it's pretty well animated
youtu.be/ljdPRlN9g_Y

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Shoujo romance sucks, we need beautifully written shounen relationships

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Oh so it's Domestic na kanojo

It's easier once you've read it.

ai yazawa needs to finish nana

It's been twelve years user

And? He's right.

Kill yourself anytime

Shonen learned hoe to appease female readers too. Shoujo didnt.
As a straight guy, CCS is my favorite shoujo. It is clearly targeted at the young female demographic but it has tons of things that grab my attention as a guy too -- a sense of adventure, mystery, and relatable male characters. Shaoran is great, being a sort of male tsundere but never going over the line where he feels like some crazy female fantasy. He stays as a real relatable and likable character.
And of course all the other characters are great too. Even as a straight guy the gay brother feels very relatable.

I mean shoujo didnt learn how to appease male readers, my bad.

Even if this was true it would be because Shonen has gone beyond being just for boys for a long time now. It also helps that many female mangaku have been all over it alongside female protags too like Emma and Maka

The kawaii esthetic born in shoujo. Hideo Azuma, the father of lolicon, was a huge fan of shoujo mangas and he tried to emulate that cutesy style on male-oriented mangas. Masami Kurumada, the guy who brought the female readers in mass to WSJ with Saint Seiya, was/is a huge shoujo fan and it shows. His mangas are full of shoujo sparks. For me, the problem is shounen/seinen pretty much absorved the shoujo demographic and after the huge success of Hana Yori Dango and Itazura na Kiss, combined with the economical stagnation, it was safer to do millions of HYD and Itazura na Kiss rip-offs rather than take a chance doing something else.

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This.

>It also helps that many female mangaku have been all over it alongside female protags too like Emma and Maka
and that's where yuri takes into play now.

we need more Shoujo manga to get animated or at least subbed.
Im still waiting for this Anime to get a Sub

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Euthanasia.

user you're talking like as if shoujo isn't selling. It still sells but its own pace and production. Shonen are suppose to be selling and must be selling by its competitive nature, and im talking specifically weekly shonen not shonen as a demographic. Shonen manga especially shonen romance manga are not the same as pute shonen from JUMPs, half of shonen romance like rom com and such are tailored for both audiences. Then there are romance with girl concentrated market that borrow shonen magazine but people don't read them because it said "shonen" people read for the magazine and the culture surrounding around that magazine.
You're probably generalizing all shoujo to be from Shoujo beat, but that is not the case at all. Shoujo manga has variety it is very self contained within its own magazine regulation while shonen doesnt. Avid Japanese readers don't really emphasize Demographic label as much as Yea Forums do, they mostly go by "girl manga" or "boy manga" in general if you go to their online manga website like renta, half of the shoujo section have josei and seinen mangazine for some reason. That is because these manga are popular among female readers, they are categorized for female in general, not by the magazine that give them said demographic label.

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You are all talking about this and that without bringing some stats and numbers.
Who should I believe?

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how can I explain to you when you can't read Japanese? I cant do your homework user

I can read something, post a graph. I'm not a shoujo fag and i don't know where to search this kind of stuff

>being so anally devastated I insulted your self-insert
Cope with the fact that you're retard that eats shit

>Isn't this true because of conditioning?
Not necessairly. I mean, surely boys are teased more for trying girly stuff than the opposite, but that experiment I mentioned pointed at it being at least in part instinctive. Probably there's more experiments like that.

This.

Shoujo beat takes a bunch of romance manga from different magazines though

I'm still waiting. Seems like you can only talk big.

>Shoujo beat
it still exists?