This was the weirdest fucking shit ive ever seen in anime

Should've pumped and dumped. Tatsumi is a fag.

imagine you are stranded on an island with this big tits chick and you dont even try to fuck her.
japanese are truly a cucked folk.

Esdeath literally has nothing going for her. Do you remember the final battle, where they got basically everyone to do battle with her at once? There wasn't anything interesting about that fight, it was just a case of hitting her over and over again until she went down. (Magic one-hit-kill katanas nonwithstanding.)

It's a shonen.

Anons, you might be harem protags if you can't understand a simple list of criteria that she literally spells out for you.

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their "love story" doesn't exist, she is delusional and he is in love with the pink bitch

>guy with working morals
>just bone the craziest evilest bitch of them all bro

it's not a love story. He doesn't like her, and they don't hook up.
He actually gets together with another chick

You've either got it or you don't

>Esdeath literally has nothing going for her.
titties
legs
a vagina

>Esdeath literally has nothing going for her.
she has really big tits

esedese do something

>Should've pumped and dumped
>dumped
That sounds like a really, really dangerous idea.

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thats just lazy writing. you cant create a character with a certain type and than simply go 360 with it all the fucking time.

It's a garbage series anyways.

I wanted them ice babies

he's 5'5 according to the guidebook, but the heights in that thing don't really fit.
I'm pretty sure it states he's taller than Scheele, who towered over him and it said he's only about 2 inches shorter than Esdeath

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>go 360 with it all the fucking time
what?

Woman usually dont know what they want and in the literary world when a character has a list of pointers for their perfect partner it usually means that it her expectactions will be subverted.

It's not very weird, it's just shitty. There are much better anime and there are much shittier.

So did Tatsumi get Mine pregnant before the final battle or after

this was such a shit anime

Akame ga shit is the worst manga ever written

Let's not get crazy now, it had a decent run.

And somehow Yea Forums loved it. You're not fooling anyone faggot

She is anything but an ordinary woman.

>their "love story" doesn't exist
It actually does. His love story - doesn't.

Someone post an image. You know the one.

>Their "love story" doesnt make any sense.
That's because there wasn't one. Just a mentally ill mass murderer's phantasies.

>tfw he had Esdeath practically eating out of his hand
Why didn’t you tap that, Tatsumi, why?

She was crazy and he had better options.

She had a criteria of standards that he met, what is so hard to understand about that?

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She probably would have justified him leaving as needing to roam and not be in on place for long, which makes them similar ships passing in the night etc. I doubt she'd be able to comprehend that he'd actually have dumped her.

Except he didn't fuck his better options either. Then pink wins but he's a giant fucking dragon monster that will be a forever virgin having to beat off into a tub just to impregnate her. Then if you go by anime he's just a dead forever virgin.

You got that far into AgK and realized the story was shitty?

once you start an anime you have to finish otherwise you are a piece of trash.

>Except he didn't fuck his better options either.
He fucked the best option, user. Multiple times before and after becoming a dragon.
>if you go by anime
No one goes by the anime.

Reminder that Both Lubbock and Anime Leone did not even got a proper burial

what a terrible lack of respect for those milkers

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>Multiple times before
Okay now.

Fucking based.

Yeah it doesn't make any sense. Yet I still want her to step on me.

In an AU in which the first child was conceived AFTER Tatsumi got turned into a dragon and the manga’s ending, Tatsumi and Mine never stop having kids or sex. The new size difference between their reproductive organs caused them to be so addicted to rough sex that Mine stayed pregnant for the rest of her. Mine stays flat chested despite pregnancy. Even when mine is already pregnant Tatsumi still had sex with her with his dragon cock throughout every pregnancy and he can and does knocking her up even more during pregnancy because his sperm also acts as a form of gonadotropin medication, and child birth was difficult or even impossible for mine because tatsumi almost never pulls out of her pussy even after cumming because, as a dragon, he has no refractory period and the orgasms just make them both more horny. Being pregnant with dragon children stopped Mine from ageing so she and Tatsumi can keep having sex forever. Mine is reluctant to have sex while pregnant but gets onto Tatsumi’s dragon dick anyways out of her addiction to it. Minimum about of babies that Mine will be pregnant at a time with were decuplets and her pregnant belly gets so large and heavy that she is unable to move from the bed they have sex on and she has no choice but to were clothing that shows her pregnant belly. Tatsumi fucks Mine so hard during pregnancy that his dick penetrates her womb/cervix completely and ends up hitting the very top of her womb. They have sex even when they do not want to because Tatsumi’s dragon urges forces him to rape Mine 24/7 and he can only pull out long enough to let Mine give birth to one of their babies before being overwhelmed by his urge to put his dick back into her pussy. Tatsumi and Mine were trap in a never end pregnancy sex hell born from their own love for each other. P.S. I self insert as dragon Tatsumi in this.

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>esdeathfags are still salty

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>In an AU
stopped reading there

Reminder that mine won.

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post the dragon seamen bath tub!

OK

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rtfm

Leone was a shitty fanservice character with no real purpose. No wonder even her team mates couldn't care less about her.

Tatsumi and mine had children.

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thats fucking hilarous lol.But mine was already pregnant

So even Yea Forums is more lucid than I thought

Of course that does not mean that Tatsumi did not use his dragon dick to fuck mine while she was pregnant.

Is it really so wrong to want to fuck a powerful, attractive villain?

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That's because it wasn't about love, but temptation.

>Esdese do something
I'm not even a Minefag, but this one is pure gold.

Esdeshittards never cease to amaze me.

What would a date with each Akame ga Kill girl be like?

Heteros are clearly pathetic,
Based Mera, soon my OCs will resurrected her, not now because they´re doing something else

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>Heteros are clearly pathetic,
Kill yourself.

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NO, will live forever and some year you will see my animated project and how i laugh of all of you

She specfically made a list everything she was looking for in a partner and he fit all her boxes. Its that simple. Plus opposites attract. Its like a successful man who wants a virgin.

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I read the fanfics of these two. Don't even bother mocking me. They're good and I like it

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Is Esdeath bi?

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Yes. She also doesn't mind being a cuck.

No you fucking don't, especially not with trash that purposefully insults it's readers like AgK

>purposefully insults
No, you are just dumb. Both are good. Manga is better but the anime isn't bad

the unit trivia comics were fun

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neither are especially good, but "purposefully insults" is just embarrassing hyperbole

You need to turn into a cartoon

Esdeath entire character makes no sense but I like her

Esdeath fell in love with Tatsumi's potential.
like shows
her equal doesn't exist so she wanted to build someone with potential to become her equal

akame ga trash reads like a terrible fanfiction written by a 7 years old, it's that bad

It does, because she's a legit psychopath.

>You have mato seihei
Not him but it also does not have an anime yet

>it also does not have an anime yet
Good. Anime a rarely worth it and only bring in loads of shitposters.

strawpoll.me/19476289

You should have put a 'none' option

Who else voted for Mine? Go away! She's Mine!

The choice here is clear

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Esdeath nearly caused the fucking ice age. Ain't nobody gonna be her equal.

I think Leone would be the most fun to go on a date with.

Tatsumis and Esdeaths interaction where the only good part of an otherwise shit manga/anime.

anime ending where she froze the two of them together in death was top tier tho.

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How do I get a girl like Esdeath?

Reminder that Mine is best girl.

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>Its like a successful man who wants a virgin.
Well, that certainly puts things in perspective.

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yep tastume and mines story didnt make any sense. i concur.

Akame ga Kill sucks dicks which is sad because 9 years ago it was the shit until the edge ended up consuming the story beyond acceptable levels.

Requires a lot of working out.

Tatsumi had way more chemistry with Sheele. If Mine had died instead of her their relationship would've made much more sense.

Reminder Esdeath was raped by her female best friend in Akame ga Kill Zero

>Tatsumis and Esdeaths interaction where the only good part of an otherwise shit manga/anime.
Nope. They were pretty much the opposite: The only really shitty part in an otherwise very entertaining manga.

>until the edge ended up consuming the story
Nope. The anime brought in trolls, and suddenly it became "the shit" to hate on it. You just jumped on the bandwaggon of shitposting redditors. Congrats.

This

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Same thing happens in the manga, except these two aren't dead. Esdese always was pathetic.

>Esdese always was pathetic.
She failed at her own philosophy which was just a strawman version of social Darwinism.

But it was hot. While watching it I just wondered why is he gay? Then again the conflict could've easily been resolved if he fucked her.

>is he gay?
nope

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That's the problem with you Esdesefags: You always assume that everyone must have the same shit taste you do and must be just as willing to look beyond a horrible personality and mental illness.

How are the prequel and the sequel series. Does the sequel at least lead anywhere interesting?

>You always assume that everyone must have the same shit taste you do and must be just as willing to look beyond a horrible personality and mental illness.
He just wants a woman to step on his dick.

>How are the prequel and the sequel series.
The prequel is nice. Especially Poney.
Haven't really been following the sequel. Scans are rare and slow.

No straight male in this situation does nothing.

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He can have that. There are lots of abusive women out there if you go out the door.
The rare finds are girls like Mine, Chelsea or Leone.

Sequel got picked up by Yen Press. Looks like it is about a civil war. No idea how many years it is set after Akame ga Kill

I mean ... yeah, he should have tried to gain her absolute trust and then killed her in her sleep. That's what every sane straight male would have done.

So basically not looking beyond just an average human?

Then why did he fucked/knock up mine while akame watched?

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It wasn't a "love story" at all. The author added some waifubait qualities to her for marketing purposes, not to mention this story was originally going to be a VN which of course entails multiple routes, but if you read the manga without your simp glasses on it was obvious she was irredeemable shit and a psychopath who actually got off easy considering all the crap she pulled, and the MC would never have a relationship with her without seriously compromising his convictions. She was only ever viable as a VN shit end material.

A sane straight male would manipulate her until they get tired of fucking her, the latter which probably never happens. There's no easy way out.

He fucked Mine because he terrible choices. If he fucked Esdeath then Mine could've survived by his heroic actions afterwards, just play some chess and claim the prime minister's head.

>this was the weirdest fucking shit ive ever seen in anime.
Go watch Ninja Scroll: Resurrection. That's way weirder.

>not to mention this story was originally going to be a VN
I'd love if the VN does eventually happen in a few years and the only character not to get a route or any way to survive will be Esdese. Because, as you wrote:
>she was irredeemable shit and a psychopath

>then Mine could've survived
Mine DID survive. And Esdese died. The best possible outcome, really.

If there was a VN then in that tatsumi and wave would be one person.

She didn't want to just fuck though, ahe wanted a relationship and Tatsumi wasn't about that bullshit with some psycho if it meant betraying his comrades and morals. Edgedeath was a shit who got rightfully thotpatrolled.

>tatsumi and wave would be one person
How would that work, from a narrative standpoint? He can't be in two places at once.

Well in the anime she died.

Yoy must be insane because those were actually the worst parts of the manga, except maybe for Honest's faggot son.

Well, in the anime a lot of stuff happened that's non-canonical and thus doesn't matter.

Mine a shit. A stinky pink shit.
>was pregnant in the mango so her PINCHI gun went into 2x PINCHI overboost mode
mine a shit but that's some deepest lore right there.

I wonder about that. Anime is meant to make source stuff more popular, but it ended just as soon as the anime so both of them are their own forms of canon.

>How would that work, from a narrative standpoint? He can't be in two places at once.
I am talking about the fact that the VN would most likely let you choose which side to join, which is why the author describes wave as being tatsumi if he joined the imperials.

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manga>anime.

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salty.

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>but it ended just as soon as the anime
It didn't. It went on for over a year after the anime had finished airing.

>the VN would most likely let you choose which side to join
That might be possible. Maybe let you choose one of them as the protagonist as to not create a void on the other side.
Of course, Esdese is not a good choice for either.

>or after
but they all died in the final battle. the manga is a shipper's fanfic that happens to be written by the author.

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Before.

>It didn't. It went on for over a year after the anime had finished airing.

That only goes to show that the ending is no more canon than the anime's, unless the author really didn't know how to end it (which is impossible).

I was in those threads pretty good stuff

the anime is not canon.
>That only goes to show that the ending is no more canon than the anime's
those are some mental gymnastics you got going there.

was also meant for

liking pink(hair) means youre underage and probably a girl.

If the author decided to change the manga's ending because the anime's ending was there, then there is no official canon. I'm of course assuming the both anime and manga were written by the same author.

There are no mental gymnastics. Anime and manga are both different forms of media with an overlap in audience.

>That only goes to show that the ending is no more canon than the anime's
What the hell are you even blabbering on about? The anime made up stuff to get to an ending quickly within one season, long before the manga had even finished. How does that make it canon?

>If the author decided to change the manga's ending because the anime's ending was there
No one "changed" the ending. The anime just did its own thing with the vague outline they were given for it.

>I'm of course assuming the both anime and manga were written by the same author.
They weren't.

Hell tatsumi and mine started dating in the manga way before the anime even aired, and the anime went into a different direction before that part.

I never watched the anime and dropped the manga before the anime got popular, AkG sucks.

You're both assuming it has to be published for the people working on the anime to see an "official" ending made by the author. But I didn't work on the anime so I wouldn't know either.

>I'm of course assuming the both anime and manga were written by the same author.
they were not, infact the anime adaption almost never have the author of the original work doing the writing 90% of the time.
>Anime and manga are both different forms of media with an overlap in audience.
a very SMALL overlap in audience.

>You're both assuming it has to be published for the people working on the anime to see an "official" ending made by the author. But I didn't work on the anime so I wouldn't know either.
the manga came first, thus is official canon which the sequel is following unless the author states otherwise.

>I didn't work on the anime so I wouldn't know either.
But we know, because they were very open about what information they were given. That information is where the similarities between both endings come from: The Akame/Esdese fight, Leone fighting the prime minister and dying, stuff like that. There was an outline. But they didn't exactly know the ending of the manga yet. It hadn't even been written in all of its details. And even if they did know, how is what they made from it canon when it contradicts the actual ending?

Check both endings. There is a parallel in how both of the series ended, meaning that the anime's ending held some influence in the author's decision making for that ending one way or another. Now, the anime strictly followed what the manga had until there was no official ending.

There's an outline up to the final fights, meaning that the ending was either altered by the author to reflect this outline or the anime predicted all of that (which is impossible ).

>Now, the anime strictly followed what the manga had until there was no official ending
the manga is still the official ending, which is why the sequel is following that ending and not the anime's.

did you even read the post you are responding too? He did mention that the author gave the anime team an outline on what would happen but not how those things happen, like they know that akame will kill esdeath, but not HOW she will kill her.

It's a love story. Him not corresponding just makes it a tragic one.

>He actually gets together with another chick
aka best girl

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There WAS an outline. The anime still made lots of shit up and skipped many major plot points. Some of which were already going on in the manga when the anime aired. It just altered the plot to get it done faster. Why do we even need to argue this?

>the ending was either altered by the author
How would an author "alter" the ending when he's the one who has, literally, all authority over it?

>meaning that the anime's ending held some influence in the author's decision making for that ending one way or another.
No, it didn't, you imbecile. Takahiro (the author of the manga) GAVE the anime writers a vague outline. He influenced them, not the other way around. Are you really stupid enough to believe that he'd just copy the anime writers' original work?

So then what would prevent the author from giving them an ending, even if it's not what would go down in the manga? Do you not understand the contradiction?

>So then what would prevent the author from giving them an ending, even if it's not what would go down in the manga?
not wanting to spoil the manga ending.

How would he alter it? By preventing both endings from overlapping. If you write the same stuff twice then it's considered laziness and your fans would find it boring, thus no incentive to buy the manga.

>No, it didn't, you imbecile. Takahiro (the author of the manga) GAVE the anime writers a vague outline. He influenced them, not the other way around. Are you really stupid enough to believe that he'd just copy the anime writers' original work?

I'm claiming that the outline was finished before it went into manga, not that the author ripped the anime ending

How do you go from writing Majikoi to writing the trash that is Tatsumi x Mine?

This chapter came out way before the anime aired, mine and tatsumi are not dating in the anime. in other words the anime was already changing things.

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>implying that Tatsumi x Mine and wave x kurome were not one thing that was good about this series.

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>By preventing both endings from overlapping.
Even if he did that (which is not what happened, and there was quite some overlap, because they obviously wanted an overlap), that wouldn't make the anime canon.

>If you write the same stuff twice
I repeat: Takahiro was NOT a writer for the anime.

>I'm claiming that the outline was finished before it went into manga
Well, sure, the outline he gave the anime writers was finished. Whether he already knew all the details of his ending at that point is not reported anywhere. And it shouldn't matter, because the anime team never received those details. It's not even as if Mine dying was the only thing that differed.

I bet none of you realize that akame ga kill has a sequel following the manga ending.

People have talked about that in this very thread already. So you#ve lost your bet.

That's stuff that's deliberately changed for one reason or another. But for the sake of portrayal they did capture Mine and Tatsumi's feelings towards each other.

Some authors deliberately change the endings on their manga. That doesn't mean that anime wasn't canon.

>Well, sure, the outline he gave the anime writers was finished. Whether he already knew all the details of his ending at that point is not reported anywhere. And it shouldn't matter, because the anime team never received those details. It's not even as if Mine dying was the only thing that differed.

Well, I'd say that an outline that doesn't include details of an ending wouldn't include final fights.

second response was meant for

Would you apply this bullshit standard to literally anything else? The anime was fanfic tier dude, just let it go.

>That's stuff that's deliberately changed for one reason or another.
Exactly. The anime changed stuff from the manga it was adapting, which makes it non-canonical. Unless you allow for it to have its own independent canon, which in this case still would be inferior the manga's.

>Some authors deliberately change the endings on their manga.
He couldn't CHANGE the ending of his manga, because the manga didn't HAVE an ending when he wrote it the way he wrote it. There only ever was one.

>I'd say that an outline that doesn't include details of an ending
An OUTLINE never includes details. That's why it's called a fucking "OUTLINE".

>wouldn't include final fights.
Of course it would. That was the whole point of even giving them any information: That the fights would match up. What do you think he should have told them when he wanted to leave some things vague? "The good guys win"?

>That's stuff that's deliberately changed for one reason or another.
Mine and tatsumi not getting to together in the anime (even though they got together in the manga before the anime aired) basically means that the anime is not canon, even if the anime's ending was exactly like the manga's, it has already gone off a different path at that point, so the entire thing was already not canon.

Well, yes, I would. There is no fine line between what's canon and what isn't, because as I've already mentioned, manga and anime are different forms of media. A manga can get a sequel, but so can an anime, and their stories may diverge, they're not always expected to be the same, nor should they be.

To me her requirements basically describe someone who would be detrimentally opposed to her and the empire, so it was inevitable she'd fall for someone who's a "Hero of the Rebellion"

I thought it was pretty obvious she had a mindbreak fetish but if she actually succeeds at mindbreaking them she loses all attraction, so his inability to be broken just makes it hotter and hotter for her.

Notice that the original response claimed "it isn't canon", as in irrelevant. I'm not claiming that the anime is officially written by the author, but is its own form and got its own praise for its own story.

>their stories may diverge
And yet you argue that the manga's author was "inspired" by the anime's ending and changed things just to be different.
Again, if your whole point is that the anime had its own story that could be called "anime canon", fine. It's shit though in comparison.

>Notice that the original response claimed "it isn't canon", as in irrelevant.
Because it is. Most people prefer the manga, for a good reason. That the anime changed things matters just as much as you changing things for a fan fiction you write.

Way too much of an overreaching claim there. Mine was only better than Shitdeath, but not best girl by a longshot.

>but not best girl by a longshot.
then who is?

Because the outline includes details of fights. Then again, the anime was a derivative of one of his works, so why wouldn't he be inspired by the ending if it wasn't included in it?

Now, the manga and anime both ended a year apart, so that's why I'm making all of my assumptions.

>women will forcefully take a man and be extremely dominant just so they can be submissive to them later
Honestly? Sounds pretty realistic to me. Women know what they want, to be dicked.

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Can someone please make a preg Esdeath?

>Because the outline includes details of fights.
It really didn't. You either didn't watch the anime or you didn't read the manga, because the fights played out very differently. All that does match up is who fought whom. And possibly who won - if they didn't get to the obvious conclusions on their own. There is the "issue" of Leone dying, but how that happened was also different.

>why wouldn't he be inspired by the ending
Because he was the one who gave them hints for the ending, not the other way around. We know this for a fact. The anime team stated as much.

The fights played out slightly differently. However, there were details about the character which were implemented during the fights. Or maybe that was just implied or predicted. We will never know, because there are many similarities and differences and you can sit down nitpicking them all day.

>Because he was the one who gave them hints for the ending, not the other way around. We know this for a fact. The anime team stated as much.

If he gave them hints for the ending then he already had an ending in mind, meaning he purposely did not give them the manga ending because he wanted the two to diverge.

There's always a very, very clear line between what's canonical and what's not between an adaptations and the original source. Whichever came first (in this case the manga) is always regarded as the true canon, regardless of whether it ends before, after or at the same time as the adaptation, unless the author specifically declares otherwise. Even in cases where an author says a particular piece of an adaptation is to be regarded as canonical, the hierarchy is always source>adaptation whenever differences arise, and that's how it's handled across the bar since that's the logical way to not only respect the author's will, but to present the events in a cohesive manner from an out-of-universe perspective. Now, I know you're claiming that this is an exception since according to you both the ending to the anime and the manga were written by the same guy and he has never said only the manga's is canon, but he doesn't have to. Even if we were to assume that both endings are a 100% authored by him, the mere fact that both aren't identical means that the hierarchy of source material>second medium applies, meaning in case of any contradiction the manga's telling of the events take precedence. There's nothing to debate here, really. The events of the anime are only to be regarded as in-continuity and canon to itself, but the true canon of the story is always the original author's vision from the original source, which in this case is the manga.

Najenda>Kurome>Akame>Chelsea>Leone>Schele>Mine>Justice>Sweaty Rakshasa>Sadistic Rakshasa>literal dogshit>Edgetrash.

>Najenda and kurome at the top
while i am a minefag, I must say you have very great taste in waifus.

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She should have been completely paralyzed and raped by every man (and woman) in the Empire and the other countries she destroyed while horribly tortured everyday as part of her punishment. It was extremely bullshit how scott free she got off compared to Honest despite her being as responsible if not more than him for the Empire's citizens suffering.

>layed out slightly differently
Slightly? You really didn't pay much attention to anything it seems.

>If he gave them hints for the ending then he already had an ending in mind, meaning he purposely did not give them the manga ending
I don't know how often you need to be told, but he indeed did not give them a complete ending, he gave them an outline for an ending.

Pinky is not even bad really, she's actually pretty nice. She just faces very steep competition in this story. Too bad about it being such an edgefest that prioritized shock value over developing the characters.

Close, but nah.
Mine > Chelsea > Mez (sweaty) > Najenda > Akame > the rest > Exdeath (from Final Fantasy V) > Esdese

Unfortunately, following this vague rule, I would argue that the anime came first and is therefore canon, because the team had an outline, was given hints for an ending, who knows to what extent the author was involved in the ending that came a year before.

Now, as you've mentioned, it's whatever is released first that counts as canon, unless the author says otherwise. I agree with that statement, but unless the author says otherwise, one could still assume the author's vision could've also been what happened in the anime.

>Too bad about it being such an edgefest that prioritized shock value over developing the characters.
and the harem antics kind of get in the way of romantic development as well, plus the manga decided to timeskip after mine and tatsumi gets together.

>I would argue that the anime came first
Then you'd be wrong, because the anime came much later than the manga.

I don't think his rule is 100% accurate, especially when an anime is loosely inspired and does its own thing.
But what you are arguing here is practically that Houshin Engi's last two thirds are non-canon in the manga because the anime hamfisted a shitty ending onto the first third while the manga continued. That's the most moronic thing I've seen anyone state in a while.

>I would argue that the anime came first and is therefore canon
are you fucking retarded?! the manga came out why before an anime adaptation was even thought up, the first chapter came out in 2010.

The fights and anime happened years ago so I wouldn't know every detail. Whether it's slight or very different does not concern me, but I do know that there was an overlap in details of sorts, otherwise Akame wouldn't have activated her power in both fights.

>I don't know how often you need to be told, but he indeed did not give them a complete ending, he gave them an outline for an ending.

That's the same thing that my message says.

i thought he was dating the pink haired girl

not only was he dating the pink one and he also knocked her up.

nice

>Whether it's slight or very different does not concern me
Then don't make assertions to that extent. Don't you know how an argument works and that your points should be based on what you know and what you consider relevant?
You literally just argued a point that you think doesn't matter and can't remember any facts about.

>That's the same thing that my message says.
No, it most definitely isn't. You've been conflating these things the whole time. An outline is not "the ending".

Let's backtrack for a second.

Which came first, the anime or manga?

One can clearly see that the manga was published first. I never claimed otherwise.

Which ending came first?

The anime's ending. Was it canon? If we assume that whatever comes first is canon, this is what I mean when I say that there's no fine line.
But it's really because of the reasons I've mentioned, this is debatable, up to where the two endings originated from. Thus, one cannot simply conclude that one of the endings wasn't canon.

That doesn't mean that the manga isn't canon, it only means that you can't take it to mean that the anime isn't.

>One can clearly see that the manga was published first. I never claimed otherwise.
yeah you did.
>I would argue that the anime came first and is therefore canon

>Which ending came first?
>The anime's ending. Was it canon? If we assume that whatever comes first is canon, this is what I mean when I say that there's no fine line.
Again, what you are arguing that Houshin Engi's rushed anime ending is at least as canonical than the two thirds of the manga that released after it. That's just retarded.

Again: If you want to argue that there is a completely separate canon, do so. But don't argue shit about how you think the author wrote the anime's ending or that we have to take it in consideration when we discuss the manga.

>Then don't make assertions to that extent. Don't you know how an argument works and that your points should be based on what you know and what you consider relevant?
You literally just argued a point that you think doesn't matter and can't remember any facts about.

Because most of what I said is true. I'm merely stating my opinion, and have never asserted that my opinions are facts. Now, I said that false statement as a prototype for what followed. However, one could still argue that in my favor and say that my statement was true, because the characters and artwork and whatever one nitpicks from both works are identical. Remember what I said about fine lines?

Both stories utilized the same outline. Because we do not know what was contained in that outline, we do not know to what extent the team which worked on the anime was inferring its own ending.

I made a true statement, that can be considered false if you change the definition of "first". I agreed with that user's response, so it's not as if I rejected what he said.

>Again, what you are arguing that Houshin Engi's rushed anime ending is at least as canonical than the two thirds of the manga that released after it. That's just retarded.

So two-thirds of the manga was released in a year?

>Again: If you want to argue that there is a completely separate canon, do so. But don't argue shit about how you think the author wrote the anime's ending or that we have to take it in consideration when we discuss the manga.

We do know that he gave them hints for an ending, which means that he had an ending in mind and then altered his own. I'm not saying that he did write the anime's ending, but that it's a possibility, and that we do not know to what extent he was involved in writing that.

Any series that introduces a character JUST to kill them off in ten chapters is an insult to the audience who bothered to invest in them is fucking trash.

>Because most of what I said is true.
No, it isn't. And you yourself admitted that you can't remember the facts. Yet you felt compelled to make an incorrect statement anyway.
Even if we considered that statement of yours an opinion, you cannot possibly have an opinion on something you don't remember.

>because the characters and artwork and whatever one nitpicks from both works are identical.
Identical? Do you know what that word means? The anime didn't even have all the characters from the manga. And it didn't give them identical personalities or character arcs, just more or less similar ones.
As for the artwork, how the hell do you call it identical? There's a clear difference in style.
But most importantly, even if I granted you all of that identity ... how exactly would that influence the anime's ending?

>Both stories utilized the same outline. Because we do not know what was contained in that outline
We know what wasn't: The things that were clearly different.

Why does Yea Forums always goes crazy when villains try to seduce heroes?

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>So two-thirds of the manga was released in a year?
No. Neither was the rest of Akame ga Kill. That one took over a year, nearly two years.
What the hell does that rigid timeframe even contribute?

>We do know that he gave them hints for an ending, which means that he had an ending in mind and then altered his own.
No, we don't. How do you get from "He gave them outlines" to "He altered what he had in mind". That's a non-sequitur if I ever saw one.

Stop whining because you got invested and then hurt. If the manga made you feel, it's accomplished its goal. Stop feeling offended because it didn't give you your happy ending.

>Stop whining because you got invested and then hurt.
More like I questioned why the author bothered to introduce characters, have them do nothing, then die. Wash rinse repeat for five or more characters

>I questioned why the author bothered to introduce characters, have them do nothing, then die
To make you react in an emptional way. And you demonstrated that it worked.
Besides, all the characters did something, both narratively and meta-narratively.

>No, it isn't. And you yourself admitted that you can't remember the facts. Yet you felt compelled to make an incorrect statement anyway.
Even if we considered that statement of yours an opinion, you cannot possibly have an opinion on something you don't remember.

I admitted that because it was irrelevant to what I was trying to say, and you may say that I was wrong, in which case I concede because I'm not an expert, but that does not necessarily mean that what I said was wrong because it's an opinion which can be taken as true.

You can have an opinion on anything if you assume anything or apply what you think to that.

>Identical? Do you know what that word means? The anime didn't even have all the characters from the manga. And it didn't give them identical personalities or character arcs, just more or less similar ones.
>As for the artwork, how the hell do you call it identical? There's a clear difference in style.
But most importantly, even if I granted you all of that identity ... how exactly would that influence the anime's ending?

It's a vague statement. You assumed that I meant the specific things that you thought, such as overall art-style, but I didn't. I could've meant specific artwork which is similar or identical, personalities, names, relics, powers, and such.

As I said, you don't seem to understand how our opinions may differ in terms of standpoints in things.

>how exactly would that influence the anime's ending?

Anything that overlaps is evidence that there could've been knowledge beforehand, but one can't be certain.

>We know what wasn't: The things that were clearly different.

Of course.

>introduce characters, have them do nothing, then die
did that happen with any of the characters?

Here’s a WaveXSeryu lemon I wrote.

Gonna try and get my pregnant MineXDragon Tatsumi lemon back up.

m.fanfiction.net/s/13433616/1/Justice-Tsunami

>No, we don't. How do you get from "He gave them outlines" to "He altered what he had in mind". That's a non-sequitur if I ever saw one.

He gave them whichever outline he had in mind, and then altered (as in changed course from the anime).

Anyone want to join the discord? It’s great. We shittalk Esdeath all the time.

reddit.com/r/AkameGaKILL/comments/dqnpsn/official_rakamegakill_discord/

>it was irrelevant to what I was trying to say
Except it wasn't, it very much was your whole point.

>does not necessarily mean that what I said was wrong because it's an opinion which can be taken as true.
We are talking about the different endings. You made a false claim about them and then rambled on about what you think applies in those cases. (Yes, that's your opinion, which in theory can still be true or false. If your opinion was that frogs don't exist, your opinion is false.)
The thing is that nothing of what you think should apply does apply here, because what you pretend happens in the anime ending did not happen.

>I could've meant specific artwork which is similar or identical, personalities, names, relics, powers, and such.
Okay, and how exactly would that influence the anime's ending?

>Anything that overlaps is evidence that there could've been knowledge beforehand
EVIDENCE there COULD have been? Could you possibly be more relativistic. Anything COULD have been. Fact is, there wasn't, because we do know that there only ever was an outline shared, and that the anime took its liberties anyway with parts of the manga that already existed. It was never meant to be a 1-to-1 adaptation, and the writers didn't need all ending details. Which they weren't given. I don't know how often I have to explain what "outline" means.

>Of course.
Then why do you claim that things that were different (like Mine dying) were the author's original plan that he then changed for no reason? You're really not making any good point here.

>He gave them whichever outline he had in mind, and then altered (as in changed course from the anime).
You're literally a retard.
No, he didn't change the outline - the manga ending used the very same outline he gave to the anime guys. The details, which he didn't share, were different.

If you don't stop pretending that "outline" and "detailled plot" are the same, I will consider your rambling mere bait and not continue to respond.

>Anyone want to join the discord?
No. Fuck off.

>Except it wasn't, it very much was your whole point.

But it was irrelevant. Unless you agree that choreography is more relevant than everything else.

>We are talking about the different endings. You made a false claim about them and then rambled on about what you think applies in those cases. (Yes, that's your opinion, which in theory can still be true or false. If your opinion was that frogs don't exist, your opinion is false.)
>The thing is that nothing of what you think should apply does apply here, because what you pretend happens in the anime ending did not happen.

I don't understand what you're arguing about. The stuff I said afterwards just increased the irrelevancy of my vague opinion.

>EVIDENCE there COULD have been? Could you possibly be more relativistic. Anything COULD have been. Fact is, there wasn't, because we do know that there only ever was an outline shared, and that the anime took its liberties anyway with parts of the manga that already existed. It was never meant to be a 1-to-1 adaptation, and the writers didn't need all ending details. Which they weren't given. I don't know how often I have to explain what "outline" means.

But the problem is that you're claiming to know exactly what that outline contains if you claim that the writers didn't know x, y or z during the ending. An outline contains details, just as much as details can contain details. We can't just assume an outline can only contain what you think it does, we can only infer based on what we've seen what has happened with it, but we can't conclude.

>Then why do you claim that things that were different (like Mine dying) were the author's original plan that he then changed for no reason? You're really not making any good point here.

>like Mine dying

That's not what I said about Mine dying, and you're just assuming it wasn't the author who made that decision for the anime, even if it's unlikely.

Read my response above regarding outline.

Man, can you imagine if the original manga was as risque as Zero?

Also, opinions on Mez?

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Sweaty brown tomboy; what's not to love?

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Remember Lubbock? He was the only good character

>But it was irrelevant.
Then your whole point was irrelevant. Great.

>Unless you agree that choreography is more relevant than everything else.
Agree with whom? And, no, the details of the fights aren't "choreography". Remember how Leone dies in the manga? And the anime? That's not a matter of choreography.

>The stuff I said afterwards just increased the irrelevancy of my vague opinion.
Great, your points and opinions are, according to you, irrelevant. Yet you stated them. Next time, think before you write and omit what you yourself deem irrelevant.

>the problem is that you're claiming to know exactly what that outline contains if you claim that the writers didn't know x, y or z
I'm not claiming that. But I think it's way more sensible to assume that the outline did not contain things that the anime did differently, instead of doing what you are doing and assume that it MUST have contained all those details and the author MUST have changed his mind later.
Occam's razor. You made the preposterous claim, you carry the burden of proof for why someone would give out all information on what he's planning and then just change it for the sake of being different, as opposed to just not giving out that information in the first place and never have to change anything.

>you're just assuming it wasn't the author who made that decision for the anime, even if it's unlikely.
You're the one claiming that it was the author and that he then changed his mind - mere months later when he put her into a coma instead. And you really think that that's more likely than him giving the anime writers some liberty?

>Read my response above regarding outline.
Okay, you are a retard or a troll. Either way, time to drop this debate. You're not seeing reason. You won't get any reply by me anymore.

>boss didn't even care that guy died
ha ha, lubbock

d-dont remind me

AkG feels like it would have really benefited from more ambiguity. When you're taking down a nation state, good people are going to be caught on both sides of the civil war, no matter how bad one (or both) side may be.

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>benefited from more ambiguity.
>good people are going to be caught on both sides of the civil war
You mean like Mez here?
It had plenty of ambiguity. You just missed it.

>Also, opinions on Mez?
See She deserved better.

Honestly, Mez in Zero is kinda a different character than the one in the main manga. Zero Mez actually cares about others, for one, and beats people up rather than outright killing them (usually, her teammates are the ones who finish them off).

>Agree with whom? And, no, the details of the fights aren't "choreography". Remember how Leone dies in the manga? And the anime? That's not a matter of choreography.

Those are specific plot-points. Are you saying that it this holds greater importance than a character's personality or capabilities?

I could go on and on, you can nitpick differences, but you can also nitpick similarities. I said this in my original argument, you can go back and read it and see that it hasn't changed. The point, which you seem to miss, is that you can never know whether these differences or similarities were intended or not, because you were not sitting at a desk in the studio that made the anime.

>Great, your points and opinions are, according to you, irrelevant. Yet you stated them. Next time, think before you write and omit what you yourself deem irrelevant.

Great, you once again, miss the point, for the hundredth time.

>I'm not claiming that. But I think it's way more sensible to assume that the outline did not contain things that the anime did differently, instead of doing what you are doing and assume that it MUST have contained all those details and the author MUST have changed his mind later.
>Occam's razor. You made the preposterous claim, you carry the burden of proof for why someone would give out all information on what he's planning and then just change it for the sake of being different, as opposed to just not giving out that information in the first place and never have to change anything.

Perhaps you're not claiming this, but you're assuming it. Do you want me to explicitly point out where? I'll help you:

>and the writers didn't need all ending details.

This is an assumption. What details are you talking about? Of course they knew the ending details of their specific outline.

Good call, time to drop the debate.

stupid speedwatcher

>Honestly, Mez in Zero is kinda a different character than the one in the main manga.
No, she isn't. She's just elaborated on more and you see her through the perspective of those on her side.
She was already pretty nice in the main manga and was compelled to kill Lubbok out of mere necessity, even flirting with him and stating that she'd rather not kill him.

And, really, she's only one of many not-so-bad characters that just happen to fight for the wrong side. Like Bols.

>Of course they knew the ending details of their specific outline.
>details of their specific outline
You still haven't gotten your had around the fact that an outline is called "outline" because it doesn't have details.
You cannot be this retarded. You must be a troll, troll.

no, i did in pathfinder kingmaker.

>And somehow Yea Forums loved it
Yea Forums is retarded what's your point

>Yea Forums is retarded
Go back to your echochamber, please.

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>Go back to your echochamber
oh the irony

Calling Yea Forums an echochamber when there's practically no common opinion on anything and literally everything gets argued over, and when no one can vote down even a retard like you spouting shit, makes it very clear where you are coming from.

>Calling Yea Forums an echochamber
listen you retard getting all assblasted that someone disagrees with you and doesn't think Yea Forums opinion is worth much means you are the one treating Yea Forums like your hugbox you're the one who wants Yea Forums to be an echochamber you fucking faggot

>getting all assblasted
Seeing things that aren't there, little troll?

Imagine if Esdese had been turned into a sex slave. Such a waste.

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You need to go back to where you came from. I bet you weren't even in the threads when the manga was still airing were you. Retarded newfag

Again why no pregnant Esdeath doujins?

>Is it really so wrong to want to fuck a powerful, attractive villain?
of course not

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she was a cute, energetic antagonist. Especially entertaining in Zero, where she got more scenes(I especially liked the ones where she seemed to force herself into the main group, and her desire for attention from her father).
I also thought the Boomshakalakas were fun villains ability-wise

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Tsukushi and her big titties are criminally overlooked

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Aniki was better

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He was Stockholm'd, and would have been fine with being her partner had she sides which he half tried very half assed. Really had he been picked up by Esdeath or trained by Ogre he'd probably have had a far different view of the revolutionaries. Instead they had him go into the city and demand a officer position on his first day, before get kidnapped by the murder oujo that skinned his friends.

This. Its all looks.

think the added risque-ness came from the artist, Toru-K?
I recall him drawing some pretty lewd fanart back in the day

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Wait he was raped?

Esdeath stole a kiss the moment she met Tatsumi for the first time in the tourney (where everyone could see), then Mine paid back by having baby making sex with him.

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>the MC would never have a relationship with her without seriously compromising his convictions
Wrong. He only wished for a world without suffering. Suffering is born from weakness. She could bring about such world by turning it into a world of the strong. He just couldn't understand that.

What happened?

Read it again user. The empire's normal citizens loved her since she protected them from rebelling minority and foreign invaders. Only rebels hated her.

tats is a wimp if he was traumatized by a kiss and 1 hug in a bedroom .

>The empire's normal citizens loved her since she protected them
She killed her own soldiers, retard. She protected no one but herself.

>She killed her own soldiers
She didn't. She valued them and they worshiped her.

>She didn't.
Seems you have to read it again. She killed them in cold blood (pun not intended) and considered them collateral damage.

when was this?

I don't fucking get the revolution. What will toppling the empire do when everyone was corrupt from the top to bottom? What will anyone do when parts of the empire break away and then war with neighbors.

The royal guard guy who the retarded Mine killed was the only true good guy. Esdeath just wanted to fight and could be pacified easily with fake campains and shit.

>Mirai Nikki
>Akame ga Kill
>Big Order
>Mato Seihei
Why so delicious dominant yandere girls?

You know what is more asinine? Najenda explicitly stated that one of the rebels' "strategy" was joining hands with the empire's disloyal lords to take the capital, like it's some super smart move.
When you do a revolution, one of the last thing you want is compromising with the remnants of the old corrupt ruling class. They represent everything wrong with the old regime and will just fuck up the new government with their outdated believes and corruption.

You just want someone who loves you unconditionally because even your mother, who is supposed to do that, does not do it.

died before he got /ss/'d. You just know Najenda was down to fuck after the war.

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Near the end, I believe. Not sure if it was when she used her attacks against Akame or some time before that.

When you do a revolution. The smartest thing to do is not tear down every institution and do changed moderately. By doing what the rebels are doing you get either the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution and it always end with a new authoritarian person in-charge who will usually plunge the country into a worse state of affairs.

Just killing Honest and creating a new internal police force literally would've solved a good 50% of the shit wrong with the Empire.

>By doing what the rebels are doing you get either the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution and it always end with a new authoritarian person in-charge who will usually plunge the country into a worse state of affairs.
Reminder that the French revolution inspired all other revolutions afterward in Europe and Russian revolution literally turned the ruskies from a backward agricultural shithole into a superpower.
Moderation has nothing to do with real revolutions where you need to tear down everything and start all anew.

I don't think Raba's young enough to be proper /ss/ material

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Well, Honest and his regime were supposed to be the worst part of it.
The rest of the empire wasn't supposed to be totally corrupt, though there was a lot of corruption around.
With new leadership, they'd now have the means to punish/oust a lot of the corrupt leaders around the country.

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You're fucking retarded if you think the Russians were backward agriculture shithole still during the time of the revolution. You have no understanding of revolutions or history.

>Their "love story" doesnt make any sense.
Who cares? She's hot.

The entire show was written around her. Once it was clear the protag was too gay to go for it the story turned bizarre.

>She's hot.
No. She's cold. Literally.
I'm astounded by how many manchildren can have this bad a taste.

The revolution also supported a cult who wanted to break away from the nation. Mine wants the western part to break off too. Fuck the revolutionaries for wanting to dismantle the empire.

>He doesn't think Esdeath was best girl.
GAAAAAAAAAAAaaAAAAAAAAAAAAY

She was the single strongest person in the story if they just got her to sit this one out and smooch tatsumi on some beach The war would be settled.

What the fuck was the author thinking making the titular protagonist completely irrelevant and not the main girl to win? He's doing the same shit with Hinowa ga something where the story is now about some gay ass katana wielding boy and his crush on the "I'm pure on every level" princess.

He better not fuck up Mato Seihei.

Yeah, none of the other girls even measured up. Story felt so fucking empty and pointless once I realized what was going to happen.

>The war would be settled.
She's still a psychopath who wants to kill, no matter what. Her morals don't allign with those of the rebels, and she supports the Empire because they approve of her madness.

>madness
Dude, she just needed some dick.

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Leone was best girl IMO.

>He better not fuck up Mato Seihei.
There will be fucking war if you want Kyouka alone to win. I'm gonna fuck you up bitch. Tenka is THE BEST.

>The rest of the empire wasn't supposed to be totally corrupt, though there was a lot of corruption around.
There is nothing supporting this statement.

Lenin was the one starting to industrialize it, revisionist user.

The manchildren are those who'd rather choose a girl with the body of a literal 12yo boy over her.

mine winning the bowl will forever be my favourite SEETHING moment

You sound very insecure, user. Are you alright?

Many greater warlords and conquerors in history were famous for their killing spree. A ruthless leader is absolutely needed in times of wars and chaos. It's the rebels who need to appease to her to gain her support. She actually held no loyalty to the empire, she could be used as a weapon, for an either good or bad cause.

But I don't want Kyouka to win she's boring. I personally like Hiimari and Nei. So either one of them winning is okay. Shushu and Tenka is boring.

If only Takahiro made Akame ga Kill an eroge
there would be an esdese route

See: Esdeath literally told Honest that he's only fighting for him because:

1. Tats won't give her the cock.
2. He promises to give her a battle worth fighting for.

Just give her something to fight in and she'll be happy. Permanent happiness like in fairy tales after the rebels win wasn't going to happen anyway especially since pretenders to the throne exist, Honest loyalist, those who don't like the rebels, people who promise to break away, etc.

Esdeath is a perfect tool to re-establish order and society. Hell the only reason the empire literally didn't collapse under Honest the worst fucking Prime Minister to exist was because of the Royal Guard doing damage control and the Army being under Esdeath control prevented things from getting out of hand.

It's less she wanted to fight, and more she wanted to hunt. It's what she was raised to be, a predator in a Darwinist game.

>It's the rebels who need to appease to her to gain her support.
No. They don't need her support. And they definiely don't need her killing their own people no matter whose side she's on.

>Just give her something to fight in and she'll be happy.
Esdesefags are actually deluded enough to believe that.

The fact that she refuses to change her ideology just for the man she loves would tell me that any relationship she'd have would not last long at all, unless she's able to push her ideology aside.

>she wasn't a doormat, therefore it'd fail
Do virgins actually believe this?

You do realize nobody is asking for her to be a doormat right?

Are you even reading what that user wrote? Edgetrash massacred entire towns, tortured civilians and their families and allowed her army to rape and kill civilians pretty much wherever the Empire's army went. That was beyond just a "ruthless ruler", having her on their side would make the rebels indistinguishable from the Empire in the citizen's, the neighboring Kingdom who became the rebels circumstancial allies and even most of the rebel soldiers themselves. She needed to be put down like the rabid bitch she was and that's final.

>dude, she needs to just alter or suppress her core identity
What would you call it then?

>Its like a successful man who wants a virgin.
More like a succesful man wanting some common whore.

But she was hot, so all is forgiven.

Edgeeshit wasn't best anything you faggot, she was the worst among a pretty good female cast.

Then how the fuck would you want a relationship to go with her if you don't want her to change?

If the rebel were willing to ally themselves with local nobles of the empire, who were also part of the oppressive ruling class, they had no right to declare the moral high ground. Who could possibly believe in their "morals" if they refused to accept one monster but were open for other monsters?

>pretty good female cast
Bro, you need to get those standards fixed.

>He thinks this is a deal breaker.
Fag.

>They don't need her support.
With her support, much less people would be killed and the country would be much more stable after the war. Instead they killed their strongest war potential, making their country prone to foreign invasions.
>And they definiely don't need her killing their own people no matter whose side she's on.
Tell her to kill people outside their borders. Just that simple.

Tatsumi needed to change his childish worldview, not her.

Why wouldn't it be a dealbreaker is my question to you. As much as I like her, I just don't think a relationship with her would work, and it would be mainly because of Esdeath herself.

The question is why do you think it'll be a problem? She's quite literally a blank slate as it is, besides how she was raised. You could straight up tell her, "This is how a relationship is," so long as you don't make her give up her beliefs.

Stop peddling thos bullshit. People banded together as rebels to fight the Empire primarily because of honest and her. Everyone resents her and her presence would never lead to stability, not even in short term. Did you even read the manga or just skipped every panel without Edgetrash since you couldn't fap to them? A lot of people joined the rebels specifically to murder her.

>Edgetrash massacred entire towns, tortured civilians and their families and allowed her army to rape and kill civilians pretty much wherever the Empire's army went.
Nope. She didn't do that to the empire's civilians. She just explicitly did that to the rebel forces in the North, who were ethnics and basically not actual part of them empire. She did so to deter other parts of the empire from rebelling for independence, which would greatly threaten its stability otherwise.

Just beat her up. She belives might makes right. Tatsumi may have been the man she loved, but he could never beat her thus she was always right.

You are weak and do not understand the rule of the strong.

And you wonder why Esdeath couldn't win Tatsumi's heart.

She did nothing wrong. Fuck traitors they deserved to be raped and exterminated. Those soldiers were loyal patriots to the nation. You do not tolerate betrayal in the slightest and must do everything to stomp it out.

>her core identity
It's called a "mental illness", retard.

If I already had someone I loved, I wouldn't budge
A man's got to have some integrity. Once a cheater, always a cheater, so I strive to never break that.

>Tatsumi needed to change his childish worldview
Why? He is the one who succeeded in the end. She didn't. Whose worldview do you think was more accurate?

>People banded together as rebels to fight the Empire primarily because of honest and her.
No. It's because they were greedy power hungry opportunists who wanted the power for themselves. Otherwise they would have no reason to execute the child emperor who was just a tragic victim who was used by Honest and whose parents were also killed by him. History doesn't view those who killed children to consolidate power kindly.
>Everyone resents her and her presence would never lead to stability
Stop speedreading. Reread the part where Leone tried to ambush her. She noted that civilians loved and adored her because she protected them.
>A lot of people joined the rebels specifically to murder her.
Sore losers don't represent the majority of people. If they thought she wronged them, they should have challenged her for an one one one combat instead of sticking to each other to fight her in hordes like cowards.

Tatsumi wasn't a two-bit psychopath or an indiscriminate murderer like her, so no. Even if his convictions were immature or incomplete, they were still infinitely better than her caricature of an ideology. Also, who changes their convictions because of a woman? What kind of fucking simp move is that?

>It's because they were greedy power hungry opportunists who wanted the power for themselves.
Lowly rebel footsoldiers were "greedy power hungry opportunists". Interesting. Because none of those gained any power from the revolution.

>Sore losers don't represent the majority of people.
The only sore looser is Esdese herself.

Did Tatsumi "success" because of his kindness? In the end it's a more bullshit power that beat Esdeath and Najenda ended up ruling the empire with an iron fist after violently overthrowing the old empire and fucking murdering its emperor along with his loyalists. Just accept it user, their actions ended up proving that her worldview was right all along.

>an indiscriminate murderer like her
She didn't kill indiscriminately. She only killed rebels and criminals.
>who changes their convictions because of a woman?
The reason he needed to change his belief was because it's too immature. You mature up as you age.

Unironically this. The revolution wasn't won with hearts and minds for reformation. It was won through a bloody coup and purging anyone who didn't agree with their world views and making concessions to corrupt nobles.

Night Raid/Rebels weren't heroes. They were terrorist and the bad guys.

Nigga, there was a chapter where it was shown she kept a huge torture chamber full of civilians and their fucking families (yes, women and children included) inside the fucking Empire's capital. Nobody liked that whore except for her soldiers, everyone else hated her guts for very justified reasons, and the rebel leadership knew this.

>Nooo you can't torture rebel children and families
Cry harder

The city they went to during the religious organization assassination story arc was said to be pretty nice.

Wave & Tatsumi were also largely unaware of the corruption until they went to the capital because their hometowns were pretty peaceful

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It's a pity hardly anyone cared about Zero.

I blame Psylocke Scans for dropping it

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The author made an apology manga because even he knew he fucked up.

>Implying Kyouka is Esdeath
Bruh

Also it got picked up by Yen Press

the Yea Forums threads were the best part of following the manga

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>she kept a huge torture chamber full of civilians
They are criminals.
>everyone else hated her guts for very justified reasons
Read
>Stop speedreading. Reread the part where Leone tried to ambush her. She noted that civilians loved and adored her because she protected them.

Ah, Akame ga kill.

That shit was clearly a huge garbage, but the
>Mine won
parts were fun and the two pic related were god-tier.

Never watched the anime.

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They should've fucked in the island.

Wave should've been the main character

>she only killed rebels and criminals
And innocent civilians that Honest told her to kill because they were "rebels" too. It's like you're completely ignoring she was Honest's psycho hound who willingly jailed, tortured and killed Honest's political adversaries for the crimes of opposing his incompetence and wasteful spending. She burned too many bridges among anyone but Honest cronies.

>The reason he needed to change his belief was because it's too immature
No version of his beliefs is worse than Edgedeath's ridiculously cartoonish ideology, so why would he change by conceding to her?

Is it worth reading the manga? Apparently it's garbage, but is it fun garbage?

So many characters wasted by very early deaths

As long as she doesn't kill as many people and wastes as much resources as Honest, his bitch Edgetrash and his cronies, then Najenda is objectively an improvement.

Never argue with a retarded Esdeshitter. They're all underage, have no taste and can't even understand what they're reading.

Chelsea was arguably the worst case of "character wasted by very early death". Leone basically survived the entire manga until they decided to kill her for no reason.

>Edgetrashshitters will justify anything their shitty waifu does regardless of how heinous because muh waifu
She deserved everything that happened to her and putting her down was the right move. It's a shame she died so fast because she should've gotten Honest's treatment or worse.

I don't know if it's just me but her death in the anime and the manga were so fucking anti-climatic.

>Muh bloody civil wars, terrorism, and revolutions are better because the evil lady hurt my fee fees
The state of this thread will never found a working nation.

>she should've gotten Honest's treatment or worse
To be honest (kek), Honest and Edgedeath are on the same league. Both of them are cartoonish lolsoevul characters with terrible writing. Redditards only like her because of the big boobs and the retarded femdom bullshit.

>T-they're criminals
Really? The children were criminals because of something their parents did (which for the most part was just opposing Honest).

>Apparently it's garbage
It isn't. Stop listening to redditors who come here to shitpost.

>It isn't.
What makes it soooo good then?

Read it. You'll see.

>The children were criminals because of something their parents did
Not him, but this is literally how it worked in real life until the 1900s. There is nothing wrong with this. Children are the sin of their parents and family, there is nothing that can change this.

This is why you can literally execute the children of monarchist when the dynasty falls. Otherwise why would the rebel execute the Emperor who was a 12 year old boy whose parents were murdered by Honest?

>It's good because I said so
Okay

The revolution and terrorism etc are just a phase, nigger. If after consolidating power Najenda and her regime at least aren't as depraved and indiscriminately murderous as Honest, Edgebitch and her cronies, then they're an objective improvement over the previous regime and that's final.

Make up your own mind, retard. Don't demand that others explain to you why you should like something.
This isn't MAL.

> The children were criminals because of something their parents did
Nooo you can't just kill the children!

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I STILL haven't heard what makes it sooo good for YOU, retard, but oh well.

I want a spinoff where Najenda becomes a dictator. That would be way more interesting than whatever is going on in the sequel

Guys, guys, you're on Yea Forums

We're all fucking manchildren

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>what makes it sooo good for YOU
Compelling characters. Esay to emotionally connect with. And entertaining battles.
Satisfied? Now stop being an idiot who cares more about what others think than about making up one own's mind.

Then you agree on the rebels doing nothing wrong? Right? And the problem isn't just her murdering children (which by the way according to some other Edgetrashfag automatically deligitimizes her in the eyes of history), but the fact that far too many people aming the rebels, the neighboring Kingdoms and even citizens had a legitimate grudge with her to make her any kind of helpful figure worth keeping alive after the revolution. They didn't need her, and killing/torturing her like they did with Honest was a necessary act of catharsis.

Excuse me?!
I'm an antisocial introvert virgin. Mind your pronouns.

Esdeath was wrong for being an amoral bitch who liked war. The Rebels were wrong for being traitors and being as bad as Esdeath.

Both sides are wrong. The real losers however were those who wanted to reform the Empire, but didn't put enough effort to crush the rebels and Esdeath and allowed their guy to be killed by Mine.

Fuck Esdeath and fuck Mine they were both trashy hoes who needed to be killed.

>Fuck Esdeath and fuck Mine they were both trashy hoes who needed to be killed.
A man of culture. Turbo agree.

Nice try, but the kid is only one boy (who actually piloted a robot that killed numerous soldiers and civilians alike) who was viewed as the head of a corrupt regime, vs hundreds if not thousands of children killed by that fat bitch Honest/Shitdead who hadn't done anything except being in the political crossfire as far we know. It's not even close to the same thing.

Have we EVER decided which of the canon pairs did it better?

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did he break up with the pink one?

>The Rebels were wrong for being traitors and being as bad as Esdeath.
That's bullshit. They were certainly morally grey, but none of them was even remotely as depraved as Esdese.

Exactly the same for me except for the virgin part.

get out.

I can't. I'm trapped here forever.

I think we can all agree Leone was best girl

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Tatsumi was a fag for not smashing that, desu senpai.

Most protagonists are fags, yeah.

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Leone's general attitude and nature made her best girl. Everyone was either a huge cunt or crazy.

Leone would be a great friend, but not that great a romantic interest.

I'd look forward to the erotic bad ends for all the girls instead, myself

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It’s impossible to decide because they were both so equally good. Also notice how wave and Tatsumi both decided to go for a short small chested girl?

I know(I bought most of the volumes).
But I think interest on Yea Forums(which I'll admit was always a little low) dwindled, because we didn't have people dumping chapters in the regular AgK threads.

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Grand Chariot looked fucking great.

Such a pity we so rarely got to see it

Imagine having Leone piggyback carry you home after you've been drinking together or carrying her. She would be a fun drinking partner.

Pretty much. It's dumb, but it can be really entertaining(which, a lot of the time is the most you can hope for from a manga).
It's just a pity you won't be able to experience it alongside Yea Forums as that was one of the best parts

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Yes. What was wrong with Tatsumi for not going for her?

No arguments here.

Im assuming Akame finds a way to revert Tats dragon form in the sequel manga and thats how they end up with kids

Maybe he just isn't into breasts as much as we are? He rejected both Leone and Esdeath who have pretty amazing boobs

But unlike Esdeath, Leone is a great girl.

True. Leone and Sheele are by far my favourites. They seemed like the only mellow people out of the entire cast

No. Tatsumi simply knocked up Mine before turning into a dragon. Akame is looking for a cure in the sequel though.

I think nearly every antagonist in AgK that got built up for any length of time tended to get an underwhelming death

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Minefags are just as bad as Esdeathfags. She's a shitty tsundere you always get.

I really liked Najenda and Chelsea besides Schele and Leone. Also, Akame should have won all things considered.

The last page says kids not kid though. Presumably Akame is going to succeed allowing multiple kids

I can't remember any of the antagonists personalities in Akame ga Kill except maybe Honest or the scientist guy. Honest could've been great if expanded on more but everyone else including the teleporter guy was really bland

>forgetting loli rape clown

that was a fan translation, the official one says they only had one.

>AgK was 10 years ago

He was being fed lies by corrupt people. He thought he was doing the right thing the whole time

Which is fucking retarded really.
>They seemed like the only mellow people out of the entire cast
Yeah they really are. Especially Leone.

The problem with kid emperor was that he was too deep in shit and too many people in the Empire were wronged by him and Honest's regime. Most people wouldn't have forgiven him just because the rebels and him claimed he was being manipulated.

All they needed to do was say he was being held hostage especially since the rebels killed his bodyguard and the guy who was going to reform the empire before they fucked it all up.

A reminder you will never get hugged by Schele.

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There were witness of him piloting a genocidal robot, so that train left the station a long time ago.

The robot has a will of its own just like Tats stupid dragon sword.

The Emperor was the figurehead of the old regime/nation. They need rid of him to fully end the previous nation

Probably Miine, as her relationship with Tatsumi was something that seemed to evolve quite naturally through the series, whereas Kurome pretty much just got stabbed and transformed into a vulnerable moeblob for Wave to get protective over

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well, she was pretty good anyway

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>They seemed like the only mellow people out of the entire cast
Really? I thought Aniki, Raba, Susanoo, Najenda, and Bols were all pretty mellow for the most part

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Best doujin too

really? I remember Kurome, Syura, Budo, Wave, Bols, Esdeath etc's personalities fairly well

>Milf Kurome
Just wow.

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That's not saying much, the series really lacked for doujins

It probably would have gotten more of those had it been a VN of comparable success.

>The robot has a will of its own
>implying that anyone else would know about that.
as far as the other side knows he was doing shit of his own free will.

I want a dating sim of Akame ga Kill just for a Leone route.

I'd probably start with Mine or maybe Chelsea, but eventually go through all routes ... except for the shitty Esdese one (that probably woulodn't even be a thing in the first place).

Akame would probably be a lot of fun especially if you win her over with her love of meat.

Probably, yeah. But with her being the "main girl", I'd be discouraged from picking her first.
Also, she survives either way. For someone like Chelsea or Leone, you'd have the incentive to save them by picking their routes.

Makes sense having Akame be the first route then branching into the others on a different play through.

Takahiro is a shit tier writer. Don't expect good things from the hack.

>TFW no doujins of
-Vanilla Tatsumi/Mine or Wave/Kurome
-Esdeath Domming Tatsumi
-Leone bully/fucking Tatsumi
-Najenda pity-fucking Raba
-Raba eloping with the brown Boomshakala
-Mine/Tatsumi/Scheele threesome
-Akame/Leone's sapphic adventures
-Kurome/Akame incest goodness
-Vanilla romance between Justice and one of the other city guards who's oblivious to how crazy she is
-Chelsea teasing Tatsumi sexually then falling for him
-Esdeath raping Mine with an ice dildo
-Esdeath domming the Prince of the Northern tribes
>Syura & Honest raping their way through most of the female cast
-Kurome carrying out creepy orgies with her puppets
-More people Meeting Dog
-The gravekeepers succesfully impregnating most of the girls in Zero
-Dr Stylish modified soldiers gangbanging the Night Raid girls

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I want at least a Leone and Esdeath threesome doujin. Those two would be the wildest combination.

and i want a doujin in which tatsumi fucks mine while she is 9 months pregnant with his child.

The robot needed a royal blood line descendant to be used. It's basically the same thing as him doing it a propos, and it would certainly seem that way to the citizens who witnessed it.

Does Honest even have any relatives alive or a secret relative appear in the sequel manga? Could make for an interesting twist

>Esdeath just wanted to fight and could be pacified easily with fake campains and shit.
This is why I like her. It's rare to see a champion of Khorne among the antagonists.

This. All the remnants of the old Empire's pillars needed to go, including Honest, Esdeath, and of course, the Emperor.

Fuck you, op. Villain x hero pairings are based

>I don't fucking get the revolution
Because there is nothing to get.
It's a fairy tale-tier lala magic which will fix everything.

Why did everyone die?

Not everyone died. About half of Night Raid lived.

I'm not caught up with the sequel, but not that I know off.

It's a fairy tail solution to a cartoonishly evil empire with cartoonishly evil irredeemable pieces if shit like Honest and Edgetrash at the helm. I'd say it was fitting.

Agreed.There are so many mediocre series that would make great premise for doujins. That one anime about the crazy candy girl has a doujin with a better ending the the actual manga.

>The royal guard guy who the retarded Mine killed was the only true good guy.
He did fuck all and was a fucking moron, the guy was basically an enabler.

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In his current state? Wow.
Fair enough, it's just clashes with an edgy tone.

How would Yea Forums fix akame ga kill?

Make Esdeath not broken and make combats more tactical (no killing intent detection, more planning and less forced 1 on 1 fights as they are supposed to be assassins). Basically, as Mine is a sniper let her snipe, Chelsea to actually be a threat with her stealth, each side try to outmaneuver the opposition to gang up on the target, etc... Mine still wins.

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No, Mez had a major murderboner in the original manga. She got pretty giddy over the thought of killing Rabac and that one witness, and it was Sten who held her back.

>Mine still wins.
why of course mine wins, mine is always a winner and best girl.

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yo that one dude got his nut squashed holy christ

>She got pretty giddy over the thought of killing Rabac
Not at all. She'd rather have fucked him.
As for her being a killer - sure, that's all of the characters in this manga.

Women say "nice smile" and shit like that when they're not aware of what they want. It's baby babble, women do that a lot.

Historically, a strongman ascending to power after a revolution tent to kill much more than the previous regime he overthrew, simply because he had a much bigger mess to deal with and many more oppositions to squash.

>And innocent civilians that Honest told her to kill because they were "rebels" too
Example please?
>so why would he change by conceding to her?
Because doing so would lead to a smaller death toll? The death of his comrades like Chelsea, Susanoo, Leone and many others were indirectly caused by his failure to join forces with her.

>The revolution and terrorism etc are just a phase
The problem is totalitarian regime never managed to pass that phase. Look at the USSR. It just turned into state terrorism.

he is gay

>Esdeathfags trying to justify the actions of their shitty waifu.

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But Esdese didn't execute children, only the rebels did so. Children died in her campaign as a collateral damage because their parents refused to surrender. It's like terrorists keeping children in their stronghold and airstrike hits them, you can't accuse the pilot of war crimes in that case. On the other hand, fucking publicly execute a 12yo is clearly a war crime, not even French revolutionaries executed Louis XVI's son.
>far too many people aming the rebels, the neighboring Kingdoms and even citizens had a legitimate grudge with her
Out of those three groups, the normal citizens loved her for protecting them from the 2 former groups. Those 2 were legitimate enemies of the empire.

The boy was deceived into believing what he did was right.

>not even French revolutionaries executed Louis XVI's son.
Louis XVI's son was not driving a massive mecha that fires nukes and shit.

>it's ok to scapegoat an innocent child because not doing so is bothersome
Then the rebels can't claim any moral high ground.

>Out of those three groups, the normal citizens loved her for protecting them from the 2 former groups. Those 2 were legitimate enemies of the empire.
Ice age

>a cartoonishly evil empire with cartoonishly evil irredeemable pieces if shit like Honest and Edgetrash at the helm
Read a few pages of actual history then. Mankind can be as fucked up as imagined, especially those with unaccountable power.

>In his current state? Wow.
ether state is fine just as long as he vaginally fucks a heavily pregnant mine balls deep.

>Then the rebels can't claim any moral high ground.
said child nuke his own troops, also threaten to kill civilians for running away.

Been reading it. It seems to be almost right after the epilogue give or take a few months. Akame makes it to not japan and is currently helping out one side of a civil war. Her main goal right now is to find a cure for her curse/condition and a way to turn Tatsumi human again. Overall its ok and has some decent elements. The cowardly general and the strategist who has a compulsion to fuck sea life/monsters to clear his head are great.

>It's like terrorists keeping children in their stronghold and airstrike hits them, you can't accuse the pilot of war crimes in that case.
Yes, you actually can, if said pilot knows that he's killing innocent hostages and there was a way to take out the terrorists in a more secure way.
But what was that example even supposed to be a parallel for in the story? Esdeath sacrificing her troops to get a single attack in on her opponent? Or the Emperor believing it's fine to kill his own people?

>Esdeath sacrificing her troops to get a single attack in on her opponent? Or the Emperor believing it's fine to kill his own people?
Don't forget esdeath was going to cause an ice age just to weed out the weak.

Ok call me crazy but didn't the emperor get drugged into a battle frenzy when the minister activated the alchemist enhancements? The control tube seems to get flooded with new fluid and his personality completely changes from the previous scenes.

>Akame ends up with Tatsumi after she turns him back to human
How possible would this be

No. She literally "No way fag's" Mera in the manga when she tries to kiss her. She's 100% heterosexual.

>Ok call me crazy but didn't the emperor get drugged into a battle frenzy when the minister activated the alchemist enhancements?
only honest and the grandma loli would know about that, as far as everyone else was considered he was nuking his own side for no reason and threatening to kill civilians for running away.

Right. But I don't think he could possibly mean that when he talks about causing a war crime by negligence, as Esdese actually had the explicit goal of killing innocents there. Then again, to Esdesefags, I guess, that's all the same anyway.

plus esdeath would be the type to kill children just to piss people off enough to come fight her, i mean she order her men to rape a village for the same reasons.

And you know for a fact the new Najenda regime is totalitarian because? It's pretty much just speculation at this point sibce the Empire hasn't been revisited in detail in the sequel.

Try convincing a large mob of citizens who just witnessed him mowing down his own city in a giant mech of that premise.

More like she's Tatsumisexual. She never showed any interest towards any of the other guys either.

If you paint "history" into this large broad and incredibly vague broad strokes, there's no counterexample I can possibly offer that will satisfy your standard of proof. Every example of a monarchy that was as repressive while being as corrupt and economically wasteful as AgK's Empire I can think off lasted very little, and it didn't even take a rebel army to topple it.

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Make both sides grayer instead of blatant black vs. white
>NR killed innocents as collateral damages
>Sheele and Leone killed random guys they deemed evil to release their stresses
>Mine used kids as hostages to kill Justice
>Gay dude was an actual shota predator
>Najenda brainwashed Tatsumi to join them

Neither did the kid. He was just the key. The machine acted on its own.

It's the rebels' fault for driving her to the corner. And she only did it to create a fair environment, not to intentionally massacre people.

Then he was actually innocent and wrongfully accused for crimes he didn't commit.

>And you know for a fact the new Najenda regime is totalitarian because?
Was she voted into office or took it by force? Did she have any plan to step down and hold a free election?

Then declare that he was dead and keep him away in a safe house far from the mob.

This could've been arranged, but my interpretation was that the rebels valued the fact that the people needed to see every figurehead of the old regime punished and dead and with a cadaver to show for it than just scoring moral points. Considering that probably saved them a lot of civil unrest, it was probably a good idea.
>inb4 b-but then they can't claim muh moral high ground, what about muh moral high ground, Anakin?
They don't need to be perfect goody two-shoes to be an improvement over the Empire, which is ultimately all they needed to be.

>Was she voted into office or took it by force? Did she have any plan to step down and hold a free election?
Irrelevant. Totalitarian isn't synonymous with undemocratic.

>It's the rebels' fault for driving her to the corner. And she only did it to create a fair environment, not to intentionally massacre people
Ah yes, because Edgeshit is totally the kind of cunt who only does extreme shit when deriven to a corner and not because she's a sahllow two-bit psychopath.

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It'd made more sense if Tatsumi were the one defeating esdeath.

>How would Yea Forums fix akame ga kill?
More rape

Nothing to see here, these are all combat-age men her force is massacring.

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That fact that in the manga he ends up with the pink haired bitchy girl

Definitely all an act of self-defense.

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This, Tatsumi alone should've been raped multiple times.

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>BETA BETA
Kek.

he should have probably at least been partially involved in her defeat.
He morphed into a bloody dragon about 5 feet away from her during the final battle and ended up having no effect

the power of *the smile* is a double-edged sword.

That one edit of this page never fails to crack me up

By the way, there's no other way to interpret this scan as Edgeshit ordering her soldier to massacre every man, woman AND children in this village with the exception of those warriors, so the faggot speedreader who claimed Shitdeath never ordered the execution of children can suck my fat hairy nuts.

give the countries names instead of just "the empire" or "western country"

Good taste, user.

5 posts to go.
Might as well bump.

The show was pure trash

I think so too.

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Esdeath should've raped Tatsumi until he was mind broken, her failure to do so ultimately led to her death and the destruction of the empire.

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Rakshasa turns me on so fucking much

Because Nip writers are obsessed with cartoonishly virtuous protagonists, like Western fairy tales, and betraying your ideals for a wet hole is a rarity even among the more troubled, down-to-earth heroes. Especially for shounen, where chaste heroes or chaste perverts are the norm.

I want to see a douj with Kurome being pumped with a lot of drugs.
It would be lore-friendly for a change.

>she's both a slut AND a bislut
Character utterly ruined.