Why do so many people on Yea Forums act like Fate/zero is one of the worst things ever...

Because Kiritsugu is arguably more retarded than Shiro and no one on the internet ever points that out

>Kiritsugu is more retarded than guy who charges at servants and leaves his servant at home in middle of HGW to do mundane things like shopping

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It's literally the opposite

>Iwakami: It started off with Aniplex working with Type-Moon to bring Fate to anime form with Fate/Zero and Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works. And not just the Fate series. In 2007, we did The Garden of Sinners movies. After we were done with Fate/Zero, we were talking with Takeshi Takeuchi of Type-Moon about a new way to develop Fate, and a smartphone game was one of the ideas that we came up with. So Type-Moon started working on Fate/Grand Order as one of the official numbered titles in the Fate series.

>Nasu: Many anime fans want there to be a lot of cute bishoujo characters in the work, and while they work hard to meet those needs, Iwakami, an important producer at Aniplex, wasn't satisfied just by doing that. I suggested that he tackle Fate/Zero, a dark and serious story full of raw emotion. He had the resolve, and that's how they ended up adapting Fate/Zero.

>However there was a problem: FGO was meant to be developed for smartphones, this became a problem for Nasu - the difference of platforms, that and mainly, Nasu did not own smartphones prior to this project, so he had no experience in smartphone games. Nasu's reason behind this was because smartphones are so convenient, that if he started using it he will then "turn useless as a result". So to change his mindset, Takeuchi bought him a smartphone, and one day when Nasu goes to work as usual, he saw a smartphone being placed on his desk, with games installed for him. The games Nasu then used to refer for the project would be "Chain Chronicles" and "Brave Frontier". It was then Nasu discover the potential of smartphone games. This would then aligned with the vision Takeuchi wanted as well since Type-Moon wanted to catch up with the times, the times where a visual novel games for the niched would then shuffled and moved into current times - where people can access and game and anywhere, anytime.

Takeuchi wanted Zero and FGO so he is literally /ourguy/

It's popular therefore it's bad.

I enjoyed it but I'm a total secondary who doesn't really care about the franchise.
I also found it very funny that one of the characters was a child serial killer that became best friends with an even more insane magician.

Fate/Zero is not hated, zerofags are.

>Why do so many people on Yea Forums act like Fate/zero is one of the worst things ever?
mainstream crap

Because it's the main point of attraction of anime only niggers who believe that starting with Zero is a good thing for some reason.
Also they make Zero look way better than it actually is: a mediocre prequel.

>I enjoyed it but I'm a total secondary who doesn't really care about the franchise.

All you need to know is that Zero sets up Stay Night. The story basically separates at a point early on into each of the three routes. Each route have the same setting and characters, but completely different stories and themes. It's just about splitting up parts of the characterization between routes, and not giving the reader the full answer in the first route. They must be played in that order as they build off of the previous route.

Fate has 3 story arcs:

>0. Rin's Prologue
>1. Fate
>2. UBW
>3. Heaven's Feel

The secondary meme came from the UBW anime threads. Anime only people asked questions that were already answered in the Fate route or people complaining about things that were continued in the other two routes (Saber and Gil, Matou Family, Illya and the Einzberns, Kotomine and Angra Mainyu), so threads were spammed with "read the VN"

>sets up Fate stay
You mean spoiler half of fate vn

Illya did NOTHING wrong

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Fate Zero was meant to be read after one plays Fate/Stay Night and it's fandisk.

From the latest interview with Sanda Makoto (Lord El-Melloi Case Files II) and Urobuchi Gen (Fate/Zero)
>Urobuchi: I thought that Fate/Zero was a story you couldn't understand without playing Fate/Stay Night. Suprisingly there are people coming to Fate through Fate/Zero. However, because it's a story that plays with the spoilers of Fate/Stay Night, unless you read stay night first there is a lot presented you won't understand or identify. That's why for a while I declined allowing anyone but Type-Moon Books to publish it.

I think the Fate experience is fairly ruined nowadays, ironically due to the success of the ufotable adaptations. Fate route has two strong points going for it:

1) World building
2) The little mystery subplot Saber's identity through hints from the scattered dream sequences.

Both of these are more or less lost from anyone whose introduction to the Nasuverse comes from Zero. The Fate route is going to feel redundant and a drag to complete since its biggest reveal is treated as if it were common knowledge nowadays and the world is already built for those who watched the anime.

That's why they skipped it for UBW

Fate fags being retarded is nothing new.

Imagine if F/Z didn't exist
>there would be no secondaries
>there would be no FGO
>Nasu would still be actually writing new stuff

Are you fuckers ever happy with ANYTHING?

>You bitch about how every Tsukihime heroine maintains stable relationships with other major and minor characters, but Arcueid is an island and that doesn't affect her in any kind of harmful way
>You bitch about Nasu deciding to focus on curry instead of doing something interesting with Ciel's character and ruining Kohaku from KT and on by turning her into a lolrandumbxD caricature of her original self
>You bitch about Nasu never mentioning anything about the other members of the Tohno, Akiha says she send them away and told them to stay back after Makihisa died, but nothing else is ever said about them
>You bitch about a few similarities between Shirou/Rin and Soujuurou/Aoko, right down to what they call each other
>You bitch about Réalta Nua making Sakura a blood sucker, the rape backstory got removed, and the worms got changed
>You bitch about TM making Realta Nua ports and Saber spear-heading everything since the advent of Realta Nua and Saber's special ending/apology to Takeuchi
>You bitch about the Tsukihime Remake Artwork
>You bitch about Sanda really wanted to write some short story about El-Melloi II, so he approached Nasu (they are friends) and asked. Nasu basically gave him so much lore material that what was going to be a one or two volume story like Kara no Kyoukai ended up being 10 volumes.
>You bitch about Extella hardly has to do anything with the events of Extra and CCC. It only gets a passing remark of acknowledgment of "oh right, that happened once" with Gilgamesh and Liz
>You bitch about Nasu for suggesting to Higashide the creation of Sieg to replicate Shirou and Jeanne being Sieg love interest
>You bitch about UBW anime (100% written/directed by Nasu)
>You bitch about Fate/Extra Last Encore(100% written/directed by Nasu) cut the 4th Floor, Tamamo and Female Hakuno
>you bitch about 90% of the TM lore is now in FGO
>you bitch about TM being Sony's puppets

What the fuck?

Prequels are always bad you dipshit. There's no suspense since you already know how things will turn out. The only exception is when the prequel is so far back that it may as well have been it's own story in the first place since there's practically no connection to the original other then the world it takes place in.

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Bitch, those are all valid complaints what the fuck you on about? Of course I'm not happy about stuff that sucks.

>he experiences stories for the events that happen and not for the feelings they inspire
Do you never rewatch/reread/replay anything?

The only good thing coming out of zero was Iri.

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>ruins Sabers character
>has no deep themes about what it means to be a hero, just includes kiritsugu acting like a retard
>boring storyline
>brought a bunch of secondaries to the franchise
wow I wonder why it's not liked

What about the loli rin scenes and that sfw doujin about lewd pics of her? That's pretty great too.

zero isnt hated, zerofags are

FPBP

Mama should fuck their daughter

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yeah, fanbases ruin a lot of shit for me
i was watching f/z earlier today and i think it's just a tad overrated
it's held up pretty well for 10 years but it feels like the fate stuff that came out afterwards tarnishes its legacy, like how when you read the usagi drop manga you can't really enjoy the anime anymore

Ruined fate franchise forever.

nothing of value was lost

Extra did that, surely.

The only ones shitting on it are contrarian fatefags who are angry that Zero is so much better than the VN.
Overall Fate is shit. It's a terrible franchise filled with terrible, cliche characters with horrid motivations and an autistic and meaningless magic system. Fate/Zero actually does something interesting with the franchise and makes Gilgamesh, Saber, and Kotomine interesting characters.

>doesn't speak to his own fucking servant because he simply disagrees with her
>hinges everything on a dubious wish granting device without researching fucking anything about it
>fucks an 8 year old then cheats on aforementioned 8 year old with a depressed assassin so that his feelings are less offended when he sacrifices the 8 year old to a glorified monkeys paw he never researched

Shirou acts like an autistic 17 yr old fish out of water and flops about like a dumbass but that's to be expected.

What's not expected is when a fucking adult with 2 years of preparation does the same.

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The only thing you just said that's actually true is that urobutcher and Nasu decided to make Gilgamesh interesting for once.

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that's a lot of buzzwords you're throwing around user

Shirou, the Saxons are invading!

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"Emiya Kiritsugu's right hand continued it's work of writing while his left hand mechanically shovelled his nutrition - hamburgers from a fast food restaurant he visited while investigating - into his mouth. For nine years, Emiya Kiritsugu had eaten at the table of the Einzberns, who were merely a hair removed from royalty themselves. He had grown tired of the cuisine. The fast food, filled with the sense of slaughter, was more suited to his tastes. Being able to eat without interrupting one's words or thoughts was better than anything, no matter how you looked at it."

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at what point did naruto stop getting banned, I feel like it came out of nowhere

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Why the fuck is she with the Celts?

primsa illya is the only good fateshit

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When moot made Yea Forums n/a/ruto for a day

historical inaccuracy

what I will eternally hate about zero is that it sprang up this plethora of cocksucking faggots say to start the franchise with zero as opposed to production order, which has always been the way to get into series.

Always always PRODUCTION ORDER.

you can go either way. there are things about zero that you will only appreciate if you have seen stay/night and there are things about stay/night that you can appreciate more after you've seen zero.

>is
was*
They look like hags now and their new movie barely featured them.

NO, example A right here of one of the colossal faggots. I bet you recommend people watch the 0079 movies instead of the show when people want to get into gundam.

Any credibility Gundam had went out the window with the mess that IBO was. Fuck off you tremendous faggot.

Is IBO even UC? I'll bet its AU, in which case, it has no bearing on what goes on in UC and is standalone you dumbfuck.

I miss Iskandar, bros...

UC and AU has no bearing on what goes on in Fate and is irrelevant to this discussion you fucking tranny.

So Kiritsugu is a cunt and was duped by mages like pretty much everyone in previous Grail wars. Truly it means that he is dumber than kid who every day does shit that could cost him life and lives only thanks to Avalon and constant asspulls.

no because all fate are shit except HA and Primsa illya [/spoiler[

then why even bring up IBO dumbshit? don't speak unless you know what the fuck you're talking about, or you'll look like a fool again.

Anyway, production order is king.

Because fate/zerofags act like it is the best thing ever and how everything else is complete garbage and they open themselves to the same criticism.

?????????? You're the retard who brought up Gundam first??? You look like a retard all the time.

Anyway, production order is not always king.

Zero is a gateway anime of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of story and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and DARKNESS. The normal user can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad. However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The superpowered characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the phantasms, peculiar, edgy clothes, the whole historic faggotry and everything about the butcherverse world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on revenge, and overall preachiness of the series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up. Fate/Zero is basically THE series to attract the most hated anime fanbase known to Yea Forums, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every user to troll the fuck out of this show and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no FSN threads ever encourage the newfriends to show their faces here. That being said, AB is really great, but Nyaa.eu and BakaBT are easier to get into. It's also shit adaptation.

Truth.

>Always always PRODUCTION ORDER.
Do you realize how many people have been turned off Kara no Kyoukai because of the production order starting with the second worst movie that's completely incoherent?

> mad because of opinions
why are you here then?

> how many people have been turned off Kara no Kyoukai because of the production order
Who fucking cares about other people? Stop being secondary.

Threads and posters have improved drastically in quality and now fucking Dragon Ball has the worst, but that retarded faggot should die and I'm literally going to celebrate it.

They don't like things that are popular or they are raging saber haters because they're mad that Camelot was going to fall no matter what.

I like fate/zero quite a bit.
I just like f/sn a LOT more.

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This. Truer words were never spoken.

>Also they make Zero look way better than it actually is: a mediocre prequel.
That's why you START with it and experience the better, main series afterward nimrod.

I was one of them. Watching it in chronological order made me enjoy it a lot more, because then I learned who the characters were before they started rambling about skyscrapers. Overlooking View is so poorly written it doesn't even properly convey when Mikiya gets his soul stolen or whatever even though that's apparently the driving conflict of the movie. Maybe they could have shown that instead of yet another Touko monologue about the difference between flying and floating.

>regular
Once every 7-12 months is regular?

Shirou doing shit to risk his life for strangers is the SOLE FOCUS OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING VN AND IT GOES INTO EXCRUCIATING DETAIL WHY IT'S BAD AND HE HAS BRAIN PROBLEMS so stating he's an idiot because of that is not only redundant but makes you look like a bigger moron than Shirou for missing the point.

>Fatefags thinking babby's first VN is some kind of masterpiece in the first place to even be worth being ruined by Zero

Sorry, but how you look at FGOfags is how anyone who's read more than five VNs look at you.

Cool but as a person who reads a fuckload of books and works at a library, fate/stay night is exceptional maybe not for the translation quality but the content of the stories and themes is leaps and bounds better than most books maybe except for literary classics.

kuuruu