Why don't more manga and anime do what FMA did and just have a proper run time? It neither did some seasonal bullshit nor did it overstay it's welcome with a bunch of filler. It was a comfy 60 something episode ride that was the absolute perfect length.
Seasonal 12 episode cour bullshit is so fucking lame and never ending anime like Wan Piss sucks too. This is the biggest problem with anime.
I’m guessing it has something to do with making money or something like that.
I don't see how anime studios make money pushing out the same story written 90 times over for 12 episodes every season. It's so boring, doesn't give characters any time to develop, and nothing is good anymore. I could see stuff like MHA and OP making money though, but that's because Jump.
>Why don't more manga and anime do what FMA did and just have a proper run time?
It's not the '80s anymore.
Well consider if the show is shit like most are. Then they’d be obligated to do the rest of the sixty episodes even though it’s making nothing in profits.
Back in the day they could get away with this because their was less competition.
Fma’s original anime was made while the manga was ongoing and had to go anim original. Brotherhood wasnt until the manga finished. Most adapts are for unfinished works and people would be mad if every show went original just to rush some sort of conclusion for anime onlys.
But a lot of seasonal anime is just 12 episodes that never gets a second season or literally just ends after 12 episodes. It's like they exist just to suck up money every seasons to put into the better anime.
>LITERALLY any anime adaption made after 2010
>check the source material
>"ongoing"
i hate it. i fucking hate it.
-Not every studio can afford to just run the show straight through. Budgets exist.
-FMA:B was made with the intent on it finishing alongside the manga, basically no other anime has this kind of privilege
You're largely forgetting that anime adaptations solely exist to sell the existing source material. If it happens to be a good anime on top of that, that's great but that's not the point of them
You make it sound like this was wasn't the case in the 2000s?
They do
>why don't most anime catch up to the manga then have a shitty original ending, then years later when the manga is almost over, have a remake that covers everything?
I mean, it worked for FMA, but that won't work for every single shonen anime. At least you have adaptations of old manga like Jojo and Ushio and Tora that don't have to worry about adapting ongoing material.
When it comes to ongoing material, you have 3 anime adapting options:
1. Be ongoing forever, until the manga ends or the anime gets canceled (One Piece, Black Clover, Bleach)
2. Do an anime original ending (FMA, Soul Eater, Blue Exorcist) and pray to god a more faithful adaptation comes along later (FMA Brotherhood, Blue Exorcist S2)
3. Have it be seasonal (MHA, Food Wars, Promised Neverland, AoT)
All 3 have their issues, but I'd say that the 3rd one is the most consistent. Yeah, you have to worry about a new season not being renewed and the anime essentially just ending up being an advertisement for the source material (Magi and Nisekoi). It's basically what light novel adaptations and non shonen jump anime have been dealing with for ages (still mad about Devil is a Part Timer). That doesn't seem to be a problem with the recent WSJ adaptations, outside of Nisekoi and most likely Yunna.
It still beats never ending anime with their inconsistent animation and filler content, and I'm glad we're past the anime original endings since I can't think of one that was actually good. And no, being better than the manga's shitty ending doesn't make it a good ending (looking at you Soul Eater).
manga and anime never end, youre looking in the wrong place if you want full and satisfying stories
>manga and anime never end
Yeah they do. It's ending satisfactorily that's a flip of the coin.
I wonder how the mangaka got so lucky. It's not like she was in Jump or anything and it was a 'relatively' small studio. She must be super happy with her luck!
tfw will kill myself before berserk finishes
it isn't fair lads
If your anime needs 60 episodes to develop a plot or characters, its plot and characters are complete shit. The shows that go on for that long have multiple arcs anyway, making your point irrelevant because the plot is constantly resetting, which they could do just as easily across multiple seasons. Do you think that every movie is garbage because it's impossible to start and finish a plot in 2 hours?
FMA Brotherhood is literally the exception. The old way was to have shit like Nardo where it would catch up to the manga too fast and then would be beset with abysmal filler for months straight. Also animation quality would suffer. Cours are better
>If your anime needs 60 episodes to develop a plot or characters, its plot and characters are complete shit.
The fuck? With that logic every anime that's 12-26 episodes is perfect? Not every anime has the same kind of storytelling.
I feel like anime as "an advertisement for the source material" is the stupidest thing ever. I get that the source material needs love, but there are other ways to advertise without needing to blow all your budget on an anime. Especially when at least 80% of anime are bottom of the barrel and end up turning viewers OFF of trying the manga. When was the last time you watched an anime and then went to read the source material that wasn't
>in jump
>made by a great studio like bones/madhouse
?
And when has reading the source material on a pirate site ever lead into someone actually paying for it/supporting the author directly? The odds have to be astronomical that it helps at all, maybe less than 1% of anime viewers do it. They could spend their advertising budget on much better things than a half baked anime that never gets a second season and is laden with CG.
Are all Japanese people just hopefully optimistic or is there some elaborate ruse here that somehow makes it all worthwhile in the end?
>When was the last time you watched an anime and then went to read the source material that wasn't
>>in jump
>>made by a great studio like bones/madhouse
if WIT doesn't count as a "great studio" then I did it three times in the last two seasons
>Shingeki no Kyojin
>Vinland Saga
>Joshikousei no Mudazukai
>I feel like anime as "an advertisement for the source material" is the stupidest thing ever
I mean you remember the first mainstream TV anime was Astro Boy right? An adaptation of the ongoing manga at the time? You say it's the stupidest thing ever but more people can get attracted to something through anime than just manga on it's own. Literally look at KnY from this season alone to see that in action
>And when has reading the source material on a pirate site ever lead into someone actually paying for it/supporting the author directly?
The fuck? You do remember anime is primarily aimed at Japan first right?
FMA Sucks
>When was the last time you watched an anime and then went to read the source material that wasn't
>>in jump
>>made by a great studio like bones/madhouse
never LMAO
Do you think Japanese people are saints that don't pirate things and get everything for free when they can? Because you're wrong, it's human nature.
Of course not, but they pirate a whole lot less than the rest of the world
>FMA came out in the 80's
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A lot of series that aren't from the 80s do it though. FMA being a prime example. Jojo's being another.
Anime original endings are pretty frowned upon nowadays and I can't think of any recent ones, so the choice for studios is cash in on a big franchise while it's running and adapt some of at a time or make less money by adapting the whole thing once it's over. FMA03 got around this by doing an anime original ending ,which was seen differently back then, and brother hood was in the works since before shamballa came out and was designed so it would end in tandem to the manga which drives sales for both.Brotherhood was really lightning in a bottle.
anime aren't made to be good
anime aren't made to sell
anime are made to sell merchandise and start multimedia franchises.
FMA was six-cour, though.
>And when has reading the source material on a pirate site
Is your argument here literally "Don't advertise things at all because everyone will pirate it and you won't make any money?" Might as well just stop making media by that logic.
Most anime are glorified ads for their manga/game/LN/VN. Battle shounen/shoujo, family comedies (things that air at 5/6/7pm or sat/sun morning), will last a year (or at least get renewed yearly if they're seen as having a positive effect (selling toys/merch). Presumably FMA got picked up for a year slot because they knew it would take 20-30 episodes to cover the existing manga, then they had a deal with the author to 'make the ending different', so they could either buy 3 cours or 4. This was also during an era of 'anime original ending' being common, something I'm glad is sort of dying.
Studios could also take hits during the 80s/90s/early 00. These days 2~ original flops in a row might kill your studio (or at least your ability to not be a mere outsource location, without creative freedom, thus loosing any directors/talent you had). Taking that sweet sweet commission money is far more stable.
>I feel like anime as "an advertisement for the source material"
It's not, just like any comic book or Disney movie it's commercial for merchandise and gadgets.
>It's not, just like any comic book or Disney movie it's commercial for merchandise and gadgets.
The source material counts as merchandise
>It's like they exist just to suck up money every seasons to put into the better anime.
Yes. And those anime that do get continuous seasons (or proper conclusions) are better for it. There are many problems with the current model, but seasons are much better for the overall quality of anime. Good long-runners are very much the exception whereas seasonal shows have proper production cycles to keep quality consistent - in animation at least; writing is another issue.
>write book. Nothing gets published until you're 100% finished. Reader gets the completed product & can finish it in one shot.
>be mangaka. Trickle out an issue here & there, processes are fragmented & involved multiple contributors. Reader gets whatever the creator has managed to finish & will wait for more.
>make anime. Teams involving dozens of people who need to be paid, a story which is either original or an adaptation, significantly higher production costs increases the odds of revenue-generating processes being introduced
I love One Piece, but if I could get the story in a book form I'd be thrilled. Then again, Oda could be like GRRM and never finish his series.
There's no way to win. Just take what you can get.
A book one piece would be 50 years in the making, please no. Manga are just like penny novels/magazines of the 1800s/1900s. A story is released as chapters and eventually collected into a book, just in manga/comics case it's pictures. The model works, test the waters with something, check out reception and decide if you continue.
Funny you say that.
Last book I finished was The Count of Monte Cristo, blasted through it during a two week hospital stay.
Looking up the history of the publication is fascinating when you consider the size of the finished product.
Different ecosystem for literature I suppose.
Some books used to be published on chapter to chapter basis in magazines you stupid fuck
This has literally always been the case.
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>-FMA:B was made with the intent on it finishing alongside the manga, basically no other anime has this kind of privilege
There's plenty of anime that ended alongside the manga retard.
>and brother hood was in the works since before shamballa came out and was designed so it would end in tandem to the manga which drives sales for both.Brotherhood was really lightning in a bottle.
Cool horseshit bro
>there are many types of books
>some standalone
>some part of a serialization
No shit, its part of why I mentioned Monte Cristo. Why the hostility? Is it because I mentioned GRRM and it got you triggered?
Have the Baccano LNs ended?
Name 3.
Although I can't speak for other countries, where I live this kind of "penny litterature" was very popular and active until WW2. However it died off relatively quickly after that. It's an interesting comparison, because it's the exact same concept, but I never connected the dots until now.
Did you magically forget that the 2003 series exist (you're even using an image from tit) which also got bogged down by filler because it caught up to the manga's story and that FMAB came out when the manga was a year away from finishing?
Yeah why do bookstores even exist anymore. Why is any form of media sold when it can just be pirated? Actually just kill yourself.
user why do you think Shamballa got cucked?It was originally planned to be another series but they had to cut it down to a movie because they wanted to kill 03 to start getting ready for brotherhood, it's in the commentary on the shamballa disk.
All TV anime is cour anime. FMA just ran for more cours than others.
Can you name at least 5
>the more things change
>the more things stay the same
Sometimes people have a whole story to sell & sometimes they've only got a great idea and the passion to see it through.
I do wonder how it affects motivation for the author, knowing a significant chunk of people are waiting with anticipation for your work must have interesting psychological effects.
I’m a fan of anime cours!