Kaguya

>Locked forever

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That just means she only comes out when Kaguya needs to be an absolute and completely unlikeable cunt.

This manga was NEVER good.

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>hate kashitwagi
>but, really like this kashiwagi
conflicting

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Maki, that Kashiwagi is also dating Tsubasa. Move on.

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Yes, when it was a funny, lighthearted romcom without unnecessary "realistic" drama. Especially everything surrounding Ishigami.

You have Takagi-san as an example of how that goes. It's shit. Once you reach the point where the joke and the formula have been beaten to death, there is nothing past the fact that the characters are shallow as fuck and that nothing ever happens. Aka made the right call with the direction for this series, no matter how loudly the minority bitches about it.

We saw her just two chapters ago, don't worry

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>no spoilers
Oh no no no no no hahahaha AXE when?

Aka literally ruined this manga with Tsubame you can't argue he didn't if you have a brain.

How did he ruin the manga with events that took place over the course of a grand total of two chapters? What the fuck?

>He didn't give Miko a free win, and I feel threatened
Seething.

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We had super early spoilers shitposter-kun-san

user, don't reply to shitposters. They aren't worth your time.

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>Once you reach the point where the joke and the formula have been beaten to death, there is nothing past the fact that the characters are shallow as fuck and that nothing ever happens
Watamote being another example. You have to either introduce new formula, or wrap the thing up completely. But it's still somewhat sad to witness the original concept to run its course nonetheless.

>Prez suddenly loves Kaguya
What happened?

Don't worry Mikado will join the Stuco soon and shake up the formula.

>Yes, and noone in this triangle is trying to understand the other.
Yep. That basically fits what I'm seeing too. Tsubame is too scared, Miko too confused, and Ishigami too focused on his feelings of personal inadequacy. None of them are currently on the right path.

What? But Tsubame is the one that's seeking out advice, and even reaching out to Ishigami lately, if anything she's making an effort to understand his side of the story, Ishigami likewise has stated he'll make her fall for him, and obviously is going to be paying attention to her in the process as well (and no, he's not a goddamn mind reader who can just figure out she has trust issues at this point in time), and Miko is realizing her own feelings on the matter, and will be paying more attention to Ishigami in the future.

"Noone is this triangle is trying to understand the other" sounds like complete utter bullshit to me.

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moekaguya a best
icekaguya a shit A SHIT

Since Hayasaka is supposedly like Kaguya when her mask is not being worn, does that mean raping the first mouth that you feel inclined to kiss is common behavior between the two?

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Did you see what she did to F?

remember when hayasaka was a deep, complex, and independent character rather than a horny kissless dyke

>and obviously is going to be paying attention to her in the process as well
Pay attention to his conversation with Prez. When Prez brings up that subject, Ishigami switches over to his feelings of inadequacy instead. Prez then gave the advice that worked for himself, with Kaguya, but that's a really fucking indirect method and Tsubame isn't Kaguya.

I'd say that whole conversation is hinting at Ishigami trying the wrong approach. He's trying to find an alternative to 'harassing' Tsubame with his advances. Meaning, 'paying attention to her in the process' isn't so obviously included.

I'd say Tsubame is actually putting the most proper thought into the situation out of everyone.

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That was literally never the point of her character. She is hyper competent, but wants to find her own little bit of happiness, that was shown since long ago.
Also letting a joke moment get to you too hard.

t. Aka

>Roundabout way of doing things
Seriously, just pay attention if you think this conversation implies this is the kind of approach Ishigami should take. The thing is full of warning signs.

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It's pretty funny how Tsubame became an actual interesting character in like 5 chapters. Seriously, Aka better fucking deliver with Iino's development because for fucks sake look at how long she has been around, and the waifu fags are being so annoying that they are raising the bar for it to be satisfying.

He's not really expressing his inadequacy there though. He's saying that trying to approach someone to like you when you don't have the proper "requirements" may come across too strong and make them hate you more, an user also pointed out that third balloon on the bottom right reads like this in Chinese:
>It's not that I'm not brave enough, but it's difficult to express affection without making the other person dislike you

He's scared that after walking out on her like that, and all that happened trying further would be a problem, so that is paying attention, he's trying to find a middle ground where he won't come off like a retard. When she came up to him and made up and they both excused what happened, and he made it clear he still likes her and wants her to feel the same, it's better than simply trying to make her fall for him without expressing the intent, considering the situation.
I mean what else is he going to do? "Oh it's ok, I'm over what happened, let's keep being friends." like nothing happened? Nah, him stating his intent is the best move, and she liked it as well.

Plus you gotta remember, it's not that she dislikes him, so the whole talk is partially hypothetical and Ishigami reaching for extremes since he's not sure how their relationship stands prior to them making up.
Tsubame obviously is putting in more effort, but she's in a position that allows her to try more in that regard, while Ishigami just started his. It feels a little unfair to try and compare them now. Even Miko who is still in completely oblivious to her feelings is going to start her own later.

Reminder that Kaguya will cheat on Prez with a BBC when they go to America.

4 pages when aka you hack

The roundabout way of doing things part is correct, but you gotta consider the following too:
Tsubame already knows perfectly well he's interested in her. President and Kaguya had a suspicion but they were too chicken to try and do it for real due to overthinking the situation.
What else is he supposed to do? They were already on nice terms before this, so him aiming to make him a suitable candidate who she can give a chance to is the best move.

No, fuck off. Worst forced drama ever fucking conceived. MUH SPLIT PERSONALITIES nearly ruined this series.

It's actually depressing, Miko's been around for like what? 90 chapters already? And she was interesting during the elections, completely flatlined and all we have so far is potential for something interesting.
Aka has a knack for taking one note characters and doing a lot with them in very little time, Maki for example who became great the moment she got actual focus.
I wonder what the fuck he was thinking with Iino, a main character whose everything revolves around one guy and no one else.

user you are not seeing the bigger picture, it's pretty obvious that the entire reason for that is to make loliguya appear during their first time.

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>aka finally gives us 4 pages of sex
>it's all mosaic and censored

Kaguya knew, Ice hinted as much during her awful introduction, but she was a retard about it because she was't 1000% sure.
That's why she toned herself down so much and normal appeared.

Miko a shit. A SHIT.

>lino
>main character
Is this what mikofags believe? Delusional

By that point it was 100% obvious. That's not really a good point.
Also, what does that have to do with my post? We know that already.

>a main character whose everything revolves around one guy and no one else.
Ugh this is the part that bothers me the most, every time she appears it is almost guaranteed that it's gonna be about Ishigami. It's almost like seeing a harem girl from the girl's pov, shit is weird as fuck.

She's just a shoujo protagonist, she has no life outside the guy.

Iceguya and Ishitgami killed this manga. Axed when?

Heh, that's a better way to put it, the fact that she's a female self insert makes it even better.

When is she coming back to life?

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>He's saying that trying to approach someone to like you when you don't have the proper "requirements" may come across too strong and make them hate you more
His expressing that he doesn't have the right "requirements" is an expression of inadequacy. "Lacking the requirements" is literally what "inadequate" means.
>Nah, him stating his intent is the best move, and she liked it as well.
How he said it was good, but reading some of his thought processes here makes it sound worse.
The thing is, his suitability has never been the issue. Self-improvement is fine and all, but the result is that his attention may end up directed too much at himself. Tsubame has raised the issue of "getting to know one another better", but Ishigami has never shown an inkling of that thought. He's been purely focused getting good enough, when that doesn't seem to be what she responds to.

Kaguya needed someone who could keep up with her, and lost a lot of friends because they couldn't. That's not Tsubame.

i always wondered what this bible verse means and what it has to do with karen

>when that doesn't seem to be what she responds to.
It completely melted her when he told her about it. Despite how weird it is, at its core it's super romantic and Tsubame loves romantic stuff.
>I'm going to become a man worthy of your love
She was visibly wet.

>chapter about Kaguya suddenly being ice
>Shirogane tries to find out why
>Shirogane finds out in the end that she's currently on her period

>He's been purely focused getting good enough
We don't really know that yet. We literally JUST started on this path, and he could very easily still interact with her, and get to know her just fine in the process. This is purely assumption territory right now.

>is expressing that he doesn't have the right "requirements" is an expression of inadequacy.
I kinda see it more as him being still unsure on how things stand after what happened. You gotta remember this is before they made up with each other, so he probably thinks "I guess by this point it's fucked". He doesn't have a super high opinion of himself yeah, but the talk seems more like him dodging what happened.

I dunno. It's too early to be assuming they're all just going full retard in this, when we have nothing to base that off. They're closer now despite what happened, so it's not like he has any reason to stop getting to know her. Plus remember, the JB translation made it seem like he's purely aiming on changing himself for her, but he simply stated he'd bem making her fall for him, which can be a whole number of things, not just self improvement.

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Imagine dedicating a volume cover to Ishigami and Iino and not having them going out in the end. What a subversion of expectations!

>I can't stay for long
>it's not just a safe day ok!
>bye!

The whole point of the cover is that, Miko has him working for her and is closer, but he still isn't looking at her romantically, why do you think he's looking in another direction.

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I wish he would subvert, at this point IshixTsubame takes actual balls because japan is really touchy with purity and past boyfriends.

Tsubame is still a virgin so it's okay.

That's not what he said. He said he was going to try hard to get her to fall for him, not "become worthy of your love". And a phrase that sounds romantic may not turn out so well in reality.
Yeah, but this conversation with Prez frames things as Ishigami taking the indirect route to avoid bothering Tsubame. We need to see the implementation, as he's clearly not aping Prez's style 100%, but this chapter doesn't suggest anything too good.

>And a phrase that sounds romantic may not turn out so well in reality.
But it worked though, extremely well. And
>I'm going to make you fall for me
implies
>I'm going to work my ass off so you see me in a better light
That's why she got went all
>poyo

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Why do you think her boyfriend broke up with her and she immediately went for the sex with Ishigami? She didn't put out the first time.

>But it worked though, extremely well. And
The phrase worked well. The reality of what Ishigami tries may not.

The whole argument was
>when that doesn't seem to be what she responds to.
You know, stop moving goalposts. As a matter of fact, she responded extremely well to Ishigami's will of self improvement for her sake.

Not moving goalposts, more clarifying. Tsubame's issue is fundamentally unrelated to Ishigami's qualifications. Being impressed at someone putting in effort for you is still to be expected. There is some progress down this path, but it might not all be directed optimally.

Look how she lay on ishi. She definitely has experience in it.

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Not him but bruh just stop, this is pure headcanon and you are treating it like a fact.

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He was afraid of being direct, because he didn't know how she'd react if they met again. He knows now that she is perfectly fine, and they talked normally, so your argument while having some logic, makes no sense as things stand. He even made sure to let her know that face to face.

What headcanon? What fact?

I'm pointing out that the writing directly implies that Ishigami is looking for a roundabout path to success to avoid 'harassing' Tsubame. I am inferring that this attitude could result in a suboptimal outcome, where Ishigami succeeds at looking cool and attractive as he's already been doing by accident but fails where it actually matters.

>Tsubame Koyasu (子安こやす つばめ, Koyasu Tsubame) is a supporting character in the series.

>Miko Iino (伊井野 ミコいいの みこ, Iino Miko) is one of the main characters in the series.

kaguyasama-wa-kokurasetai.fandom.com/wiki/Miko_Iino

kaguyasama-wa-kokurasetai.fandom.com/wiki/Tsubame_Koyasu

>What headcanon? What fact?

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her boyfriend broke up with her because she refused to do anal, user

It makes perfect sense where things stand. It depends if his discussion is related purely to the particular circumstances of the moment or his general thoughts. Ishigami's lack of confidence is pretty deep-seated. Knowing that she's perfectly fine right now doesn't translate to him not thinking she'll dislike him if he gets too pushy.

Right now he's still on the "wants to be confessed to" train, which is indirect bullshit. Maybe he'll be less retarded about it than I'm expecting, but this plot already seeded a major issue right at the beginning that I've yet to see Ishigami consider.

>The loner and the most popular girl in school finding common ground and solace in each other takes balls to write

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I mean, he already confessed to her, she knows he likes her, "I want her to confess to me" feels more like him wanting her to grow feelings for him, and admit to them later on, since repeating himself isn't going to do shit. Plus, he has been improving greatly despite having some self doubts, he's not the same little scaredy cat, so he'll still talk to her for sure.

I don't know, if you want to improve and show off how worthy you are, you still need to talk to the person in question to establish a connection eve then. They kinda have one now, but it can still be polished, and there's plenty of events that can still happen that would allow for it.

>ignoring the truckload of flags that Aka raised for IshiMiko
I'm not sure if he expected that her self insert nature would attract so many shippers too, no other character has so many delusional shippers. The closest thing to this were the anons joking about Hayasaka and Prez when the Hayasaka chapters happened but that can't even be compared, so I'm willing to agree with that user that it would take some balls right now, because from a writing perspective it seemed like Aka was planing to have IshiMiko since she was introduced.

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I can't tell if most people being this invested in Ishigami's relationship status with Miko or Tsubame is a testament to how much he can make us care about the characters, or if people are just looking way too hard into this.

Either way, the butthurt can be astronomical considering he's making Tsubame into a proper character instead of just a plot device.

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I mean, the manga kinda makes that clear enough, but I guess it's not funny shitposting wise to just agree there.

It's both, user.

I'm basing my perspective off what various characters have focused on.

From the start, Ishigami's focus has been on how he's not good enough, but he's already accidentally looking pretty fucking good in Tsubame's eyes. For now, the conversation with Prez feels like it's doubling down on the "improve myself to become worthy angle", which isn't exactly a bad idea. It'll help his chances, no doubt, but it doesn't tackle the main issue.

On the other hand, Tsubame has brought up "getting to know one another better", while Ishigami has hardly considered that at all.
>you still need to talk to the person in question to establish a connection eve then
So long as you're not being a dumbass, it should indeed include establishing a connection and getting to know one another better. I'm just not assuming Ishigami is not going to be a dumbass in some way or another. This is a romcom. Stupidity is to be expected.

>it doesn't tackle the main issue.
It does though. He's improving himself towards a goal, and in trying to reach that goal, he'll improve himself as a person overall. Even if he fails in the end, he still has all the experience he gained from the attempt, and can grow from it, if he wins, he gains even more confidence in himself as a person, and improves even more greatly. Self doubt isn't gonna fix itself if he wasn't doing this, if he gave up it would have been worse.

Also I wouldn't fear too much in the interaction department. Aka establishes a character connection and keeps improving on it as it goes along. He'll talk to her and probably get some comedic moments later down the line as well, while Miko is there getting jealous and not understanding why.

It's both, add shitposters + delusional shippers + Iino attracting waifu fags + self inserters of both Ishigami and Iino and you get this shit. I'm not sure if I should hate Aka for doing this or if he is a genius for making this shitstorm of a combination.

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LEAVE ISHIGAMI TO ME!!!

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Eatsiku no!

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He's trying to follow the Shirogane/Kaguya approach, which won't work for Tsubame. Only worked for Kaguya because she's far from a normal girl, while Tsubame is your average popular girl.
Imagine that his grades improve and he becomes more sociable and stuff. Was that really the issue for Tsubame? If he suddenly becomes top of his class and confesses again, saying he became smarter and more athletic for her, would that manage to make her fall for him?
Ishigami and Tsubame have different ideas regarding what being worthy is. From his perspective, he just thinks that if he improves his stats it will be enough, while she believes that the problem is her, not him. She's afraid of what comes after a confession, and no amount of studying or training will change that. Tsubame is not Kaguya. Hell, he has a better chance of improving Miko's opinion of him that way rather than Tsubame's.

This dude is right. Manga should have just ended after confession.

Can Prez beat Iceguya in a fight if things get serious?

Alright. "It doesn't tackle the main issue in seducing Tsubame.". There. I'm not sure why you think I'm saying he should give up. I'm saying he might take the wrong approach.
>Also I wouldn't fear too much in the interaction department. Aka establishes a character connection and keeps improving on it as it goes along. He'll talk to her and probably get some comedic moments later down the line as well, while Miko is there getting jealous and not understanding why.
I have no doubt they'll talk. My concern is over the content and length of their talks. If Ishigami's strategy doesn't prioritize a lot of talking to Tsubame, and he has Miko dragging him around like a bitch, he might not make much time for it.

Depends if the moon is visible or not.

What happens if it's visible?

What can Ishigami do then and what will Aka end up doing?

>Hell, he has a better chance of improving Miko's opinion of him that way rather than Tsubame's.
Considering the stair scene, and the pictures of the bonfire, I'm actually expecting "accidentally seducing Miko" to be one of the recurring gags.

It's not even shitposty right now, but can we move away from the Ishigami love life talk? It's the same shit every single time.

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>another tsubame thread
No again please, post prez x kaguya or the stuco.

>stuco chapters
Good times.

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Miko a shit.

I miss Kei. Kinda want Moeha to stir shit as well.

We'll probably see her again if Kaguya does visit the Shirogane household to introduce herself as his girlfriend.

Onoderabros WW@?

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>Kei finds out Kaguya is dating Shirogane
>She tells that to Moeha one day while they're hanging out
What happens? Or do you think they'd tell them to not tell anyone else for now?

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>brings up "I need to know him better"
>tries to fuck him 3 days later without going on a date or anything like that
sasuga

Post Rei butt then and only then will I join your cause.

>Either way, the butthurt can be astronomical considering he's making Tsubame into a proper character instead of just a plot device.
This is what Mikofags NEVER expected to happen.

Yes, Tsubame is retarded.
In theory, he should be focusing on getting to know her better so that he can better understand her feelings and move on from there.

She doesn't want to try anything serious because of her experience with dating, since in her mind, they could start, and then he changes his mind and cheats on her. The sex was either her wanting to put out under some misconception that he'd be happy leaving things off after that, or her not putting out while dating got her cheated on in the first place and she went full stupid.

He'll make it fail to show how Shirogane's philosophy isn't universal and that communication is the most important part of a relationship.

He can do both though. He already compromised to improve himself way before this anyway, the only difference being that now he wants her to also confess to him once she's sure she likes him too.

Ice is a treasure

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>The counter argument is all people assuming there will no communication despite him being able to talk to her just fine all this time, and even had an easy make up talk

I don't get this logic. He's been trying to improve himself since way before he gave her the heart cookie, and that never stopped him from engaging in conversation and talking to her.

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Yes, so far their conversations have been totally productive and given them both a better understanding of each other.

>He can do both though.
He could. He could also go full retard.
The sort of conversations they had were full of misunderstandings. Poor communication between them is an issue that needs to be addressed.

There's not really much room for misunderstandings now though, and that was AFTER the heart cookie, they were on good terms even before that, so obviously it wasn't just "oh i'm talking to you about this thing, but you're actually talking about me confessing to you", especially after he confessed to her again.

I doubt it. He’s bigger and slightly stronger, but she’s probably much better trained in self defense.

>they were on good terms even before that
Good terms, but he didn't know jack shit about her or even her Tsubamese. She also tried to fuck him, and he didn't realize it until pretty late. While she's finally clarified that she's not looking to date right now, she lied about the reasons. And the cookie thing was never cleared up.

It may just be my reading, but it looks to me like Aka is seeding poor communication as a major factor here. We'll see how that goes, I guess.

Then fucking reject him. She's not an emotionally stunted autist. She should have known that it was a terrible way to answer a heartfelt confession.
That she thought he would be happy with fucking her only shows she never took him seriously.

>Secondary heroine
why does Aka make it so obvious?

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She understood once he confessed again, and realized he way more serious than she thought, which is why she started making excuses, and because she still fears starting a relationship now.

That's not what it says. To be literal, it's more "Other-Side Heroine", which fits with Ishigami being the "Other-Side Protagonist".

>Tsubamese
>poor communication
I really, REALLY hope Aka doesn't use that quirk as a convenient way to cuck Tsubame out of confessions/romantic scenarios on demand. It already sort of happened in 156, and gave me some serious bad romcom MISUNDERSTANDING vibes. Not looking forward to more of those.

Did you read the manga user? Prez only becomes chad when the moon is visible.

I think the Tsubamese is more a humorous caricature of communication issues. They were both misunderstanding the other's words long before Tsubamese was a thing.

1. that arc isnt over yet
2. not shit, youre just insecure

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>Ishigami-kun. I'm happy you feel that way, but right now I don't feel ready to be on a relationship.
And fucking done. I don't see why she felt the need to protect his feelings, but the sex offer was such a bad idea even the virgins in Yea Forums can tell.
It were barely 3 days since she said she would use the time he gave her to properly look at him. Then on Christmas Eve instead of doing what she said she would, she lies about the time, reassures herself that Ishigami was confessing, then fucking offers sex. That makes no fucking sense if she's not interested, since she pretty much led him on, and makes even less sense if she is interested, since she legit expected him not to keep pursuing her after he fucked her.
No trauma can lead to those mental gymnastics. Tsubame, as far as we know, is a normal girl. Cheating, regardless of how bad it was, doesn't turn a person into whatever she is right now.

Miko a cute CUTE

Yeah, but she was scared she'd hurt his feelings if she rejected him, because she's a fucking moron.

I think IshiMiko sucks.

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>Stargazing Prez vs Osaragi
Alright anons, what do you think?

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The way I see it, she was scared she'd hurt Ishigami's feelings and if she just rejected him, so decided to get to know him better after seeing him smack Miko and hearing Kaguya speak up for him.

At the party, it seems like she got paranoid over Miko, probably got the impression that if she went out with Ishigami that's who he'd cheat on her with, and decided to end it prematurely with a bang because she was jealous and drunk or something.

This sounds fucking retarded to me too.

what did she mean by this?

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what's her endgame?

It is obvious

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>Like that Tsubame is a character now and Miko is finally getting development.
>Fucking hate all discussion around this plot that never seems to end

It's a confusing feeling to like what's going on, love triangle aside, and also despise it's existence.

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this was pre tsubame
she's against ishimiko in the post tsubame era

That's when she realized getting them together was a terrible idea. Now it's too late/too soon.

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but that has nothing to do with Tsubame.

You can like the development, but hate the fans who never ceases to shut the fuck about it.

Before Tsubame, Ishigami had no love interest so she thought Miko wouldn't get hurt by liking him
After Tsubame, Ishigami actually has someone he likes and she's against Miko liking him because it'll hurt her

Will this dumb opinion ever go away?

>my subjective opinion is reality because I'm myopic

She's either underestimating Miko or overestimating Tsubame. She also lacks all the information about the relationship. In Osaragi's eyes, Miko doesn't have the guts to go after someone who is taken.

Please stop responding to shitposts I'm begging you.

I know, honestly just baffled such a small part of this chapter managed to cause this. Can't help but dread every time it comes up since that's usually enough to ruin the threads for a week.

Look, I'm just arguing in favor of this all devolving into a complete mess of absolute retardation from every party involved. Tsubame's actions at the Christmas Party were an obscene disaster and leaves me eager to witness whatever other bright ideas she might have in the future. Miko's set up as a tangled ball of frustrated and contradictory emotions that's probably going to build up quietly until she finally goes nuclear. Ishigami's set up with just the right dose of obliviousness to get the ball rolling on this horrorshow, and I hope he absolutely fumbles it something truly awful.

Kaguyafags are romcomfags at the core. Give them a reason to wage a waifu war and the'll go all out.
We've leapt at such chances from way earlier than this. In the mixer chapter, there was no shortage of posts calling Kaguya a bitch and claiming Shirogane should switch to Hayasaka instead. But unlike other romcoms like 5tounbun or Bokuben, it's harder to vent, since the scenarios are fewer, or were, until Tsubame was introduced.
What you see now is the result of months of repressed waifufags itching to go at it. It's not Kaguya but Yea Forums.

I mean, from the point of a broken teen who's boyfriend probably ingrained a twisted set of morals within her, it makes sense.

Dude. The only way it makes sense that she decided to skip to fucking straightaway instead of getting to know him, while having no intention to date, is if she was jealous of Miko and wanted to claim his virginity before she got her claws on him.

>mfw the pasta becomes real and Hayasaka has to help with the baseball team

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Isn’t Fujiwara the “Main Heroine”, though? With Prez and Kaguya as the protagonists? It’s a little odd since the official heroine is usually the love interest.

Still it fucking doesn't. Normal people who go through such an experience become mistrustful of the other sex and unwilling to enter a relationship for some time. Even if her ex was cheating on her because she didn't let him fuck her and her trauma stems from there, she would have fucked Ishigami to ensnare him in a relationship he couldn't get away from, not open her legs and say goodbye. That's not the course of action of someone who values her first time.
The only way her actions would make sense is if she were using him to lose her virginity, and she's not like that. That or she's a moron who got convinced by a slut friend of hers that it was the best way to get Ishigami to stop pursuing her without hurting him. Which is retarded, but something a whore would think.

Her being super hot in-story was a funny little twist. Those glasses had us all fooled.

Well she clearly isn't normal. She's an idiot who got too emotional on Christmas Eve or something. Teens are pretty loose, after all.

Fujiwara is just listed as "Heroine of this work", I believe. Japanese doesn't specify a "the".

What killed the toubunfag?

Their chapters being absolutely worse these days, duh

I think Miko is less of a main character than Ishigami is, while Kaguya is literally the title character and Prez was introduced alongside her on equal terms. In that sense, they're both the main character.

Ishigami is the "MC of the other side" of the story. Miko was introduced long after him and doesn't get anywhere near the focus or development that he does. She's not even close to playing an equal role to Ishigami in the Ishigami story, so in a sense she's just "heroine status". A potential love interest in the case of Ishigami.

Won't karma bite Kaguya hard if the pasta becomes real?

Hayasaka karma has just begun
she needs to pay

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remember when this manga was good?

Guys I found a photo of Kaguya after she moves to the states and makes mistakenly shittalks the basketball team there

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I hope not. She would really be a shitty character then, and even as a Mikofag, I won't defend her.

She needs more interaction outside of shitigami.

sex noise tsubamese when

Iceguya arc >>>>>>>>Ishigami love arc

Hayasaka-chan needs to be protected and truly cherished by her husbando, but she shall perhaps go a tad bit crazier than her sister over that love

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When I try to trace her thought process, it just makes her look worse. She starts out trying to figure out a way to reject Ishigami without hurting him, but after seeing him protect Miko and hearing Kaguya defend him she decides to give him a chance. She thinks she's been given a lenient three months to get to know him, which is what she intends to do. She sees Miko fighting with Ishigami, Miko snaps at her for being a predator, and she invites them both to her party. So far, so good. She's been perfectly reasonable.

The party starts out well too. Miko's a bit bitchy and Ishigami is a bit protective and distracted, but it's not like he let that interfere with anything at the party. Onodera defused the situations without him and Miko fell asleep before she could fuck shit up more, so Tsubame maybe lost 10 minutes to her Pina Colada order. The only time Ishigami was seriously distracted by Miko is when he wanted to escort her home, and Tsubame made a few jokes about that.

Then Tsubame lies and engages Operation Pump and Dump for reasons, instead of waiting the three months. Maybe she was drunk. Maybe she was scared Miko might try to steal him, and decided to end things here before that could happen. By fucking him with no explanation. Perhaps to end things gently, but if she was so worried about getting cucked she could have just let that happen.

No Ishigami is mine!!!

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This is not your manga, fuck off

This is the best actress for Kaguya

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Leave Prez to me

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Please understand. Their manga is so boring they need to have some sort of entertainment.

but, why they can shitpost in other threads with impunity?

>There are still people who think Miko isn't going to win

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thiccc

It's bland self-inserting

Behead Miko

We will probably get another Tsubame cover by volume 18 or 19 when shit happened.
It's not like there are many characters left (Osaragi or maybe Rei)

Stopped reading this shit after the schizo kaguya arc, does it get any better?

prez and ishi's friendship is hands down the best relationship in the series

>Japan
Weebs on either side of the pond. Yea Forums is filled to the brim with purityfags.

Biggest problem right now is lino. I always hated her and she is incredibly annoying and boring. Tsubume is just boring and doesn't fit Ishigami at all.
In fact, Ishigami's arc should have been that it's okay not to have a gf in highschool and just give him a real qt in timeskip prologue.

Momo, Moeha, Karen, Erika and Rei.

We're not talking about Ishigami's harem

Aka is saving the Ishigami Tsubame cover for the climax.
Which is actually a huge loserfag for Miko if you ask me.

jabroni & a literal jannetty of the quints

Will he ever do the ib remake?

Since Maki is converting to Islam will she finally suicide bomb the school?

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He already stated in an interview he's not into the idea anymore, as he's gotten older, and he doesn't have the feel for depressing/edgy like stuff anymore, or at least on the level of ib.

Whats ib?

It's so weird the way he looks like he stenciled in a photograph and put it right next to a very stylized anime girl

How hard is it to draw a brown anime boy then put a dot on his forehead?

Gotoubun, Aka's first published manga.

>Aka wrote generic boring haremshit before Kaguya
He's really come a long way

>Ugh this is the part that bothers me the most, every time she appears it is almost guaranteed that it's gonna be about FOOD
ftfy

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Is this why her boobs are so big

The entire chapter was just traced pics from his trip to India.

How much longer can Aka pad this series out for?

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>people actually read manga

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In the 4koma Karen treats Kaguya x Prez as a sort of religious doctrine she has absolute faith in, so seeing them kiss is a confirmation of her faith. And Aka has basically retconned her into the same character as the 4koma even though in the manga she was shown lusting after the Prez herself.

Is she using JoJo brackets here?

Man... why are Kaguya threads so dead and slow?

p.s. leave Ishigami to Miku.

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This is your haysack for tonight.

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Hayasaka would dress like that wouldn't she?
Can't find a boyfriend the normal way *sigh*

Do people actually hate Kashiwagi? I mean, it's fun to call her a slut, but she is a genuinely interesting character and chapters with her are always great.

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She's too easy and only exists to torment Maki

Maki got a characterization long after Kashiwagi appeared.

Yea Forumsnons just can't accept the fact that she had sex at a young age when it's supposed to be normal

Because Kaguya isn't nearly as successful as Toubun, let us die we don't deserve you

Maki was seen stalking them both as soon as they became a couple

If you watch it back Maki was always there
You just didn't notice

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He actually says he if he were to do it it would need to be within a couple of years because as he gets older he gets more disconnected from the feeling needed to make it.

So really it's only happening if he doesn't make Kaguya overly long.

>Box office ¥460 million[1]
Seems like the live action film did pretty well
Isn't that good for a domestic film only released in Japan?

Progress was a mistake.

Still she wasn't even a character back then, just sort of running gag.

Yes, it was a massive success.
toubun absolutely destroyed.

What are these?

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Some unkempt nails.

Kaguya-sama pins

What do they say though?

please save her

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Right one says "oh how cute", middle one says "so cuuuute" and the left one is just kokurasetai (wants to be confessed to) from the title.

Poor Maki
She's undeniably better than Kashiwagi, both in looks and status
I don't know why he chose Kashi instead

Thank you
I really hope the movie gets subbed
Is that normal?
Normally I hate live actual stuff, but Kaguya is my favorite manga so I want to consume every part of the franchise I can

She's a shitty tsundere who played hard to win with a guy who wasn't into her.
You can only get away with that if the guy is interested (Kaguya and prez).

Kashi's a pretty great wingman and friend to Kaguya

I keep forgetting Karen isnt blonde

Damn. What a cute chapter.

Shy love is just harassment Ishigami wants to change that's why he confessed.
If miko (shitko) wants him she needs to be vocal about it otherwise she's on incel level of creepiness

That's like $4.50 in real people money.

>chapter 162 is fucking nothing
Why is the author bother doing chapters like this crap?!

What were those one-shots from the last thread from?

Mikado is the man for that task
believe in him

Miko like a true cunt will propose to Ishigami, that upfront love is what the craves so he will accept and make an enemy out of blonde retard cheerleader

Why are you guys such shitposters?
We just post in your thread to say hi.
We don't snipe your threads as OP.
Rude.

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remember to not reply to shitposters like >193283525
hide post and move on.

>Tsubame finally gets the courage to ask Ishigami back
>He's already committed with Miko
Anyway this goes the drama will be great.

Can't we just report it?

60 chapters tops. I don't see this continuing once they go to college, if they really do go to Stanford.

There are nine more of story left.
We've covered 7 months in 160.

It's just rare to see romantic comedies continue past 200 chapters.

Though outside of Kingdom, the magazine where Kaguya is published doesn't have much else, so it might continue past 300 chapters.

It has kingdom, kaguya and kamui for big sellers.

>We've covered 7 months in 160.
And the last quarter of that covered a week. Even if you count the 1-2 weeks it skipped over afterwards, time's still advancing much slower as the manga progresses, and that's been the case since long before the culture festival started.

>tfw Kaguya will produce at the very least two hall of anal devastations
>Tsubame vs Lino
>Mikado vs Shirogane
and then the possible
>Kashiwagi vs/

The only possible hall Kaguya can have is if Miko loses.
Tsubame losing would be so incredibly predictable no one would get mad and the other two are retarded.

>Tsubame vs Lino
doubtful but not impossible
>Mikado vs Shirogane
that's an old meme

>Tsubame vs Lino
You know I can totally see Aka letting Tsubame win this in order for Iino to grow AND THEN subvert everyone by shifting Iino to Mikado and she goes against Shiranui, the goddess/angel/swan of the freshmen

Shiranui is for Abe.

>Iino and Mikado
Why not Iino-Abe-Shiranui?

Oh shit yeah I keep on forgetting Abe.

The only way I can even see something happening between Maki and Tsubasa is
>Kashiwagi tells him she's pregnant
>he gets scared shitless
>distances himself from her because he really doesn't want to be a dad yet
>relies on Maki
>she makes it evident she likes him
>decides it'd be a lot easier to just get together
>she bitchslaps him and tells her to go back with Kashiwagi

>kiss
Hayasaka is confirmed yuri with Fujiwara?

Nah
Both are completely straight, Hayasaka is just desperate

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reminder: Anyone who doesn't like the way the Manga is going is an incel.
they hate the actual progress in the manga's relationships because they have NEVER had a relationship before.
they can't self-incert/relate to the characters anymore because they haven't even held a girls hand before.
unironically, have sex and you will start enjoying Kaguya-sama again

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Very nice.

Holy shit what a slut.

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This isn't real
This can't be real
This is copypasta tier

the first few kisses in a relationship are like drugs man.
you can't get enough.
the ICE is officially broken.

slutguya

When I was in highschool the girl I had a crush on hugged me.
I literally broke out in a rash from excitement

>next chapters are just Kaguya finding ways to kiss prez at the stuco without anyone noticing
>victory and loss are decided by this alone

>like are we gpoing to start taking turns kissing each other?
KAGUYAAAAAAA

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She describes it like one of those corny exchange diaries where they take turns writing it.
She's a huge, huge idiot.

What did Tsubame wish for?

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To fall in love obviously.

She wants to suck over 100 cocks in university

She had to have a pretty heavy conversation with ishi after the holidays.

I want the anime to come back, bros.

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Unlikely

y

A1 used too much money and even with seemingly high bd sales, it's not enough

The very first line of spoken dialogue in the series is Karen commenting that Kaguya X Prez are the ideal couple. Although in the 4koma she does briefly suggest the possibility of herself being Miyuki's side chick.

It sold way worse than Toubun, I heard a rumour that some animators defected to Toubun season 2 production team.

Not that worse but definitely lower and it's frustrating how an anime full of QUALITY got more sales than kaguya with good animations. Not to mention, haremshit.
This shit reminds me how bad nips' tastes are.

>he gets scared shitless
I don't think this would happen.

Wasn't that because 5toubun cast some popular VAs, though? Makes sense that it sold more, then, considering only hardcore fans buy those overpriced BDs in Japan.

I just hope this is true. I don't think i can stand that nips just simply preferred harem. Well, not that Kaguya was that good in the early chapters

I haven't seen any pics of Hayasaka in live action in here wtf

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looks like sealab 2021

Unfortunately, Kaguya's audience does not buy anime. Only otaku do that.
But at least the LA was a great hit.

Bruh look at dis dood oh no no no no

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>oh no no no no

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She bought one of those shady power stones they are making fun of from Prez' dad a few chapters ago.

Why would he? It's not like teen pregnancy has stopped his dad, or grandpa, or great grandpa. His family has to support him if he knocks Kashiwagi up because they have no moral grounds to call him out.
They'd berate him if he tried to run away though.

>Tsubasa comes home
>'Dad, my gf thinks she's pregnant'
>dad just silently slides 10k yen note to grandpa

>great grandad does the same
>it's all my fault isn't it? That curry should have killed me

That doesn't have anything to do with inadequacy, literally all he's done is identify what being a creep is, and basically asked how to breach the friendzone. If you think NOT being a fucking weirdo who acts all saccharine with someone he's not in a relationship is normal, than maybe you actually should start feeling a little more inadequate, because you are missing a pretty basic social norm.

>no man was man enough to stand up and kiss this cutie

We lost her to /u/, bros.....

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I want to hear papagane again.

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What kind of people read this manga?

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Is that the Papagane

He's talking about it in terms of "qualifications". Presumably he believes he lacks them, and so believes he will come across as a creep if he tries anything direct.
>If you think NOT being a fucking weirdo who acts all saccharine with someone he's not in a relationship is normal
Did I say that? But Ishigami's success has been 100% from accidentally "acting all saccharine" so far. Every time he opens his fucking mouth he says something that comes across as way too fucking strong, but that's what's been working our for him.

She's adorable, but she's 100% not a virgin.

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What a submissive whore
I can't believe Hayasaka is a rapist

That's pretty hot

It's not a retcon. She ships them but if Shirogane wanted a mistress, she'd totally jump at the chance.
In the end Karen is a poor delusional girl who deep down wants to date Shirogane but knows she can't, so she self inserts as Kaguya.

Memes aside we don't really know that. She said the whole thing was a first for her when she refused Ishigami, so it came across as an act of desperation, or she imagined it'd be ok if it was to make him happy or something? Possibly also in part thanks to being cheated.

I don't know, whatever the case, the impression i'm getting is that she went full retard exactly because she is a virgin who got cheated on for not having sex with her BF at the time, but I guess it doesn't really matter.

we going down the yuri road boys?

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what chapter was this

She doesn't want Miko to be happy because she herself can't get into a happy relationship since she's toxic and goes through boyfriends like socks.

really user?

Or maybe she's not just stupid enough to believe that realizing you have feelings for someone who is making so much effort for another girl to get her affection, is anything but drama route.

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Hayasaka only jumped at it because she made the kissy face, otherwise she'd have kept her cool as usual

Yes, user. Really.

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That's not a kissy face. That's a "wow, that's embarrassing, why did I tell her that?" face.

Literally the newest chapter. It was uploaded to mangadex using the scan spoilers.

Thanks, I thought the latest was in jamboree's box.

They gotta wait for digital raws before they work on their version first. Those arrive tomorrow.

>Much effort.
The most effort he has put in was studying, and it was more for Kaguya than for Tsubame.

You know what I mean. He's devoting himself to the idea, and is making an effort. Obviously it's not Kaguya and Prez tier, but it's so goddamn obvious everyone in the stuco knows already without him telling.

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>haystack wants to kiss so bad she doesn't mind who it's with

Wow, doesn't that make her a whore?

Because he confessed. Without knowing that he did. Talking about how much you like that girl doesn't equal actual effort or else /r9k/ wouldn't exist.

If he did any more than currently he'd be coming across too strongly, so it feels alright in terms of effort.

Will Aka subvert everyone's expectations and have Ishigami and Senpai dating?
Can he pull it off?

Yes, and then he'll subvert our expectations by having president be NTRd by Kaguya's fiance. Based retard.

Cope.

Chill out Miko. Go eat your food.

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better question;
Will Aka dare to draw those 4 pages of se....x?

The thing is it's not even a love triangle at this point.
It's literally Ishigami and Tsubame being in love with each other while Miko's just an annoying third wheel.

>Tsubame being in love
Heh

when will she get doujins

But they've only gotten better? Stop with this needless coping user.

>tsubame loving ishigami

imagine being stupid enough to ACTUALLY believe this.

But isn't it considered a love triangle even if the target of affection isn't interested in one of them? Miko is realizing her feelings still, so after she does I think it counts.
Tsubame isn't really in love just yet, but is giving heavy consideration.

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I'm glad Hayasaka has found her love.

Can't you Miko shippers hold a argument without trying to downplay Ishigami's effort?

I want to hear DIO say "Sugar Daddy"

He got as far as he did by accidentally coming across too strongly.
That's a thought that slipped my mind. Ishigami still has mostly just stumbled through this on sheer luck. So far he's just studied up a bit, tried to look cool at the festival committee, researched slang, made an accidental confession, made an actual confession when Tsubame was already about to fuck, and said he'd work hard to get her to like him.

And those last two? Tsubame approached him both times, and it's easier to respond to someone approaching you than to go to someone you're not sure would be receptive.

Never, they've been saying the same shit over and over about the chapter since it came out.
Who cares if he wants to become more social, better at studying, improve his looks and actually get to know her and her world, to the point he even went and confessed, right?

There's no downplaying. Ishigami genuinely hasn't actually done all that much yet.

>Who cares if he wants to become more social, better at studying, improve his looks and actually get to know her and her world, to the point he even went and confessed, right?
Hrm? He wants to do all those things, sure. He's wanted to do a few of them even before Tsubame. But are you really impressed with a confession delivered to someone trying to fuck him? At that point, thinking Tsubame was into him was only natural. Especially since Ishigami was unaware of any prior confession on his part.

soon

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Dunno maybe they think this will somehow justify Ishigami not ending up with her because he "doesn't deserved" it.
That is why they keep clinging on this point.

I'd argur that Tsubame isn't that much interested on him but rather attached to the idea that someone can earnestly like her without pretenses.
There's no denying that Ishigami has been really lucky regarding her. He was able to confess again in a way more favorable scenario, thus rendering the initial misunderstanding completely null.

Kaguya really convinced me that I need to send all my kids to the most expensive schools I can find.
If one of my offspring can meet a Kaguya or Prez then they'll be set for life, hell, even an Ishi or Maki would work

>He's wanted to do a few of them even before Tsubame
Yet he did none of them and actively rejected some.
>But are you really impressed with a confession delivered to someone trying to fuck him?
Considering he's a 15 year old boy and they could have fucked had he shut up? Sure.
Doubly so in the manga where confessions are extremely important and take forever to happen. Him skipping over the unconscious confession drama and clearly expressing his feelings towards her before moving forward is comendable.

Tick-tock Mikofriends.
Remember that POYO is a merciless God.

How does Miko “work” for Ishigami’s affection? Isn’t that just being nice to him?

In terms of actual things done for each Ishigami, Miko has still by far done more than Tsubame.

I hope you are not scared enough to be in those threads when we'll laugh at you.

Why can't Ishigami simply date both Miko and Tsubame?

I honestly think Ishigami is actually winning her over by being himself.
She's extremely receptive towards earnest love, displays of affection and really corny romantic scenes and Ishi is all about that.
The
>I'll make you fall for me
started to win her over properly.

>isn't that much interested on him but rather attached to the idea that someone can earnestly like her without pretenses.
Oh please, that literally means the interest is direct towards him, don't try to downplay everything by slightly nudging towards a "but it's not really full attention". My point is, she knows he's a decent person, but isn't sure of her own feelings on the matter and is scared to compromise but is trying to learn to overcome that aspect, and can learn to like him as well. This isn't some cheap drama series where everyone acts like they know life better than the MC and are moral pariahs despite their age, romance is usually born from fairly simple things, the problem is maintaining it, and being open in a relationship about what you feel, which for some reason lots of people fail to do.
They aren't there yet, so it's not like there's much to do outside of trying to show her he is someone she can learn to love.

>Considering he's a 15 year old boy and they could have fucked had he shut up? Sure.
Ishigami isn't fucking psychic, and he's also a dumbass romantic. He had no way of knowing that Tsubame's obvious signs of sexual interest weren't part of some twisted attempt to pump and dump him, and confessing at that stage is no more bold than just fucking her.

They'd have to stop being batman like with one another on the "i don't need people praising me for my good actions" for that to go anywhere.

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i actually would be okay with leaving them without proper conclusion but with both girls still at it, making Maki realize she should also not give up, an as she confronts Kashiwagi and Tsubasa, they smile at her and give everyone the news about her pregnancy

>and confessing at that stage is no more bold than just fucking her
In this series, it actually is. In kaguya-sama, confessing is the biggest hurdle to start a relationship, everything else is easy.
He could have fuck her and maybe confess during sex, but he decided to cut the bullshit and start a relationship properly before doing anything.
Really few people his age, in that situation, would do that.

I'll believe it when I see it. But so far, Ishigami's efforts haven't been properly aimed. Tsubame is getting interested in the base Ishigami. Caring, kind, earnest and many other synonyms with "nice guy". Not in whatever the hell he's trying to do.
Name one actual effort he has made for her that actually made her improve her opinion of him.

As a matter of fact, she liked that he actually tried hard to fit in the party.

They really are perfect for each other, huh?

Like the user above said, she noticed his efforts to try and give her a good impression, and fit. She liked that.
She also more than likely enjoyed his contribution to ideas on the planning stages of the festival, where he gave off much better alternatives than the other guys were giving. She also got pretty happy to being called to hang out, even if it wasn't romantic like.

As generic as it is, popular, bright and bubbly girl and shy nerd make traditionally good romantic stories in the west because of the finding a common ground and depth you didn't know the other had and stuff.

>thus rendering the initial misunderstanding completely null
How so? I'd think the misunderstandings were compounded. Ishigami's initial 'confession' left Tsubame with an impression of him as much bolder than he actually was. Confessing in a more favorable scenario, that Tsubame arranged, would be easier from Ishigami's perspective and doesn't erase the first impression from the non-confession.

Tsubame was still the one to approach Ishigami to apologize, which saved him from having to work up the nerve to talk to her. He handled it well, and it furthers the impression of him as incredibly bold and confident, but all those opportunities to respond well to Tsubame's advances stem from the one time he accidentally made a move on her.

>and it furthers the impression of him as incredibly bold and confident
You actually think Tsubame considers him bold and confident? He's spent time with him, she knows he gets nervous around her and doesn't like talking with people much.
She's also extremely aware of the three year age gap. She knows he's a young boy with zero experience in romance, it shows in their interactions and that's why the gap when he tries to be romantic works so much with her.

Again with this?

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Is it me or does Iino have Shrek ears here.

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She likes him showing affection for her. So yeah, trying to dress up to impress her went some way. However, I don't even think she's aware of Ishigami's grades or the quality of what his efforts achieve. Ishigami was noted as having gone a little to far trying to fit in and look fancy.

I don't think she cares how stylish he is, but it's cute that he's trying.
>You actually think Tsubame considers him bold and confident?
Moreso than he actually is, yes. Still transparently awkward, of course, but that's not entirely contradictory.

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Calling this now,
Miko is going to put off some really underhanded moves to keep Ishigami away from Tsubame,
which will come and bite her in the ass later.

Also I don't think Tsubame know the cause of Miko's injuries.
I can see this become a potential source of drama when she learnt that she indirectly caused it,
then become too guilt-ridden to do anything with Ishigami.

You are overthinking it.
Tsubame HAS to be the one who approach Ishigami to apologise otherwise the readers would think that she isn't being sincere.

Although Ishigami will probably approach her sooner either way.

The second part sounds like it coma from a Seo manga, or any other pile of garbage cheap drama ones, so I highly doubt it.

Has she ever done something that would even imply she'd lower herself to betray her own moral code?

Isn't it implied she checks out the lewd mags she confiscates under the pretense of research? Not all of it, but she gets curious, and she has always been a closet pervert.
Pile that on with her having feelings she doesn't even understand, and I can see her having a jealousy fit and doing stupid shit to try and keep Ishigami close without realizing why. Nothing super insane, unless she feels she's gonna lose him if she doesn't go overboard.

Sure, but it dampens any display of courage on Ishigami's part. We'll see how things go in the future, but I can simplify the discussion this way.

Some people think Ishigami has been and will continue to make mostly right choices. Some people think Ishigami will be making subtly wrong choices due to inexperience, his own complexes, and misreading situations.

Adding to my simplified outline, if Ishigami mostly makes right decisions that Tsubame responds to the right way, the method people fall back on to add drama and tension is to make Miko into some kind of Otome Villainess.

I can see her being delusional enough to go full otome villainess while pretending to be the heroine.

Why do people think this is gonna be an Ishigami arc? He already got his arc. It’s going to be an Iino arc.

Because an Iino arc that again focuses on how she can only exist around and get chapters about Ishigami is boring as shit.

It's gonna be a Tsubame arc.

Well yes, I'm actually expecting something like that to happen. I'm just not expecting that to be the entirety of the three months of melodrama and don't see how this subplot could be stretched out unless Ishigami makes some major mistakes in his approach. Even allowing Miko to pull off some Otome Villainess bullshit would likely be indicative of some judgement error on his part.

Or to sum it up, I don't expect this arc to be "Miko Iino Ruins Everything".

If Ishigami ends up with Miko I'm going to eat my own shit

Why does everyone expect Miko to do bad things? She could offscreen understand her feelings and just start being cute and caring about Ishigami.

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Can we talk about more pressing matters, like if Kashiwagi is pregnant with twins or not, and how her children are going to adore aunty Maki leading her into further depression.

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I hate it when everyone acts like a retard but suddenly they can have sex

>generally an annoying cunt
>doesn't understand her own feelings
>but Ishi won't pay her attention and Tsubame is taking him away
Yeah, it's not a recipe for disaster.

Because Miko is the type to go too hard on things, even if she doesn't fully understand them, she's not the type to just sit down and be nice, especially on feelings she doesn't even understand yet, and she's gonna go into denial about if since it's Ishigami.
The entire setup feels like it's leading to her doing something stupid.

She should play the long game, it'd only take her 18 years to get impregnated by the newest Tanuma stud.

>Maki gives Kashiwagi a statue of Parvati, a fertility goddess.
Deepest lore.

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Kashiwagi and Tsubasa are the closest thing to a normalfag we have though.

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If aka doesn't deliver on the teen pregnancy by this point, i'm gonna be disappointed.

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The best girl in Kaguya is the hot glasses girl who fucks a lot. I can't remember her name.

Stacy

She is essentially one of the most Stacy characters in this manga, yeah.

Imagine being a mommy in high school

How the hell can you tell? It looks like a regular humanoid figure.

I love all forms of Kaguya, but I must say that Iceguya holds a special place among all of them. So, Iceguya having melted is the new peak for me.

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Wasn't there a previous chapter where she kisses her or some shit?

shes gonna cheat on him, Im calling it

She comes back on her periods though.

That was a reference to this chapter, which is a flashback. Sort of. The chronology of the New Game arc is very non-linear.

No, that was the 152 which is the flashback setup, but she was stated to have attempted to, so she failed to actually land a kiss.

I like her. She's not a slut, since she's consistently been faithful to her boyfriend, and she's been shown to be a genuinely good friend most of the time with kaguya and maki.

Yeah, Iceguya is never going away completely. Kaguya usually acts closer to Iceguya when she interacts with Ishigami one-on-one.

Why do most shitposters in here look like 5toubunfags who feel threatened because Kaguya is a better manga?

I mean, she can still be icy and come out when the circumstance calls for it, but a lot less when dealing with Prez.

It's just a shitposter falseflagging as 5toubunfag. While in reality, he actually is a 5toubunfag.

5toubun is ending and they're no closer to figuring out who the bride is or who kissed him. Everyone is kinda on edge because if their quint loses, they'll have no choice but to call the whole manga shit, like what happened to TWGOK. And that means 5/7ths of the fandom.
They're planning to evacuate before it turns into a shitstorm, and sadly we're their target.

toubun is sinking and they like rats swim to our thread.

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>like what happened to TWGOK.
It turned to shit long before the end.

Kaguya threw him like a ragdoll that one chapter after the heart issues, so no prez gets wrecked by muscle queen.

Because to lots of girls sex is easier than an actual relationship. Sex just takes an hour or a night then it's done, a relationship involves a change in everyones relationship with you.

Yes but if you make a survey here, at least 80% of those who hate the manga now will cite the reason "because best girl lost". Very few are actually angry at the awful ending. Because TWGOK, like 5toubun was essentially a waifu war bait manga.

So, it's ending? I heard the comics are selling quite good? not as good as kaguya, but still

I feel like we had the "royally fucked up" part of the arc already and from a writing perspective I'm not sure about that happening again when she seems deep in the introspection phase right now.

I think you answered your own question user.

It is and it's amazing

Scans when?

Yeah, the waifu war amde it impossible to discuss. It's all assholes flinging shit about why every girl but their preference is shit. Hell, we barely have a love triangle in Kaguya and it already stirs up a ton of shit.

I know. It's going to be amazing.
Didn't Aka say the inspiration he took from the first prince in the Bamboo Cutter story was to have Miko be a person who regularly embarrasses herself? At this point, I'm expecting Miko to do something absolutely humiliating for everyone involved, especially herself.

it will be a fierce battle

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Miko will find out Ishigami gave her the bookmark she worships and try and use that to interfere with senpai in front of everyone. Then she'll run away crying.

In the epilogue she is shown to have become an easy cabaret girl who gets lead around by guys.

I don't think she'd go that far, but there is a bit of foreshadowing in the character cards where Ishigami can pull Miko out of the trash to upgrade her Childish Justice to True Justice. But to be pulled out of the trash, it stands to reason that she needs to land herself in it first.

I'm expecting something to happen that absolutely shatters her worldview, faith in hard work, and so on.

Is this kiss devil going to give Shirogane sore lips?

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Ice Kaguya is the cutest.

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>sore lips?
she'll find funnier things to do with him before that happens
remember, 40 seconds

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Who else in "literally anyone but Miko" camp?

What was Aka thinking making her /u/ material?

Isn't being a fake Tsubamefag getting old? Pretending to love a used onahole that has canonically fucked men and is willing to have intercourse with someone she BARELY knows disgusting?

At least Miko is as pure as a summer morning, and she is wicked smart unlike that used goods whose only claim to fame is her body which she lets older men rail on daily.

This is the first time I heard someone suggesting Tsubame's jealousy from Miko.

I guess you weren't in these threads when the chapters were being released? Tsubame asks Ishigami to tell her more about himself, he says he needs to take Miko home, she comments that he's "always thinking about Miko", and then she enacts her scheme.

The way it's set up, it very much looks like she got jealous.

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Even harmless Maki makes her nervous.

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Previous page for context, but this makes it look like bringing up Miko is what caused her to switch from "get to know Ishigami better" to "end things on a bang".

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Further proof that getting involved with Tsubame is just going to end in horrible things for Ishigami.

That too. I'm thinking the stupidest possible plot development is Ishigami succeeding in becoming more impressive, getting popular, and scaring Tsubame even more because more girls like him now.

That doesn't prove anything you fucking virgin.

It's also the fastest way to make Tsubame confess to him.
She has deep seated trust issues and she's not going to stand idly while the guy she may or may not like is approached by sluts.

It could, sure. During her seduction, she focused on reconfirming Ishigami liked her and the signs he did, and everything has made it very clear that she's highly averse and scared about feelings fading and the other losing interest.
In her case, I think rooting the relationship in her phobia would be the worst way to go about it in the long run.

If she's possesive enough for her to lie to bind the guy she doesn't even intend to date, just imagine how she will get if she actually falls for him. Some of the stuff she said in the school festival arc gave heavy yandere vibes from her.
Plus don't you think weird someone would be risking the relationship and be two timing a 10/10 like her? Would she be that dumb to fall for an asshole considering she has the luxury of choosing and her social circle is big enough to screen out potential creeps? Also mind you that according to Onodera, his ex was in her inner circle and after the breakup some people actually took the ex boyfriend's side, which is weird considering the circumstances.
There's something fucked up about Tsubame.

Guys tend to take the guys' side, even if he's cheating
>she was a frigid bitch
and you don't need to say anything else.

Well, wasn't Papagane telling her about how there's no such thing as fated love? My current impression is that she took her first relationship for granted, and it fell apart as a partial result of her negligence.

I don't see how that'd make sense considering her personality.
She's attentive and cares about her peers enough to cry for them if they look sad, like when she saw Ishigami after the race.

According to her, she's never actually been in love.
So one of her popular friends confessed to her, they had dates and stuff but she kept it normal.
Then she wouldn't fuck him and he fucked her best friend.

>Plus don't you think weird someone would be risking the relationship and be two timing a 10/10 like her? Would she be that dumb to fall for an asshole considering she has the luxury of choosing and her social circle is big enough to screen out potential creeps? Also mind you that according to Onodera, his ex was in her inner circle and after the breakup some people actually took the ex boyfriend's side, which is weird considering the circumstances.
This happens more than you think. Some assholes get greedy and arrogant and think they're better at cheating than they are and deserve a little action on the side. And 'bros before hoes' becomes the excuse some friends make for him. That's all before you get into the catty nature some women have, especially if they like the asshole or the girl cheating more than the victim.

I'm assuming that a romantic relationship is a little different than just being friends. The fact that she cares was never in dispute. I'm questioning how much she put into the relationship as a relationship.
>Then she wouldn't fuck him and he fucked her best friend.
Headcanon.
>According to her, she's never actually been in love.
>So one of her popular friends confessed to her, they had dates and stuff but she kept it normal.
Yes, but she also talks in terms of feelings fading a lot. In that case, we could assume her boyfriend started out fine enough. However, you say she was never in love. So if she was just dating this dude without returning his affection on the same level, would that not be what I outlined from the start? Losing interest because Tsubame wasn't really handling her side of things.

>Headcanon.
It's the most possible explanation for her current actions and the fallout that broke her relationship with her best friend.

>So if she was just dating this dude without returning his affection on the same level
Who says they weren't on the same level?
She's said it before, no one has ever confessed to her seriously. If both parts were kinda light about it but still in a relationship (this means not fucking other people), she did literally nothing wrong.

Pretty much. I never liked Miko that much, especially as a part of the main cast.

The problem is not what he did but who he was. Supposedly he was one of the captain's closest friends. You've seen how Tsubame's friends are. A group of harmless dorks without the chad mentality. You don't expect an asshole to come out from there.
Maybe this shit is like Ishigami's case and we're only seeing the accepted version. Who the hell talks about confessions in terms of contracts and tying down? I'd expect that from an autist, not someone outspoken and with experience.

It is not enough for Toubunfags to shit up their own threads. They must also shit up other threads.

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I actually want him to end up with Maki, but that's a pipe dream
but even actual slut Osaragi would be better than Miko

>not someone outspoken and with experience.
She's extremely jaded and whatever happened hurt her deeply, to the point she lost all trust in love and relationships as a whole.

Sure. The thing is that we know next to nothing about the circumstances.
It's the obvious explanation, but that also means that it's the natural misunderstanding to leap to. A simple explanation for something that could be more complicated, even if sex was involved. For whatever reason, the boyfriend was unsatisfied with the relationship and did the dickish thing by failing to break up with Tsubame.

If she's extremely jaded she should act like it instead of lying and offering sex. Is that what soemeone who doesn't want anything to do with romance does? Even if she had grown to care for Ishigami, the best thing she could have done would have been friendzoning him if she really didn't want to go steady with him. Why offer him a pity fuck? A jaded woman usually acts like a manhater, not a slut.

Ishigami is the sole person in her three years of high school who confessed to her because he actually likes her. To make a nice memory.
So, even if she didn't like him that way, she rewarded him with sex, because that's all boys want.

Maki or Subject F are my two favorites for Ishigami. Won't happen but it's nice to dream.

Would you call getting dumped after a pity fuck a nice memory?

Why is she so hung up on the idea of confessions as a contract, then? As a way of binding people? Why is she focused on feelings fading?

Who was the one who felt trapped in the relationship by a contract, even after their feelings faded?

If he hadn't sperged out, she would have given him her first time.
So, even if they couldn't have had a relationship because [insert easy excuse here], they'd always remember it fondly.

But Ishigami doesn't want just a fond memory.

She didn't know that.

The problem is that it still doesn't make sense at all. A jaded person doesn't even try to be involved romantically, yet she found fucking him and dumping him easier than just rejecting him.
If she really has misread Ishigami that badly how can she even be attached enough to fuck in the first place? Because he's nice? Does that sound like a good reason to you? Was his confession that special considering it was a fluke in the first place?

>doesn't even try to be involved romantically
Sex is not romance.
>she found fucking him and dumping him easier than just rejecting him.
She wanted to give him SOMETHING that wasn't a simple rejection.
>Was his confession that special considering it was a fluke in the first place?
Reread her conversation with Kaguya instead of being annoying about this?

>Would you call getting dumped after a pity fuck a nice memory?
At least he had sex.

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You are really delusional

My point here being that by the framing of the breakup story, the one who was trapped in the relationship after their feelings faded would have been the boyfriend, unless there's something important missing from the Tsubame side.

Seems like /r9k/ is leaking out again, huh?

I wish Hayasaka would kiss-rape me so bad

>Sex is not romance.
But she's using it to answer romeone's romantic advances.
>She wanted to give him SOMETHING that wasn't a simple rejection.
Why? She has known the guy for less than two months. She has known the guy liked her that way for less than three days.
>Reread her conversation with Kaguya instead of being annoying about this
The part about her not wanting to hurt him? If she thinks he would have settled for a pity fuck, then she has a rather poor impression of males in general, which while it may stem from her breakup still is not consistent with her treatment of Ishigami. That's how someone weak to peer pressure reacts. That or someone who doesn't mind sex to begin with, which makes no sense considering she's supposedly a virgin.

Are you as cute as subject F?

I'm not a cow, so yes

Sometimes the biggest asshole comes from the place you least expect, because some people are really good at hiding their true shitty nature. Or he cheated because a moment of weakness and attraction, and didn't have the guts to confess until he got caught. Both are common reasons for groups like that to fall apart.

I just want this manga to focus solely on the main couple. I dont care for meme characters like Ishigami and Fujiwara.

"Qualification" in this case has precisely jack shit to do with worth, and everything to do with "My advances are desired".

Maybe it's the translation, but you don't seem to understand what he's talking about at all.

Cope with that

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Does no one storytime the chapter anymore?

Isn't that the same thing? He feels his advances aren't desired because he lacks "qualifications".

Iino loves Ishi
Ishi loves Tsubome
Tsubome loves Chad

Damn this pic is pathetic.

At least we have fanart

I'd also like to diss Tsubame's pics. If she had any, that is.

There's one where Ishigami has a wet dream about her and Miko wakes him up and comments on the nice smell.

That's pretty boring though. If you don't develop your other characters then you're left with the two mains and a bunch of stereotypical cut outs. I'd rather have a manga with multiple stories and characters AND have our two main characters and their antics.

Yeah that's all you have.
Out of character fanart.

I can't believe Kaguya is not pure anymore.

>kaguya is a slut
>/u/fags
>toubunfags
>haremfags
>tsubamefags vs mikofags
>mikohaters
>iceguyahaters
Holy shit, worst thread

Wow, Aka really did not enjoy India

The New Game arc implies a new slate, a new dynamic.
It implies that Prez ans Kaguya being rhe focus has ended. Ishigami, Miko, Tsubame, Chika and whatnot from this point forward would get the focus, with Kaguya and Prez getting minimal.

Or it could be a new challenge. This chapter already told us what each character will be doing.

Shirogane will be stressing out over whether he should reveal his relationship, and hiding it until he makes a choice. Shinomiya will be trying to kiss him until his lips fall off. Ishigami wants to make confess. Fujiwara wants to lose weight. Miko is the wild card, because she has no idea what she wants.

Tsubame and Ishigami will replace Kaguya and prez, that's for sure.

Pretty sure that they will keep warring using Ishigami's relationship as proxy, with Kaguya on Tsubame's side and Shirogane on Miko's side.

The new game arc ended in the last chapter, so it doesn't matter anymore

New Game arc was setting up the New Game. The new starting point.

Huh what

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designated and poop pilled.

>tsubame
>replace kaguya

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Tsubamefag please.

Nah. The series was always "Kaguya wants to make confess", and now it's Ishigami who wants to make confess. All he needs now is a new Prez to pursue him.

How many levels of Bakaguya will be released once alcohol has been imbibed?

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I have it on good authority Kaguya is a mean drunk who will beat Prez when she drinks
And he'll like it