Usogui

cause honestly some of the mind games jsut fly over my head and if it wasn for the new translater putting the info dump at the end of the chapters/arc I would be confused cause its thing that every word has a meaning, it feels like the manga was written backwards theres so much backtracking

How is this compared to other gambling manga?

Peaked at the bull game.

Although I have to admit the tower game was hype as shit and had the best fights

Bull game seems to be a fan favorite, at least for the people reading the chapters scanlated currently. Probably because
>Kaji, so there is an actual risk of losing
>punishment was horrifying
>Karl being based as fuck

Usogui is never going to become popular in here sadly, but the few threads we get started around there.

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the games and whats being bet on them is pretty brilliant. I think the author could write a better deathnote or code geass, thats how much I believe.but I think I should clarify its not the games themselves that brilliant but they're played

Cant say because I never read any other manga, but I love it. The games tend to be simple but characters always find a way to fucking cheat and to overcome cheating that seems ingenious. The mind games sometimes are 4d level, at least in one of the last games.

It also has some of the best action scenes.

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(other betting manga)
Although I did watch one kakegurui episode one for the sexy blunt bangs chick.

how is it? I watched one episode and felt like it was all style and no substance

I feel like usogui surpasses gamblefish and kaiji but who knows, one has an anime the other doesn't

I found it only good for faps. The kind which doesnt have any significant male characters since we wouldnt want to waste space in someone our readers cant fap to.

An Usogui anime could never live up to the manga. It wouldn't be able to do the art justice

rarely does an anime do a manga justice and in this cgi climate Im glad.

Not only that, the manga is too long so we would never get a full adaptation with todays kind of anime. Doomed from the start sadly. Id kill for it.

That OVA was honestly a sin to God.

How the fuck does a weekly manga have art this good?

Probably the best gambling manga. The art is amazing, the characters are lovable, the fight scenes are great and the gambling is full of asspulls but the author puts a lot of work into setting them up.

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It can't be an asspull if there's setup to it

Hope we get more Gakuto.

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It's a weird gray area where the plot twists of the gambles are cleverly planned in advance but they involve absurdly rare and specific circumstances that nobody in their right mind would accept as normal or likely to happen. I humorously refer to it as asspulls but obviously I think the writing is good.

I miss Minowa.

i like this scene, caracaru knows Minowa s power .
And then he handed thats usb

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wierd end for caracaru. he added tension against baku.

I'm slightly irritated that a more mediocre gambling manga, Gambler's Parade, copied this exact scene and twist

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the man can't catch a break after nejimaki. which I don't get uratarou was rather interesting

After looking at it again, I guess it's not -exactly- the same scene. Instead of peaking at cards the protagonist is cheating openly by yelling while looking at his phone and the blind opponent won't call it cheating.

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I mean Caracal is probably enough of a match for Minowa, but yeah, it was a good scene. On a reread its clear Billy gets shocked because Minowa puts weight on him and he cant stand up. Compressed muscles with extra weight and all that superhuman schtick.

Did they really? Shamefur dispray.

On the other hand, Gamblers Parade did a better setup for this kind of twist by laying out in the rules that only the two gamblers were allowed to call a time out because of suspected cheating. That specific rule was lacking in Usogui. Kakerou is supposed to be neutral so of course it could witness cheating and remain silent, but Sadakuni's ally saw everything unfold and remained silent too. I guess you could explain that he was too surprised and dumbfounded to intervene.

If he calls out Usoguis cheating, Usogui can call out their cheating which was worse by Kakerou standars since it had referee support.

Its a piece of shit you nigger. Go read holyland if you want fighting quality.

Just because a manga is good doesnt mean other stuff by the same author is also good.

>Resorting to racial slurs
Oh no, it's retarded

If Usogui calls it after being reported for peaking then he risks Kakerou saying "well you both cheated so it cancels out". One kind of cheating might be worse than the other but it's a risky judgement. If Usogui could auto-win by reporting Sadakuni at any time then logically the safest approach is to report him from the start. "Hey please scan that guy's head for reconstructed vision, check the camera system for backdoors and give me an auto-win". But of course the result is not as dramatic.

How does this compared to liar game?

I think its better. but the games were pretty decent but they were played pretty straight forward. the games in usogui is always being played at least 3 different ways

Now that I think of it, Liar Game and Usogui have strong similarities. The main character is an average person with strong moral convictions, meets a master con artist, goes against an underground gambling organization, and everybody has absurd memories of tiny details. The most noticeable difference is the art improvement. Liar Game started with 7/10 art and finished with 7/10 art, Usogui started with 7/10 art and is pretty much 10/10 at this point.

So I guess I can expect musical chair-tier games in Usogui?

don't know about the but in the last arc there was a gamble using a game called battleships

The fuck? Usogui is the best gambling manga out there

Carcal is implied to be alive, they referenced the airline woman again

I thought that was a confirmation he was dead because he wont be getting on the airplane again.

Then who was this guy offscreen?

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I have terrible memory. but is she squinting her eyes like that? is she supposed to be evil?

It's pretty much my favorite gambling manga. While the beginning is a bit rough, the writing itself has a crazy amount of detail that gets referenced back to many chapters/volumes later in a way that remains consistent. The characters are all interesting and filled with personality. Has great fights too.

Typically I dislike long running series as a lot of seems like just filler and padding, but every chapter has me wanting for more to see what happens next. Usogui is severely underrated.

That's just how she looks

He can’t tell Sadakuni, that would be cheating.

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...

This manga is amazing.
At its peak (second Labyrinth gamble all the way to the end of volume 30), it's a masterpiece. It got dealt a crappy hand in the West, as crappy translations, combined with the rough artstyle of the first volumes, drove lots of readers away.
With that said, any guy who tries to say this manga is "bad" after reaching the Old Maid/Hanged Man gamble os simply too stupid to recognize a good narrative and tight execution of plot twists... and the story only gets BETTER from there.

It's MUCH, MUCH better, at least in its strongest arcs.

There are at least 4 games in Usogui that surpass everything Liar Game ever threw at us readers, when it comes to proper delivery, execution and pay off.

>hurr durr MC makes kurehzy face
>enemy makes retarded face
>hurr durr all according to keikaku

Yeah no.

Love this series but I'm too much of a brainlet to understand anything past rodeimu arc

This isn't a Kakegurui thread

I know. I was referring to Usogui.

Oh, sorry, I thought you would be talking about a series it applies to

yikes

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Non-argument

>Say something retarded
>Expect a debate instead of being made fun of
Are you retarded?

It's good but it's not really about gambling itself (it's more about having the power to claim and hold onto what you earn/win) which is why Yea Forums dislikes it, people here wanted a Kaiji clone instead (nothing wrong with Kaiji, why every gambling-related series has to be like FKMT's works according to Yea Forums I don't get though)

I honestly didn't expect it to be this awesome when I started it

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Would you?

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Ad hominem. Why don't you offer a counterpoint instead of using Reddit excuses?

back at ya, buddy. that was weak baiting and I'm being generous

>Why don't you offer a counterpoint instead of using Reddit excuses?
Because I don't debate with people saying retarded things, I make fun of them. I just said this, you really are retarded

Cope

Seething

a counterpoint to what? you not liking the genre as a whole?

>counterpoint
You need to make a point to retort to begin with though. isn't an argument.

> not posting best referee instead

She's a lesbian so you wouldn't be able to even if you wanted

Kek. All these Usoguifags defending this trash of an excuse manga. It tries to combine the elements of gambling and fighting but it fails on both. The gambling and strategies is on par with Kakegurui and Gamblefish. The author had nothing to offer other than for the MC and the enemy to make le evil and kuhrezy face. This seinen manga is even more childish than shonenshit. You're better off reading Kaiji or Liar Game, even with the bad ending.

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This. People are just being brainlets. Usogui is its own thing, the author really did his best to tackle the LOGISTICS involved in "stealing something from someone". Almost every other gambling manga, from Kakegurui to Liar Game to even some of Fukumoto's works, just counts on the reader's suspension of disbelief to avoid the question "why don't the loser just shoots the winner in the face and gets away with the money?".

Usogui is the only gambling manga that makes an effort to drill it into your head that Top Gamblers that become big fish need allies and bodyguards at their side to even be able to get the money and leave the scene alive.
The fight scenes are smooth too.

>The gambling and strategies is on par with Kakegurui and Gamblefish
All of the foreshadowing and setup that goes on throughout each gamble must just go right over your head then

> implying Queen was not thirsting for Gakuto and would probably have stripped him right there in the right circumstances

>setup
>hurr lookie here i can see the back of the card by changing my focal point

Laughable

Kaji games are purposefully more simple than Baku's because he's an average Joe who's character arc is becoming someone reliable.

Doesn't make it any less retarded.

> Sako Toshio
> fails at drawing fights
ask me how I know you dropped this pretty early

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And here we have a guy who can't read between the lines.

>dropped this pretty early
He had to have dropped it early if he's so hung up on such a minor detail like the deuce cards.

>muh minor details doesnt count

> "but it fails on both"

are you backtracking, or can you explain...?

You're right, they don't. Why would the deuce cards which were used in a single throwaway game in the beginning of the series to setup the future arcs make the ENTIRE series bad?

sad thing is, Usogui's start is not really that great. this specific user is craving attention, but I can imagine a lot of well-meaning readers sharing his opinion that the series is all "plot twists with no substance" if we go by the first few volumes alone.
Things only start to REALLY take shape during the Old Maid bet, but the séries only becomes a 10/10 around the time Amako and Minowa show up.

Yeah that's another thing I was thinking. All the things he's bringing up are at the beginning of the series even though fans also agree it didn't have that great of a start

So this is like those series that you need to read 200 chapters before it gets good? So why would I waste my time reading it?

Because it's actually only 35 chapters and you're purposefully exaggerating it to make it seem ridiculous since you have no actual arguments

This only applies for the very first few gambles, like pic related.
There are SEVERAL games in this manga that I haven't seen replicated in scope/execution/enjoyment in any other manga, and I've read all of Gambling Fish, Kakegurui, Liar Game and the other usual genre recommendations.
The Mynotaur gamble, the Sicilian Bull, the whole TV Show/Machiavelli Cards gamble, the Tower Arc with the beads, the Coin Pushing game, the Battleship in a Ship... this author is really creative.

The entire Tower Beads arc with Suteguma might be the most big brain thing I've seen in any manga, ever

It's the very peak of the series. Unfortunately, it never reaches those heights again. But those chapters were 11/10 and I'll reread them about a hundred times before I die.

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you know what, user? since without you this thread would not have reached 100 replies, I will put all shitposting aside and answer from the heart. In my opinion, this series does take a while to get good, but once it does, there's nothing quite like it. It's one of my favorite pieces of media ever.
Here are the beggining/setup of two of the later gambles. They are pretty simples. In case you're bored, just check these pages out, no context, just to look at how the art, panneling and overall narrative evolved from the first volumes. There are no spoilers for someone who doesn't really know the characters. In case you read these pages and does not get even a little curious to see how these situations play out, then this manga is just not your thing, no big deal.

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O MY ARTIFICIAL VISION was probably the most dissapointing twist.

You are that kind of people who say Attack on titan is a bad post-apocalyptic manga after reading like 3 or 4 volumes, right?

Worthy it for this page alone.

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No. That game's twist was simply bad, border on fantastical nonsense.

SnK is bad all the way through

you just don't like Titanic, user

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No I don't like retarded twist. Imagine Kaiji winning the E-card game because he had installed artificial eye and seeing through security camera.

You mean Kaiji tilted a whole building in the Bog arc?

dude, it's the other way around. In your example, Tonegawa would be the one with the artificial eye. and Kaiji would have to use that against him, just like he used the heartbeat detector that they had hidden in the device stuck to his ear.
When you think about it, the "twists" are not even that different. Sadakuni used the cameras, Tonegawa used the device connected to his watch. Both are bullshit technology. Both end up being used against them.
The "exact way the villain is cheating" doesn't need to be that amazing or convincing in a gamble manga. Much more important than that is "how is the main character gonna reverse the situation".

No. That was awesome. Artificial vision was just lazy.

The sensor thing Tonegawa had was more believable though.

I agree. But when we get to that point, where do we draw the line? Again, both are advanced fictional technology that we don't really see in real life. A golden watch that shows secret data when pressed? It only seems a little better today because of those Apple watches we have nowadays, but when Kaiji was first published, back in 1996, this shit was pure sci-fi, just like Sadakuni's eyes.

Could you explan why?
Or if you want another example like Kazuya cheated with Mother Sophie in One Poker arc or The Bog itself, since those are more mechanical?

Cheating with a more beliavable, grounded technology, not sci-fi artificial vision as if that shit was common as cataract extraction procedure. See Tonegawa's sensor watch.

Did you think Usogui winning a rounds by PRETENDING he didn't the Old Maid was lazy? That shit was cash.

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I guess it was probably due to excessive hype. Many Yea Forumsnons here suggest reading up to the Old Maid game. I liked the build up, the intensity and the characters but the twist was underwhelming imo. I lol'd when that part happened when they hyped it as the greatest shit where nobody in the room except Baku know about it and it turns out lol artificial vision.

Just like what mentioned, they are all sci-fi at that time.

Every time people try to act like all Kaiji bets had satisfying conclusions, I will remind them that Kaiji could only defeat the third plate of the Bog because he kept throwing (stolen) money at it until the thing was so full of pachinko balls that they had nowhere to go but down.
It was pretty stupid, but still hype as fuck, so most people give it a pass

I get it. Still, I think it was a good suggestion by those Yea Forumsnons, if you liked the characters and the overall hyping surrounding the gamble. The Old Maid is not even in the manga's Top 5 gambles when it comes to overall enjoyment/quality, but it's good for recommendations like this because it's the manga's first "good" gamble (the ones before it are too simple and you can feel the author is still figuring out where the fuck he wants to go with the story).

artwise, Usogui peaks between volumes 10 and 30. In that specific stretch, most of the characters look like sex gods with long eyelashes and perfect jawlines.

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I guess I should have expected that when the deuce cards shit happened where you can see the back of the card by shifting your focal point (seriously what the fuck this means) but I'll stick around reading it.

The current art is the best. The art on the final volumes is batuque-wonky

Not gonna lie to ya, I don't think any of the gambles has some kinda HOLY SHIT MINDBLOWN reveal that becomes the most memorable part of entire arc... if you go at every game with a mindset of "the way this antagonist is cheating better be impressive, or else...!", I think ya gonna keep being disappointed, except for the gambles involving the Top Tier characters where they are so good at reading each other it just becomes mind game after mind game.
If you read it for the quirky characters/dialogue/overall themes about human nature, the experience becomes completely different.

I miss this motherfucker like you wouldn't believe

Top 3 Referee, easily. One of the best arcs, as well.

-Suteguma creating a fake game with Fukurou just to throw Baku off.
-Suteguma inputting a wrong number just to throw Baku off

Baku is bullshit

I agree. Protopolis Arc (volume 31 and up) is where the art starts to go to shit. By volume 40, the characters look like caricatures of themselves, except by the occasional double spread where Toshio tries to draw them handsomely just to prove he still can do it (sometimes).

Honestly it was too hard to understand.

How so? Baku would still have lost without Ranko's help. Almost lost his eye because of his autism, to boot.

Because of O MY DYING DREAM

And some anons here saying Usogui had better gambling than Liar Game.

Usogui might really be one of the very few comics that become better with each reread, and it punishes speedreading like it's a criminal offense. Not only "speedreading" either. Even if you read it normally, if your focus wanders and you miss a few panels here and there, you get too tempted to "just feel the context and ignore this tiny bit you didn't understand". It's hard to explain. It's not a complex manga. It doesn't dwell in time travel, quantum physics or any of that shit. The Labyrinth game, for example, is a bunch a grown man playing an elaborate Mario Party match. But the manga demands every fucking bit of your attention if you want maximum payoff.
On one hand, even in your 3rd or 4th reread, you will keep finding new shit that you didn't notice before that will give you new appreciation for the work involved in crafting these games.
On the other hand, that's why this franchise is only half as sucessfull as it could have been. If the author was willing to dumb it down by even 15%, this would have gotten like 2 seasons of anime already.

The art is actually quite good recently

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Eh. What do you consider to be Liar Game's Top 3 HOLY SHIT moments?

It's good to know he's drawing beautiful people again. By the end of Usogui everyone looked like lanky midgets with big heads. Shit was weird.

I think it's because the author likes to offhandedly mention really important plot details just once in a tiny speech bubble on one single panel somewhere in the middle of other happenings, so it's really easy to miss

I guess the author put too much effort in prcticing boxing and Capoeira, so he forgot how to draw lol.

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I'm not saying Liar Game HOLY SHIT moments are what made it better. It's just that the game, the setting and the resolution of the game are all well written without pulling cheap moments or asspulls.

It has been a while since I read it, but the entirety of musical chair is what I'll consider the peak of the manga.

I love this cast.

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I love mr Egg.

stopped reading during the labyrinth stuff
was thinking of reading it once it has been fully scanlated

this is my next target after i finished akagi

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Yeah, totally. He does it on purpose. It gets to a point where you start to look at the importance of every single panel, cause you know he put something there for a reason. No character drops anything accidentally. If someone squats to check a spot, they are actually hiding something in there... and so forth.

lol
I really admire Toshio. He seems like a healthy, passionate dude, and peak Usogui is one of the smartest, most charming shit I've ever read.
Still a fucking shame he dropped the ball so hard in the last 1/3 of the manga.

I just started reading it a couple days ago and caught up last night actually
each mini arc or game or whatever seems to drag on just a bit longer than it should
also I don't know if it's the weird chink translations, the fact that it's not always clear which speech bubble belongs to which character, or the random flashbacks, but it felt really hard to follow at some parts
I thought it would be mostly mindgames and stuff but then the superhuman martial arts took up more and more focus and I didn't know what they were going for eventually
pretty fun cast of characters at least

I agree. I think Musical Chairs is also what a lot of people remember from it, so many years later, and that kinda helps the reputation of the manga.
But the best gambles in Usogui definitely are in that ballpark. In a sense, they also benefit from involving less characters (there was always a big mob in almost all Liar Game gambles, which resulted in most of them being either bribed or convinced to help one of the teams, which always felt like a very uncertain factor in such huge gambles).
Everyone in Usogui is a smart son of a bitch, though, so we get less POVs from the Average Joe perspective, which we had a lot in Liar Game (hell, half the masked organizers needed shit explained to them all the time).

Damn, Madarame Baku looks like THAT???

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I wouldnt be surprised if the author did this. He is very laid back with characters.

does the author eventually learn how to draw female characters?

I believe one of the most complicated aspects from this manga to convey and explain is how different it is from other gambling stories, atmosphere wise.
It has more in common with the likes of Jojo or Baki than it does Kakegurui or Liar Game. The characters are always a single step away from starting to strike poses, and some of them would feel right at home in a Keisuke Itagaki manga. The only fair way to describe it is "superhuman sociopaths solve things through gambles, but half of the time they end up beating each other up during said gambles anyway".
Honestly, the only thing stopping it from being MUCH more popular is the fact that every arc crams too much content into it. Even if the highlights keep you hooked, it can be pretty exhausting.

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without the mole, if you told me early souichi eventually looks like that, I would have said you're full of shit

Only tomboys

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It's really funny how shockingly handsome everyone becomes later on, especially Baku and Souichi.

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this is the pic I saw in some high IQ manga characters thread a few days ago when I decided to pick it up
I still had no idea who they were supposed to be until a few chapters leading up to it

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fuck, I remember the insane hype when I saw this scene for the first time in the raws. At this point it truly felt like this series could go anywhere. Was this the final arc? Was Usogui ending? Now I wish that was the case. The bookstore meeting and the flashback TeamDuwang is working on now is truly the last great stretch of the series. From this point on, it kinda goes downhill, both artwise and plotwise. Too much kung fu and too little mind games. The balance it had in the Tower Arc and the Battleship on a Ship were pretty ideal, in comparison.

What was the best gamburu and why was it KAJI KINO?

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Suteguma giving the wrong number and MERELY PRETENDING to be cool.