Why Darling in the Franxx characters are so bad?

Oh no, that's Gundam, you just haven't seen Gundam, that's just a fountain of outwards emotions. Darling in the Franxx is very emotionless and impersonal, it kind of reminds me of Star Wars prequels. Like, for example for pretty much 18 episodes you could easily tell Ikuno is a closet lesbian and it ever only plays part in the very same episode as she comes out just to slap the blond kid and then sexually assault Ichigo and it has no bearing on the plot whatsoever, she just told Ichigo she's a dyke for couple of minutes. It didn't even really matter when her and Mitsuru switched with Kokoro, her liking girls might not even have anything to do with her hating Mitsuru, considering she's doing ok with Futoshi.

I can sort of understand what you are trying to say, but your impression is wrong, it seems like it's more emotional because their emotions are simple and conveyed very straight-forward, like you are an autistic child and show wants to make sure that you got the exact emotion it's trying to convey.

Well, yes, as they should, what's wrong with that?

>Franxx at least rewards the audience early on instead of the tired old "will they wont they confess" crap that has been done a billion times over.
That was a good part of the show.

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No, I am pretty sure that the show definitely was jerking your chain, remember when 02 freaked out and started choking Hiro for some reason and everyone were freaking out about his dino AIDS? It's different kind of yanking the chain, but for 16 episodes they were jerking the audience with "will they or won't they be allowed to be together".

That depends, for example Daru has always been listed as main character same as Makise and Okabe, they are equal.

Tamako from Gin no Saji gets good amount of time and development especially compared to rest of the characters.

And there are tons of fat main characters who have as much focus as obligatory MCs.

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you only describe franxx how does your gundam series show more emotion than the same trope gesture. If anything Franxx did its job portraying LOVE not common teenage angst. Thats what it was trying to get accross, to you, you thought it was tacked on and unrealistic but thats the emotion they were going for. Bitter Jealousy, a feeling of everything is alright, love that was for people who are broken. Thats what franxx was for .

Which got dealt with sooner than the end of the series.

see I felt something there. Just felt good but kinda scary at the same time.

No, it was just much worse Gundam, Gundam was better, emotional and personal about all of those things. Franxx was just bad and emotionless at it. I think I laughed the most when Nana "relapsed into puberty" because one word triggered her.

Meanwhile in Gundam Love is the Pulse of the Stars.

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It was dealing with it for fucking 16 episodes. That's 3 episodes more than average 1 cour.

>emotionless
You might want to recheck your english their friend because there was tons of emotions, especially when its kids who were supposed to not have any but did.

and? ussually they always have it at the end of the series. At least you can tell there was focus on the other characters as well and those characters had their arcs at the same time. The reward was worth the watch imo.

That really depends on many things, for example, I can just start screaming at you pretending to be angry, start writing all caps lock, make grammar mistakes to simulate emotion of anger, but I really don't care to do that because I am not angry at you. It's not a real emotion. Same with Franxx, characters sure scream a lot, make grimaced faces and laugh for no reason at all, but it's all fake, nothing comes across as genuine.

>At least you can tell there was focus on the other characters as well and those characters had their arcs at the same time
Explain Miku's arc to me. Where has she started at the start of the series and how different she was at the end?

It felt very genuine to me, I have yet to see another series replicate that feeling the way franxx did and the last emotion of love I last saw was Maccross. I think you might be too reserved and think having people wear their emotions on their sleeves isnt emotion.

>kids grew up like lab rats with no parental figures
it's ok... no one mentions it
>they find out that their whole life was a lie
it's ok, we'll just keep on fighting for Papa

>actually shows emotions rather than internalize them
the only emotion is love, only to sexualize them and drive the plot to it's desired destination
>accurate to actual teens
cmon... really?

What? Did we actually watch the same thing, ALL OF THE CHARACTERS IN FRANXX WEAR THEIR EMOTIONS ON THEIR SLEEVES UNTIL ONE SHORT OUTBURST OF EMOTION. You genuinely just don't know what you are talking about, I doubt you've even seen Macross, and if you did, it's probably not one of the good ones.

Her arc wasnt much of one I will admit. But there was more fleshing out when compaired to other side characters in shows.

see you are too reserved, you really think that there is no other way to express emotion unless it fits your criteria.

What's there to Goro besides waiting for Ichigo? What is there to Ikuno besides waiting for Ichigo?

>cmon... really?
yeah really. Teens arent that deep.

dealing with their respective pilots the desease, the artifacts. blah blah blah.

Can't believe you are genuinely doing "see" thing, I'll just take it as you giving up because you clearly have nothing to say. Run along now.

blah blah blah is how it felt like, for sure.

grow the fuck up and talk like an adult instead of resorting shit posting.
You are too reserved and keep thinking things need to be in a criteria like some autistic otaku.

And now you two dilate-kiss.

Ironic for you say about reserving emotions and telling someone to grow up. Anyhow, you're a waste of time, you've reduced yourself to nothing but throwing personal insults.

>teens aren't that deep
yeah, they're not that self-aware, but they're also not as simple and 1-dimensional as they're portrayed

It isnt ironic since you were the one already acting like a child because someone likes the thing you dont like.

And I was trying to have a conversation about that until you started calling me autistic child because I don't like a thing you like.

>but it's all fake, nothing comes across as genuine.
Very subjective thing, user.
For example I'm from a culture where smiling to strangers is quite a rare and uncommon. When I first traveled to Europe it was almost like a horror film in a few first day with a lot of people smiling for no reason. Were they all "fake and not genuine" people on the streets?

no your conversation was bitching like a child and someone told you other wise and you lost your shit. Look at yourself, no one can even have a difference of opinion with out you flying off the handles like a child. Dont like it stop posting in Yea Forums.

he would argue they were 1 dimensional

Yes, absolutely, it's just a common courtesy.

I hope you are just a troll.

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shit posting thread gets shit posted? now that is irony.

when did this fad start?

Wasn't a shitposting thread until you arrived.

dude it was one from the very beginning. You dont listen to yourself talk do you?

No, not really, but I am willing to listen if you break it down for me.

You started talking shit about a series you dont like in detail. That is shit posting. You think its simple criticism but you go beyond that but just shitting on the series.

>You started talking shit about a series you dont like in detail. That is shit posting.
Well, I heard everything I need to hear for today, this is now indeed a shitposting thread with this kind of quality of posts.

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It's probably what you were supposed to feel by authors, at least it makes sense.

Are you retarded? Shitposting isn't shitting on a show, it's makingnposts that are dogshit because they're just funny, ridiculous, nonsense, disingenuous or in bad faith.

Also Franxx was fucking awful. Characters have emotions but no emotional depths to them and stay stagnant continually. Fat man ceases to exist after he's been cucked nevermind lesbian or Miku.

you are a pathetic faggot manbaby who just autistically screeches at person trying to have a conversation with you.

>funny
Those shouldn't belong in the category of shitposts, as they would in general improve the mood and thus make a good contribution to a thread.
Of course, humor is subjective, and what is funny might be unfunny to somebody else, but in general, fun posts are good posts. It does depend on timing and other qualities, though.

Just rip the script from childhoods end completely and make animation good. At least AOTY guaranteed.

I would've preferred if this show was about Hiro and 02 as kids who escaped their facilities and survive in post-apocalyptic wilderness and they would depend on each other like Hiro will be the brains and 02 will be the muscle to hide in both wilderness and ruins of civilizations. While most of the show would concentrate on them running away, surviving and learning each other, the plot about how it's post-apocalypse, how they are clones, about Klaxosaurs, magma, immortality will be all in the background and we'll never quite get the full picture.

Kids don't stand a chance against ALL the adults working together under one world government seeking them out to be their ultimate weapon.
That is the message, ultimately.
Hiro never had a chance. He in the end fulfilled his purpose that he was groomed into, just like his pistil companion unit zero two.

Next time, don't make the hero protagonist so uberpowerful that the entire war strategy of one side relies solely on said protagonist. If the protagonist is only a run of the mill soldier, or at best slightly better than the rest, but not so much that throwing a little bit more manpower at a problem wouldn't solve the issue for those in charge, then it's believable enough that the protagonist is a draft-dodger

Rate my custom Bitchigo I made in blender and am going to have 3d printed and painted by polish warhammer figure painters for $9000k dollars

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thats exactly what you were doing

Should've just killed a bunch of them and make the rest really struggle. Won't be even that hard considering how much of a jobbers they were.
Also that would've been a nice life lesson to remove some rose-tinted glasses they had about that war in the beginning.

Well, yeah, but enough cute and tragic material to at least draw it out until the tragic end. Better than complete bullshit waste of time we got in the end anyway.

You can also make a plot twist that Hiro's and 02's escape was somewhat curated, either by villains, or anti-APE people.

Even the disease barely gets touched on, or getting pruned. Miku starts greying and nothing happens with it. Or its half assed tossed in like with Ikuno. Hell even the mech combat takes less priority over a chunk of the series, a big deal gets made of Mitsuru and Kokoro switching to become better pilots and they wind up doing fuck all combat wise.

External factors like the director Nishigori not being granted enough time to have his writing staff come up with something better, and he himself becoming fed up with that whole project and just wanting to get it over with might have played a role in this, though.
It's quite obvious that nobody really wanted to keep working on it anymore.
Just like Star Wars episode 9.

I mean, it's probably true, I am surprised there are no like articles about inside drama from 3 different studios working on it. But the thing is that they had 24 episodes approved and Nishigori himself wrote the very first episode and very last episode (and directed), that combined with the fact that Naotaka Hayashi has written majority if not half the episodes of the show can be evidence that whatever the fuck was their vision, they were mostly on track of it from start to finish. There were no like sudden scriptwriter changes or director changes, people weren't being kicked out of production, it's people who started the project and people who ended it.

One thing I do remember about the series is that the whole point of it has always been to make an ending where Hiro and serotsu die together, in contrast to Simon and Nia from Gurren Lagann, who did not cease to exist together.
In that regard, that goal was accomplished.

They just bit more than they can chew. 12 episodes for the episodes 1-15 (remove some filler or whatever) and everybody would've loved it.

Franxx's male cast was marginally more likable when they were in Candidate for Goddess.

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Could've accomplished it in TTGL's movies. I remember actually back when the last episode aired, I remember some people who clearly have never watched anime before desperately shitposting that it's nothing like TTGL's ending when it literally just TTGL's ending with just that one twist, it was sad to look at.

Oh god, you literally can give them just cast of Franxx names and they would match perfectly.

That was just sweet sweet denial. It was funny as heck.

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I don't think they bit more than they chew, I think it was just bad writing. Remember episode where Zorome got lost in one of colonies and met a grandma? That didn't lead to fucking anywhere. It sure dropped hints at worldbuilding of Franxx, but it's kind of moot to drop subtle hints if you are going to have a character who will explain the world of Ditf in a very detailed flashback exposition 20 episodes in. It also didn't effect Zorome in any way, because crashing in on the wedding and brainwashing Mitsuru and Kokoro were the only catalysts that made him question Papa and APE.

The reality is not that they should've scaled down on the story, they tell a story that could be said in 12 episodes or less in 24.

But you gotta sell music cds, and character songs from those cute voice actresses, so you gotta have more girl characters, which means more episodes are needed to bait dumb otaku viewers into believing that said anime character has a personality that you should care for and thus buy merchandise crap involving her in some way.
Or else, there won't be any money to make that project.

Meh, did they even sold any merch that is not 02 and strelizia?

I think they at least made figures of every Franxx, you know the ugly clown one, the fat one and the one Ichigo pilots.

CfG girls were better, though.
Kokoro squirmed out of Fatoshi's orbit, blindsiding him and everyone else.
Wrecka was literally "Lose weight" once she was paired with the fat pilot, and she made it happen.

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I know about the serotsu and ichigo nendo, delphinfranxx and strelitziafranxx, and then some other generic plastic figurine of serotsu.
But I don't remember anything for miku, ikuro or kokoro or their franxx machines.

Im not that forgiving of Nishigori because this was supposedly his passion project and he has plenty of experience fleshing out characters. Yet in every interview or behind the scenes article he sounded like he barely understood his own characters or creation or the creative process. Usually you see creators with a passion project going ham to the point of near collaspe and damn near autistic about their world and characters.

Bad wording from me, I meant items that were actually bought. I can't imagine anyone buying anything except strelizia or maybe 02. They sure made them stand out.

Obviously, he was stressed out trying to finish the project. Having to do a lame infodump episode and two shitty real life interviews to gain enough time to work on the last episodes is a very shameful thing to do.
But then again, eh, sucks to be a nip animu director.

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There's something that bothers me about the doctor Frank himself. In the very first episode we see him grope Nana's ass, it's a very quick grope, very quick scene, but I still remember it 2 years later, I think it was an important character building moment. Hear me out I am not even trying to make a joke here. I thought it was interesting because you don't see characters like Frank (important autistic scientists) show any interest in humans (aka, the cliche that he is revealed to be in second half), he has emotions, he's a bit lewd, he can joke around. It also ties directly into theme of parasite being lewd, 02 was straight up taught that it's good for parasites to be on the lewd side, which is again, theme of adolescence and teenage love, as physical as it is emotional.

And then Frank is revealed to be a emotionless husk obsessed with loli who dommed him once. I mean, I guess it fits, but I think it's a completely different character from Frank that Nishigori depicted in first episode compared to the rest of the series. I just don't think the Frank we see by the end is the same Frank who would grope Nana, who would come up with ideas how to raise Parasites properly, how he could say it's good for them to be lewd or to even get the idea that Parasites would call him Papa, it's a bit of a personal touch. It also could've been interesting to explore the fact that Frank never produced a child with his waifu and APE basically just told them to keep producing and raising children. So much of his character is just taught in exposition, but nothing of it is explored or shown, the only significant thing I remember about Frank is that he touched Nana's butt, I think it's only time he was a real character, not a plot device or world building trivia.

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Ultimately, what was initially planned with him did not matter.
Just like in the manga adaption by Yabuki, which ended on a really rushed manner.

Don't forget that other bunch of kids lead by that blonde boy. I kept waiting for them to do something significant and it never happened.

They ratted out Kokoro! even though they all were under surveillance regardless.

And the blond bottom bitch boy kept annoying 02 by calling her Iota, that was a lot of character!

>The parasites were clones based on his various APE lab assistants and test pilots, there's a boy who looks like Hiro and a girl who resembles 02 with normal dark hair, Kokoro was a clone of Karina and inherited her "strong reproductive instincts", giving the doc a personal interest in her fate
Could have been interesting if true.

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I'm still mad

I always kind of thought that Nana and Miku look a lot alike and thought it'd be neat if some of the previous generation of clones were actually raising the future ones, you definitely could do something with that. I got my hopes up because like Nana, Miku in the end chose to be a teacher, but it's really just my headcanon, like me wanting Miku and Zorome have an arc because they are only ones I don't find insufferable.

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>Create smug rival squad who the protags have every reason to want to fight and defeat
>could have 4 vs 4 cool robot fight between the 13s and the 9s with lots of emotion and showing their growth while they buy time for the MC's mecha to do something
>instead introduce boring generic hivemind evil space aliens, kill half of the 9s squad off and let the other half die of AIDS until they decide to help the protags by instead dying in space against the boring aliens
>oh yeah turns out they were technically made from 02's cells so she's kind of technically like their mom even though they never interacted with her in any manner except smug and abusive "comrades"

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But hey, at least they gave Alpha a cool eyepatch in the manga

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The only mecha being relevant in fights was strelitzia and that was annoying. Should've killed a few of p13 if they were planning on killing some characters in the end anyway.

The fights were easily the worst part, in some episodes they were pretty much Eva's copycats where they tried to use strategy, find weak spot of Klaxosaurus, and then in second half there were basically no fights until the very end. And fights never mattered at all.

The Klaxosaur classification always cracked me up every time they said
>It's Gutenberg class Klaxosaur!
Because, you know they picked Gutenberg with no other reason in mind except they thought it sounds cool, but all I kept thinking about is Steve Gutenberg as a fucking kaiju.

The worst part was that authors failed to make me feel empathy towards "humanity" at all. Was I even supposed to do that in their opinion? Still a mystery for me

Just look up "gutenberg geology", and learn something new.

Cool blog OP

Oh, I see now, genuinely didn't know that.

I don't fucking know, it's as incomprehensible as why VIRM would care to kill last Klaxo Sapien and use up magma energy to continue killing klaxosaurus by raising human clones who ride klaxosauruses and use magma energy for that. I don't know what the fuck is the goal here.

I still wonder if their mecha names made any sense, never looked that up properly. Strelizia makes perfect sense, considering that bird thing, delphinium maybe too as a poisonous plant, others I don't know.

They are all just named after flowers to some capacity.

Yes, but do their flower names actually hint at something?
With strelizia it was kinda obvious because they did that bird introduction and strelizia plant (well, at least the popular one that it was designed after) can be pollinated only by birds, no bees or insects allowed.

Was ending supposed to be a happy one or tragic one?

God, this reminded me of HOTD and how fucking badass it was.
Overall a badass show and is it really fucking surprised me how the fat guy didn't just stay alive, but also became the most unkillable bastard of them all.
God it was good. RIP author, it had very high potential to be the best zombie title out there.

>Ripped off side characters that are better developed than the MC of Franxx.
I wonder why ?

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Because authors were too afraid to kill them in episode 16 or 17.