Was he right to try and preserve the stagnant peace for so long?

He was the best out of a handful of horrible choices for the city.

Don't know if he was right but I don't blame him for doing it. Seeing how blood thirsty the leadership were it's respectable that he tried to keep the peace.

Weren't the Class originally supposed to act as ambassadors between Lux and the Surface? After all if I remember right that was the original reason why they were shipping Raffia to them up there so they needed someone to act as intermediaries, if the class could do that then they would be taken to the surface as a promise by the people up there. But you know Kano is just basically the result of generations of transhumanist inbreeding so shit like that will happen eventually.

So, if understood anything, at some point in the future, almost everyone who had a certain genetic marker that identified them as prone to violence or antisocial behavior was ironically massacred by those who didn't have it and the few that weren't were sent to live in Lux, right?

The problem with onishi is that in trying to maintain the peace the stagnation caused wouldve probably led to the people of lux becoming like the theonormals due to the inaction and lack of a motivating force to try stopping extinction. Why do you think doc killed herself after seeing the theonormals?

>Weren't the Class originally supposed to act as ambassadors between Lux and the Surface? After all if I remember right that was the original reason why they were shipping Raffia to them up there so they needed someone to act as intermediaries, if the class could do that then they would be taken to the surface as a promise by the people up there.
I think you're generally right, and Doc's last conversation with Ichise suggests that there is a close relationship (she believes that the Class "could come back above-ground if we really wanted to" because "we are the people who should, by right, live above-ground.").

I've re-watched the show way too many times but I probably need to re-watch it again just to remember what exactly the relationship is.

It's still strange to me that Kano seems to have all this knowledge ("I knew all along the surface world was about to die out" etc.,) without ever having been there, and in that same pretentious rambling to Ichise he even says that he knew from the beginning that sending the Shapes above ground to ostensibly invade the surface was never going to work out at all.

I still have no idea whether to buy his boasting that he was born to become Lux's brain/nerve center or perhaps the possibility that he gained all of this information by Shaping Ran to his statue. Like Ichise I'd rather just punch his head off or something.

Sounds about right. Saginuma's 'theorizing' to Ichise that the Theonormals pinning their hopes on the Luxian exiles to find a way to evolve beyond the current stasis is something I think about from time to time as well.

Actually I think I msiread your post. I don't think it's that those who didn't have the genetics to foster conflict were banished, but that the Theonormals eventually relented and decided to banish the survivors of the massacres underground rather than completely wipe them out.

Yeah I can't say for sure how Kano would get that kinda knowledge about the surface but I imagine the class would've still had connections with the surface. It's not like the elders really gave a shit about what he did anyway and just dismissed a lot of his talk as nonsense. You gotta remember the dude literally thought Lux (and the surface by extension) only existed in his mind and considering what he was born with, he was just a genetic freak. Still though I probably need to rewatch the anime again because I need to know what those bodies in the water were for before they got all shot up.

But I like the class because of just how fucked up their genetics and culture are. They wear all these fancy clothes, build complex architecture and technology all the while being arguably more barbaric than the citizens of lux. You can't tell me that having servants walking around with cloth stitched over their eyes is not a cruel thing to do.

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>The problem with onishi is that in trying to maintain the peace the stagnation caused wouldve probably led to the people of lux becoming like the theonormals due to the inaction
The people of Lux living in stagnation wouldn't have lead to them becoming Theonormals without Kano's actions. Ichise was a native born from Lux and was ultimately able to grow and change. The possibility for the humanity in Lux to regain momentum was always at least a possibility.

>Why do you think doc killed herself after seeing the theonormals?
Doc didn't kill herself because she saw the Theonormals, she killed herself because of the surface's apathetic response to her texhnolyzation research. She saw texhnolyzation as being the means to progress humanity past its stagnant state and the complete disregard of it's potential along with the state of the surface robbed her of any sense of purpose.

>Still though I probably need to rewatch the anime again because I need to know what those bodies in the water were for before they got all shot up.
Having watched it multiple times alone, with a friend, AND having participated in a rewatch event with Japanese fans I still have no idea what the fuck those are though the theories offered here in the past and elsewhere are compelling even if they still feel like they're raising more questions than they're answering (i.e, Raffia-grown beings/creatures, Class members bathing/using Raffia for their own leisure). Should probably finally get to learning Japanese so I can pose the question to Hamasaki or Konaka on Twitter. I don't even know if the three anniversary doujinshi which feature interviews with those two, Ueda, and ABe, ever ask that question.

Also interesting to think about why Zushi was on the Hill and not with Kano in the opera house when Shinji was on his rampage. It definitely seems like to me he might have been trying to protect whatever the creatures in the Raffia pool were, and after having failed, offed himself. Of course, Kano doesn't seem to give a shit about his servant's death or the mass killings of what the Class were keeping secret all this time.

Great post.

>Ichise was a native born from Lux and was ultimately able to grow and change
Episode 21's opening narration about Ichise both "loving and hating the monster within himself" perfectly captures this, and like you say, he's arguably the only character to change for the better as a result.

>The possibility for the humanity in Lux to regain momentum was always at least a possibility.
This can't really be emphasized enough with how often people tend to call the series fatalistic or nihilistic. It also speaks to how fallible every single character is--especially Ran. Her foresight doesn't save her from the fact that she's as human as everybody else. Just because she sees an apocalyptic future and wants to prevent it doesn't mean she can make sure all the right pieces fall into place.

If I was in ichise's position I would've just ran away with doc, she's prime mature pussy

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No. Only Yoshii was right, and he wound up getting carried away and messing around too much, which caused his death and the miserable end of Lukuss.

if you think about it if texhnolyze was a lesser series that would've happened and it'd be a shitty adam and eve metaphor

Everyone in the show thought they had galaxy brains, but were just confused by their shitty situation.

No, yoshii was the underground's only hope. If he couldn't rekindle the spark of humanity, no one could. Everything after was just how it probably would have played out in reality: long and futile struggling, violence, and technology killing us in the end.
Most shows go for a flashy end, but you could always see a bounce back with survivors as a possibility. This show was different; it was one of a few shows where you just know we're fucked at the end. The worst part is that the surface essentially has a utopia, but you still know there's nothing supporting it; it's a facade.