how do we improve mahou shoujo?
Mahou Shoujo genre
Make main characters brocon loli imoutos, make them use magic to seduce onii-chan
more JC navel
less annoying mascots
I don't like the obligatory villain fights in every episode, there should be more episodes devoted to cute girls doing magical things
Would be a good start if more of them had an actual plot and took more risks in the visual department. Precure plays it too safe on virtually all fronts, and Madoka was rushed teenage bait that never got the necessary time to develop organically. The genre's shows either overdo it and are paaded out of the ass (50+ eps) or they are retarded rushed (Memeko, Flip Flappers, YuYuYu season 2).
You can't. It peaked with Madoka and won't getting better anytime soon.
Unironically futanari.
wut? Unless you're an animator or writer for those shows then you have no say in it.
Kill Precure.
Kill everything except Precure.
You must love Doremi
This. A non-episodic series that's, say, two cour or so, with careful development and a conclusive ending. Also something that fits between child-intended and the edgefests of Madoka and its latterday clones, there's a soud middle-ground in there somewhere.
Basically something in the vein of Mai Otome but an actual magical girl show.
according to the law, this isn't an offense
>mahou shoujo thread
>filled with newfags who only know about Precure and Madoka
Every time.
easy, more yui
In the west, CCS is better known then Precure
Needs futa and yuri. Give them actual romantic relationships that develop over time and a plotline that moves forward at a steady pace instead of monster of the week shit.
I read Full Moon o Sagashite a long time ago and it was good, is the anime better or worse?
Modern shows are what's getting made. You want stuff like Rayearth, CCS, SM or Sally the sodding Witch, you're not going to have much luck.
Something like Fun Fun Pharmacy would be great.
this
However, CCS can't arouse Westerners' desire to buy, so CCS's global sales are less than 10% of Precure, which only relies on Asian markets.
Like LOL's popular game, the star guardian was created by paying homage to Precure. I have never seen a game or animation paying tribute to CCS, whether it is Asian or Western.
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>attaches picture of the most entry level MS after Sailormoon to his post
My understanding of Mahou Shoujo is just:
Little girls.
Cute mascot sidekick.
Magic.
That's pretty vague so there's all kinds of ways to improve it although I often see attempts to make it go down the gore path like Spec-ops Asuka.
more romantic male interests
wow you work fast
now what
>so CCS's global sales are less than 10% of Precure,
To be fair, CCS only ran roughly a tenth of the time Precure has.
Stop watching toy commercials for little girls
The appeal of Asuka isn't the gore but the pseudo-realistic implementation of magic and magical girls.
Mahou Shoujo needs an endgame outside of death.
The magical powers just never develop into something interesting beyond the fighting.
Wow dude, you're so smart. Cuckcaptor Sakura, a show with less than a hundred episodes, sold less than a franchise that been airing an episode weekly for the past 10+ years.
In fact, CCS has experienced a decline in sales since 2001. In 2000, the market size of CCS was able to enter the top 50. After 2001, the top 80 franchises in the market size list could not see CCS.
CCS can't continue to grow and develop like PRECURE, otherwise it can't explain that NHK TV station with CCS copyright does not pay much attention to CCS.
None of this changes that CCS is more entrylevel than Precure. Comparing the franchises' revenue potential is retarded. CCS is hardlocked to a single protagonist and her comedy relief sidekicks. Precure throws something new into the mix almost every year. It can appeal to a greater group of people beacuse some protagonists are unbearable (looking at you, Hana) while others appeal to a broader audience.
by making the girl on the left my gf
Killing every character
In the history of Mahou Shoujo, precure is a miracle that cannot be copied.
No Mahou Shoujo animation can last for more than five years, and there is no decline in popularity. Only precure is an exception, and popularity has remained at its peak.
Have them fight in space, riding on top of mecha into battle. Add papa bear/little girl dynamics between the mecha (or its pilot) and the magical girl. Oh and use realistic physics where it's convenient for drama. Running out of mana in a vacuum sucks.
If Precure ended it wouldn't be surprising to see it happen soon after. There's just been no point in competing with it.
What even is its competition? Aikatsu?
That, the Pretty series and soon MewkelDreamy. It seems unlikely that anybody would try to make a mahou shoujo to compete with it. Unless Precure had a massive drop in popularity for whatever reason.
More Princess Tutu
Precure has no competitors, Precure completely monopolizes the little girl's toy market
As for Aikatsu, Aikatsu’s competitor is PriPara.
Aikatsu and PriPara's main source of income are games. Precure's main source of income is toys. Aikatsu does not pose a threat to Precure. It can even be said that Precure and Aikatsu are both BANDAI's daughters.
On the contrary, the playback time of CCS's new animation has changed to the children's program time in the morning. It has already formed a competitive relationship with Precure, but in the competition of the little girl's toy market, CCS is not the opponent of Precure at all.
Stop reaching , precure doesn't count the same way as the others since it's like jojo.
Each season has a new group except 2 of them which has sequels so it's easy to just jump into the franchise without watching from the beginning.
>(looking at you, Hana)
Fuck off.
I figured they were interested in the target demographic more than anything else. There is some overlap with other series in the physical toy market but it's fairly negligible. I don't know much about it but MewkelDreamy probably will focus on toys as well.
In Nanoha the TSAB runs on magitech. It's just not the focus.
Mai Otome had politics shaped around the fact that a nation's strategic assets are girl fighters.
YuYuYu involves some government support at least.
If you want 60 chapters and counting of magical girl worldbuilding read the madoka fanfic to the stars.
Also, classical magical girl shows aren't all that much about fighting in the first place. Take Ojamajo Doremi for example.
So strictly speaking, there is no competition between Precure and CCS. Although NHK changed the TV broadcast time of CCS and tried to attract more children's audience, it obviously failed. CCS did not successfully enter the children's market.
more delicious eye brows like that
Simple, just return to the main storyline of Nanoha and stop fucking around with spin offs. Mahou shoujo is saved
Like what? A Force adaption (80% rewritten)?
But the main canon is pretty messy too unless you want to ignore everything after A's.
>unironic Nanohafaggotry
Put that shit six feet under, where you found it.
Stop making "deconstructions"
Nanoha is one of the best modern mahou shoujo around, I'm sorry that you have shit taste
shut mamika, you're dead.
>i don't know a shit about the genre
more edge
By putting it into a post-apocalyptic setting.
I want stuff like Sally.
More like unless you're a producer or a toy company shareholder.
Hey, I have this in my backlog.
Is it good?
why haven't someone subbed minky momo yet
i want to watch it
Some group started subbing it but they're slow as fuck.
Only on episode 3
It's rather unique, considering its creator and history of production. The premise is certainly interesting, the setting and background artwork are fantastic, the animation is mostly good but feels a bit dated, the direction is honestly weird.
It also only aired 6 out of 15 episodes over the past two years, so it's only now getting into the meat of the story, but I'm excited to see the rest, episode 7 airs this saturday. Hope Murakami can finish it within my lifespan.
It's unfinished that's what
It's fun and there are a lot of nice tummies.
yeahhhh
I honestly don't have much faith in it at this rate
Better than expected. The animation (and loliservice) is a highlight.
I still don't understand why my screenshots turned out like this.
Princess Tutu is perfect as it is. A sequel could potentially ruin everything. Also the new fanbase would be cancer.
Haruka faces in episode 1 were just brilliant.
Honestly they don't keep _that_ level of animation for the next episodes, but it's still quite okay.
The show airs on Tokyo MX, that channel airs in anamorphic 1440x1080 that gets stretched to 1920x1080 on your TV. KPMP's encode leaves it at that (the actual video stream data is still 1440x1080) - and not all software works correctly with such videos. MPV saves screenshots just fine though, but e.g. Aegisub doesn't, perhaps older players don't either.
Thank you for taking your time to explain it to me. I know very little about such things.
It's a shame the source is a bit shit. The CG on the weird monster girl thing in the prologue is damn good too, almost indistinguishable from the 2D. I suspect it's a mix of both though, the hair certainly looks drawn and it's obviously 2D in closeups.
Because that's hybrid 2D/3D animation, they had a hell of a lot of trouble making that work, as they then tell in the interview segment. Those are pretty interesting in their own right.
The source is very shit, which is why I was hoping there'd be someone proficient in encoding who could help, but for now I just run the standard package of filters for unfucking bad TV and hope it turns out watchable. The original resolution of the animation is also pretty low, with scripts showing me 675p, 720p and 810p values, different aspects might've been mastered at different resolutions - and to be honest visually it does not look 810p at all.
Magical villainess MC.
Something like MachiMahou?
Or the Homu?
Seriously though. I'd like to see a Yagami Light equivalent of a magical girl
I am not sure. There are many ways to approach and play it. It's just something that hasn't been done much.
Perhaps a magical girl who grew up (age-down transform always is an option). As innocence fades and life makes you jaded and cynical her ways changed. She might still be driven by a "good" underlying goal but changed her methods to walk over heaps of dead bodies to achieve it.
It could be thee necessary change (portrayed as evil) vs. comforting statism (good).
The antagonists could be genuine, innocent magical girls. Or just the world at large since she has already achieved power and now tries to take over (Lelouch style)
Or she could have her life fucked over by questionable mascots (think Koemushi or QB) and not taken it as stoically as homu did.
>MachiMahou
I have only read a few chapters, but the characters don't seem very morally aligned. They seem to be more chaotic than good/evil.
I guess MS Ikusei Keikaku is a decent match (LN series). Also MS ni Akogarete (manga).
I think there's still a lot to be done with the dark/ mature/ seinen MS genre.
>MS Ikusei Keikaku
The anime was kind of uninteresting. mostly deathmatch, too little plot to get interested in the characters. was that just the prelude to the LN story?
>MS ni Akogarete
fetish comedy. I can get behind it, but not really what I had in mind.
The LN series for Ikusei Keikaku runs in cycles. As in every one or two volumes a new arc starts with mostly new characters. It also fleshes out the motivations and characters more.
I can't think of any real villainess MS unless you can count some Symphogears in certain seasons, which is why there's so much potential to make some decent stories.
Also just want to put this one in before I go to bed. While not a MS Kumo-chan in Kumo desu ga nani ka practically becomes the mastermind villain very late on in the WN. Not sure if the LN will follow the same route
Is Mai Otome a magical girl?
kind of, kind of not. magical warrior girl is basically a spinoff genre from magical girls. both symphogear and mai otome uses quasi-magical technology to make powersuits that take on a similar role to magical girl costumes. but they are heavily militarized and deviate from the vanilla magical girl genre in many ways. nanoha sits far closer to the magical girl realm.
I think it would benefit if there was crossover game, kinda like Super Robot Wars.
More mahou shoujo for little girls and less edgy shit.
less super edgy moe (shoujo site), realistic moe 'what if it was real but the demons went to the super market xd' (machikado) and boring moe (precure)
That would open more theological questions.
there's a middle ground. serious plot without being edgy.
It's one of the genres that hasn't gone to shit over the years. Overall, mahou shoujo is decent right now. There are certain series that could use improvement but overall it's decent.
The fantasy/adventure genre is what really needs help right now.
we're still getting decent fantasy. consider sukasuka for example. you're just being distracted by the isekai trees in the fantasy forest
>おしまい
This was kinda cute, thanks for the dump, user.
Symphogear has improved the genre to the great height.
Symphogear is shit.
is this mahou shoujo
it's a genre mixture of mecha, magical girl and battle royal.
We need more JS fighting tentacle monsters.
More mahou shoujo like Akazukin Chacha.
I love Symphogear but even though it's technically a mahou shoujo it's written like an 80s and 90s action shounen. It's practically just Saint Seiya with a female cast.
>Or the Homu?
Having given that part some thought, yes, I guess she could qualify.
But then all of madoka and rebellion would constitute only the origin story of the villain, not the adventures of the fully formed villain, since rebellion ends with her ascension from dark magical girl (which is more ambivalent type of character) to self-styled demon and leaves us there.
>It's practically just Saint Seiya with a female cast.
King Records wants me to remind you that the singing is an important part of the show. Tsubasa ᵃⁿᵈ ᵐᵃʳᶦᵃ are idols too!
I still remember the 3DCG trailer. Fucking wew. I never knew this actually came out, though.
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Because you don't actually know shit about magical girls.
The first episode just got subs the other day.
It's going to return one day. The creators just mentioned it recently, so they definitely haven't forgotten about it.
Past-expiration date mahou shoujo is a miracle of life.
Needs be abased commie remover!
Literally who
A fantasy manga written by the same person who wrote Kagerou Daze. Illustrated by somebody who isn't that important. The MC can transform into Hindu god magical girls.
>by the same person who wrote Kagerou Daze
is that supposed to be a good thing?
Dragonball with little girls.
Writing has no effect on anime production values.
Aw, now I miss duck.
I don't know about the ln and I didn't know there was an anime but the manga was trash.
It wasn't exactly designed for the manga medium.
its been perfected
Makes me sad that this is true, we would need something that goes in a different direction, maybe like a bunch of short arcs with different MS and differing degrees of drama/action/comf that all connect to an overarching story which doesn't take itself too serious.
Monster of the week worked for Evangelion. It can work for a good enough magical girl show as well, assuming the characters have enough depth.
>non-h magical futanari
aside of not magical not gay babies, how will be any different?
>None of this changes that CCS is more entrylevel than Precure. Comparing the franchises' revenue potential is retarded. CCS is hardlocked to a single protagonist and her comedy relief sidekicks. Precure throws something new into the mix almost every year. It can appeal to a greater group of people...
I have to agree with that assesm....>beacuse some protagonists are unbearable (looking at you, Hana)
Fuck your weasel words
>Precure has no competitors, Precure completely monopolizes the little girl's toy market
What about that live-action magical girl TV show Takashi Miike directed?
>how do we improve mahou shoujo?
Revitalize Corrector Yui and be about magical girls taking on the internet trolls
monster of the week would works only for the recon units
I felt that they lack about reality impact in a bigger scale
Take a page from Madoka in the right way, as in elements of tight plotting, character introspection, and a hope-based theme with actual nuance that isn't solely based around beating up bad guys. We don't need every series to have all those but we need more of them badly, because apparently nobody understands Madoka's real narrative strengths or what the point of the story was.
a full fledged wizard
>Take a page from Madoka
>solely based around beating up bad guys
lol no
Since the birth of Precure, the market has remained at the top seven. At the highest, even entering the fifth place, Precure's share of the little girl's toy market may reach more than 90%. Other franchises for the little girl market are all Adding is not comparable to Precure
Whatever show you are thinking about right now, I guarantee you nobody is trying to copy it, if they ever did in the first place.
Why do you need futanari?
The magical girls could just adopt a child like Nanoha and Fate.
The generic magical girl format has been copied for years. Madoka simply coppied a drama series and tossed in magical girls as a gimmick. If you want more drama, you shouldn't be expecting it in magical girl shows.
週刊ダイヤモンド2000年9月9日号p.40から、改めて1999年4月~2000年3月のキャラクター商品販売額シェア・ベスト50を掲載する
25位 おジャ魔女どれみ / Ojamajo Doremi 0.63% (10.5 billion yen)
33位 カードキャプターさくら / Cardcaptor Sakura 0.43% (7.2 billion yen)
2001年 市場規模 1兆6300億円
12位 おジャ魔女どれみシリーズ / Ojamajo Doremi 1.83% (29.8 billion yen)
In 2001, the top 50 in the market size list did not see CCS.
2004年 市場規模 1兆6300億円
12位 ふたりはプリキュア / Precure 1.63% (26.6 billion yen)
2005年 市場規模 1兆6100億円
06位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ / Precure 3.52% (56.7 billion yen)
2006年 市場規模 1兆6018億円
11位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ / Precure 2.15% (34.4 billion yen)
2007年の小売市場規模は1兆5936億円
9位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ / Precure
2.78% (44.3 billion yen)
2008年の小売市場規模は1兆5400億円
7位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ / Precure
3.24% (49.8 billion yen)
2010年度のキャラクター商品の小売市場規模は1億6170億円
5位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ / Precure
4.74% (76.6 billion yen)
2012年 キャラクターランキングベスト100(p38) 計1兆6060億円
6位 プリキュアシリーズ / Precure 3.93% (63.1 billion yen)
59位 魔法少女まどかマギカ / Puella Magi Madoka Magica 0.25% (4 billion yen)
The market size includes sales of all commodities, and Precure has always occupied 3% to 4% of the total industry revenue.
More onii-chans
The generic MG format is just that, generic. I don't mind yearly seasons of Precure but the genre ought to have more. And even then, it does have more, but not of the right kind of substance.
Madoka itself isn't a "copied drama series" but it takes inspiration from outside the genre and was successful for doing so. I say specifically that it isn't just copied because the core ideas of the story are exemplified by Madoka being specifically a magical girl show. That's what I'd like more of if given the chance, meaningful storylines that are re-imagined within the context of the mahou shoujo genre.
>Aikatsu's compettitor is Pripara.
That's *Prichan, dipshit, or rather Pretty Rhythm as a whole. Lala has been dead for a while now.
I wouldn't mind but
>ballbusting tier chapter
>on the internet trolls
only pray that this will never be "translated" if someting like this airs nowadays
It's impossible to improve on since it's already peaked
Mahou Shoujo for little girls and Mahou Shoujo for otaku are two entirely different topics that shouldn't be mixed.
I enjoy Precure and Madoka (among others), but people trying to pretend they're players on the same field just don't know what they're talking about.
>mahou shoujo fags complaining
At least you have an audience that's not just children.
stop deleting anime threads
Isn't this point of Jibril?
Make the MCs all christmas cakes that transform into lolis.
But age-regressed cakes wouldn't be able to think about doing anything except impaling themselves on cocks.
Mods deleted the last Precure Thread because of the OP, I hate having to pretend that a general isn't a general just because the OP has more letters.
Magical girl shows already have a well done format that has been perfected through the years. People just take this stuff for granted.
>generally a step up from slice of life
>minor story plot contained in each episode
>minor character development arc contained in each episode
>has to be semi relateable in some manner
>can tackle larger issues
>cast has different personalities to tackle a wider range of issues
>major storyline not as relevant so things stay comfy weekly, yet still progresses
>cute costumes, cute transformation scenes that stay comfy to watch after being repeated like 20 times
>antagonists act as comic relief
>monsters act more as mechanism for character development
>fightin and action every episode
Not if they're lesbians.
Now that I think about it, I'm really surprised there aren't a lot more crossover images of Lala and Kirby.
>oyo
>poyo
It's begging to happen.
>More mahou shoujo like Akazukin Chacha.
Jewelpet, Jewelpet Sunshine, Jewelpet Happiness
more punching and kicking
I do really like this but I also really like it when they're just flailing around in combat due to no actual combat experience or training. Wouldn't really expect a magical girl to suddenly know how to do a backflip even with super-heightened attributes.
Give it to film directors.
I'd prefer less punching and kicking and more creative magic spells (but not beamspam).
Singing.
Precure isn't exactly a miracle. Toei has had longer running franchises like Super Sentai and Kamen Rider. It's a fairly calculated toy commercial like those other shows are.
In fact, Precure is more profitable than Super Sentai and Kamen Rider.
2004年 市場規模 1兆6300億円
09位 特捜戦隊デカレンジャー / Super Sentai 2.18% 355億円
12位 ふたりはプリキュア / Precure 1.63% 266億円
16位 仮面ライダーシリーズ / Kamen Rider 1.00% 163億円
2005年 市場規模 1兆6100億円
06位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ / Precure 3.52% 567億円
09位 魔法戦隊マジレンジャー / Super Sentai 2.49% 401億円
23位 仮面ライダー響鬼 / Kamen Rider 0.91% 146億円
50位 仮面ライダーシリーズ 0.35%
55位 特捜戦隊デカレンジャー 0.29%
76位 仮面ライダー剣 0.16%
2006年 市場規模 1兆6018億円
11位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ 2.15%
19位 轟轟戦隊ボウケンジャー 1.59%
26位 仮面ライダーカブト 0.87%
60位 仮面ライダーシリーズ 0.26%
66位 魔法戦隊マジレンジャー 0.23%
90位 仮面ライダー響鬼 0.14%
2007年の小売市場規模は1兆5936億円
9位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ 2.78%
17位 仮面ライダー電王 1.61%
20位 獣拳戦队ゲキレンジャー 1.08%
46位 仮面ライダーシリーズ 0.40%
58位 轰轰戦队ボウケンジャー 0.29%
2008年の小売市場規模は1兆5400億円
7位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ 3.24%
9位 炎神戦隊ゴーオンジャー 2.42%
22位 仮面ライダーキバ 0.71%
25位 仮面ライダー電王 0.68%
89位 獣拳戦隊ゲキレンジャー 0.15%
2010年度のキャラクター商品の小売市場規模は1億6170億円
5位 ふたりはプリキュアシリーズ 4.74%
15位 仮面ライダーW(ダブル) 1.52%
16位 天装戦隊ゴセイジャー 1.52%
20位 仮面ライダーオーズ(OOO) 1.25%
21位 仮面ライダーシリーズ 1.22%
49位 侍戦隊シンケンジャー 0.35%
2012年 キャラクターランキングベスト100(p38) 計1兆6060億円
6位 プリキュアシリーズ 3.93%
12位 仮面ライダーオーズ 2.07%
13位 海賊戦隊ゴーカイジャー 2.07%
20位 仮面ライダーフォーゼ 1.24%
22位 仮面ライダーシリーズ 1.04%
89位 天装戦隊ゴセイジャー 0.12%
2007年の小売市場規模は1兆5936億円
62位 魔法少女リリカルなのはシリーズ / Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha 0.27% (4.3 billion yen)
More actual examples and less Madoka clones
Made the magical girl the bad guy and a normal human using a giant robot to fight them
I do find it really funny that one of the antagonists (pic related) uses a mecha to fight magical girls. It goes without saying though that the larger the enemy, the simpler it is to defeat them for magical girls.
This.
What do mahou shoujofriends think of Shamanic Princess?
Was it ahead of its time?
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Special Anti Magic Robot
Make them as cute as Vivio