Is Baki, post prisoner arcs, the greatest fall in quality in all shonen? It went from one of the greatest martial arts manga of all time, following the story of an underdog with one simple but interesting goal, to a bunch of side fights as he seemed to reach his goal... then delayed that to watch everyone completely out of character assume some random asshole who lost nearly every fight he had would win v Baki (now considered top of the world class) because ''he's tasted defeat''.
Followed by literally imagination super powers. Then having half the cast including Baki get bodied by some random cave man, none of them doing any actual damage to it.
Said caveman wins by simply being bigger and stronger than all of them, including the guy identical in height, in a manga about marial arts which were made to overcome such things, where characters casually beat up animals far stronger than Pickle should be, completely ignoring Baki's own super strength from his demon back
Then the final fight is 90% Yujiro talking to an imaginary ghost of a Hanma as strong as him (making all the flashbacks of people being shocked Yujiro's strong make no fucking sense) and just sort of dropping the fight, calling baki tied strongest, even though Pickle bodied him like a day earlier
The pickle fight is the clearest drop. When Baki fought Hanayama; also a big, strong guy who completely outclassed Baki in this regard, he bit on glass to use pain to keep himself awake.
When Baki fought pickle his magic imangination addrenaline super powers just let him break his lungs and fix them by breaking them harder twice.
Introducing the ability to nullify all pain via the excersize drug was a mistake
Is Baki, post prisoner arcs, the greatest fall in quality in all shonen...
I agree
>he doesn't read Baki for the bullshit but I believe it philosophy thar drives the fights
Baki is doing great, it's just not for you.
The first series isn't fully translated yet, right?
Kinda hard to say if it drops in quality.
No its not, and that is why I read it. Its also not how fights worked for the majority of the series.
For the majority of it, if he got seriously hurt, he'd have to work around the injury. He did not simply get mad enough to not care.
>Defending the imagination super powers
Yujiro himself laughs at it and says how dumb Baki is for fighting imaginary mantis's. there is no defending it.
You know there was an anime of the first series right?
>Anime
May as well just watch paint dry
Well then go learn Japanese and translate the first series yourself instead of whining about it.
Did you forget how Baki vs Retsu went down in the first serie?
That's the whole reason Baki surpassed Yujiro, he was able to overcome what his father couldn't, boredom, through just having fun. There is a whole serie about this.
What I'm saying is it's fair game to shit on what you don't like but you're kidding yourself or weren't paying attention if you say Baki hadn't had these elements since day one.
It's translated, look in the archives.
I wonder how many times the phrase above was spelled in these threads.
Oh I know about the archives already, but its been said so much that i dont like repeating it to newfags.
>watch anime
>go learn japanese
>it's translated
>I was merely pretending my good sir
>>That's the whole reason Baki surpassed Yujiro
No he didn't
His fight v Yujiro was him being used as a literal toy
Its his fault for not already knowing about the archives when its constantly mentioned in these threads.
Did you even read what I said? And do you realise the meaning of Yujiro being able to play with his son?
Yes, you said he surpassed Yujiro, which is objectively untrue. He couldn't do so much as land a single scratch on a casually not even trying Yujiro. The old chinese guy made Yujiro more frightened than Baki did
I'm just going to assume you're being dense on purpose
Maybe I'm just a pleb but everything about this series seems confusing and retarded
How so? what exactly confuses you?
Basically Japan number one and his dad is unbeatable and fuck the human body or any semblance of real martial art. Got it? No? FUCK OFF AND DIE!
On the surface is just people beating each other to death but the whole thing is born out of Itagaki doing mental exercises and wanking about the meaning of everything fight related.
And you are being wrong regardless.
>serie
Maximum Tournament arc was the series peak imo, it's been on a very, very slow decline after that
Maximum Tournament is tournament arc kino. One of the best ever written along with Kengan Ashura.
Baksimum tournament>Younger Baki just struggling>Prisoner jailbreak
The rest of the series is mediocre to bad. Baki became more and more boring as he got older since he got closer to Yujiro meaning fights needed to
A: Not feature Baki
B: Be total curbstomps
C: Introduce someone who's also above everyone but Yujiro out of nowhere (Pickle, Musashi)
The series continuing post-Yujiro recognizing Baki just feels sad. The arc is over. He had his goal, he finsihed. That goal was the main interesting aspect. Not watching people get curb stomped.
Baki really had so much more personality in the first series. I guess they were trying to make him more like his father as time went on, but he just seemed so much more boring and lifeless compared to his old self.
And both had shit anime.
Please dont remind me of the kengan anime.
It's not confusing, but it's definitely retarded
if we ever get a decent translation
t. confucius
Are you illiterate user?
Baki doesn't have to be stronger than Yujiro to surpass him. The point of it was that there were challenges that Yujiro would never be able to beat, but Baki already could.
Baki will be stronger than Yujiro one day, that is almost guaranteed, but just being stronger than someone doesn't necessarily mean you surpassed them. Baki could just wait until Yujiro is an old man and go kick his ass - he'd have beaten him in a fight but it wouldn't mean anything.
There never was a Kengan Anime.
He was literally trying to surpass him in strength, not in heart.
And he won't, since the pickle fight showed Pickle, who lacks super demon back, was so strong Baki couldn't even harm him at all beyond momentery stuns and Yujiro is nearly as big, maybe even physically stronger AND a genius of martial arts on or above Baki's level of talent who casually masters arts just to piss people off.
Baki couldn't even beat a guy who should be physically weaker than Yujiro from being close in size with no demon back who had no skills beyond what he learned on the fly fighting baki. He couldn't even harm him.
How the fuck is he going to do literally anything to Yujiro short of Yujiro effectively letting him win by forgetting he's also the most skilled in the world on top of strongest
The end of the prisoner arc is alredy a drop in quality, we went from the hypest start ever to a bunch of jobbers who weren't even in the game coming in and stealing the kills. Also, the Raitai arc is pretty great, the series goes to shit with Ali Jr.
The author was so dedicated to his that he bashed his head on his desk every time Baki got hit in the skull in order emulate his mc's brain damage
what’s wrong with the anime?
youre thinking hajime no ippo
Pickle and Musashi were a mistake. The manga should have ended with the fight of Yujiro and Baki.
Also Motobe powerup was the biggest bullshit in the entire series.
>Also Motobe powerup was the biggest bullshit in the entire series.
And still the best thing about Musashi Dou.
pleb filtered
I enjoyed Musashi Dou thoroughly except maybe the ending was a bit weak. Musashi was actually a very interesting character.
So did we ever find out why yujiro killed baki's mom? Also why did kozue disappear?
this, i really enjoyed the concept of
>lets pull this literal psychopath manslayer swordsman out of the past just cause he was called "the strongest" at one point and fight him with our bare hands
>what the fuck why is he cutting everyone apart? no fuck this guy who invited him here?
>stop cutting people musashi this is a different time you cant do this anymore, even though we're the ones who brought you here and cutting people apart is literally all you know how to do
i love it, its like if they brought a t-rex to life and were surprised it wasnt house-trained, what a bunch of idiots. plus, i enjoyed musashi as a character and i thought his asthetics were 10/10
i might just be a swordsmanfag but everytime mushashi swung his swords or did his air cutting thing it got me really excited
he killed her cause not caring about anyone is a lot of yujiros character, and he knows it. i think baki and evryone else cared way more about the murder than yujiro did, he has a well documented indifference to his kids and their mothers
it was more than likely just a part of yujiros day, like eviscerating a polar bear or killing a street thug or having a smoke or whatever
i think kozue is gone cause its already established that shes bakis girlfriend forever, and she doesnt have much to do with any parts of dou, so why would she even be in it?
originally, it seemed like he was just a huge fucking asshole. later in the series, with the big fight at the end of SoO, the explanation is that he literally loved her too much, and forgot to control his strength when he hugged her.
i'll refrain from calling it a retcon, cause it does at least line up with his dialogue and weird-ass behavior. way back when.
Agreed too. The imaginary sword thing was cool, but wasn't really consistent though.
>starts by holding air swords and swinging them, which gives his opponents actual pain
>then fights using real swords
>when fighting Yujiro seems to have an epiphany, discards his swords and tries to attack using the edges of his palms as blades
>Memetobe blocks it but claims it would have fucked Yujiro's shit up
>later he keeps using the edges of his palms, but it seems to have just the same effect as the air swords he used at the start
>goes to back real swords to fight Pickle because it's better
really did just seem like itagaki was torn on the message of his own manga.
>nothing is stronger than the body
>but muh nippon steel folded 1000000 times hnnng
pickle is based fuck off
I think the imaginary cuts and no sword style are two different things, the imaginary cuts are like Baki's mantis and Sukune's Rikishi which are imaginary but they're "imposing their will" onto other people to make them believe it's real. The no sword style is him actually cutting people with his palms as if they were swords. The reason he goes back to using actual swords is because Itagaki felt it wasn't right to not have Musashi holding actual swords.
>stop cutting people musashi this is a different time you cant do this anymore
Right, it was kind of similar with Pickle but a major difference was that Musashi was aware of all this but did his thing anyway. A favourite moment of mine was when his response to Baki complaining about the killings was "OF COURSE I understand you don't advance in this world by cutting people down", then moments later as the police escorts him to Tokugawa's compound he thinks "look how far I've advanced by cutting people down!". "You can't just murder people" was a CHALLENGE.
I also enjoyed his glory seeker attitude, most of the mainstay cast would look down on this sort of thing but he really enjoyed the attention, random spectators recognizing niten ichi-ryuu etc.
i think it was kind of a progression:
>in the beginning of dou musashi uses the air sword to tell people without cutting them that he could have cut them for real if he wanted to
>he meets most of the baki bros who make it clear they dont give a shit if he pretends to cut them
>musashi sees this and thinks "ok fine if they want to be cut for real i dont mind, cutting is my jam, hell yea"
>switches to sword
>meets yujiro, who makes fun of his air technique
>remembers that he started the air technique as a way to kill people for real without a sword in hand and (just my headcanon but) stops trying to evolve it after it works on people to defeat but not kill them
>decides then and there to complete the technique
>but then tokugawa gives him his actual swords back and he thinks "oh shit this is way better, holy fuck"
and then over, like, over 50 people get killed by him and everyone realizes "this was a really bad idea, my god no one can stop him"
and then moments later in the same chapter
>well fuck you look at me doing it after all
musashi was great. never understood all the whining about him.
its an odd viewpoint to have everyone tells musashi he cant be recognized for just brutality even though that is basically the sole reason yujiro is recognized as the best, arguably more so for yujiro since it was documented that yujiro really really enjoys killing and brutalizing people and no one ever gets on his case for the mounds of bodies he leaves behind him
this sounds really shitty and makes me not look forward to the chinese tournament arc, but let us be honest Baki was always really really dumb
i know it'll never happen but fuck i want a quality anime adaption of musashi dou.
i
think diehard baki fans wanted musashi to be another baki bro with his own cool style of fighting, but i guess no one wanted to accept that he was just a product of a battlefield and he was not like the rest of the cast and didnt think the same ways as them
kind of a parallel to the way the baki cast reacted to musashi in all of dou
I guess part of the intended message was that the lower deadliness of the fights is why modern martial arts can advance and reach greater heights. If every serious fight kills at least one of the participants, many promising fighters will die well before their prime.
Musashi said there was no one else on the main cast's level in his time. He was a freak of nature and others with potential all died either to each other or to Musashi before ever getting anywhere near.
it was that as well as also to illustrate how musashis way of fighting, the battlefield mentality of "two men meet one man leaves, fight or die", is completely different to the bakiverse of "fight to see who is the strongest, and if you lose train harder and try again" where no one is flat out killed in fights (most of the time)
another way to look at dou is why its important to leave the past where it is since it could fuck up the present, a lesson literally no one learned with pickle, and how bringing musashi to the present was a terrible idea destined to fail from the start and was born solely out of abject selfishness since evryone should have known how it could turn out (again lessons no one learned or ignored from pickle)
yet another way to see dou is how to beat boredom when theres no real reason left to try to be the best after the end of SoO where everyone stopped caring about normal fights and no one wanted to try for third place. they found what they hoped to be new exictement in musashi being "historys strongest" but realized what a mistake it was, and the whole story culminates with everyone realizing they fight for fun and not for glory or to be the best. musashi is the odd man out in the end being someone with no firends, no connection to the modern world, and ONLY caring about winning and glory, to the point of killing anyone he thinks could elevate his status, which is why he was sent back home in the end since he didnt belong
theres even more viewpoints of dou, like how everyone reacts to a true weapon master existing in the age of hand to hand for example, but i think everyone should realize how dou is a multifaceted addition to the story of baki and isnt just a shit fucking part cause there isnt a torunament or whatever
I'm really exited to see jack vs ali get animated. if the next season is 26 episodes they probably will include the ali jr arc wich is one of my favorites
There's a lot of philosophy in Baki that Itagaki isn't too great at explaining in an understandable way, once you realize what Itagaki is trying to say you start realize how well-written this series is
i didnt like ali jr personally, a bit too cocky and it seemed like a way to jack off muhammad ali without having ali actually fight anyone, since his son is literally ali 2.0. It aslo seemed like a good way to show how much better the baki bros are than "the greatest boxer of all time". the fake love triangle was dumb too since it was so obvious that kozue did not care from the start, i dont know why itagaki kept it going for so long when everyone knew how it would end, ruins the mystery and excitement that makes romance good. having him absolutly job and get kicked out of the story in the end of new grappler was more than a little dissapointing and after watching him get btfo by everyone else then fail cry and leave made me wonder why i wasted my time reading that whole arc
maybe i just really didnt like ali jr as a character but it seemed like a really dumb speedbump before baki goes after his dad, like it was an arc itagaki had been planning but never got around to making it, but he really really wnated to so he shoves it in last minute. it makes sense to me since there could have been something to the romance if he showed up way earlier in the story, and he might not have been blasted so bad if he was earlier, and he could have been let go of in the end much more gracefully if he was just a middle of the road competitor and not some late game threat to no one.
but dont let me ruin your view of the ali arc, i will defend vehemently some of everyone's least favorite baki moments so i might just have weird taste
i don't even think they need 26 episodes to wrap up the rest of new grappler.
I don't like the arc because I like ali particularly, mostly I love the arc because its his downfall because of his overconfidence and such. I really expected the arc to be jerking him off with how he beat doppo and everybody, so when he started getting his ass kicked by everybody I was so happy,
ali jr got treated worse than the convicts kek
well a lot of the arc was itagaki wanking off ali, with the flashback and everyone being familiar with alis every fight and how his style works and that it was incomplete
it seemed really rude too, he tried so god damn hard but got fucked over for, as far as i can tell, literally no reason. what was even the point, philosophical or plot wise, for ali jr to have ever even existed in the first place, what with his dad coming out of retirement to box and complete his style himself?
he deserved it for trying to be mr steal your girl. I also like how fucking ruthless baki was, baki legit was going to snap his neck he hated ali jr so much.
did he hate him? i thought he was going to kill him cause his dad told him thats a good way to rise to his level. baki never seemed to care (or maybe i just didnt pay attention to those parts) that ali jr was macking on kozue, i even remember him saying kozue is free to do what she wants, even if its leave baki for another guy
i dont think he ever hated him for challenging him either, baki never turns down a challenge and didnt seem that threatened by jr, even though he said otherwise (once again though, i might just be remembering it wrong)
really? sikorsky tried to kidnap kozue and he didn't get that fucking upset.
baki looks pretty angry here so I asume there's a bit of anger towards ali to some extent
thats true, hes never REALLY tried to kill someone after the match was over before and baki is only human too so i wouldnt blame him for holding a grudge after all the shit ali pulled
i get that, i was asking why was baki's ire towards jr well deserved compared to other guys he's fought throughout the series.
Firstly, Sikorsky kidnapped her purely to leverage Baki, he had no interest in her beyond that, it's also important that she was not actually hurt, Sikorsky would likely be dead otherwise. On the other hand, Ali wanted to make her his girlfriend, steal her from him in the biggest way. That is obviously worse.
probably not. but I guess its probably related to ali trying to steal who he thought was his soulmate
So is he Paru dad or not?
Its more respectful to both of them not to wonder. Both are fantastic mangaka and thinking of either as just a possible relative of the other diminishes them.
Regardless its a reasonably common name so its not all that likely that the two are related.
What's the difference between Kengan Ashura and Baki? They look like the same shit to me.
well its interesting, musashi had sharp swords but it was always his skill, reflexes, and strength that made him the strongest. even though it was knd of samuraiwank on itagaki's part, it doesnt lost the message of baki any more than retsu fighting with weapons does
i remember baki being super assblasted re kidnapping
>samuraiwank
Just musashi wank, really. Musashi explains after his fight with Retsu that there was "no one like him" in his time, implying there wasn't a single warrior in that time even close to him.
Baki was very mad, he tried to kill Sikorsky, but he didn't hold a grudge over it.
KA is better than baki could ever strive to be according to newfags
Just watched the Netflix Baki and wanted to know how to get into it. The OVA's or the manga?
baki doesn't have grudges past the Mountain arc from how i see it
i dont like the way KA's author conveys hits, like it looks all impressive but i like itagakis use of simplified lines and motion to capture a swing or weight, rather than massive splattering of particles on the page
like
>pic related
vs
>pic related
both really cool pages, but i like the way itagaki simplifies the motion withoput losing the sense of strength
Was pickle vs. musashi as cool as i remember it? as you guys remember it?
do you guys have any favorite baki pages saved? i have way too many
Yeah Doppo looks like he's going off like a bipedal howitzer here, you should also mention how Kengan goes overboard with the noodle limbs for motion shots.
yea seriously, like im convinced this guy was made to poke fun at the noodle arms
he really does.
im going to dump a few of my favorite pages
this one too
that grappler remake itagaki did a couple of months ago has me wanting him to redraw the whole series in his current style.
Post the one with oliva and baki swinging at each other at the same time
i think it was a two page spread
sorry i dont have that one
baki probably would have won this fight here if his third hit was aimed at musashi's liver instead of his balls. Kengan uses a lot more anatomical realism when it comes to weak points and exploiting them than Baki does.
ive always thought baki has grerat fucking traction on the sand in the ring, its hard to run on sand
musashi really did look like a fucking demon
musashi vs hanayama is genuinely one of my favorites fights ever, start to finish from the purity of his fist to his bones never being nicked
ive even tried hitting something with this stance, it didnt work and i hurt my hand
Musashi's visage becomes more twisted and demonic as bakidou progresses, look to the early chapters to see how beautiful he is in comparison to, say, his fight with baki. Stupid people say it's because itagaki's art was declining but it was meant to symbolize his own ever growing feelings of detachment from the modern world.
that whole thing with car involved was so fucking brutal
SoO will always be my favorite atleast untill real Dad vs Son fight
i think you mean a handsome man, i loved the unique look he had
dress was fucking amazing
i love jack's pretty boy stance here
declining? wow. i think his art is better than ever nowadays.
THE FUCKING SIZE OF THESE LADS
looking at some of these old panels i wish itagaki would bring a little gore back into the series... shit used to be brutal.
This?
imagine the smell
i cant believe how big itagaki made sukune
anyway thats all the pages i have saved, not even close to all of my favorite pages though
hell yea, someone post the convict stuff, i wanna see dorian singing o toi la vie
revenge tokyo ova plz
weird, yanagis face was a lot longer and thinner before
just kidding i have one more
remember that one time oliva played the human accordian?
everyone looks a bit different with the current art style
The guy deserved it for beating up a retard
hoping the anime adaption doesn't disappoint with the raitai's fight scenes but i know it will.
I'd probably give it to HxH for obvious reasons or Ippo after he became the Japanese champ and stagnated there for 600 chapters before I dropped it.
Ron really should have come back, he was great.
one of the few scenes the anime did well.
Remember when Hanayama did?
I honestly felt like the Prisoner arc sucked, personally. It was just asspull after asspull. The tournament arc was honestly where it was at.
Thankfully we have Kengan Ashura, which was literally Baki 2.0.
yujiro vs kaku kaioh is my favorite baki fight of all time, im an absolute sucker for strong old men, i dont care how stupid it is
i'd love to see kaku back in action.
2.0 implies better though
who on earth could he possibly fight, even yujiro couldnt knock him down, and he gave everything he had
i love this page
Against Pickle would be nice, Ultimate Logic vs Ultimate Wilderness
Man Itagaki put so much detail into hands. They're pretty distinct from each other too.
yeah thats true, but to be honest i dont know how much well see pickle fight again, hes just too fucking strong, musashi being the sword guy was only interesting matchup
hands are evrything to fighters, and itagaki knows it, almost all the important fighters have different shaped hands
i know that's why i'm sad... no real matchups left for him or yuujiro.
yujiro and pickle have never fought though, that HAS to happen at some point
Kengan Ashura is better than Baki pretty much all across the board. Only thing lacking in Kengan Ashura is training scenes but that's literally all Kengan Omega is.
i dont believe you, every page of kengan ive seen so far has looked kind of lifeless to me, and i dont like the way he draws muscles. everyones too smooth, like action figures
which chapter was this?
>Kengan Ashura is better than Baki pretty much all across the board.
lol
god jack vs pickle was one of my favorite fights
it was in Baki Gaiden - Kenjin, a spinoff about young doppo. gives some information both about doppos start, as well as him killing the tiger, and it even shows what kind of man Yuichirou Hanma was
only shame is, only like, 5 chapters translated so far, dont know if theres more
check out gaiden - scarface about hanayama too, fucking amazing and has loads of chapters but youll have to scout around for the later ones
throw in some comedy + fujobait and somehow that makes KA better than baki kek
man I got to read that now. doppo is one of my favorites with jack and pickle
I think my main gripe with kengan ashura is that I don't give a shit about 90% of the tournament fighters. like its not much different than watching a sports match in real life. there could have been more impact if we actually knew more about the characters besides just the flashbacks or story right before the fight
read scarface too, it introduces new characters, it has an amazing fucking villian and shows how hanayamas daily life in the yakuza can go as well as assassins and thier connections to the yakuza pic related is the villian
agreed. all of these scooby doo mystery plotlines are going on in omega but nothing has happened yet.
it is boring to read but fun to watch good Coreog
I love G.M.'s raw brutality. Using bystanders as bludgeoning weapons, jfc even yujiro's eyebrows would rise.
The problem with kengan is everyone has the same bodytype, just scaled up or down depending on their size. Say what you will about Itagaki's artwork but body proportions and muscles are immediately distinct from character to character.
I mean Baki isn't really much different. Maybe it's just a subjective thing, but I felt like the Kengan fighters at least had their own unique goals that they were fighting for like the Fisherman who was fighting for his livelihood as a fisherman, Ohma's loverboy trying to resurrect his "god", or speedy speed boy fighting for his girlfriend's love. Baki fighters just wanna prove they're the strongest and that's usually about it.
GM is so based
How dare you say that when Shougeki no Soma and Hajime no Ippo exist.
>Ippo
filtered
>actual Ippo apologists
you fucking wot
>tfw Sikorsky was literally forgotten about after losing to a bald manlet that threw pocket sand at him over and over again
Musashi-dou was mostly pretty boring (why did Itagaki have most of it just be about Musashi vs cops?) but the Memetobe vs Musashi and Haneyama vs Musashi fights were great at least. Retsu vs Musashi was a good fight too despite the outcome pissing people off.
>He's back in prison and now has depression from getting btfo so embarrassingly
Musashi says, in no uncertain terms, that Baki would have won the fight there if Baki had punched him in the balls instead of in the dick. How's that for anatomical realism vis-a-vis weak points?
That's not an old page. Itagaki made that earlier this year.
same thing was annoying with pickle
>pickele eats peoeple
>cool lol
>oh no hes eating people how could this happen im literally in tears
>only like, 5 chapters translated so far, dont know if theres more
There are no more, it's just the 5.
Why? Pickle lost pretty easily to Musashi and Yujiro is definitely stronger than Musashi
my boy deserved better =(
i know but that pic reminded me of the series earlier iterations
>Baki surpassed Yujiro
lmao
Its animation is shit, it cuts out entire characters from the series, entire fights are left out and a lot of the character development with the fighters between rounds is also left out.
KA lacks any distinct charm of Baki and people that prefer it are simply being filtered.
(((sumo)))
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how did it end? couldn't find the finale
I have a whole collection as well.
Scarface technically isn't over. That arc is, though.
>couldn't find the finale
The raws are in the mega.
He really nailed down the pose
But what if you like both?
Then you're a gigachad
Does anyone else like the early new grappler baki series art the best? Itagakis art changes over time a lot, but i really like the way he drew at this phase.
I'd say it's my 2nd favorite. His current artstyle is the best imo
What exactly is it you like about the new artstyle? it seems like a downgrade in terms of character design to me.
So fucking based
He had problems with it in the beginning of Sukune Dou but I think he's gotten accustomed to it so we don't really get any awkward looking panels like that anymore.
>The raws are in the mega.
>ctrl+F mega
I don't see a mega?
>ctrl+F mega
you're on some real cole phelps shit
A lot of the archive is fucked, is the mega still there?
dou is my favorite
Unless mega itself has been affected, it should be fine.
I really love the contrast here. Its pretty hard to see the change in artstyle since it happens so gradually over time, but when you compare moments like this you can really see how much its progressed since the early days.
What fighting styles would you guys like to see in Baki? I'd love to see Itagaki's take on Capoeira
what if musashi fought isshin
The Prisoner arc wasn't even that good, Speck vs Hanyama was great, but most of the prisoners were just bitches.
Pickle Arc is peak though
Kishinken
Not that guy but pickle in ironically fought dinosaurs. In that regard, he was above yujiro in terms of just sheer resilience. Baking was able to at least catch his dash with his own, and that's something yujiro probably would want to avoid or divert with his techniques. He could tank pickle with time but thats be seen he is the strongest period.
Stop posting on your phone.
I can't I'm in the shower.
>bringing your phone into the shower
>not showerposting
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yeah it changes, not necessarily a downgrade for me, but I understand your pov. For me, the peak was Hanma Baki. Also post best boi
consider bringing in a toaster next time
It really seems like halfway through the convict arc after dorian was defeated itagaki got bored of the arc and didnt really know exactly how to get through the rest of it and then tying into the next arc. Convict thing kinda falls apart after dorian and spec aren't active threats anymore, and it seems like he didnt know how to carry on with just the other 3.
>doesn't post in his fridge
lurk 7 years before posting
>they don't gravepost
Lurk AT LEAST 85 years before posting
I wonder if it was boredom or editorial pressure. Remember that we know that Itagaki gave Musashi his sword back because of editorial suggestion; it seems all the more possible that someone could have told him to wrap up the Convicts arc when Itagaki had 15 years of reputation fewer than he had when he got to Musashi. Maybe someone in the department just really, really didn't like the risky direction in which Itagaki was taking the series - too much sex, too much gore for a shounen publication. That might explain why he pulled back on both of those things after the Convicts.
I don’t like how a true OG like Biscuit gets crippled by a literal who.
Look what they done to my boy.
At least he was ruthlessly shamed like Ali Jr.
This ‘nippon shro coolu!’ thing is kinda boring and what does Yujiro even do now?
>future: "you do not climb by cutting here"
>musashi: "hold my sake"
never realized iron mike was at the pickle/musashi fight
>>>//facebook/
Where do you see Mike?
I thought it was just because the convicts are mass murderers who have no qualms with murdering people with whatever weapons they have meanwhile everyone else are fighters who typically don't go as far as to kill
That's true, but context doesn't change the demographic 'restrictions'. SAGA had to be published in a seinen magazine, and I'm sure Itagaki didn't originally plan to do that.
bottom left of center
That cant be him, Mike is black, he would have a skin shade more like Kaku's.
The thing I love most about Baki compared to other combat manga is how little text there is. You don't need 50 text boxes shitting up the page. The art is the focus. Front and centre.
>no dark skin
>different beard
>Mike was never shown with glasses previously
So you're basing this on both being bald?
You dumbass, baki lost to pickle only because he stopped using techniques, he was toying with him beforehand and had severe injuries too while fighting him
mike's in the back of this one he isn't too dark that guy from dou does resemble mike tyson a bit though
Wait a minute, how the hell did they build an entire missile silo in Garland's hole, repeatedly use it, decommission it, then imprison Sikorsky in it long enough for him to develop his finger strength all within probably one year?
The whole garland dug isnt the same as the missile silo where sikorsky was, at least i never remembered them saying that.
I think you're right, given this page. But what the fuck was Garland's hole for, then? Why were his house and his hole so close to the silo that they would be immediately concerned about his safety?
I think they said it was a test to see how strong Garland was, dont think they ever actually gave a eason other than that. Maybe the russian government just needed a ton of rocks for construction or something.
>imprison Sikorsky in it long enough for him to develop his finger strength
Who said he wasn't already that strong?
Fair enough.
strong is beautiful
Yo that goblin is wearing the same shoes as hanayama.
And the same suit.
could it be they're like, I think, well just I suppose.... YAKUZA?
Comparing Kengan to Baki is apples to oranges. As someone who enjoys both and is unencumbered by Yea Forums's ridiculous obsession with franchise wars and competition, I can get the maximum enjoyment out of both series without decrying either or when both do different things well. Hell why even mention Kengan at all in a Baki thread.
Man, those shoes look awfully familiar.
He literally has that outfit made specifically to resemble Hanayama.
Thats a guy? I thought it was supposed to be a chick?
I still think the liver is a more vulnerable spot than the balls.
There's a reason why attacks to the genitals are banned in MMA and liver punches are not.
Liver shots are a lot harder to pull off than a hit to the genitals though.
Look at that shit Baki is doing. I don't think difficulty is a concern here.
I'm talking about irl mma and why nut shots are banned but why liver shots arent, its just a guess on my part, i dont know the actual reason.
The art is good imo but the paneling is too plain and boring.
Like in that page, the characters are just standing there too zoomed out with a lot of unnecessary whilespace around them. There was no need for any of that text either it just useless commentary, just zoom on the characters (maybe on the broken hand too) and let the pictures speak from themselves.
IMO Baki knows how to do that better, it knows when to put the characters/drawings right in your face which makes it a more fun read to me.
I see what you mean, though some of the panels in kengan are pretty fucking kino, it just isnt as consistent with the great paneling as baki is.
honestly? I'd very much like western knights to get some recognition after Musashi, even though it's pretty unlikely. I mean, nobody can really compare samurai to those guys in terms of physical prowess.
Charlemagne and his band of knights would be fun.
>post prisoner arc
You mean the Raitai arc, one of the best in the whole series?
>it just isnt as consistent with the great paneling as baki is
Which is something it took Itagaki a long time to develop, too.
Whenever people drag us into the mud of making a comparison between the art of the two series, I always insist that they look at how long Kengan has been going. Kengan does not yet have even as many volumes as Grappler Baki does. And, just like we can see weird paneling choices in Grappler, we find the same in new Kengan chapters - because the creators of both are only that far into the development of their artistic styles in those examples.
Here's an example of what I consider an imperfect choice of paneling in Grappler - in volume 42. It's the last page of the final fight of the entire series, and this is how Itagaki chose to portray Jack's teeth finally breaking and Jack losing consciousness. Surely, there could have been a much more dramatic and exciting way to portray those two linchpin moments, but this is what readers got back then. Today's Itagaki wouldn't even have to think about how best to approach it; there would be a spread for Jack's teeth shattering and another, two-panel spread for Jack passing out. But he could only have drawn the scene like that if he had had much more time, experience and feedback as a mangaka - of which, comparatively, Daromeon has had next-to-none.
My two cents, anyway.
i enjoyed watching these two settle their shit, Yujiro pays his respects by giving him a proper Hanma send-off, using his demonback to drive his fist directly into the heart of Orochi. Yujiro didn't have to do it like that but Doppo earned it. It means a lot because he humiliates everyone else by doing shit like breaking their necks with flicks or folding them in half like suitcases, or even sticking fingers in their mouth and throwing them face-first into the ground. There's a lot of mutual respect between these two since their fight and it can be seen later on when they're having the bar scene and Yujiro confides his true feelings about Baki to Orochi.
And then you have this tryhard jobber trying to earn the same respect from the Ogre and failing miserably and it's just hilarious.
Agreed. People like Itagaki and George Morikawa are masters because they've been at it for decades now.
Give Kengan more time. It's already doing wonderfully for how long it's been out.
Kinda funny he tried using explosives on yujiro when he gave Doyle shit for the same thing in the second series.
He literally said why. Everyone else came at him willing to die or be killed. Ali came in claiming he was willing to die, while willing to kill, but not actually willing to die. Its spitting on the legacy of everyone else who fought in that arena.
>Kureha: Is he trying to win via muscles lol you can't do that
>Oliva: Beats everyone but Baki via muscles
Pickle: Beats everyone but Baki via muscles and also beats Baki but he used like 1 single technique
Best fight in the series
Everything beyond this is lame in comparison
Personally i really liked Jack vs Garland and Jack vs Shibukawa the best.
I don't know how people's favourite can't be Yuujiro vs Kaku or Doppo vs Shibukawa.
>Strongest guys in baki:
All very tall, very strong guys, outside of Baki himself
>Strongest here:
A 3 foot tall midget with no muscles using anime edgelod powers to be super strong
finna pass
what was the point of this character
baki implies he's strong once but the dude just runs like a girl and we never see him fight anyone except the one guy no one is allowed to beat
The midget is not the strongest.
of course not, thats yujiro
I guess hes just supposed to be yujiros buddy or some shit.
GM loses to a nobody who was introduced in Scarface and was barely relevant in it
No, I mean that he gets beaten in a fair fight by one of Hanayama's allies.
Well, calling him a "nobody" is to belie the importance of that fight and how big it was.
>Strongest guys in Baki
All master martial gods, Baki, Yujiro, the old chinese guy, showing skill trumps raw power in modern day even if power wins with equal skill
>Strongest guy in that
All big guy just throwing their weight around
finna pass
True, but I mean I doubt he's stronger than anyone of relevance in the main series
Would you niggers stop doing that already.
>Stop using spoilers for what they're for
>Using a racial slur as an insult
Yep, it's a retard
>Using a racial slur as an insult
>"Don't use an insult as an insult"
what chapter is that ?
based Sergio
I only just recently noticed that oliva actually has a scar on the side of his face from where Doyle sliced him. Pretty cool that little details like that are remembered.
Don't you have some ribs to replace?
Nah, Itagaki is waaaaaaaaay better than KA's author to transcribe ultra violence.
Might be down to KA being a partnership vs a one man job. Different connections to the art and writing.
I've noticed times when the actual idea behind a move in KA and what the artist put down don't always match-up perfectly and the break between author and artist might be a cause of that.
That Kishimoto arc ended so badly holy shit. Is that the last arc? I didn't want to read anymore after that.
>the greatest fall in quality in all shonen?
No, that would have to be everything in Hokuto No Ken after the death of Raoh. In other words, post-timeskip (all the second half of the manga). Pure garbage. Shitty arcs, shitty retcons, everything is shitty.
>Hakuto no asspull
>Martial arts
>He hasn't read Death Note past L's death
I envy you
>Death note
>Good
No. Terrible tucking arc. So much metaphorical bullshit that you don't even know when he killed someone or not.
And it got even worse after L's death
Son of Ogre is objectively the best Baki series
Fight me
I haven't read New Grappler because the scans are shitty quality, but I assume it's no better than Grappler Baki
>the break between author and artist might be a cause of that
Supposedly, they're an extremely closely tight-knit team, along with their editor.
Post his skinless smile.
Name a more stylish character
protip: you can't
Animation is shit and CGI grating, but I don't think the fights look too bad. I didn't feel like the fights and characters who were dropped were actually a big deal, though cutting interactions between characters outside fights was a bad idea.
Jack's fight versus Pickle is truly disgusting.
this was the stupidest shit, why would he need to camouflage? he hadn't had it among his hunting techniques, at least on panel
low test
Beautiful*
It may have been dumb, but fuck did he look cool.
In the good sense, you dolt. I mean it's incredibly brutal.
Jack fights in general tend to be more brutal than most fights in the series
never understood that "technique"
ight
I think I like this concept for Pickle more than the actual design. It gets across that he's from ancient times and is like a wild animal more than his actual design
Pickle fights were the coolest shit, I get why some people might not like the imagination bullshit and other dumb shit that came after the earlier arcs but goddamn
too similar to the mountain monkey, though I agree that Pickle turned into fujo bait
Kino. the similarities between those two were splendid, I hoped that Jack would actually damage Pickle more. All in all Jack deserves a big win already.
He may not have done the most physical damage, but Jack DID do some mental damage. Jack was the first person to make Pickle run away in fear.
He'll probably bite a rikishi.
This is going to Raitai 2:0 if not I call the biggest bullshit since... I don't even know. But then again Sukune tanked Oliva's punch so...
Sukune is on their side in this.
yeah yeah I know I'm just pointing out how ridiculous this arc already is
I'm torn since on one hand:
>Pickle is a mary sue until baki dou
On the other hand:
>Pickle is extremely VERY cute and huggable
He's a goddamn rapist and he stole a victory from Jackhamma.
What the fuck does Itagaki have against Jack? Just let him one of the fucking fights where he challenges the arc's boss.
Destroy him again? Sure, but let him fucking win for once. How many times have other strong characters acknowledged his insane bullshit recoveries? That shit means nothing to me when no one in the manga gives a shit
how can he be a goddamn rapist when he literally came before the bible was made and therefore is older than god
Pickle is more like an animal than human, concepts like rape dont exist to him.
I know this is the baki thread, but I figure it's also as close to a martial arts thread as you can get on Yea Forums.
Is Ippo worth reading? I tried reading it before but it was just so boring, and had so much non-fight related drama and I thought it was all a waste.
I'll probably just reread Baki for the fourth time instead though.
Nah
Boring whiny MC
Big guy is supposed to be the appeal but he's honestly just a mary sue
I've heard ippo is pretty good if you like boxing, though recently people have been a bit sour over certain things in the story.
>Fights an untrained monkey
>Barely wins
>Gets told he'd never win ever again no matter what because the guy is so talented
Its just kind of sad
Ippo's coach is a terrible coach and ippo's a mediocre boxer compared to all the mary sue ones so he just comes off as a slowly dying loser now
I haven't read much ippo, what fight was that? sounds fucking stupid.
Ippo V Walley. He wins once when the guy doesn't know how to fight and is outright told he'll never win the moment the guy gets any because he's simply that talented.
Guys, do you know where to read Baki Gaiden Kenjin in raw ? Only chapters 1 to 5 have been translated but I don't mind reading it in japanese.
What is it with people in this manga and ball kicking? seriously, it happens so damn often.
Because it works. They explained this during the Pickle fight. The better question is why don't they do it more. Pickle would have lost if Baki simply kept kicking his balls until he had no balls.
Its literally an internal organ with near no protection.
I think Doppo's the only one to negate it too, no one else sees it coming.
If it is all out, the three points you are going for are the eyes, the throat and the balls.
Even against women it counts as weak point.
Because it's the most efficient technique IRL. Kicking the balls/gouging the eyes/striking to the throat are like the only ways to defeat anybody, even guys way taller than you.
But shit like biting is effective to, but only jack does that. no one uses eye gouges either.
>Because it's the most efficient technique IRL
Not true at all.
Not really, it hurts like a bitch, but if you've been hit there a few times, like most people who train will be, you can deal with it pretty decently.
Did you forget why Doppo is blind
Or the part when he lost his hand
Or the part when his dojo was set on fire
They do plenty of underhanded shit, its just always againt doppo, his kid or ali jr
Maybe if you fighting a woman although at that point a light breeze would also work
Superior MEN can suck their balls in
Stop jacking off to your liver bullshit.
Ippo is good. I know a lot of people are tired/salty about Ippo's inner struggles but desu HnI not only has great fights but it's also incredibly funny so even if Ippo haven't been fighting much as of late it's still really enjoyable to read.
>Did you forget why Doppo is blind
Exceptions dont disprove the rule, people in this manga never eye gouge
>Or the part when he lost his hand
>Or the part when his dojo was set on fire
both happened in the same arc
i'm not even the liver guy m8.
>>Exceptions dont disprove the rule, people in this manga never eye gouge
>Doppo
>Never
You didn't say nearly never
>both happened in the same arc
Your point is
It happened when they were fighting criminals. Most of the chars aren't criminals looking to permanently harm their enemies.
Wouldn't any murderer immediately get caught and hanged in Japan?
Im still not over that time Gaia went through a mans ass.
>But shit like biting is effective to
Not really. You have to put your face withins the enemys reach.
Only rarely is it save to do that and even then better use your hands to attack the enemy face.
this is absolute bullshit that he survives this
they do eye gouge but it rarely succeeds
can someone give me a reading order? there are so much spin-offs and alternative names
from what I got it's Baki > Grappler > New Grappler > son of ogre > Baki Dou
I don't get why so many compare Kengan Asura to Baki.
Artwise, they ain't similar. Both in character designs and the way they draw fights. KA is much more typical ''LINES SPAM SPEED LINES'' style than Baki.
Story, also, they ain't similar. Baki is the personal, driven journey of a guy with a very specific goal in mind, only really focussing on others once he's at the top of the world and therefore is hard to write fights for.
KA is about some loser aping the style of a guy aping the style of a loser who failed at everything he ever tried, unsure for the majority of it why he's doing anything.
Baki has its character turn into a magical man who just belives shit so hard his imagination lifts him off the floor who fixes broken lungs by breaking them again.
KA's MC dies the moment he becomes likeable.
Baki uses proper techniques to fight along with his retarded addrnaline boost shit
90% of the KA MC's fightes are him killing himself via retardo mode because he's such a little bitch he can't win without slowly dying
Outside of the very vague ''a kid wants to do martial arts'' plot, they aren't very similar, at all. In writing style, in character design, in plot.
Even if its comparing KA to prisoner arc and on baki, where the story stops being about baki most of the time, they still aren't very similar.
Dunno I liked China a lot. The whole concept of Jesus Baki was great.
The main comparision comes from Kengans Annihilation Tournament being in the same spirit as the Maximum Tournament. Bit of a well known fact that Sandrovich loves Baki himself and KA essentially was partially a love letter to that tournament.
Otherwise its because many that are into Baki also got into Kengan since its a fighting manga aswell, those fanbases overlap heavily.
I've been putting reading this off for a while but it's very good and I've known that for a while
I'm getting excited for a good read
Kek
Pickle and Musashi were disastrous arcs.
please tell me there are better translation than this
>no one uses eye gouges either.
Shinogi sort of tried but Gouki already didn't had one eye. Kato also tries to do it a lot, but he always fails and gets his fingers broken.
Mostly because both primarily feature a secret underground fighting society a muscular dudes beating the crap out of each other. They have a similar sounding initial premise but do different things with it.
Alongside Doppo and also Kosho's attempt on Shibukawa that have been mentioned, Haneyama's eyes got attacked by Memesashi too
>not mentioning Chiharu vs Baki
>Kato
Wish he kept up with the main gang instead of falling behind and becoming irrelevant.
China should've been cooler but most of the Kaiohs were uninteresting jobbers unfortunately.
Still undecided over what's more shocking about this story, Gaia going through a man's ass or Itagaki drawing a cute girl.
agreed kato is badass
On mangadex
this tourney against the sumo guys is gonna be another raitai deal right? i can't see any of the bakibros losing other than maybe shibukawa
>shibukawa
he countered a literal sumo god, if anyone is to lose its probably Doppo or Hanayama for shock value. Though I'd be delighted to see Baki fall in the first round lmao
Gouki is going to be the Memetobe of this arc.
His character did become pretty one note after the Maximum Tournament arc (mainly due to Yujiro's character role changing if anything) but up until Musashi-dou I'd argue that his character wasn't that bad. He completely memed on Sikorsky. I hated almost everything about his fight with Pickle but he technically gave a good showing there. He also wrecked Ali Jr.
Him getting styled on by Motobe was total bullshit but then Motobe himself was total bullshit throuhout that arc.
There's one more character in the sumo gang than there is in Baki's gang, I'm guessing it'll end with Sukune vs one of those sumo guys. I feel like this character is actually going to join the main cast of characters or some shit.
He deserves nothing less, Shibu a best. Still won't make me forgive what they did to Oliva.
I'm grateful he is still alive, at least he didn't got Musashi'D like poor Retsu against Musashi.
F for Retsu. I felt getting killed by Musashi after a horrible fight should fall to Katsumi.
i wouldn't be surprised to see him join the bakibros they seem to have taken a liking to him. he definitely won't be getting the ali jr treatment.
>Itagaki takes the Barapill
Holy shit an alive Baki thread? This hasn't happen in months
This just makes me want that user's idea about a sengoku period Motobe isekai to be a real thing
>Villain has abilities that affect their opponent's mind
>Opponent is immune because they already have brain damage
I love it.
based Trex bro
Garland got shat on pretty hard in the Convicts arc. So did Koshou who was actually really prominent throughout the previous arc (his fighting style is probably to esoteric/wacky for Itagaki though)
what the deal with GM how is he so powerful?
midget power
he's a little guy
Well, we do need somebody to fill Retsu's place as the moest baki.
theres a ton of interesting characters from the first series who either never show up or show up very rarely after the tournament. Toba,Koshou,Hanada,Kato,that entire military squad who was buddies with Gaia,Yuri, etc.
I still hope Retsu will appear as Katsumi's stand
Did the Haneyama Gaiden get fully scanlated recently or something, feels like way more people are talking about it than usual lately
Literally drugs.
So many that they would kill someone 10 times his size, then taking additional drugs to cover the negative effects.
inb4 he takes jack under his wing, teaching him the fist of the dope, increasing jacks ability to dope himself 1000 fold, allowing jack to finally get a heart attack and die so he stops shaming yujiro by taking so many shortcuts to strength and still losing all the time
I hope Retsu takes over Katsumi's body and then snaps Tokugawa's neck.
based. That little fuck deserves it.
unfortunately no
>so he stops shaming yujiro by taking so many shortcuts to strength and still losing all the time
I mean Jack fucking up his body with the drugs and poorly balanced training and shit was the stated reason for why he can't match up to Baki. A teacher in theory would fix that shit.
He did better than Baki v pickle desu
Lasted longer and also did no actual physical damage at all
the issue in Baki is how much Baki suck as a character.
And Yujiro powerlevel being beyond retarded (don't get me started on the Vietnam war part)
>miss the door
>keep going anyway
is he autistic?
*SHBONG*
STRAWBERRY!
that's the point
Baki was a pretty compelling albeit straightforward character at the start
Later on the series went in a different direction that did make it more 'unique' in narrative but Baki himself did become more boring as a result I guess
He had so much more personality in the first series. Starting in new grappler baki Itagaki made him start acting more like Yujiro, and he got a lot more boring as a result.
Hasn't Kureha been making sure he doesn't fuck himself up?
You'd need a guy willing to go hard on weird inbetween frames just to fully convey the alien motions that happen in Musashi Dou, and most later Baki chapters in general. Masaaki Yuasa's the closest I can think of to a director/animator who's willing to go for that, but I feel like it still woldn't be enough.
Can Jack even get more drugs? Didn't the scientist who made his steroids commit suicide?
Explain me this
I feel like I'm the only one who couldn't enjoy this fight, Itagaki got way too high on the imagination pill for me
>
You can't reliably ban something like a liver shot. It's too specific and located in an extremely high activity area. You're never punching as low as someones balls and a kick has a very low chance of accidentally hitting them.
what the fuck
I don't want to see this ever again desu
>Baki get hit in the ball
>it does nothing to him
yeah, fuck off
any examples of his work?
I have something worse.
now I'm sickenedbutcurious.jpg
fuck you
fuck yeah
Baki is a very lucky boy.
imagine the pain
based connaiseur of gourmet food and finest women
jfc
>jfc
I'll never not be mad
where is his nose?
yep, baki is utterly shit, itagaki missed a yujiro vs pickle, or baki finally beating the crap of yuhiro, but mary sues are mary sues. And Garouden on hiatus.....
I liked the art in the ali arc the best honestly. or the pickle arc
people hate musashi because he killed retsu but that whole fight was pretty kino with musashi telling retsu he'd give him a beautiful end, and "show him what it really meant to be cut"
Ping Pong: The Animation and Devilman crybaby are the two he's most notable for these days.
thanks i'll check them out.
musashi best boi
O MY GRAND SUMO
That is horrifying
Not really, think about the mechanics of a strike to the jaw like that. He blew through his face so fast and hard that all the force was dumped in the parts of him that got destroyed, if it were a slower strike his neck probably wouldn't have survived.