Just got back from seeing this in the theater. There was some stuff I liked. There was a lot I didn't like.
This review will cover a lot of plot points, so spoilers ahead.
I'll start with what I didn't like. The main villain is very clearly Donald Trump and it is just exhaustingly bad. You get a Donald Trump lookalike character with Kylo Ren levels of "I'm Evil because I like it!!!" character motivation. It's very lazy. You get your Arabic/Mexican refugee stand-ins who "just want to make great pizza!!!" (funny that). You have terrorists, and a "war on terror" thing going on, but the terrorists don't kill anybody and are supposed to be sympathetic. Missed an opportunity to have sympathetic terrorists who also aren't afraid to kill for their cause, for some actual dramatic tension. Studio Trigger tried to make it look like they weren't making a lazy, pandering, trope-ridden script, so they added a layer to the main baddie in that he's trying to save the planet from apocalypse by volcanic eruption. Predictably, this is just for show. DOMNALD GLOMPH is EVIL, and has to be depicted as such in every piece of media since 2016. In fact that's all you're allowed to think about. What a sad state for art. I watched the dubbed version, which was a mistake, it's awful, so maybe this colored my opinion, but I thought the lead, Galo, was awful. The joke is that he's an idiot, and it's just not funny. The protagonist firefighter squad is fucking useless and just there to take up screen time. I also didn't like the soundtrack. I haven't confirmed this, but it sounded like it was done by the guy who did Attack on Titan's music. It's overstated simple chord progressions that just sound exactly like the Attack on Titan music. I liked that score, but, like Hans Zimmer, all the music is starting to sound the same.
What I liked The animation was nice enough. Galo and Lio have the big gay. The entire plot was constructed around the gay CPR scene.
>The entire plot was constructed around the gay CPR scene.
Based
Thomas Lopez
>This review will cover a lot of plot points You literally just spent a paragraph whining about the fact the story vaguely reminded you of politics. False advertising
John Bell
Other stuff The opening credits have a visual theme of triangles being squashed and deformed to fit into rectangles. This visually ties in with the theme of Promare, which are spirits from another dimension, being unnaturally forced into our reality. This motif is repeated throughout the film and its ok I guess. The Promare are spirits which manifest in some humans. This has some relation to the occult concepts of kundalini, spirit posession, and so forth. It's an interesting idea that wasn't expounded upon enough. Humans who get possessed by the Promare are called "Burnish". The Promare have this motivation to ... burn things ... which is a bit too simple. They basically just disappear and fuck off back to their own dimension after being defeated by the power of love. It's such a shame. They could have been given character, and more interesting motivations, but they're basically just there to burn stuff and leave. They could have explored the tension in humans and Promare being forced to coexist. The movie should have started about halfway through with the scene where Lio attacks Promapolis (yes that's the city's name) in his fire dragon. That was clearly when the animators were having the most fun. They should have started with that and went from there, rather than waste our time with the boring and predictable first act. One of the first scenes is panning shots of Promapolis. It's a completely clean, sterile city with no people in it. This is set to J-rock. This is probably one of the weakest scenes in the movie. The animation is kind of average, the upbeat song clashes with the empty, sterile visuals ... it's strange.
I ran out of space.
Gabriel Gutierrez
fpbp
Jeremiah Parker
I also did not like how empty the city looked in the beginning. Conversely, n the scene where Kray and Galo x Lio fight, the city being empty makes sense because it's a constructed city and everyone is underground but the beginning shot was so empty. I guess to make use of 3D animation. Which reminds me, the scene where Freeze Force take down the Burnish settlement had one scene with 3D animation, when the buildings fell down, kinda took me out of the scene because it does not look that good. Otherwise the 3D mix with 2D was really cool.
Isaiah Young
I guess I'll add more the script is honestly just really bad. There's some stand out moments of nice animation, but this is a movie for people with IQs below 100. I really don't have much to say about it. It's quite predictable. It was nice to have a gay kiss scene, but they kind of cop-out of it by having Galo do the whole "no homo" routine immediately after the CPR works ... and then besides the bromantic mech scenes, there really isn't much shipping bait. Much like The Last Jedi, there's a ton of potentially interesting ideas, Earth and humanity becoming hosts for inter-dimensional spirits could have been fascinating, the Burnish could have been much more deeply explored rather than just being stand-ins for Brown/LGBTQ+ people. There's a very real threat, the Earth is going to be annihilated by the Promare through volcanos, but it's just "defeated by the power of love and friendship" ... fucking sigh.
Hunter Clark
>"no homo" routine immediately after the CPR works I was fully expecting that but he said "I can't believe you made me burn a fire when I'm a firefighter" not "I can't believe I touched my lips on your lips" Did you just zone out for that scene?
Eli Powell
Yea. I'm 50/50 on the visuals. Some stuff I quite liked. A lot looked lazy. It might have been over-stylized.
Isaiah Morgan
"but he said "I can't believe you made me burn a fire when I'm a firefighter" not "I can't believe I touched my lips on your lips"
No, I didn't zone out. I caught what he said. It's still the "no homo, bro" routine. It's nice to have a gay kiss, but they didn't really imply any deeper connection. Again, it's nice, but it's also half-hearted.
Charles Sullivan
I personally didn't see it as a no homo scene and I was ready for something like that, or a comment on how girly Lio looks. But aside from the beginning when Galo said "You're just a kid" there was nothing of the sort. I know the CPR is just fanservice but they handled it better than I thought
Thomas Cooper
Unfortunately, this is an obnoxiously political movie. It's American Leftist politics wearing an anime skinsuit. There are real political issues, real social issues, real causes that this movie almost touches on, but it doesn't commit to anything other than to say "DRUIMPF BAD" and it's exhausting. Especially as an artist ... sitting here reminiscing about better movies.
There really isn't enough going on in the movie to justify more than a paragraph about how it's annoyingly and overtly political.
Charles Young
I mean, I went to this movie for the gay, and I enjoyed the gay that was there. I thought it was tastefully done. I'm just disappointed there wasn't more of it. They could have had a romantic/magnetic attraction between Lio and Galo, it's almost there ... just not quite. I'm glad I saw what I did though.
Ethan Garcia
I think you're reading way too hard on that, bud
Hunter Flores
>calls others snowflakes >get triggered (no pun intended) by literally everything Really makes you think
Jacob Baker
There is no way a movie like that would be received this well, they tease it for the fans who run off with their own headcanons, that's how fujos operate and have always operated. It would turn away way too many people if they were explicitly gay
Justin Perry
I have an IQ over 120, so it's hard not to. Quite impossible in fact. And I am exhausted by the shitty state of media right now. Everything being made both in Hollywood and now Japan is the same fundamental "party line". The variety, artistic voice and vision, all gone ... in favor of 'correct opinions". It is so boring I could die.
Christopher Sullivan
Why did super tengen toppa Galileo have to cleanse the entire solar system at the end? I thought the lorddeus head told them that the Promare were from an alternate universe version of earth?
Elijah Taylor
>American leftist politics wearing an anime skinsuit WEW there lad, that's a hot take for what was essentially just Trigger screwing around
Parker Mitchell
Not him, but the nonstop "DRUMPF REEEEE" shit in all mass media, all the time, is beyond fucking exhausting at this point, and I didn't even fucking vote for the guy.
In what fucking world does he look like Donald Trump? You are hilarious.
Ethan Rivera
>The main villain is very clearly Donald Trump RENT FREE
Josiah Ross
This is the most stupid attempt at a review I've ever read on this website. How the fuck can you be so retarded?
Nolan White
Found the snowflake.
"There is no way a movie like that would be received this well"
Well, I'm not a fujo. I'm an advanced hyper-autistic gay mutant. I'd like some quality openly gay sci-fi. However, I know that shit probably won't be well received, so I'd honestly rather have a return to some of the quality heterosexual art of more sexist eras ... where there was some nuance and subtlety to human interaction. Art was better when it came from sexist time periods. Straight up. I'd like subtle, nuanced, well-crafted gay shit, but honestly, give me subtlety first and foremost. You're probably going to be like "wtf dude" but whatever. I'll take hetero over weak, half-hearted, sterile gay almost-romance.
It looked cool. Only reason.
The uh ... blond, heavy set Governor of Promapolis with American flag imagery and his own personal totally-not-Trump-tower didn't look like Trump to you?
Camden Lee
It's not that hard to avoid and I can guarantee Promare's villain isn't a Donald Trump rip.
Henry King
It's a mostly terrible movie. It gets what it deserves.
Jeremiah Torres
If you self describe as an autist then I'm sorry but i got no reason to even consider your opinion as valid in the first place. Go back to play with your legos, sweetie.
Samuel James
.The uh ... blond, heavy set Governor of Promapolis with American flag imagery and his own personal totally-not-Trump-tower didn't look like Trump to you? Not to mention he puts refugees in walk-in ovens. Christ it was obnoxious
Lucas Cox
>spoiler I'm not one either but it's kind of obvious it's the audience that scene was for. And I totally get what you mean by prefering het over bait.
Jose Reed
now I REALLY wanna see it. sounds based.
Samuel Ross
Hello my fellow anime conissure.
Caleb Anderson
>The uh ... blond, heavy set Governor of Promapolis with American flag imagery and his own personal totally-not-Trump-tower didn't look like Trump to you? No, he didn't, because Donald Trump doesn't have a monopoly on blond hair, and it's not like their hairstyles are remotely similar. Also Donald Trump being fat is in no way comparable to Kray being an uber muscular beefcake, but I'm sure he'd appreciate that. Sorry, but you sound off-your-rocker obsessed.
Cooper Mitchell
Introducing aliens for quite literally no fucking reason, just like Kill la Kill did, really took me out of it
Michael Cruz
It's TRIGGER xD it's normal for them to do non generic moeshit OP, you're just a pedo contarian. Lot of respect to them doing LGBT media in Japan.
Alexander Parker
>It's not that hard to avoid
You're not wrong- I simply stopped watching TV (except for like pre-2000ish Simpsons and pro wrestling), listening to radio music, and going to the movies. Not like I'm missing anything anyway. Western entertainment is a friggin' wasteland right now. Thank god for my Japanese cartoons lol.
Jonathan Mitchell
>Lot of respect to them doing LGBT media in Japan
gayyyyyyy
Cameron Cook
I'm a full on gay boy. Maybe bi idk. The fujo way of dancing around gay shit is really annoying. Evangelion is probably my favorite tasteful gay anime thing, but it's literally only one episode + the kill-your-gays trope.
Oh no, you're right. My bad. The leader of the free world with his own "America! FUCK YEA!" task force bombing poor not-muslims definitely wasn't political commentary. I'm clearly the off-my-rocker obsessed idiot here.
Colton Edwards
American pop entertainment being subpar isn't because it talks about Donald Trump, so I'm not sure why you're flustered.
Easton Lopez
You type like an autist.
Austin Cruz
I don't watch TV or movies either. I play vidya from the early 2000's. All my favorite movies are from before 2000. A lot of anime is good, but a lot of it is infested with braindead tumblrite tripe.
Donald's election hasn't been good for American entertainment either.
Ryan Flores
Yes, clearly. How the fuck do you even go outside?
Liam Fisher
"Freedom fuck yeah" government bombing other shit as a backdrop in media from other countries is not even remotely a new thing, and America has been made fun of for it for years, if you're really, really trying to insist that this is Promare's basis. It also sounds like you need to look harder for tasteful gay anime things if Evangelion is your peak example. It's 2019, dude.
Xavier Flores
Silence boomer
Jason Foster
>Donald's election hasn't been good for American entertainment either. That's true and it's true for content from both poles and from centrists too. It's certainly not uniquely an anti-Trump problem.
Nolan Williams
>Evangelion is probably my favorite tasteful gay anime thing How narrow minded.
Michael Ward
The tall, muscular "heroic" man that persecutes people with fire powers while hiding the fact that he himself is a guy with fire powers and hates the kid he saved because he reminds him of his own failure is a stand-in for Donald Trump, yes.
Michael Reyes
Go watch late night TV, pretty much any stand-up "comedy" special, or any of the various TV shows or movies stewarded by proud #resistors that draw inspiration from topics related to Trump, like that new Amazon show about magical beings in an old timey pseudo-London starring Orlando Bloom, whose marketing all loudly revolves around it being a "timely" allegory for refugees and immigrants. It's obviously not directly related to Trump, but it is certainly downstream of him and intentionally, pretentiously, obnoxiously so.
Owen Hill
I mean ... I'm gay. I watched this movie for the gay. I'm just exhausted by the unsubtle, trope ridden script, and Donald Trump commentary. It's not even Donald Trump commentary per se that bothers me, it's just that it isn't saying anything interesting. TRUMP BAD. MUH REFUGEES. If you want to have a Trump-like villain, can't you say anything deeper? Anything more truthful? It's literally just "oy vey, Trump is gonna do another holocaust"
No. I don't talk to people either.
What I'm saying is "freedom fuck yea" critique is boring and played out. Also I've seen plenty of gay anime. I like a lot of them, but none as much as Evangelion. I think it's the most tasteful with its romantic gay representation, and it's the most interesting. There's something deeply dark and spiritual in Evangelion.
>The tall, muscular "heroic" man that persecutes people with fire powers while hiding the fact that he himself is a guy with fire powers and hates the kid he saved because he reminds him of his own failure is a stand-in for Donald Trump, yes. *hates the kid he saved because "REEEEEEEEE I'M THE BAD GUY MY MOTIVATION IS AS DEEP AS FUCKING SKELETOR" Fixed that for you.
Isaiah Cooper
Did you seriously miss how he hates Galo because he reminds him of what a failure (i.e. Burnish) he is??
Julian Baker
>Go watch late night TV, I don't want to, and haven't wanted to in years, so this sounds like your problem and not mine.
>What I'm saying is "freedom fuck yea" critique is boring and played out. That's not what you're saying. You're saying that Kray, a tall and very muscular man dressed in white with blue trim, looks like Donald Trump, and also behaves like him, somehow, in being universally perceived as a hero but hiding the connection between himself and the people he's persecuting. You're saying that Kray is a straight rip of Donald Trump and that Promare is anti-Trump commentary. And all of those things you're saying are bewildering for how dumb they are.
Leo Flores
Fucking kill yourself Trump wasn't even a hot topic when this movie started production anyway
Mason Johnson
>brings up iq Okay, not sure why this didn't die right here.
Matthew Mitchell
>universally perceived as a hero To everyone except the fucking audience. You can see he's evil from the minute he's on screen. You're a fucking retard.
Nope.
"oh noes I have magick fire powers. better commit mass murder" I don't buy it. He has no reason to think of himself as a "failure" for being burnish. He's a weak villain. Piss poor writing.
People with low IQs do tend to have inferiority complexes.
Luke Barnes
>He has no reason to think of himself as a "failure" for being burnish. They're perceived as villains the moment they present themself. They're persecuted and used. Why would someone who values himself so highly want his reputation to be tarnished like that? If Galo was a witness he most likely would have killed him but the entire situation played out in his favor and he used it to get acclaim and rise to power. First the no homo scene, then the Trump comparison, and now this, it makes me think you were probably playing with your phone the entire time instead of watching the movie.
Daniel Ross
>To everyone except the fucking audience. You can see he's evil from the minute he's on screen. You're a fucking retard. Yes, he's obviously evil to the audience. But you're comparing him to Donald Trump in character. Donald Trump is polarizing. Donald Trump isn't even viewed as heroic by all of the people who do support him. Kray is, in universe, viewed as heroic by pretty much fucking everyone. Anyway I think this entire thread is being trolled by you. Or I at least want to believe that, because you're awfully confident in your posts despite them having so little cohesion.
Evan King
>hur dur IQ
Only people with inferiority complexes need a number to tell them how smart they are. The fact that you brought it up explains your trump comparisons and unbridled autism in this thread.
Robert Long
It is no homo, or do you seriously think fujobait is actual homo.
Alexander Robinson
You're starting to see the bad writing. > Why would someone who values himself so highly want his reputation to be tarnished like that? If he were written properly he'd accept the incredible powers he'd manifested and integrate them into his character. He'd become a paragon example of a popular well-liked burnish, integrated with society. It's a weak ass script and he's literally just "evil because evil".
>Kray is, in universe, viewed as heroic by pretty much fucking everyone. Except the burnish you absolute mongoloid.
I see you're letting a number, the word autism, and the word "Donald Trump" prevent you from grappling with ideas.
Hudson Ross
The context is upthread with OP saying that Galo full on no homos it instead of making some vague evasive remark. It's fujopandering but not really fujobaiting in the classical sense of playing with homoeroticism before utterly rejecting it by making the characters explicitly straight or something.
Hunter Ross
Kray could have been so much more. Imagine a villain who is as apparently wealthy and popular as Kray, a burnish, who poses as a kind of self appointed mediator between burnish and humans, but who ultimately sells them out. That's not even that complicated of a character, but it's immediately better than what we got.
Dylan Sullivan
Same thing. It''s not gay.
Asher Watson
>Except the burnish you absolute mongoloid. That's why I used the qualifier "pretty much". I had supposed what I meant would be obvious: to the general public, Kray is godlike and heroic. To the general public, Donald is polarizing and certainly never stately.
Logan Edwards
Sure but OP is still wrong about it being a no homo scene.
Dylan Thompson
What you meant WAS obvious, and incorrect.
Easton Richardson
It was a heterosexual CPR scene to save the life of a bro. That's what it was intended to look like, so the straights in the audience don't get nervous. It's pussy shit.
Brody Ross
>fire force idea stealing criminals
Alexander Watson
I get the feeling you try to cram American politics into every fucking movie you watch
Julian Rodriguez
So it was obvious to you that I meant the general populace views Kray differently from the marginalized terrorist organization? Then why did you point out the marginalized terrorist organization to me as if I had included them with the general populace?
Angel Ortiz
>"so this sounds like your problem and not mine." >entire paragraph of examples >single out a few words pertaining to one example and ignore everything else, including the main thesis >smug.exe
Why do I even bother?
Brandon Nelson
I love critique of American politics when it's done right. See Shin Godzilla or Dr. Strangelove. I love intelligent social and political commentary. Death Stranding, for example, is apparently about the internet as a near apocalyptic force for social division and isolation. That's timely and interesting. There was social and political commentary in this movie, and it sucked. Commentary isn't in everything, take Mario for example, but you're an idiot if you don't see commentary anywhere. It happens all the time.
You don't really think critically do you.
Tyler Stewart
Galo and Lio were really cute together. The lifesaving CPR kiss was cute/romantic/spiritual all in one. It's a shame they didn't go further than that, but I'm happy it exists all the same.
Aiden Ortiz
Sorry, I wasn't trying to smug.exe at you. What I meant to say, and should have conveyed better, is that I haven't had a desire to engage with any of those forms of media you cited in a long time anyway, because a lot of their problems existed well before 2016. Look, if we're talking stand-up, it as a medium is very resistant to political correctness and that remains true to this day, despite the pushback. There are slews of recent comedy specials that shit on liberals, etc. I also truly have not heard a peep about the Orlando Bloom thing you brought up, I have no idea what you're talking about, so I have to circle back to what I originally said: it's not that hard to avoid. The idea that these mediums are recently tainted doesn't hold up because they've been mediocare at best for a long time, and if you're looking for more than that from them, I don't know what to tell you. There's a lot of obnoxious anti-Trump media. There's a lot of obnoxious pro-Trump media. But popular American entertainment was obnoxious before him anyway.
Matthew Perez
If it means anything, coming from someone who at least somewhat still engages with normal american media, mostly out of social necessity, it has gotten worse since Trump. If you thought it was intolerable before Trump, it's worse now.
Matthew Gutierrez
>People with low IQs do tend to have inferiority complexes. Yes, they tend to bring up race, iq, sexual orientation or anything but any achievements relevant to the argument in question. And underachievers with high IQ tend to do that too so hey.
Leo Torres
I don't doubt it, but I'm also very aware that, again, both sides and even the centrists contribute to making it that way. Everyone has to be loud as fuck about the stance they take. That is simply the climate of today.
Dominic Cook
I watched it and didn't think Krey was a Donald Trump stand in at all, although the Burnish were definitely treated like persecuted minority due to some being terrorists. He was pretty obviously evil from the get go, but just in that "too perfect guy" kind of way. His persecution of the Burnish wasn't how he was seen in the public eye as it took seeing what happened to the Burnish for not-Kamina to realize what he was doing, he was just the governor/"inventor" of the tools they used in the general public eye.
Joshua Jenkins
Are you going to contribute to the discussion? Or continue to posture on an anonymous image board?
Mason Gonzalez
Yes
Lucas Hughes
Good job. Faggot
Easton Parker
>this is your brain on /pol/
Christian Jackson
Thank you, I take pride in my job.
Benjamin Ross
Damn what did we even do about fires before fire force created fire fighters?
Michael Young
You must have missed the part where Op gave his take on Galo, the fire department, the dub, and the big gay. Also what they’re saying is at least a little more nuanced than “it reminded me of politics”. Give em some credit.
Ian King
Bet you’d even take pride in swallowing my cum.
Levi Foster
>imagine not being /pol/ brained in 2016+3 It’s the current year sweaty
Adam Richardson
You wish sweetheart, you'd need an iq of at least 145 to make me interested in fucking your ass, forget about blowjobs.
Adrian Collins
You best be careful. My IQ is bigger than your dick AND fucked your mother
Nicholas Lopez
>Also what they’re saying is at least a little more nuanced than “it reminded me of politics”. It absolutely isn't more nuanced than that and many of the reasons it reminded him of politics are nonsensical in the first place. "Kray is blond and so is Trump, really makes you think" was one of the most mind-numbingly dumb things I've read on this board in recent memory.
I would have killed myself sometime in 2015, but I decided to go full Illuminati. Gave my soul to Lucy, and am resting in the blissful meditation of red flames.
Ayden Richardson
To be fair. There's literally no nuance at all for the interpretation of the plot.
Aiden Powell
Perfect
Ryder Thomas
It's Trigger, why were you expecting nuance? These are the same retarded motherfuckers that find a contrived way to go to space in every single show ever. The last good thing to come out of these schmucks was Panty&Stocking, and that's when they were still in fucking Gainax.
Parker Foster
>"Why do you want food on your plate? You eat that shit and you like it." Fuck off man I liked the movie but the narrative was S H I T. I don't have to except a shit plot because it trigger. They could've done way better.
Maybe if they actually decided to use the collective two braincells they have and come up with something original that's not just a rehash, a rip-off, or a spiritual successor, sure I'd believe it. But they didn't, and they don't.
You won't catch me disagreeing. Even when they make something decent * pic related* they sure as hell don't know how to write a good ending. * pic related*. They keep wanting to make Gurren Lagann again but they still somehow don't realize what made Gurren Lagann so great.