Is this ever going to happen

i get that her old hairstyle is kinda retro, but it's appealing in its own way. They'd just need to soften its lines like they sharpened Shiki's hair up a bit, and she'd be good. I think the reason why they did this is that her hair and Shiki's hair used to look similar at first glance. Now it looks like someone poured a bucket of water on Senpai's head.

I kinda wonder if Nasu has lost the edge that sort of defined KnK and Tsukihime though.
The atmosphere of Tsukihime was so tangibly different than stuff he does now.

I don't have as much problem with the hair as with the rest of the body.
Not only there is something that I quite don't like about the clothes, but the girl is clearly too thin and without muscles.
She should look more like in Melty Blood at least.

I guess we will only know when he stops writting for Fate/GO.
But for me everything from Fate onwards was much worse. Actually, from Kagetsu Tohya already, but that was mostly a fan-disc so maybe that was the reason.

I mean, Mahoutsukai no Yoru is considerably better than the Fate series, but it still mostly carried away by the visuals, the story isn't so good. I haven't read his other not-Fate-related works after tsuki to comment on them.

The atmosphere is a large part of the reason I stuck with Tsukihime. Honestly, I really didn't give a fuck about Arcueid or Shiki. I just wanted to immerse myself in that dark atmosphere. I wish I could find another VN like that.

He literally grew up. Not every writer can take the judgment for writing full chunny shit once they hit 30 years old nor they have the wish.
It's safer to write standard shonen shit than stories about little kids being constantly raped because one old dude can't control his supernatural stress.

tsukihime is different than fate in that i liked every girl basically. all of the heroines have their good points, and I didn't feel any route was notably bad, though some individual scenes weren't as good as others. (I'd say Ciel gets the shortest end of the stick there but I still like her route, she got also my favorite bad end.)
if I had to pick a favorite though, yeah it's probably akiha, even if not by a lot.

Yeah this is true, though even in the VN (due to Takeuchi's inexperienced artwork) Ciel was something of a stick.

Melty, especially Actress Again, was basically peak Takeuchi. Ciel looked a lot healthier and tougher then.

Fuck off to/vg/ cuck, or better yet/trash/

I think that sort of chuuni feel to Tsukihime is what drew me to Type Moon in the first place. That might be true, but I think he could mature his writing style and refine his work without sacrificing that dark feel.

Cope, only a week left before your precious oldfag TM threads become irrelevant.

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Congrats on being the lowest common denominator. Tsukihime was plenty dark without Shiki Tohno raping people and Arcueid falling in love with her rapist/murderer.

wut

I don't even think that the "dark" plot elements can justify the whole difference in atmosphere.
Fate had more edgy stuff than tsukihime, with the living dead burned orphans, the worm rape, etc.
But somehow it all felt just silly compared to tsukihime. (And tsukhime is in some aspects already pretty silly, altough it works quite well in others)

that's what i mean.
>That might be true, but I think he could mature his writing style and refine his work without sacrificing that dark feel.

Yeah but the thing is, Type-Moon exploded. His whole life since he was 24 is about writing things that his thousands of fans like. He can't escape that.
It was clear that at first, with Tsuki and KnK, he really wanted to be a True writer, to go full balls into his craft, but he literally can't escape his FATE

exactly, apparently reading comprehension is hard for some of us, but the atmosphere of tsuki is not solely predicated on there being gory death and rape. idk, maybe it's something about the idea of slowly going mad, not being sure of what you did or didn't do, or being taken over from within by another being? it's a lot of things.

yeah that's the depressing truth of writing lol.
i think to a certain extent you can get away with just kinda doing whatever the fuck you want once you're as successful as he is though. if he can stop caring about what the Fate fans want for like twelve seconds, we can at least occasionally get stuff like Mahoyo.

Have you read DDD/SnS? It's kind of closer to what he used to write, it's pretty neat if not quite as good.

it'll be out soon. don't worry.

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No, that is the stuff I can't comment about.

i'm curious to read it. Gonna take a look

It's always a treat to run into old tsukihime posts from 4+ years ago with people saying "yeah don't even play old tsukihime. the remake should be coming out soon so just wait for that!"

I would rather nasu write something original not related to his previous ideas.

god, we got so old

nasu, at least release the remake before i'm seventy, okay?

This year is 20 anniversary of Tsuki tho so new material will be dumped for sure. But anyway only 3-4 people know Japanese in Yea Forums TM threads. Funny how a lot of Tsikifags and FGO haters claimed they're "real" TM fans but still didn't learn japanese for like 10 years?

I suppose it doesn't matter, since it's also dead in the water along with everything else that isn't Fate. I have little hope for that new game studio producing anything new either.

Only a small part is translated at this point. I had a crack at doing SnS a few years back but I just don't have the time for a project that big.

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Do you honestly think nasu could write kino like this today?
We're better off without it.

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>That one post from 2005

Yes and no. He can get away with artsy stuff like Last Encore but he won't return to the dark sexual undertones of Tsuki and KnK. And that's because he isn't writing for this niche doujin circle anymore, if he writes something, literally millions of people will read it, and the jobs of everyone in his company depend on it.
He might be successful, but sure as fuck he ain't writing what he wants. No wonder the fucker just plays Dangaropa and Dark Souls all day instead of writing new stuff for FGO

I get that he has more responsibilities right now, but he could author a book on the side that's his own project, not under Type Moon's umbrella. If he even had time to do something like that, that is. Being freed from FGO as he seems to be planning to do was reason for me to be optimistic for his writing options, but then they announced the organization of that new game company lol.

Even it came out we'd never get a translation anyways.

We would, it would just take five years or so.

>but sure as fuck he ain't writing what he wants
It's not like visual novel or mobage is what Nasu wants to write. Studio BB being established is also when his long dream came true. He said that in Famitsu interview and also in his special message on StudioBB website too.

Well, with his identity being secret and all it's all speculation. Hell, he might be a she and be fucked by Takeuchi right now.
Anyway, my thoughts are that the social stigma for writing about lolis being raped summarily and a guy failing into dementia with 3 solid hours of scenes of him resting in bed are heavier than writing plots for videogames.

Still waiting on a complete translation of maho and that came out in 2012

No? There is no translation scene. Even Mahou 15hours long kinetic VN is still untranslated and never will be

>mfw the Tsukihime remake is revealed to be a fighting game with Melty Blood's mechanics and a VN-style story mode.

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Disgusting
>removing intense fighting scenes

Takeuchi only knows how to draw one female face.

Saber was the first and last Arcface because everyone after became a Saberface.

>Arcface
Kohakuface

Was even Takeuchi who made the design in MBAACC? It seems more likely that was someone from the video-game company. But if it was Takeuchi it was indeed one of his best works.

i mean the character artwork certainly looks like it's his style. If it's someone else they oughta promote them, they're certainly better than koyama

i loved bed namek

It was drawn by Takeuchi and colored by Takao

Unironically, Hisui's Midday Moon route is the best damn thing Nasu has ever written. He peaked there

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This.

This is why I don't play FGO or any other Fate video game.

A big part of the fun in Nasuverse stories is the fights and all of the exposition/in-depth detail about character's skills and tactics.

FGO and Fate Extra/CCC cut all of that out and it just feels extremely hollow.

Tsukihime already has an English-speaking fanbase, though.

CCC is more perverse and sexually fucked up than anything he wrote before Type-MOON got big. You're going deep inside women, laying bare their darkest secrets. The bosses are a yandere god-AI who wants to murderfuck you, a sadistic pseudo-loli who got her Riding skill from fucking, a psycho masochist titty monster, and a narcissistic whore nun who wants to literally fuck the world.

He doesn't do things like Tsuki because he's not making eroge for money. He doesn't do things like KnK (which nobody talked about outside of BL until the movies came out) because he's grown past dickriding Boogiepop.

It is, Shiki going insane in his room is Nasu's magnum opus.

Don't make me remember that user.
Oh my God...

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It'll come out before Girls' Work, that's for sure.

Doesn't matter. Translation scene is dead. Fate despite having biggest "fanbase" wasn't able to translate HA for 9 years. It's miracle that SF is translated.

Well there are actual legit publishers now though. A Tsukihime Remake would get picked up pretty fucking fast I'm sure

>announced as a visual novel in 2008
>changed to anime TV series in 2010, studio is ufotable
>9 years passed
>ufotable is now swimming in money and working on KnY & HF trilogy
>Meteo started writing his new Fate light novel + FGO scenario
really sad isn't it

>A Tsukihime Remake would get picked up pretty fucking fast I'm sure
Like Fate and Mahou? FSN, Nasu's magnun opus still not officially translated despite all this Aniplex promoting of Fate.

But it was so good user

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>A Tsukihime Remake would get picked up pretty fucking fast I'm sure
Doubt it

>a sadistic pseudo-loli who got her Riding skill from fucking
Man, I remember getting hard just thinking about that.

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I didn't say it wasn't good, but it's really sad.

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Don't underestimate the west's love for Tsukihime user

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>west's love for Tsukihime

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Not him but even with all the normalfag love for Fate and Type-Moon, we literally don't have a translation for Mahoyo after all this years

>People arguing over the "dark" qualities of Nasu's work
That's really not the point. It was never about the edgier qualities, the sex or even the grungy urban fantasy, it was about the atmosphere and character interactions. All the mystery of the setting and the lore is just a backdrop for the narrative and a narrative without engaging characters won't stand up on its own, which is why so much of FGO and the like feels like complete fluff. There's too many characters and only a tiny number of them get any real development or payoff, most are there just to pad out the required gameplay and it kills the story as a result.

is this hentai

Now this is an old timestamp.

But "pretty fucking fast" is too overestimate too. How many Tsukihime fans can speak Japanese influently, have a lot of free time (because Tsuki is not a short VN) and can stay with the translation for a long time? It would be really sad if someone pick it up real fast and then drop it shortly after. Not to mention a lot of people only care about TsukiRe because of muh long time meme (not that i'm saying there aren't any people that truly care about it though)

>pedobear
times change

Either Nasu is charging an exorbitant amount of the license or he absolutely refuses to have any of his works officially translated but either way the only TM stuff that gets localized officially involves Sony/Aniplex.

The VN art looked really nice, and it's a shame because at that time Type-Moon was still interested in making VNs. Even after that announcement, ufotable did F/Z, the KnK epilogue, Mirai Fukuin; I'm surprised the website is still up. Nothing's changed and I remember it very well, it's frozen. I even remember how Shirube got porn of her in pixiv shortly after GW was announced.

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Nasu grew out of his chuuni phase and now only cares about that sweet gacha dosh.

according to herkz Mahoyo is still untranslated because no one can even translate it properly in English. It was 4 years ago
>FGO
user...

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VN market is not very stable now as I can see.

Damn, that's some neat shit

Western fanbase aside, what about Tsukihime fans in Japan? People who went to TM booth at C95 said that Tsuki and Mahoyo merch didn't sell very well, even slower than Case Files.

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You do remember this, right?
I can't believe it's been five years.

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Arc's quirk is dressing old fashioned because she thinks it is how modern fashion is like...

Maybe Arc dress like a modern girl kills that quirk

Case Files has a current anime, Mahoyo and Tsukihime haven't had fresh content for years, current trending stuff will always outperform the others.

Someone on Yea Forums and /jp/ posted an old Japanese interview with Nasu.

No face was shown except a photograph of Nasu's friends.

Everyone noticed the hair on those hands and concluded Nasu is a man.

Tsukihime itself is rare. Just google. It's not something you can buy in every store. The disk is rare and expensive

Well yeah, it was only ever released as a doujin product and never got more than one or two reprints (one for Tsukibako and that's about it). I saw a copy in Melon Books years ago and it was already fucking obscenely expensive back then, god knows how much they go for now.

25,000 yen but only in a dedicated store.
50,000 yen unopened.

That's nothing.

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>2005-12-26

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>kj1980
god that's a name i hadn't read in a long fucking time. i wonder if he's still into anime. he was an old man even back in 2004 when i used to be in an IRC chat with him.

Sounds about right.

Every time. Christ.

Just give her the old outfit

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>2008
just remembered the path to Mahoyo
tsukikan.com/misc/mahoyo-delay-log.html

Is Mahayo even good?

>People complain about Nasu.
>When Takeuchi have way more footing because he is the fucking CEO.

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If it weren't for him Nasu would be doing isekai shit

99% of nip TM fan's experience with TM begins and ends with Fate so it's not surprising

>Tsukihime track 8 still plays on my mind whenever I get the chance to see a full moon
Is it autism?

>Arc's quirk is dressing old fashioned because she thinks it is how modern fashion is like...
That's what westerners made up. Japan had a rage about long skirts in the late 90s. She's actually dressing fashionably.

Read the interviews, Takeuchi is the one pushing for stupid shit.

On top of that he is the art director, meaning that everyone need to deal with his shit art but also shit like this get approved.

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>I guess we will only know when he stops writting for Fate/GO.
Extella, last Encore.

No, it's called supreme taste.

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Red skirt is too gaudy and doesn't suit her personality. Plus she hates the color red. Akiha is an example of Takeuchi going too far with image color without taking into account the character setting.

Tsukihime "atmosphere" is just average Young Adult supernatural book out there. Nothing special.

What's wrong with that? Too much muscles for you boy?

That's giving average young adult supernatural books way too much credit. I can 100% guarantee that not a single one of them has any psychological breakdowns like Tsukihime.

not that user. aspect ratio, face is too squished

Name some with same atmosphere. I love YA

>Whats wrong with that.

You joking right?

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Have you read Skulduggery Pleasant?

They already changed the clothes to be more japanese. They're going to remove the rape and sex scenes and just make it completely normie bait like fate zero and ubw. Why even bother?

I have only read a bit of it, so I can't say much about the story until then. The presentation -art, music and camera work- is amazing. Iirc it didn't bomb, but the sales weren't particularly the best. Some people complained that it was expensive considering its length. It suffers a lot from being a VN trilogy.

Give Fate Zero some credit, it still retained loli worm rape.

I could not believe my eyes the first time I played FGO. It honestly felt like a bad joke when I saw just how awful a large portion of the card art in that game is.

It perfectly demonstrates the sheer greed of these nip companies. FGO has made them literal billions of dollars in pure net profit over the years, and they still cheap out at every opportunity.

You compare it to western companies like Blizzard with Hearthstone and Riot with league of Legends, two games that have improved massively over the years because the studios behind them actually invested some of their money back into the game.

The greedy nips are pocketing all of FGO's profit and getting whales addicted to a game with shit low res art.

It's Type-Moon. Stable market or not, it would sell like hotcakes.

Look at Last Encore then, and that's even a fucking Fate anime.

>Hearthstone
lol

Is "atmosphere" a buzzword? Because I never felt Tsukihime was that especially good at all. Unless people think photos of cities under blue filter is somehow "good" ambiance.

what the fuck is this

The nips love keitarou's artstyle, go fuck yourself

The nips love saberface and rinface. Their shit taste is well known and documented.

It's ironic buzzword.

Because they're good.

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The artist even said on his twitter that he would like to fix it, but it has been a long time since then and nothing happened.
This artist is also in charge of QSH and Case Files manga too btw.

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>Production values alone make atmosphere

>saberface meme

not an argument

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The issue isn't artists but lack of art direction because Takeuchi is retard and character design.

Compare to FEH who have much more consistent artwork.

>FGO has seven official manga adaptations
>seven
how the fuck

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This artist is so cool.

Each one focuses on a different story arc. Five of them each focus on a different singularity from Epic of Remnant.

THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST THIS POST

yeah you have shonenshit normies gatekeeping fate in western communities and telling you not to bother with anything outside the VN

>normies
>gatekeeping fate
go back already

Yeah, Shimousa manga is very well-received in Japan too though it's not really surprising since it usually ranked #4 in favorite chapter survey and the artstyle is great. Shimousa and Emiya Gohan are the only two Fate manga that have good sales number.

Skullduggery's the exception than the rule when it comes to YA

I'm already playing it bro

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Plus it's one of the few adaptations that uses Gudako. Speaking of which, how's the Salem adaptation?

That's a downgrade from Mahoyo's UI/UX and isn't stylistic enough, but good fake nevertheless.

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I wanted to do a face shot like that but the sprite doesn't have the resolution for it to not look like shit.

The art is pretty bad, but the mangaka is really good at making panels, transition (during the Sheba and Solomon play) and portraying the atmosphere. Character's interactions are also nice too. Salem!Gudako is somewhat more gentle, older sister-like than Shimousa!Gudako who is more energetic and cheerful IMO. She is also a good leader too.

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So I'm not the only one

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>Nasu would be doing isekai shit
Extra.

Not him, but I enjoyed Forbidden Game.

How would you describe it then? The quality of the writing was fanfic tier and the art looked like made by someone in DA who didn't know proportions or shading. In VISUAL novel this is important.

Is the Agartha adaptation as gay as I'm hoping it is?

As far as i read, not really. Though the lastest chapter (which i haven't read yet) is when Astolfo and d'Eon change to the sailor and maid outfit but somehow you also have shota Fergus wearing Medb's dress so...

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>100% that not a single one of them has any psychological breakdowns like Tsukihime.

Means her character setting is changed.
Well that is a good sign that her route might have changed as well.

Not at all, it means her character setting is actually being respected. Remember, Akiha hates the color red. So why the fuck would she wear a red skirt?

They forgot the '''''''''''psychological breakdowns'''''''' that are so unrealistically fixed by Shiki's dick or badly written rushed romance in Tsukihime.

Huh what
I meant if she can wear red now then it can mean that her setting is changed to something else where she doesn't have to have red. This could also mean that her route will be different than original.

For all people dislike Sakura, she's the most realistic abuse victim in her reactions and the fallout. Kohaku isn't.

She's wearing black now. She used to wear red.

make more

Oh so it was reserve? I guess I got it wrong. Now this makes sense.

Reverse*

Will it be as good in the remake?

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Kohaku is a fake moedificated rape victim.
Sakura is much more realistic.
Otaku are pathetic for liking the fake and disliking the realistic one on the basis that one can pretend to be cuter and all.

It's the absence of Servants. Fate's Servants make the feel of the series more superheroic - the Servants provide a heroic or villainous anchor, a foil or moral compass for the protagonists to play off of, and shift the story more towards a good/evil sort of angle.

To be honest, I think a number of routes, at least, can only be improved. Ciel's arc, for instance. I always hated how half of it was just copied straight from Arcueid's route. Now she'll actually have a wholly unique route for herself.

Kohaku's route might also be improved. The original was something Nasu hastily put together in two weeks. Kohaku wasn't originally supposed to have a route at all.

This. And Kohaku is bitch. Giant bitch

We like Kohaku because she nearly destroyed the entire Tohno clan singlehandedly. That's way cooler than being corrupted by all the world's evil. Kohaku is cooler than Sakura because she doesn't need phenomenal cosmic powers to ruin everything.

I guess that comes from the whole
>history is decided by the victors
angle, so even servants who may have not been good people in life, are received very positively in death

While I agree that it can be one element, just having Shirou monologuing about being a hero of justice would already make it very silly or at least annoying. But yeah, even if KnK and Tsuki might have stronger characters than Fate, the average "power level" of the story in Fate was constantly much higher than Tsuki, that felt like a more personal and grounded (in comparison) story.

>nearly
It's been years, but didn't she finish the job in one of the endings in Hisui's route? Shiki doesn't count, he's a Nanaya.

It's nothing to do with the power level and more the relatability of the supernatural. Servants provide a level of human relatability and a way to fight back against supernatural malevolence, whereas the supernatural in KnK and Tsukihime is more mysterious, impersonal, and unknowable - forces of nature that can only be survived or appeased.

Shiki was actually a target of her revenge too. She wasn't really doing it out of hatred. She didn't hate Akiha or Shiki at all. I don't think she even hated the other Shiki. But she felt she needed to destroy them out of a need for some sort of function.

Kohaku is the reverse Shirou. When Shirou broke and lost his function as a human, he gained a new function by imprinting on Kiritsugu. Kohaku broke and lost her function, and her desperate need to find a new one led to her taking revenge. She didn't really hate anyone but she needed something to live for, or else she'd just collapse like a doll that had its strings cut.

The Shikis are the most mysterious things in their respective stories, though. They both killed George.

And that's exactly what I'm getting at - the supernatural is always presented as this unknowable, unrelatable thing, even when it has a human face/avatar. There's elements of this in Fate to some extent, but a big theme in Fate is in the clash between human personalities and ideologies; the supernatural stuff takes more of a complementary or backseat role.

Fate is mysterious and you should re-read it since you don't remember.

Now imagine if he used originally intended Flowers of Thanatos ending where Hisui and Kohaku mind merged into one after having threesome with Shiki.

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Akiha is my favorite so I would say yes but other girls are verry good too and have amazing developement aswell. Its just wich one you prefer at this point

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>cooler
She's shallow as fuck. You like her on the basis of some unrealistic "doll like personality" that easily submits to become normal over some irrelevant ribbon shit. That's like some 14 years old likeing some le edgy super ninja assassin girl. We're basing on the quality of writing, Kohaku is a badly written character, it doesn't matter if you think she's a "badass."

Sakura doesn't have to be cooler. She makes you uncomfortable because she acts exactly how a victim of domestic physical and sexual abuse since childhood would act. The self-loathing, the self integrated victim-blaming due to her self loathing, her jealousy and idealization of Rin is painfully human. Kohaku is more passive about being saved that Sakura is too (this has nothing to do with Sakura finally retailing when it breaks the camel's back, but her salvation in an emotional sense). She lets Shiki to do all the emotional larbor while Sakura struggles alongside Shirou for this. Kohaku never offers shit to Shiki as a partner, while Sakura helped Shirou from his depression after Kiritsugu's death.

Kohaku's like a caricature while Sakura is a fully fleshed out and more polished character. The same goes for Arc and Saber.

Tsukihime flopped because it's got too many girls.

It's more the music and the dialogue. The backgrounds are okay.

The music is repetitive and bad. The dialogue are nothing spectacular just ok. Provide an example of brilliance.

>The music is repetitive and bad.
Repetitive, yes. But I don't know how you can argue it's bad.

>The dialogue are nothing spectacular just ok.
I mean, fair enough. I disagree, but there isn't much I can say to convince you otherwise.

I'm not a musician, I can't give technical reasons, but tsukihime has my favorite OST of any VN, or I guess even any game maybe, that I have ever played.

Is there some kind of rivalry with sakurafags that they need to always comparing it to kohaku in tsukihime thread that I'm unaware of?

Is it even possible to get riled up by it? Genuinely curious.

>Is there some kind of rivalry with sakurafags that they need to always comparing it to kohaku in tsukihime thread that I'm unaware of?
Not that user but Fujino/Kohaku/Sakura discussion is a pretty common thing, not just Yea Forums but also on other forums though

It's the atmosphere, isn't it?
I dunno, it's hard to describe. You just kinda feel it.

I honestly have never seen it on any fate or sakura thread.

Really...? That's kind of amazing..

>the Nasu has stopped writing whatever the fuck he wants meme
Fate's prototype (as opposed to Fate/Prototype) was the story he was writing in high school when Takeuchi met him. Fate was always first and biggest baby.

Speaking of Tsukihime VN OST, i'm amazed by how long Keita Haga has been working with Typemoon. Getting two Animation Album of the Year awards for FGO OST I and II must be a great present for him, especially when Japan Gold Disc Award is a fucking big deal in nipland.

Was his first work not Mahoyo? tsukikan.com/mahoyo/about.html

Fate Fight scenes mostly end up being who has the bigger weapon and who hits harder.

kuzuki's hands were bigger than excalibur?

Yes. There's no voice acting, but the CGs and backgrounds look really good. There are also some very well done 'cinematic' scenes with changing CGs and camerawork (panning, zooming etc.). It's paced kind of oddly: It begins well, ramps up and there's a pretty long & good climactic sequence; then everything stalls and there're long SoL sequences, which feel kind of dull after everything that was book 5. Then the plot gets going again and there's a finale, but it isn't quite as good as the first 'finale'.
Still, I liked it. It's maybe closer to KnK than anything else, but isn't quite as dark.

The art is pretty bad

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Based

The only thing I want out of this is a canon Altrouge design. If it ever happens.

Yeah well maybe if they made Tsukihime/Mahoyo content for the first time in 7 years instead of constant FGO cancer more people would be interested in buying merch.

This really shows a rather poor understanding of Kohaku's character. Kohaku wasn't just a victim who was abused, she put herself in that position to take all the abuse for sake of protecting Hisui and ultimately it broke her emotionally and psychologically, so that all she could grasp at where the most innocuous signs of emotional attachment, such as the ribbon. Kohaku is more akin to the revenge heroines found in Greek theater than modern interpretations of domestic abuse, with her unseeming facade belying her ultimate intentions and betrayal, closer to something like Clytemnestra (or even Medea, ironically). She is fundamentally damaged and this can be seen at the end of Hisui's routes where you can even see her not being able to grasp her own regret at killing Akiha and it carries over into her own routes. She doesn't support Shiki because she's not even in a state to support him emotionally, let alone save herself, all she can do is help him in the ways she still understands (i.e. her synchronization). It's only towards the end that any kind of mental healing process can start to take place, a process which is only exacerbated by Akiha's Roa possession making her go off the handle. Her case is an instance of dehumanization, only instead of dehumanization the victim, she dehumanizes herself, it's a raw interpretation that makes for a fantastic development in the Far Side and impacts the story in an important way.
I'm not interested in going on about this Kohaku-Sakura war, I don't really care about Sakura as a character in general, but people who whine about Kohaku really don't seem to get the point and it's frankly bewildering. No one likes her because she's "le edgy pushover doll", don't be an idiot.

>Getting two Animation Album of the Year awards for FGO OST I and II must be a great present for him, especially when Japan Gold Disc Award is a fucking big deal in nipland.
That's right, i'm really really really happy for him. I wonder if OST III will won that award too.

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Wait, if I love tsukihime and fgo but hate fate in everything (except maybe shinji and hans), what does that makes me?

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Ciel and Arc look worse than before

This thread is giving me nostalgia and reminding me that my memory of Tsukihime has gotten really vague. I should replay it one of these days.

Why replay it now? Just wait for the Remake user.

Mahoyo was his first completed work that we know of, though we know he submitted plenty of stories to contests and such. Fate was an unfinished project he wrote in middle school.

Old Arc is perfection.

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Except a couple of them art is mostly solid

Takeuchi and Koyama's art in FGO is merely okay (they're not bringing their A game on any of them), the artists who did stuff like Da Vinci, Holmes, etc. are pretty good but don't account for that many servants, Wada's art is good but her design is still pretty bad, and everyone else kind of falls between passably good and unbelievably awful.
And even if the artwork isn't bad then instead you have designs like Boudica's or styles that are just jarringly out of place like the Count of Danganronpa. It's not great.

>the artists who did stuff like Da Vinci, Holmes, etc. are pretty good
Simosi has worked with Typemoon since FSN if i remember correctly while Yamanaka Kotetsu is since the 2010 UBW anime (she's the illustrator of the key visual and BD cover). Takao's artstyle is definitely not suitable to do "serious" artwork, it fits chibi stuff more.
For non-TM artists, on top of my head pako, Shirabii, lack, hou, Showichi Furumi, Hidari, Taiki and Moriyama Daisuke also have good designs and artstyle too.
Not that user btw, and i'm not saying FGO art is super great or something.

Factually wrong, there are a lot of things that affects the fights

Wada's design is better now tho. Also Edmond and Cleopatra is great it's all about your taste, it's true there are some bad designs and arts but it's mostly decent

I mean, yes, there are good artists and designs, but the bad ones really stand out and kind of makes it all for naught.

I never said that Edmond is bad, but "jarringly out of place" is not an unreasonable assessment, Wada's is a little distanced from Takeuchi and Koyama's style but not THAT far out.

Can we just appreciate how brazen Nasu was with his fetishes before really trashy light novels became the norm ? Like normally you get away with writing one of your fetishes in a story, but with Akiha, Azaka, Illya and other stuff he made it really clear that he loves incest and imoutos

The one who designed most of the EXTRA Servants was Takeuchi, though.

Two of those aren't even blood-related. The one who IS blood-related never had a chance.

When will takeuchi and nasu stop making saberclones and sakuraclones for the gachashit like retards and make the remake?

Lol what
I don't remember how Akiha's father died, assuming that he died naturally, Kohaku got SHIKI to fight Shiki which was inevitable whether she interrupted or not, and only had Akiha killed in her route. It is the same Akiha that showed her gentleness and became friends with her. So killing her friend was cooler?

Kohaku is not better than sakura.

The best villains are the ones who don't need to be manipulated into committing their sins.

This is just plain stupid.
She has a sister, a nice master and bad days were gone.
Lol I wanted a reason to live so I'm killing the tohnos is just stupid. She could just move on to serial killing the citizens as well.

>man X was so cool why don't they remake it?
why don't you just replay the original? a remake is usually filled with retcons anyway

If she were capable of that, she wouldn't be broken. A common theme in Nasu's stories is that people who are "broken" can't be fixed so easily. Those who are broken can't mend themselves, nor can they stop their self-destructive behavior of their own accord. Nearly all of Nasu's stories feature at least one character who's like this.

As a doujin title, Nasu seems to regard Tsukihime as an early, unrefined draft.

He baited enough though
Maybe tsukihime had an influence of the whole imouto thing booming.

why would you want 2019 nasu to write anything?

This situation would be similar to shirou killing anyone close/related to kiritsugu after he learnt that the fire happened bevause of kiritsugu.
Being broken is just an excuse and it won't stop her from looking retarded.
In Tsuki, every character suffered one way or another but they didn't try to avenge on their innocent friends.

To another 10 years

Except from kuhaku of course*

Who are you referring to here? SHIKI?

Takeuchi is the one guy with a brain in that fucking company.

It's different. Broken people find different ways to cope with their damages minds. Shirou mended his broken mind by taking on Kiritsugu's image. The very first thing Shirou saw after breaking was Kiritsugu's relieved face at finally managing to save someone. This single image would form the foundations of Shirou's entire way of life henceforth. Shirou is like a machine whose core programming got wiped, and had to take on a new core program to continue functioning. The image of Kiritsugu's smiling face after finding him is his core programming. Thus, even after learning that Kiritsugu is ultimately responsible for the fire doesn't change anything, as the program had already been fully installed ten years prior.

Kohaku's situation is that she never had anything replace the programming that she lost. Having lost her original function as a human, she tried to find something to fill the blanks. She realized that if any other person were in her shoes, they would try to take revenge. Thus, in her efforts to obtain a function as a person, Kohaku tried to emulate what she believed other people would do.

>I don't remember how Akiha's father died, assuming that he died naturally
Then your memory is atrocious, it's stated that Kohaku deliberately messed with SHIKI to drive him to murder his father, which he did.
>Kohaku got SHIKI to fight Shiki which was inevitable whether she interrupted or not
She deliberately made SHIKI more unstable and fed him her blood to encourage him to do it to make him a target for Shiki, the only way this is ever changed is when Roa takes over, otherwise SHIKI and Shiki would never have fought at all.
>It is the same Akiha that showed her gentleness and became friends with her. So killing her friend was cooler?
It's clearly established that the Tohno blood is fucking doomed and Kohaku observes this herself, and it was a fair assessment as we see in Akiha and Kohaku's own routes.
>Kohaku is not better than sakura.
Your opinion, but given how much you seemed to not remember or plain didn't understand, I don't think you're in much of a position to judge Tsukihime in general, much less Kohaku.

>I didn't fucking read it
Her revenge determination occurred while she was still being regularly raped, dumbass. She thought she and Hisui could be spared when Makihisa sent her to tend to SHIKI but then SHIKI starting raping her too, QED the entire Tohno line is fucked and needs to go (which we know is true when Akiha inverts and fucks shit up). Not difficult logic, but I guess some people still don't get it.

Make the story mode Guilty Gear Xrd style then.

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Tsukihime is overrated. I bet 90% of the people who talk about it hasn't even read it.

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"Jarringly out of place" is a weird criticism when the whole point is that there's not supposed to be a unified art style. F/GO sold itself partially on bringing in a billion guest artists, and having the crossover feeling of a hundred different mythologies while the actual writing stays within the Nasuverse.

You may not like it, but it's a deliberate choice that seems to have paid off. The excitement I see whenever Wada is super horny or Azusa draws the big muscles is pretty obvious.

When people become rich, they lose the ability to write.

Poor people write better stories than rich people.

Tenchi existed before Tsukihime

Nasu mentioned meeting Tenchi's creator before.

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>"Jarringly out of place" is a weird criticism
And yet it is one that is frequently leveled at it, particularly unfavourably compared to most other gatcha games. You can argue that it's the point, but it won't change the fact that it bothers a reasonable number of people.
>having the crossover feeling of a hundred different mythologies while the actual writing stays within the Nasuverse.
That might carry some weight if the art styles were actually divided with in-setting margins, such as different mythologies/time periods, etc. but that isn't the case, so its more like a random mish-mash that doesn't hold up well under scrutiny. If Dantes actually looked the same as French servants or even 19th century servants it might work, but he doesn't, there's no internal consistency.
>You may not like it, but it's a deliberate choice that seems to have paid off. The excitement I see whenever Wada is super horny or Azusa draws the big muscles is pretty obvious.
More power to you, but you can be guaranteed that people will be put off by servants with dubious artstyles and designs (e.g. Luvia), and that's straight up money lost right there, so go figure.

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>Ciel's long head
>Arc's hair is shaggy instead of classy bob cut and she also looks younger
>saberface
With how retarded Takeuchi is at drawing, maybe it's a good thing
And why do you still care, it's 2019

Kohaku is quality tested and approved! Passed all stress tests and meets all requirements!

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I finished Hisui's route and just started Kohaku's, I'm actually fucking scared.

She's easily one of the cutest girls from TM. She's singlehandedly the reason Hisui's route is my favorite.
This is pretty much what you should feel.

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I love Arc

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huh?

Not possible untill fate milked dry.

>Is this ever going to happen
What? A Tsukihime collab in FGO? Next year hopefully.

just right for 20th anniversary. forget about the remake.

kys

>I come here to relieve stress by swearing
Anyways, by your logic or Kohaku's logic the tohno is gonna invert and attack people so it is better if they died huh. I didn't know Kohaku was a seigi no mikata as well. Wanna kill all people or at least ex-convicts because there is possibility they will commit crime (again)?
Kohaku didn't have any right to kill Akiha as she is not destined to invert at all. She didn't invert in the Arc and Ciel routes for example. She inverted in Kohaku's route because she assumed her best friend stole her lover and well Nasu probably thought a change of pace for the main antagonist would be nice for the last route.
SHIKI fucking hated Shiki for getting along with Akiha and Roa was gonna overtake anyways so they were destined to fight.
>How can you not remember every detail about a novel game where you read like 12 years ago
Oh sorry, I will be careful on my reread not to assume stupid shit like SHIKI and Shiki wouldn't end up fighting if not for Kohaku, even though they literally share one life and one of them is need to go so the other survives in the end.

>Tsukihime is twenty years old.
Fuck, I feel old.

>Anyways, by your logic or Kohaku's logic the tohno is gonna invert and attack people so it is better if they died huh. I didn't know Kohaku was a seigi no mikata as well. Wanna kill all people or at least ex-convicts because there is possibility they will commit crime (again)?
Her primary motivation was revenge after protecting Hisui. And actually it made a lot of sense, better a controlled detonation than letting Akiha explode whenever.
>Kohaku didn't have any right to kill Akiha as she is not destined to invert at all.
It is already pre-determined, this is known. The only one to ever known to be able to not invert is Kouma who was the perfect hybrid and was essentially already inverted but perfectly balanced, becoming a mystery in his own right. Akiha WILL invert at some time, the only question is when and how dire the consequences will be.
>SHIKI fucking hated Shiki for getting along with Akiha
And would have stayed cooped up and less insane if Kohaku hadn't kept pushing him, she was the one who let him out.
>Roa was gonna overtake anyways
Except he fails to in the Far Side, not unlike him failing to take control of Akiha in Kohaku's and Shiki in Ciel's, his identity was already fading by that point.
>even though they literally share one life and one of them is need to go so the other survives in the end.
Akiha is keeping Shiki alive, it's a three-way system, the compulsion to kill was from SHIKI's rampages carrying across to Shiki, without it the connection wouldn't have been exacerbated.
>How can you not remember every detail about a novel game where you read like 12 years ago
You forgot Makihisa was fucking KILLED by SHIKI, it's one of the most important plot points in the entire VN. That's like not knowing Marley was dead to begin with. Fucking sort your shit out.

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Or, in summary: Kohaku Doori.

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>even the design choice of modelling Ciel as Miki from Meguka is dinosaur archaic now
Takeuchi probably needs to start over from scratch. I just want Arc to get her long skirt back.

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4.
Don't fix what isn't broken. I'm only willing to move as far as 3, and that's on sufferance, the hair vents and long skirt have to stay.

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They should use the manga chara-design, neo TM is shit.

Why is her sweater torn at the bottom? Damn Arc, at least make sure Merem is sorting your threads out for you properly.

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I don't even know who I'm looking at here, apart from cat-Len.

Went to another dimension where the animu exists and watched it. Wasn't very good. The manga dumps have amended my impression of it quite a bit though.

Satsuki Yumizuka

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Literally only deducible from the hair colour. That's not a good sign.

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even if the tsukihime comes out tomorrow it'll take years to have a translation

Cute that she can control her eye color now

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at least it will actually come out tho

All I really need from her design are the hair vents and granny skirt.

This.

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