How can she lose bros? She was so perfect

My angel, ayase-chan

What a copout ending this had
And the relationship wouldn't even work long term

It's complicated.

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too yandere

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But she really wasn't? She didn't even stab Kirino, and Kirino really didn't hold back when fighting megane. If anything she should have embraced the yan side more.

>being a self-inserter
Because the entire story was about Kyousuke and Kirino and letting anyone but Kirino win at the end would undo pretty much all character development and be a ridiculous ending?
Not that the actual ending wasn't ridiculous to begin with.
Slifer the Executive Producer is basically all cock; it's not a tail.

What was wrong with the ending?

get used to disappointment.

Agreed, and this is why Ore.Imo. is too casual for words.
- the incest got toned down massive with that shit ending
- the "yandere" is reduced to little more than "some misunderstandings that make him seem like a yandere, but no evidence that he would actually kill"
- the "loli" is like 15 and just looks somewhat young-ish.
- the b.l. elements were just laid off to a side character; they didn't have the balls to put a male in Kyousuke's harem
- the "tyuuni" is pretty half-baked, no actual delusions, just theatrical speech

Basically everything about this series is casual and watered down to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

You clearly have never read anything japanese, have you?

Correct, I read the translated version of the LNs.

To randomly reveal at the end that they only agreed to do it for 3 months as a pathetic attempt to avoid controversy about incest.
Good ending would be:

>Manami tells parents
>Daisuke flips, punches Kyousuke across the room and demands that he move out immediately and that the Kyousuke–Kirino contact be heavily reduced
>epilogue one year later reveals that both accepted being disowned by their parents and many of their friends to be together and are now living together.

>Why are Nips so shit at endings?
Because it's literally not the writer's fault.
All of this is based on the supposition that you get the writing deal, so bear with me.

In the US, if you want to be published, you get an agent and submit a written manuscript. the agent shops your manuscript around, you get a contract, you get an editor (or one is provided to you) and you fix what needs fixing, and your shit gets published. If it's popular, you get a book deal - usually a book or two per year.

In japan, you write whatever, and you submit it. The company takes what you've written as a *proposal* and you write. You're given an "editor", but the "editor" is really a company dog that wants to make the company money.
The "editor" accepts or rejects each part that's to be published. This is why new characters are suddenly introduced. Why there are flashback arcs. Why stories never go forward. Why MC never fucks the Best Girl. The company is milking you for your popularity.
If you get the sales numbers you're given more freedom in what you want to write in your story, but japanese printing is all about milking everything to the last possible drop before going ahead with an ending.

Strong beginning -> chewy middle -> piss ending.
When you see this formula, you know the writer isn't writing what he wants, but what the company wants him to write so that they can make money, chapter by chapter.

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There are some definite exceptions to this though. But very often the middle just drags on and on and on with no real plot and it does feel milked.

Remember that Japanese law literally demands to tone down incest. Complaining about muffled incest endings and sudden NBRs is like complaining about black squares in hentai (or worse, thinking that the penises and vaginas are actually supposed to have those squares in-universe).

This

To think that some thought this was edgy because it featured actual incest, when in Aki-Sora we had an actual sibling rape scene. Like actual rape, not "I'm resistant at first but I grow to enjoy it." but "I'm left completely crying and broken on the floor because my sibling just raped me."

>avoid controversy about incest
I don't think that really works after they already fucked.
>parents find out
While I agree for story purposes it's great, fantastic even, the Tokyo Morality Statute wouldn't take kindly to the 'positive' portrayal of that adversity being overcome.
I do wish the megane got what was coming to her though.
>epilogue
The epilogue we got already confirms they're still fucking, and are keeping it as secret.

I mean, the author went as far as I think he could given the circumstances.

The brown loli was quite loli enough.

So you say, but a lot of stuff went considerably further.

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True, though as far as I've heard even the mangaka behind SisBrocon started to run into problems with her corporation urging censorship, despite being less know than OreImo. Japan is Japan after all.
Also, I really love that manga's ending.

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Ayase being a yandere is an anime only thing, the ending was good enough and i'm not sure how to respond to the rest of your post, I mean, you are wrong but also yeah everything got toned down in the anime.

>not sure how to respond
Don't worry, I'm 99% sure that's just bait.

Oh god how I wish I was the OreImo MC so I could beat the shit out of every bitch in it, her included

And then elope with your boy toy from the game club? Sounds about right.

So basically your good ending ignore the entire build up and structure of the story and the very core of the characters? I don't think so, Manami would never do that to begin with. The real ending is perfect as it is and even if you are talking solely about the anime then there is nothing to speculate there, they clearly broke the promise and continued to live as a couple with the support of all the people important to them, and if you watched the real 2 last episodes you should know that Daisuke it's ok with the relationship, between all the stuff the siblings achieved one of them is to show Daisuke that they both are responsible adults that know what's better for them.

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That's kinda what happened though.

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>I don't think so, Manami would never do that to begin with.
Manami threatened to do just that.
>The real ending is perfect as it is and even if you are talking solely about the anime then there is nothing to speculate there, they clearly broke the promise and continued to live as a couple with the support of all the people important to them, and if you watched the real 2 last episodes you should know that Daisuke it's ok with the relationship, between all the stuff the siblings achieved one of them is to show Daisuke that they both are responsible adults that know what's better for them.
This is a blatant case of wishfully filling in ambiguities how you want to see them.
There is nothing "clear"; there's a difference between your wanting it to be the case so desperately that you bend the ambiguities to your will, and it actually being "clear".

>Daisuke is ok with the relationship
Is he? I don't remember this.

Are you the walking home gently poster?

I have no idea what that refers to, so probably not.
No, user is just seeing what he wants to see.

Manami was just seeing how far would they take things, she would do no harm to Kyousuke.
They literally broke the promse and the Life Counseling will conitnue, Life Counseling that at the end turned into their couple meetings, and i'm not even talking about the LN, it's really not that hard to understand.

>Manami was just seeing how far would they take things, she would do no harm to Kyousuke.
And you know this how? except for that you want ti to be true, of course.
>They literally broke the promse and the Life Counseling will conitnue, Life Counseling that at the end turned into their couple meetings, and i'm not even talking about the LN, it's really not that hard to understand.
I understand well that it's ambiguous, but to say that it's "clear" is really just seeing what you want to see.
There has been absolutely no clear on-screen indication in the t.v. series of any of that.

>she would do no harm to Kyousuke.
hahahahahahaha
She ruined his motivational drive with her dirty brainwashing. Literally worse than every other female in the entire series.

I wanna jump in to both of your comments.

> Manami would never do that to begin with
Manami is an evil bitch, she'd do it if she thought it'd work.
>support of all the people important to them
I'd say it's more of a passive acceptance or tolerance than support.
>Daisuke it's ok with the relationship
I also would like to see clarification.

>Manami threatened to do just that.
Threats can be empty.
>There is nothing clear
The epilogue makes it pretty clear that they're still engaging in a secret relationship.

Real last 2 episodes of the anime, just go to youtube or wait for someone to post a link. In the LN the build up is more detailed and Daisuke have always been aware of what was going on with Kyousuke and Kirino, he basically give them their approval during the department arc, on the after story Kirino and Kyousuke are planning on telling both Yoshino and Daisuke officially but it's never seen how that goes, BUT, here is the thing, we know that 10 years later Kirino and Kyousuke are still living together in the Kousaka household, so, we can assume everything went right.

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Minami was right, incest is wrong and should be purge

>except for that you want ti to be true
No, it's called paying attention to the characters, you repeating this just means that you are the one seeing what you want to see, at least tell me what made you reach that conclusion.
Manami did a lot of wrong things but all of them were passive-aggressive with a clear goal in mind which was to keep this awesome person that was Kyousuke in a jail just for her, at the end Kyousuke broke free and the final confrontation was just the way Kirino and Manami decided to handle things out, this is rushed in the anime but in the LN the whole conflict starts in volume 11 and they solve most of the things in there with the exception of Kyousuke's "decision".

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>I'd say it's more of a passive acceptance or tolerance than support.
I would say we are both saying the same thing but I leave it there.
For the rest of your post read my 2 comments above.

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>No, it's called paying attention to the characters, you repeating this just means that you are the one seeing what you want to see, at least tell me what made you reach that conclusion.
I'm literally saying that it's ambiguous and can be interpreted in multiple ways, subsequently I don't have any conclusions and am not seeing it in any way.

So, did Akagi bang his sister?

>Also, I really love that manga's ending.
How could anyone not? Despite the obvious outside pressure, the mangaka gave us something great, something we all knew in our hearts to be true.

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Absolutely, But it has to be anal and he has to call her by boys names, otherwise she can't get off.

Remember to laugh.

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There is nothing ambiguous in they both continuing with the Life Counseling that just 1 or 2 episodes ago became their code word for marriage/secret sibling fuck time, and again this is anime only, is not that complicated, and even if we assume Oreimo is too deep to understand you have like 3 after stories that spoonfeed you this.

I saw him in a thread the other day but I couldn't find this image to ask how his imouto is.
It'll never not be funny to me.

I reread it last Valentines, and I cried at the end like a bitch. I really wasn't expecting the happy ending and it still gets me.

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Nope, Akagi and Sena were a contrast to Kyousuke and Kirino, we could see a similar relationship but without crossing the line in a more normal way, thing is that you could sleep together with your sister or take baths together with your sister, but you will never take the next step because both of you are siblings, it's a very simple concept, being a siscon or a brocon doesn't necessarily means that it will lead to that kind of relationship and for Akagi and Sena a relationship like that was never on the table.

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>There is nothing ambiguous in they both continuing with the Life Counseling that just 1 or 2 episodes ago became their code word for marriage/secret sibling fuck time
No it didn't. In the t.v. version there isn't even any evidence they ever had sex or did more than a single kiss on their fake wedding.
>and even if we assume Oreimo is too deep to understand you have like 3 after stories that spoonfeed you this.
And we'e not talking about the that; we're talking about the t.v. series, many things happened in the source material that didn't in the t.v. series.

So what I can get here is that you are the one not wanting to see what he doesn't want to see. Putting 1 and 1 together is not complicated.

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I thought I was terrible with women.
I feel a lot better about myself. Thanks user.

Yeah, but your version of "putting 1 and 1 together" is: "Kirino invited Kyousuke to his room to dump some eroge on him; this now means that life counseling is their code for having sex."

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This is why as much as it pains me, I actually look forward to the jap voiced animes whose stories are outside of Japan. It's insane how stale the damn thing is and nothing's actually being done.

Kuroneko deserved to win.

>nekofags still upset

That's like a rule of the universe at this point.
At the end of the world, humans will still be doing stupid shit, the government will still be useless, and nekofags are still butthurt.

is kirino gay(bi)? then why was she into imouto porn? there was sexual tint in her gaze when she played imouto eroge

>"sexual orientations"
Besides, the term you want is "autoandrophilia".

indeed

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no, that's not what possessed kirino. she loved imouto characters

Because I barely liked Kirino, didn't want any other shitty "winner", let alone Kuroneko, who I preferred a snarky uninterested nerdy cunt and I knew how it should have ended.

Fuck you retarded other girl fags for what wasn't even one of your shitty fake harem "romcoms".

Only when playing the game from the male role.
Kirino playing dating sims to date female characters was also from a male role.
It's really quite normal. Kirino's voice actor by the way also claimed to enjoy playing dating sims from the male role more than from the female role.

Dude, her object of adoration and arousal was imouto characters. This is different from autoparaphilia where you don't really care about who the other person is. You really don't understand what autoparaphilia even means.

*autoandrophilia

She self inserts as the imouto in her games.

It's not a positive portrayal if it destroys their original lives and forces them to leave everything behind just to be together.

This should absolutely pass.

While I agree wholeheartedly, I doubt the Jap government would.

Dude, he got a fucking boner from being called all these things like "aneki", "onii-tyan" et cētera.

He also played dating sims from a male perspective that had nothing to do with imouto stuff.

It's in any case super common.

Yeah it's super common to be a straight girl and still get horny while undressing cute little girls in eroge. Nothing abnormal. She isn't just getting aroused by the thought of being a dude.

>Yeah it's super common to be a straight girl and still get horny while undressing cute little girls in eroge. Nothing abnormal.
Yours is the mistake that you assume that "straight" is something more meaningful than a label of self-identification. Which brings us back to the original '>"sexual orientations"'
>She isn't just getting aroused by the thought of being a dude.
Quite right — Kirino's getting aroused from being treated like an older male sibling.

Then they get caught and she's sent to work in America

>Yours is the mistake that you assume that "straight" is something more meaningful than a label of self-identification
Ok, I understand I'm dealing with a literal retard who doesn't understand the difference between sexual orientation and gender identity.

Nope;, I'm talking about sexual orientations, which is also just self-identification.

Sexual orientation isn't arbitrary identification shit. It is about your biology bro

It is fucking wrong if you identity yourself as gay even though you aren't attracted to same sex. Sexual orientation is about what your sexual libido responds to.

She was a tool. Her only purpose was too look exactly like Kirino to illustrate that Kyousuke is physically attracted to his sister.

Plus she was an irritating bitch.

Yeah, and it turns out that if they actually test it in controlled conditions that all human beings are "bisexual" and "your libido" responds to whatever.
The problem is that human beings show signs of arousal from being raped as well so obviously it all doesn't mean much.

>one day I chose to be attracted to men mostly the other I chose to be attracted to women mostly
What?

>all human beings are "bisexual"
Maybe you faggots are but I like women. Preferably in anime form.

I tried all that sexual exploration bullshit already and it turns out I don't like sucking dicks brah

why oreimofags pretend oreimo is good? same shit happens with toradora and most romcoms

Because oreimo has entertainment factor which is the only thing that matters.

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spbp

Because he's shiting with Kirino.
And then marry her.
The end.