80s/90s Art Thread

That shitty how to draw manga book you saw every where at book fairs isnt what hes talking about though.

You can the see the change in the numbers of anime.

a style comes after learning basics, gotta invent the wheel before you make a car, user

If you're asking why anime moved from cel-based photography to digital scanning, it's because cel-based photography is more expensive, time-consuming and, on all levels, a huge pain in the arse. The subjective benefits of it simply aren't worthwhile compared to the objective benefits of digital scanning.

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no, not that it's expensive. No one wants to work as animator in Japan unless you're a retard Otaku. Here's your wage on 1 studio example. You get more money working in Mcdonald and convinience store.

millepensee.com/info.html

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Gunsmith Cats was a really great underrated OVA.
It was literally an 80s movie as an anime in Chicago it is nuts.

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I was taken back by how much detail and knowledge was at hand for the guns in the show. From bullet count to how it loads, etc

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Yeah the dude is a gun/america-boo, and really knows his shit. Such a fun series

The manga ended weird though.

I was bummed out that one qt with the glasses was shot to death in an alleyway though.

He killed off Rebecca?

Yeah I didn't really like the end either
I was bummed out that one qt with the glasses was shot to death in an alleyway though.
;_;

Sadly no

ITT: no one knows what "Flash animation" means

too much work to animate all this soul

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Of course. It was about 15 years ago that it was mainstream, grandpa

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There's nothing stopping anyone from using old techniques with new software. I am kind of curious why no one does it.

I fucking love these bitches

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He didn't kill of the gangster bitch, that sucked. I don't even want to see the new OVA which is going to be mainly Bean Sue anyway.

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What anime is it?

They prefer to spend money on voice actors because otaku care about child-like high pitch voices more.
Otaku culture is why anime is shit now.

Dominion

75k in a month? What can you even afford with that kind of money in Japan? Its basically nothing, your rent might cost more.

Have you seen the spin-off OVA called Riding bean?

Early 80s is peak aesthetic since it's like an extended 70s

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>new OVA
Come again?
There's going to be another OVA starring Bean Bandit?

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The only correct answer ITT, also cel animation looks like crap is you are not cherry picking.

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Full Metal Panic

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Isn't that Trigger's claim to fame? I find that beside's the better shading and the unavoidable human error, the most distinctive characteristic is just the palette and some of the character design

You have no idea what flash animation looks like. Having saturated colors does not mean it was animated in Flash.

Here’s a serious post.

It’s because using computer drawings look too clean, no imperfections and can look to bright compared to hand drawn cels.

>>There's nothing stopping anyone from using old techniques with new software.
What do you mean by "old techniques"?

1996 OST Links:
mega.nz/#!mgRQ1I6T!r5T7cKdkjQVEWOOTRoUhKXjXruLumfaY-xxRsM5xzXA
mega.nz/#!SwICCC6Y!FlaDjhZYhGcKhSqCQTAmW-Rv3iuWTk8KU2qGogwSgl4

OVA link:
mega.nz/#F!G8hgULRC!H1dECZqkt4G5NHIiKm4Esw

VBS Files for the OVA:
mega.nz/#!LS40yQpb!H6tcLYAQxcEUuE8vBnzkt_ZqygG14GUhsBG--2YTvEI

Promo CD for Decode:
mediafire.com/file/zj66izxiyei584d/BirdyDecodeShionPromo.wma/file

720p rips for Decode:
mega.nz/#!WtVgWSJY!txfGFKJC3AF5VWqp1H6x7i9rYAS0CnlH4zRFuaACv7M

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I only know the manga spin-off called Flicking Bean.

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Birdy was yet another one of those OVAs that looked really nice but was altogether lukewarm. I watched it just a couple of years ago and I can barely remember anything about it. Not bad but just not that memorable or interesting aside from the animation and voice acting.

I know that manga too.

>VBS Files for the OVA:
>mega.nz/#!LS40yQpb!H6tcLYAQxcEUuE8vBnzkt_ZqygG14GUhsBG--2YTvEI

file not available anymore. other than that absolutely based!

80s/90s TV anime didn't look good. And movie projects have come to substitute the few OVAs that did

Great, isn't it?

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Yeah, it's called Bean Bandit

I'll upload them again and make a thread on /m/ later.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, because it's pretty much the perfect 80's action movie in animated form.
youtube.com/watch?v=SgoG-AMtd5g

Motion tween was a mistake

True, but instead of allowing animation to improve in quality thanks to easier animation methods, it just downgraded by more laziness and miserliness.

Learn English dumb ESL

I really like anime from the 80's, it had a very distinct look as well as feel to it all. It's a very aesthetic art style.

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M-mommy.

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>laziness and miserliness

Not user you're replying to.
Reminder that character designs these days generally have a higher line-count than older anime. Not only that, the amount of anime being made at once is also several more than what it was 30/40 years ago. There are fewer animators and inbetweeners. Wages is still the same, dead lines are still the same. Wether the advances in technology is an upgrade or a downgrade is a personal opinion. You can look at older anime and find ones that looks quite bad, even back in the day. Wether or not you like the modern aesthetic is also a personal opinion. If you look at... take KyoAni or Ghibli (not memeing). Even though they are/were doing digital scanning/compositioning, the quality is still top notch (not saying that it's the same as before, but the quality is not "downgraded").
People calling people in the anime industry lazy, are the most ignorant people around.

Instead of clamoring the advances in technology, and loss of an aesthetic, celebrate the works in that aesthetic.

>Source: Working at a studio in Japan.
Not an english-speaker by the way

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>another OLD GOOD, NEW BAD thread by some retard cherry picking boomer

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What's with modern anime and mouths being located far below from the nose?

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I was earning about 200000 yen a month working as an English teacher 10 years ago. My rent was 50000 a month and I spent about 50000 a month on food and going out. I used about 30000 for miscellaneous costs like travel, which left about 70000 to spend for the month. It wasn't bad at all desu.

But 75000 would barely cover rent and food, but I guess if you live with your parents (which many do), it wouldn't be much of an issue.

Minimum wage in Australia is about 35k AUD now, which is about 2500000 yen, which is about 200000 a month.

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you act like the endless pursuit of profit extraction would ever allow for increased cost because people want it

the backgrounds look nice but the person looks like trash. and thats pretty common for all those old anime.

im about to do the same in china, sounds pretty based. know someone doing it in japan now, probably gonna try do that after

It's going to be like 15 minutes long. Basically testing the waters to see if anyone wants more

One of these threads.

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The Boondocks is the only anime worth watching

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Blame digital distribution. The best animation was funded by selling physical copies. The physical copy model is the best. I love physical copies, I currently have Gochiusa Sing For You BD and CD preordered.

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>KyoAni or Ghibli (not memeing)
Literally exceptions and Ghibli making movies (higher budgets).

>Wether the advances in technology is an upgrade or a downgrade is a personal opinion
Reread my post

>>Source: trust me dude
Sure user-kun

>take KyoAni

And now they're dead. Look forward to Chinese/Korean garbage completely dominating the airwaves

Isekai killed moe. What will the manimefags complain about now? "Beta male"/"soiboi" protagonists?

Also...
>Ledouche
>manime
>gar

I like Akazukin Chacha.

we must go back

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I miss floof. It's nowhere to be found these days.

which macross is this from?

You're not looking hard enough.

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bring back the floof

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Kumiko is a notable exception.

And her character designer died a horrible death back in July. Life sucks.

Ask otaking

Kumiko's one of the only examples from the past 10-20 years. Every other girl has basic stringy hair.

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I've never even watched one of those OVAs and that shit bothers me. Their "modernized" designs are bereft of personality.

Digital never will look the same as cel animation, there is a certain roughness and permutations in colours from the chemical makeup of the paints between each cell that basically can't be replicated in digital that give cel animation it's "feel".

Digital in general just looks way more clean and flat than cel animation. That isn't to say digital doesn't have its benefits, your digital anime tv show shits over your typical cel animation tv show, but cel OVAs and films will always look better than digital.

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Modern design is just shittier than the design trends of the 80s and early 90s.
Like everything to do with Nip design, they basically peaked in 1988.

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Except anime was already outsourced to Koreans, Taiwan and others

Yeah it wasn't as good but it was enjoyable.

Technological progress and jewification of anime studios.

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is the joke that all those shows have pretty boys and are popular with girls

Rally Vincent is such a cute gun snob. I wanna tease her for being a CZfag till her face turns red.

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koto saves the thread!

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Koto is adorable.

boy am i sure glad we evolved into digital
so that way we can get anime faster than ever
you know that high quality anime that doesnt have to go through a litmus test to determine whether or not it should be made because it can be pumped out by computers in a few months instead of nearly a year
thank goodness for that digital switch

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I like Koto, such a cute fox.

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SEASON TWO WHEN?

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How long where you there? How'd you get hired, through a program?

>kyoanus
>quality
Stopped reading there

>If you look at... take KyoAni
How can you type that with a serious face?

>Look forward to Chinese/Korean garbage completely dominating the airwaves
About time for them to take over. Japs are creative bankrupts.

Never. But Blurays soon™.

who cares about GSC when the spinoff is better

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Ryo Nagi is just a bland artist.

>Blurays soon™.
Oh boy I sure can't wait...

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Leda

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this

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It's very time consuming. I have a friend who's been buying cels and paint because she's fucking autistic about animation and is basically teaching herself how to do it (though I don't think she plans on animating anything) and said the inking especially is a bitch and pretty laborious.

Please tell me you have Koto spinning around

_____

Also, reminder that City Pop made the 80s and 90s anime that much better

Kawajiri was awesome and its a shame that shitty American produced Highlander movie drove him into retirement.

Ghibli has bad character design.

is the blu ray out yet?

I really don't know. I mean eyes, nose, and mouth close together = cute, that's anime character design 101. I don't know how they get away with having them that far apart.

If I hadn't read the filename I might have thought this was Gunsmith Cats. I've never seen either but the art style looks almost exactly the same as

Sonoda was the character designer on Bubblegum Crisis.

>Like, has someone calculated the price difference before?
No, an anime studio whose entire continued operation depends on running a profit has NEVER run a cost analysis before on their own product. Not once.

I don't see why digital animation can't have the warmer, more subdued colors of cel animation. I'm sure those colors were the result of a limitation on cel animation's part, but dammit everything is too bright and pastel now, and when it's not that the colors are all washed out

Ah, well that explains a lot.

>Japs are creative bankrupts.

user, do you know anything about Chinese and Koreans?

>spinoff is better
hard to believe we live in a world where City Pop is normcore now

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Because of international piracy.

>Implying sales outside Japan ever mattered

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>it will never be the 80s/90s again

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koto saves the thread again!

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I really liked the TV series but goddamn that jump from OVA to TV budget was not smooth

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Oh look, another faggot just discovered you can watch something that's older than 5 years
yippity do
Fuck we have these twice a week, someone should make a damn pasta already to shut up the newfags

take a sit

It's the same faggots who love "muh A E S T H E T I C" shit from YouTube,

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have fun

The thing is that It's good to go out of your range and look for things that are from different times or made in different styles and approaches, but it gets annoying when they start acting like it's the only right way to do something.
Liking something cause it's old is just as shallow, the skill a person needs to develop is to evaluate quality regardless of period.

Don't be mad, anons. There's plenty of room for everyone on Yea Forums!

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I see this posted a lot and all I gotta say is thanks.

I know this is a gross overreaction but I want to kill Otaku now. How is art style and animation not 1,000x more important than recycling famous voices? You could pay seiyuu like 1/50th the price at 1% the loss in quality.

I would gladly take the 1% dip in seiyuu quality if they spent it on paying the animators and writers better.

That outfit is retarded but I dig the style.

Kill it with fire.

Hipsters are a mistake. Soiboys are a mistake.

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>Early 80s is peak aesthetic
>It's the same faggots who love "muh A E S T H E T I C" shit from YouTube

Yep. You're absolutely right.

Fuck off, Reddit.

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Suck my cock, faggot

>I love early 1980s anime that I didn't grow up with because they look so AESTHETIC! Isn't it weird that I have nostalgia about a time I don't remember?

Zoomer childhood sucks so bad that they're stealing the childhoods of Gen X and boomers.

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>stealing childhoods
loving
every
laugh

The tunes are nice though.

youtube.com/watch?v=3bNITQR4Uso

>Zoomer childhoods is composed to le Dreamworks face and Justin Bieber
loving
every
laugh

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>Yuyu Hakusho is Late Gen Z (2016-2020)
Fuck Toonami.

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you dont have many ways to support anime, but horny teens/mankids otaku have and they fucking obsessed with their idolshit, cant jerk off and imagine character as your gf if voice isnt just perfectly childish and "cute"
And its not like "west" cares about animation, no one even remembers devilman crybaby at this point.

>kid rock 2020
I don't even want to know

You misread that. You're actually referring to Late Gen Y/Millennial culture (2001-2006).

>Yuyu Hakusho from 1992 is a Millennial anime in Murrica

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her character design made me start reading the manga

>The Naruto generation wants to go back to Core Gen X culture
Can't blame 'em.

>no one even remembers devilman crybaby
blame the netflix remake

This kills the AESTHETICS poster!

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I was talking about netflix remake.
I know, new = bad, old = good. I really dont care, that was legit good show in my book. Many people liked that when it was out. I guess thats why you suddenly hate it, Yea Forums just hate when people have fun and if thing is popular means you should hate it.

I wish Yea Forums could discuss old anime like it actually used to, without 14 year old crossboarders turning every old anime thread into a circlejerk about how they hate modern anime.

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We have regular pre-2000s threads that get actual discussion. It all depends on the tone the OP sets. This thread is mostly whining and bait because the OP was whiny bait.

They're actual adults disillusioned with the current state of anime.

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Old /m/echa is where it's at.

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I don't know why Togashi didn't even try to replicate the enthusiasm of Koto in HxH. The Heavens Arena Arc could very easily have had a stand-in for my girl.

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I personally miss the types of soundtracks from that era.
youtube.com/watch?v=EFEfdBRO0CM
youtube.com/watch?v=t02JzTMJxKQ

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Things that never happen:
Yea Forums never discusses pre 2000s seriously, unless it's mecha or wifu talk
They also never actually talk properly about animation techniques, every thread about animation goes very quickly to 3 people who get it and 300 retards who make stuff up.

Turn A isn't that old though, it was a 1999-2000 anime.

>They also never actually talk properly about animation techniques
This is true, unfortunately. I think a big part of the problem is that most technical analysis by/for/about industry insiders is in Japanese. What little insightful English analysis exists is mostly shared on blogs and editorials with names attached, so half of Yea Forums will screech at you for linking "social media cancer". The result is that most anons end up "learning" everything they know about animation through a game of telephone in which most of the participants are those 300 retards who make stuff up.

Here you go. Birdy VOB files from the Jap DVD.
mega.nz/#!kMNFSYrJ!hFyzNv6R0ltbCFyEw9BNa-pGgwtGfM412Dz0PU4336E

Much as we love the anime of both eras, we gotta let go. They're not coming back.

The good news is that there are people who are working on translating all the outside resources and today you can go on streams and twitter and ask industry professionals what they think.

Lum is peak waifu. Urusei Yatsura is great. Even my wife likes watching it with me and she hates weeb shit.

They still used cel, so it count.

This

>your digital anime tv show shits over your typical cel animation tv show,
Nope, cel animation didn't "benefit" from the horrors of motion tween.

Urusei Yatsura is a great show, but I think I could say that Maison Ikkoku is my personal favorite of Rumiko's work.

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I thought modern anime was supposed to look bad?

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