What is a strong female character according to people who have an issue with female characters in anime and manga?

I know that the bechdell scale is used for 'good' female characters, but I have no idea what a 'strong' female character constitutes.

critics are of low pedigree, status, and intellect, their opinions have no value

oh yeah she was guild master for five minutes one time, I remember now

It's okay to call them Jews here, you know.

not all critics are jewish

Just found out about this scale.

According to that, anime is super feminist though.

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There are none, and there should be none. Women are weak by nature.

The critics that we are talking here about are overwhelmingly Jewish.

What kind of issues do they have?

Are you talking about the people who are upset about women existing in them at all, or are you talking about the people who get mad when a woman has armor that shows their tits?

the critics we are talking about are critics in general
they all have the same worthless input, jewish or no

What most mean by strong female character is a man with breasts

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I think he was saying this isn't ANN or similar trash, where saying 'sjw' and such is banned.

"Strong female character" can generally mean two things. One being that the character has her own goals and agency to achieve those goals, with a healthy dose of character flaws. The other is that they're just a strong, tough and smarts as the guys, maybe even more so. The second definition is only used by retards though.

It's the Bechdel Test, not a Scale. It asks whether a work features at least two women who talk to each other about something other than a man. The requirement that the two women must be named is sometimes added.

The real-life Joan of Arc.

If all female protagonists were more like pic related, the anime industry would be in a much better place.

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Strong female character done right.

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That main badger girl from Kemono Enemies was pretty strong

Based Denji

Based imouto doesn’t even speak and is still better written than most garbage female characters

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No kindness
No softness
No femininity
No supporting role
No weakness
No believable flaws
No correspondence with reality whatsoever

A power fantasy

Yeah, it's kind of amusing to notice how much anime passes the Bechdel-Wallace test with flying colours.
e.g.
>Girls' Last Tour
is the most extreme example possible:
>Two girls
>Both named, major roles
>Spend all the show talking
>Never about men

So according to feminists, reactionary men should hate this show, whereas they love it.
But of course it isn't feminist because it's actually good.

Trips talked the truth. But those legs are like 4'

fuck critics, they said Jim Carrey would never be famous, their opinions mean jack shit

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Oy vey indeed.

>who have an issue with female characters in anime and manga
people like that probably like literal shits like Gal Gadot's WW, Rey et similia

This is a very vague concept OP.
Overally a "strong" character represent someone able to achieve her goals, instead of being always carried around by the flow. Or alternatively someone that even if cannot escape the flow find a way to not drown in it.
So you can have an OP character that is actually very weak, see pic related, and sorry for going Yea Forums on this but is the best example i can make.
And an apparently helpless character that is actually very strong cause she never break no matter how much you bend her.

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"strong female character" is simply a character that happens to be female. Women tend to be written by hacks who use them as token characters.

There are all kinds of token characters and the use of them in stories is not 'bad': you have token nerds, token 'everymen' in superhero movies, token cops, firefighters, teachers, (think any other character other than the main family in classic Simpsons). In fact, in any story with decent world building most of the characters should probably be token characters that are mere shallow versions of society's or mental archetypes. You can't spend all your time fleshing out everyone. The problem is women tend to remain token characters even when they are the duotagonist that are supposed to interact believably with the protagonist. I think writers are afraid that if they flesh out the love interest then she'll be more specific and not hit a generalized attraction level for the audience. Exactly like how many men are obsessively worried that their date isn't 'pretty' enough and that other people are laughing behind their back or whatever. It's masculine insecurity: they don't want you think their main female character isn't perfect so they end up these shallow token characters with no personality, if they had a personality then it will narrow their appeal. Just like dolling up your escort for a party and telling her not to talk but stand there and look generically pretty.

Imo its like it is with most "strong" male characters. When bound to reality to some extent and realistically portrayed, then its a good character.
But there is this idea that you need to make her a Mary Sue, and when people dont like your perfect/OP character then they get all pissy.
Mulan is a perfect example, many like her because she is not portrayed as perfect, and she grows during the movie. But imagine if Mulan when she started her training just did everything perfectly and all by herself stopped the mongol horde (or whoever was fighting).
And as for OPs pic, Erza might have been the best character in FT, but that is like saying an almost solid shit is better than blood filled diarrhea.
Fucking asspulls galore, "because shes erza" "no i have no magical power left but i can still win and pull out new armor" "100 monsters off panel"
If she had any basis for being the powerhouse she was maybe one would give a fuck.

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Okay Ms. Feminist stuck in the 19th century, problem is women are just as (if not more) guilty of creating your boring ass mary sue heroines.

You both realize that critics are not a hivemind right?

I don't think I've seen an anime where the strong female character wasn't insufferable like over in the West. Our ones are annoying bitches whereas Jap ones are fun and cute. As long as there is some supernatural or sci-fi element to handwave a woman who can compete with the men I am fine with.

Incorrect. I can always predict exactly what percentage a movie i've just watched will have on rotten tomatoes to 1% of accuracy (and it has nothing to do with quality)

You do realize rotten tomatoes does not represent every single critic ever, and you are most likely ignoring any non "professional" critic whilst writing what you do.

>people who have an issue with female characters in anime and manga
I dunno.
Yea Forums love bitches. Especially strong bitches. Dragons, demons, cosmic horrors, we fap to them all.

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why is it always "strong female character"?
I've never once heard the term "strong male character"
How come with guys you can just do a solid character but with girls you need to do a solid character that is a woman?

like if you do a character that is a good computer hacker thats a guy he will just be a good computer hacker but if its a female she will be a good computer hacker and constantly go on about how shes just as good as the boys and effortlessly break in to something that a bunch of guys couldnt, probably while they stand their wide eyed staring and also shes sexually attractive
or if its a soldier she will constantly try to prove that she can run with the guys and do everything they can and run in to enemy fire to save the 1 sexist soldier who looked down on her and also shes attractive
no male characters constantly talk about their gender but it seems to be 40% of any female characters dialogue or at least the ones that were made for the sole purpose of being a female character who is also good at "X"

they all seem to have a massive chip on their shoulder

The problem feminists have with some anime and vidya characters isn't that they are not "strong" enough in-universe, it's that they exist purely for the pleasure of the male viewer. They're actual characters to be empathize with, but fantasy object to gawk at.
A dominating hot woman who bullies the MC is technically "strong" in-universe, but it's problematic if she exists only for that male viewers to self-insert themselves as the MC and derive sexual please from the fantasy.

All this is not to say you can't enjoy any of it. I watch anime and like my lolis and fanservice, despite acknowledging all that shit. You don't HAVE to be an ignoramus retard to like what you like.

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Feminists are permaseething over the fact that men are more physically capable than women. As a result "strong female characters" need to be written as unrealistically strong and without flaws. Which is fucking retarded because if you ask any sensible person what qualities a good human being has, strength isn't very high up there. It's not a big deal. But they can't deal with it

>they exist purely for the pleasure of the male viewer
What's wrong with that?
It's media targeted towards male viewers.
I don't watch female fantasy stuff and complain that its full of buff handsome dudes who treat women like royalty.

>problematic

Not as if you can't make a "strong female character" and feminist icon whilst also being your sex fantasy.

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