Why don't we ever see tsunderes anymore?

Why don't we ever see tsunderes anymore?

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No real place for them in isekai.

Replaced by the superior Yamato Nadeshiko. Tsundere is about as played out as WW2 FPS.

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That's what Wise is Okaa-san Online is.

What do you mean? There are still everywhere.

because tsundere's are hard to write well and most modern LN authors are garbage at writing

??? More than half of the isekai series I read or have watched have them.

or more like tsundere is a garbage archetype, it has always been a cheap way of creating forced character development instead of more natural.

You mean tsundere like Asuka, right? Otherwise you're blind, user.

THK pls.

There is plenty of good kuudere characters, and its less unrealistic of an archetype than tsundere.

An archetype is terrible by definition. The original tsunderes weren’t made by authors trying to make tsunderes, they were trying to create a character which in some way reflected a real life experience. And to make it understandable to audiences that means you actually have to come up with believable reasons for why a girl would act that way. Now it’s just a shortcut for building a character’s emotional backstory.

Cause they are shit and is one of the most abused and flanderized stereotypes ever.
Kyoko/madoka was the good stuff that made you fall in love.
Asuka/Rin is the cancer that ruined it.

Kuudere are inherently more interesting than tsundere
At least they aren't defined by shitty violence or bipolar flip flops in personality

We don't?

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>grew tired
Name 10 that are actually one-dimensional and unpopular baka ecchi urusai types for that reason. Protip: Shana, Taiga, and Louise aren't it.

t. THK

Mai a shit and was overshadowed by every other girl
Tomoe was best girl

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What a great argument.

Do you know how bias you sound right now? Which is fine, you know, but it's a terrible thing to be blind and oblivious to your own bias.

I disagree.

explain how

kuuderes have no personality. they barely talk. they barely do anything. most anime you could replace them with a lifeless mannequin and the story wouldn't be changed.

Source of this girl?

Mai is best girl. Nips and people everywhere agreed. don't bother them about it.

Kuudere are basically huggie pillows. With the difference that the girls printed in huggie pillows usually show some emotion.

Tsundere, Kuudere, shitty spineless male MC.
The cancer, the AIDS, and the ebola of the anime industry. All thanks to evangelion.

Mai is a mix tsun and kuu. Not a true tsundere.

Me top left

Those are danderes

>muh violence oh so serious and damaging in anime
>muh bipolar meme that isn't accurate in any way
You don't deserve one

You are confusing dandere with kuudere. Please do watch more anime.

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>20 years later and they still haven't improved on the formula
As expected of the master.

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same shit

They are like shit and crap.
Is the same trope with a slight variation.

There is a difference between snarky/cold and being a lifeless doll. Sejou, Yukino and Kazusa aren't the latter.

Wrong.

Maou-sama, SAO, KonoSuba, and Isekai Maou, and Re:Zero are some of the biggest isekai and they all have them. The first four' tsundere are the most popular girls in their respective series too.

unironically blame westernfags that hate tsunderes for being mean with the MC. that's bully!

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She's pretty low tsun.

>tfw you think Onodera and Nagato Yuki are the same character archetype

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Somebody’s mad the hajidere won.

Yuki=dandere
Onodera=hajidere
Kuuderes are girls like CC.

It's unrealistic in a character drama or in a somewhat serious story.

Why in the world you would want to deal with pic related in her younger years?
Cause that's what a tsundere is. A nightmare housewife when she was still cute and young enough for a dude to deal with her histeric bullshit.

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the hajidere was best girl... but even then, that didn´t make the tsundere bad

>muh realism
This guy.

Danbooru has the full list.

Because you say so? Show examples and explain why based on context.

A bitchy bipolar and violent tsundere in those bittersweet character drama romcoms that have been popular for the last few years would feel out of place. When your having over the top slapstick in a story thats supposed to take itself seriously, it makes no sense.

Muv-luv shits all over you.

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Asked for examples, not your hypothetical and made up synopsis that is convenient to your narrative.

Was wondering when you were gonna post that, THK.

tsunderes are great
>insecure
>put up a tough front because they want to hide their insecurity
>afraid to show affection because it shows weakness
>that amazing payoff when the tsundere finally confesses her feelings

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>bitchy bipolar and violent tsundere in those bittersweet character romcoms that have been popular for the last few years
Who and where? Name 5.

Pretty agreeable

They were a cheap, overused character troupe. I don't mourn that we're getting less of them. They were a gag and a source of cheap drama most of the time.

On the other hand, they probably aren't around as much simply because they don't fit well into isekai, power fantasy garbage, and it feels like that's all that gets made these days.

Like it was said here The only good tsunderes are the ones that were made before the word tsundere existed. Or at least became a popular term associated to a stereotyped behavior.

I prefer girls who are well written and aren't archetypes.

Tsunderes are acceptable if the tsun part is just haughty and stubborn, as opposed to downright abusive.

I have zero regrets that Asuka clones are a dying breed.

Taiga and Asuka type characters wouldn't work in series like Oregairu, Saekano and WA2.

This.
This is the root of all evil. Stereotyped pre-packed characters. The moment you write a character as a "dere" type that character is already bound to be crap.

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literally every girl can be described with a character archetype

i like the insecure tsunderes

What archetype would Enma Ai be?

A major problem with tsunderes is that they became popular when Shinji clones became popular as well.
There is a huge difference between a Lum shocking Ataru that have looney toones immortality, and without her treatement he would become a serial rapist.
And abusing a little girly guy allergic to vagina and without any spine. This become pure cringe, and make you want to beat the shit out of her until she crawl to him to lick his feet and make an oath of eternal servitude.

>NGE
Over 20 years old and Asuka is actually realistic to behaving like a damaged human being. She's not bipolar, but acts out and against in ways that are bitchy for good reasons.
>Toradora
Was 10 years ago and it is a romcom drama crafted to fit a character like Taiga. Taiga is in no way bipolar at all, and only puts up a mean strong front to protect herself. Both the above exhibit hedgehog effect, which is real and entirely suits the writing and genre of their given series. NGE is unique, to date no NGE-like series has tried to replicate Rei and Asuka. Moot point to claim a character like Asuka aren't seen anymore since Asuka was made. For Taiga, characters like her are still being made, so what are you even going on about?

Ther is difference to apply a label to a character, and apply a character to a label.

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>Mutual tsundere retards

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Taiga a shit

Because? Let me guess, violence is a big no no to you regardless of circumstance, context, and the fact you are projecting.

THK BTFO.

am I the only one who thinks mai is very similar personality wise to senjougahara

Only normalfags hate dere archetypes.

You are always wrong.

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Both Mai and Crab are worst girls so it makes sense

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Did you ever read/watch the series I mentioned? I don't think you have. In any case, 8man wouldn't want anything to do with a girl like Asuka/Taiga/etc. Tomoya would think she's a normalfag. Oreki would probably call the police on them for assault.

No, just about everyone called the series discount Monogatari when it was airing.

Yes, faggot. Not only did you fail to name 5, you even moved the goalpost by diverting the argument to making up scenarios where they may be out of place by forcibly sticking them in entirely different series written by other creators that differs greatly from the setting and story they originally came from, ergo they may not conform to the established genre and circumstances. Like no shit. Real smarts there.

Agreed but Bat a best

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Mai > Kaede > Nodoka > Tomoe > Saki >>> Futaba
Bat > Doll = Snail > Crab > Snake = Phoenix > Math > Bee > Monkey >>> Cat

>Tomoe is best girl
Based
>Mai a shit
Unbased.

Tomoe=Kaede>Mai>Maimouto>Futaba

God you sound like a contrarian. Hitagi is vastly more popular than Hanekawa for a good reason.

Because she's an insufferable cunt with an awful personality. Maybe you're a masochist, but most people don't consider breaking into someone's house at night and attacking them with a wooden sword to be acceptable behaviour.

>a tsundere will never call you a baka

why live

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me playing piano

>Taiga and Mikoto are bad
Automatic shit taste. Some of the others are bad, sure, but that doesn't excuse the fuckups. There are also some I just don't know.

there is LITERALLY not a single good romance anime with a tsundere love interest

i've seen them all

I was saying that to begin with see:
Also Eriri Spencer is treated a joke in her series and betrays the MC, sensei is treated as a joke and is leaving the story. See a pattern?

where have you been all this time?
Yea Forums has been hating Senjougahara for years already. Redditgahara is how people call her

Cat and Crab are both the worst. Stop arguing over which piece of shit is more appealing.

Yea Forums is not one person, newfag.

It's fucking slapstick user. It's exaggerated behavior used for comedic purposes while also serving to illustrate her character traits for later examination.

kokoro connect

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>he doesn't know

He's THK. He just hates any tsundere or tsun-like girls that are either popular and/or triggers him hard because he projects them being mean or physically abusive in some way.

Senjougahara isn't tsundere, newfag. She's a kuudere.

Hitagi has always been a subject of great interest which also included heated debates and dissecting her personality. A highly popular character like her will draw detractors, and it comes with the territory. But make no mistake, she's far more liked than not. The only character who consistently surpasses her is Shinobu ever since Nise came out.

>Bitch have insufferable crappy personality, yapping and complaining constantly, thinking you owe her shit for no reason
>B-but is cause she is insecure and need love
Tsunderetards in a nutshell.

this drugging bitch is what passes as tsundere nowadays
shows how sad the state of the archetype is

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^ nobody even respond to it

I can appreciate slapstick violence if it's done in something like Urusei Yatsura, but I find it somewhat jarring in slice of life series that are otherwise grounded in reality.

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>being this new
Hitagi was initially a mix. It's been argued to death. THK doesn't even care about the technical details. Hitagi has violent tendencies, half of which comes from being part yandere and the other from being tsundra, and that's enough for him.

funny how nobody ever talks about "THK" in the Monogatari threads despite them being full of people hating slutgahara

>Can't see the shorts
Is that even Mikoto?

I don't think THK is in the Monogatari threads. I'm a huge fan of tsunderes but hate Crab because she's shit.

Exactly. That crazy faggot is just obsessed with calling people he doesn't like THK

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If she was truly an insufferable cunt with an awful personality, then there shouldn't be a reason why people can come to love Taiga and see the angel and cuteness underneath the facade and psychological issues she had. It's obvious you are just saying venting based on personal problems you have. I was right and you couldn't hold back to cite violence being the reason why you hate her. You lack maturity and understanding of an adult, you probably never picked up on empathy either.

Bakemonogatari was before THK's time. He missed the chance to build a foothold and it would be pointless anyways given how tenacious the fanbase is. Plus, Hitagi isn't the only tsundere in Monogatari. He would have to start shit with others too, and one particular fanbase are a group he can't afford to piss off. But like with Oreimo, even if he doesn't go in those threads, he still hates them and reveals himself in tsundere threads or related meta discussions.

cool tinfoil hat bro

Nino is great. What's the problem? Her growth as a character and in popularity is a testament to tsun to dere = miracle dere.

It's the truth. It's not like you can prove me wrong, anyways. THK is ITT and you may or may not be him trying to defend yourself, but either way, THK's taste is in particular obvious. It's not hard to match his taste with Cat, much like his taste in Futaba.

>faggots calling kuudere emotionless
They are emotionally stunted but not incapable of showing emotion.

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>it's that Utahafag
Still seething.

Except she just turned into Marika 2.0 but 10x more pathetic
The hate never went away

>implying I'm a Utahafag
She betrays the MC too.

Let’s be real. Girls are unpleasant enough.

And a tsundere’s alleged selling point is being unpleasant.

Why are you triggered and in whiteknight mode if you weren't THK? Mighty suspicious.

2D moe girls != 3D girls. Go back.

These are some ACK tier delusions.

Explain what you get out of an annoying insecure loudmouth

No. Their selling point lies between being cold/standoffish/disgusted/feisty/combative and cute/sweet/kind/endearing/weak/vulnerable. Literally the gap and oscillating effect.

Your mom.

Not an argument

You do realize you've been talking to multiple people right? Accusing everyone being the same person is mentally ill behavior, like that one crazy Asukafag in NGE threads.

That’s called borderline personality disorder

A girl with personality and attitude, the desire to tame and have her succumb to me who becomes special to her.

the balance of writing a good tsundere is hard, thus most actually ruin the trope and irritate viewers with the excessive domestic abuse .

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>Trust me bro, I wouldn't lie on an anonymous board

People like it because it's the catalyst writers use to create characters for slow burn romance.

Watch more anime and read more manga. You'll understand it one day, newfriend.

>trust me bro, I'm not mentally ill

This.

You do realize multiple people call THK out, right?

Those voices in your head aren't multiple people, user

I loved them so much
I loved the ending so much
Fuck we need more anime like darling in the franxx, I'm tired of being bored

So you expect people to believe it's not samefag for you, but don't when it's the reverse? Interesting.

Teasing Noire about having no friends!

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listen, faggot, the appeal of a tsundere is getting past their tough exterior and experiencing their affectionate interior.

most girls openly show their affections to anyone and everyone, which makes it worthless. but with a tsundere you have to work for it. she doesn't show her sincere side to anyone but YOU. it's a special side of her that she reserves solely for you.

And now you're just one buzzword short of a bingo. Seriously suspicious.

that's not a tsundere, that's a nihilist narcissit psycho

That’s called cluster B personality

And you sound like battered housewives

>H-He’s really sweet sometimes when you get to know him!

He probably is that same Asukafag, the dude is a lunatic.

Asuka is the most popular Eva girl on Yea Forums. I, like most, have her as favorite. But as for your boogeyman, nope.

Oh look, he's in this thread too.

Only plebs like Rei. moot was right.

Are you illiterate? You must be.

>THK upvotes himself
Cringe.

Why do Asukafags always think everyone against them is the same person?

>more 3Dshit concepts that isn't comparable
This is why people will never take you seriously.

All I get from this thread is that people who like tsunderes are mentally ill and fucked up
Really makes you think

You, your dick, and the voices in your head isn't everyone.

>people who hate tusndere are normalfags
Old news.

>tsunderetard accepts his mental illness and is proud of it

You are here at Yea Forums where everybody is fucked up and NOT socially well-adjusted nor happy with reality. The fact you consider yourself an outlier means you are a cross-boarderd, or unwanted cancer from FB, reddit, or some other faggot place.

Reddit is that way

t. severe mental illness speaks

>proud normalfag
Disgusting.

>come in this thread and they are accusing someone of being the same asukafag they are accusing me of being in a different thread

You fucking people are the only ones who are paranoid

There is plenty of female heroines that have exhibited those traits.

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>Yea Forums is a hivemind
Fuck off

Go back to fucking real girls, alpha dude.

Normalfags will never be accepted here, only tolerated as long as they are well-behaved.

Kazusa a best
Setsuna a shit

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Tsunderes are for losers who need to rationalize everything that doesn't go their way to protect their weak egos. She's j-just pretending to be cold! Those looks of disgust are because she cares!

>all those shounen threads, unironic "have sex" posts and twitter caps infesting Yea Forums
This place has been run by normalfags for quite some time now

I don't what it is but cool beauties like Kazusa and Yukino really do it for me. The delicate flower covered under the snow is such a beautiful metaphor.

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I like the dynamic in Kaguya-sama: Love is War where both romantic mains are tsunderes to each other.

Infesting Yea Forums != run by. They have always been a problem and constant influx, increasing as Yea Forums becomes more popular over the long years ever since it became the hub central for memes.

Careful, Kaguya aka best girl, triggers you-know-who too.

And still Chika stole the show

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Spoken like a true normalfag.

That's really all it takes to get me invested in a relationship huh?

Saber is more popular than Asuka, whether on Yea Forums or otherwise else where.

>seasonal meme nobody cares about outside of meme that lost its hype shortly after the show ended
>hardly relevant in manga threads
Delusional.

Imagine believing that.

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Chika is what get your attention at the beginning when the characters themselves are what catch the eye of the reader the most.
But then the dynamics and the relationships come into play, and become blatant that the series is tailored for Kaguya. It simply cannot work without her, her quirks, and her relationship with the guy.
Chika win in charisma points but is Kaguya that give appeal to the manga/anime as a whole.

Did Kuroyukihime start the current main heroine trend?

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Chiyu was superior

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Then stop acting like a lunatic.

Not vastly, Hanekawa gets much more discussion since she is shown to be apart of the overall plot of the world of Monogatari. Gahara stays firmly "girl who is Araragi's girlfriend" and has a date every few books to remind the audience of that. While Hanekawa is very much a part of the world of oddities. Odd Nisio made Snake an exorcist instead of Cat, when he made her do so much hero exorcist like stuff.

False

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You are the one accusing everyone of being your boogeyman

Who was going around accusing several people being THK? Remind me.

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Fuck no.

>THK is a real autist and shitposter with plenty of clockwork evidence in this thread already
>His Asuka boogeyman is randum and poorly supported
I wonder. Not that guy, btw.

Because societal changes in the men of Japan sees an increase in popularity of female characters being the ones to take the initiative in starting relationships and that kinda conflicts with tsundere archetypes

>he has been using this pic and saying that for 5 years straight
It's just like what you do with Yoshida. Never change.

>anyone that sees tsundere as a boring archetype is one guy
>totally not random
Hello self awareness, where art thou?

Not enough

Tsunderes CAN be good.
Tsunderes WERE good.
But they need to be de-flanderized. Modern tsunderes are just pure cancer. We need to go back at the pre-evangelion era. Before Asuka ruined everything. When their tsun was the consequence of their situation or the quirks of their male counterparts, and not a matter of mental retardation.

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Not me and you or your other brain dead faggot still called me the asukafag in the other thread

Aqua???

Why are tsunderefags so thin-skinned?

because their favorite character archetype is dying in favor of superior archetypes. Please understand.

Asukafags especially get really mad when you say anything negative about their bipolar bitch of a waifu

Kinda obvious. Who else can relate or empathize these annoying yapping bitches aside oversensitive and overreacting pussies.

Cat is involved with oddities more than Hitagi from a chronological release (not timeline) order, but I doubt she became more popular because of it. Several other girls are more involved too that are still less popular than Crab. And in Japan, there's no doubt Crab is more popular than Cat.

>touched a nerve
>calls him thin-skinned
Really makes you think.

what does thk even stand for?

As far as I'm concerned all Asukafags are mentally ill, even her seiyuu had to move from Japan for that reason.

Completely and utterly ironic. Anti-tsunfags walk around with thin skin, to the point a tsundere yelling at a MC is enough to treat said tsundere like a irredeemable and unlikable cunt. But I guess that's how it is for doormatfags.

They're so insane they scared all the other characterfags out of Eva threads.

>Reifags are trying
That's cute, but futile.

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>complains about mentally ill when Neon Genesis Evangelion is concerned
>rationalizes Reifags' weaken presence
Now this is a new form of coping

Speak English, no one can understand you

Hey now, you still get tsuns who are actual characters and not a checked box.

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Happy its keeping you out you pussy

There is nothing incoherent, but nice try.

Hah, got em'

she's for (me)

>Reifags stay out of Eva threads because they are scared of big bad meanie Asukafags
>they resort to holing up in threads this to take shots at Asuka

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>worst girl has the worst fanbase
Pottery

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Nobody wants to catch their illness. Understandable.

What a bunch of babies. Back in my day, Reifags had more fight in them.

Nigga they just don't want to engage in your daily autism

>moot is pro-Asuka
>Anno is pro-Asuka
>most of Yea Forums is pro-Asuka
How can Reifags compete?

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And yet here you are

People are tired of discussing the series after 20 something years, wow who would've thought! What an amazing development!

This.
Apparently Asukafags have dementia and enjoy discussing the same thing over and over every day.

Uselessdere

Cope. Seething. Excuses newfags would make.

Their NGE/Asuka thread earlier was probably the most autistic thread they've had in a while, linking to fucking tumblr and blogposting. What a sad bunch that can't fucking move on and watch something else, then they have the nerve make this thread and ask why nobody likes their shitty archetype.

>cope
>seethe
>having the nerve to call anyone else newfags using crossboarder jargon
hello Yea Forums

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I don't even have to make an argument for why they're cancerous, they prove it themselves in every thread they step foot in.

Nigga, they are part of it. You sound like such a pussy that you can't deal with people liking a character

Nice fuck up and delete, Reifag.
>baaaww people weren't talking about Rei, so I tried to dump but they wouldn't pay attention to me and kept at interesting discussions and canon couple pairing
Typical.

It was about a pro asuka and pro Misato tumblr whale and her followers shitting on shinji. It claim it was because of Asukafags in general shows me how low your IQ really is

I dont get the hate for cat. I guess its just contrarian.
I do however get the love for crab. Shes superbly well written as both tsundere archetype and love interest.

Like you calling multiple people "that asuka poster"? You are delusional and a clown. Be prepared because those threads with get a whole lot better now

The entire thread was Asukafags. They do it every thread. You never see Reifags act like this.

I'm happy that Asukafags don't like LN and VN series that I enjoy. I just filter their threads on the catalog.

>admitting that Asukafags are tumblr whales
Holy kek

Sounds familiar to another shitty tsundere character

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A dude was suicidal for Rei and it was posted earlier. By your logic all Reifags are suicidal creeps who are one waifu away from death. If you dont like the thread then be a bit smarter and dont click on the thread. Specially when they are often times called "Asuka"

From what I've seen they're mostly in Fate and SnK threads outside of Eva. You're fine.

Reifags are on Tumblr too. I dont even like Sakura. You are a retard

The mad and sad one is clearly you. To begin with, this thread was started by a tsunhater (probably you) to insinuate they are dead and make false claims. The fact this "revenge" thread for Reifags to gather popped up after the Eva/Asuka thread finished isn't a coincidence.

We are everywhere user. Look under the bed at night for the scary boogeyman posting about best girl

>only reifags hate tsunderes
Bruh.

>pretending his Reifags don't have their share of tumblr whales
Nice dodge with Misatofags and tumblr there too.

Reifags are noctorious pussies

>being coy and missing the point
Tsk tsk.

Nah, tumblr is Asukafag territory. Same with Sakurafags, they're pretty much the same character after all.

No Rei is a shitty character as well.
The no personality empty vessel. The only thing that make her better than a tsundere is the fact that she shut the fuck up, and at least you can forget she exist.

How would you know what characters are popular on Tumblr? You sound like you spend a bunch of time there. Probably a whale too

Is that why your threads only get 20 IPs? Even then it's always the same 5 people talking with each other.

It's funny how you went form accusing everyone to being THK to being Reifags.

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Because you Asukafags constantly post your tumblrshit in Eva threads.
He's desperate for a scapegoat.

That's completely made up and delusional. Asukafags are everywhere user.

Crossboard memes happen and eventually are integrated all the time, newfag. Like holy shit, greentexting used to be associated as Yea Forums meme years ago and it was met with typical resistance for a while until Yea Forums got used to it. Way to shoot yourself in the foot due to ignorance.
>he lurks at Yea Forums
Go back.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb3oNyxrcWo

So because one person posted tumblr shit it means that's all that's in tumblr? I am amazed and disgusted by your lack of intelligence

>entire thread was Asukfags and just 2-3 Reifags who were mostly ignored
Fixed for accuracy. Don't be mad now because most people don't like Rei as much as they like Asuka.

>Source: my asshole
>google tumblr, evangelion, rei
>1,650,000 results
tumblr, evangelion, asuka
>About 1,430,000 results

What the fuck are you talking about?

>integrated
Yep, we totally have pepe and wojaks allowed on Yea Forums. Uh huh.
>go back
That was posted during the kyoani thread when crossboarders were edgeposting, retard.

THK BTFO

How is googling tumblr supposed to prove anything

You cannot make up how dumb you are

This. 2d girls are perfect and wonderful so they need the balance of being bitchy at first, it drives home the perfection. It just works for 2d and more or less 2d only

>slippery slope fallacy
Herp derp.
>That
It's you who clearly lurks there to know that kind of details, not the webm, retard.

>provided facts tumblr is more Reifag territory
>n-no u
Eat your own words.

Who would have though simple posts like "Asuka is a cute" would traumatize this Reifag this much. Asuka really hits hard

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It's like you don't even realize you're proving that user's point

Prove it. If what you say is true that should be easy for you to cough up links since it should be everywhere and in every thread. Unless you know what you're saying is bullshit and you are just generalizing on occasions where one fag drop it.

Are you serious?

Yes, my post most have been traumatizing for you too. I should have given a trigger warning

Reminder.

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TRIGGER WARNING

I will post asuka in 3 minutes. Anyone with a weak heart or with a history of being a huge pussy, please prepare yourself.

>actual cuck likes asuka
why am I not surprised

Is everyone okay?

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Hiro pls.

Yes. Moar.

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Based.

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Looks like Reifag ran away scared again. Good job.

i love asuka

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Too bad her mother doesn't.

i'll give her enough love to compensate

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Why are they look literally the same?

You will never compare to a mother's love

Who cares? Just celebrate that they are not stinking up the medium anymore.

It's been over 20 years

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because you are blind and can't tell characters apart. That image is a perfect pleb filter.

>hating kuuderes
What's wrong with you?

It was an archetype that got really overdone in the late 90's to 2010's.

Rio was best girl anyways.

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>There is a huge difference between a Lum shocking Ataru that have looney toones immortality, and without her treatement he would become a serial rapist
Lum was when Rumiko's tsundere stuff was tolerable. Her and Ataru had a fun gimmick, and she only really reacted to him being a prick.

Where it started to go wrong was Akane and Kagome.

Imagine not wanting an overly emotional twat that cries about not getting enough attention and still beats on you when you give her attention.

That is a great thing to celebrate.
I have noticed that bitchy women really like tsunderes.

>Hitagi is vastly more popular than Hanekawa for a good reason
Eh, depends on if japan having shit taste is a good reason.

>Yea Forums hates Cat
When did you all become total fags?

>that cries about not getting enough attention and still beats on you when you give her attention.
god i wish that were me

Too many writers trying and failing to do them right spoiled the market.
Pity. There's a lot of bad tsunderes, but the good ones are really, really good.

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>I don't what it is but cool beauties like Kazusa and Yukino really do it for me
It's like having the warmest, sweetest cup of hot chocolate after digging through a snow drift.

Now recommend me a series where the kuudere beauty is the main girl.

>this thread

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okay Yea Forums but get this

tsundere tomboys

what do you think?

Sounds like Peppermint Patty.

Nah, see.

kuudere tomboys

Legit never seen one before.

best peanuts girl

What does it mean user?

God she's so fucking cute I can't stand it.

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>JUST FUCK ALREADY epilogue
based Mato

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>implying stella is a good tsundere
When she's a poorly writtrn character, who's only memorable for pure waifubait. People only like her because she gushes over the self insert and wants to fuck him after episode 1.
>implying rin is a "fake" tsundere
When she's one of the most well written and complex characters tsunderes

I don't get it, weren't you people constantly pissed off about the BAKA ECCHI HENTAI violent tsunderes? I was seeing complaints about it for literally over a decade.

Those are still shit, but good tsuns were always beloved.

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Classic tsundere are the best. They're kind of still around
Modern violent tsundere are dead in a ditch, at the very least they haven't been the standard main heroine for a while
Neo-tsundere is a meme

>Yamato Nadeshiko

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Nino is the kind of tsundere people like

Anybody who thinks Yea Forums always loved modern tsunderes clearly wasn't here for Mashiro-iro Symphony when the violent tsundere in that got completely BTFO'ed and people were shocked/happy about it

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i feel like dismissing asuka as a simple tsundere is a disservice to her character

It's always a healthy amount of Asukafags and one Reifag + one femcel that ruin the threads, although they may be the same person for all it matters. Sad!

REDpilled beyond belief

It is. She shares some of the traits but she acts like a realistic believable version of a tsundere. The traits she exemplifies of a tsundere are all explained by her past.

But yeah watering her down to a simple one note tsundere archetype is dishonest.

Where my 2.5x BW squat Asukafags at?

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Perfect

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Sakura isn't even tsundere,she never liked Naruto.