Why are other battle shonen criticized when they use POWER OF FRIENDSHIP and TALK NO JUTSU

But when Mob does it is treated as the best thing ever?

>Adult bad guy: I will rule the world!!!
>Schoolboy MC: *preaches about life and friendship*
>Bad guy: Fair. I give up.
>You: What a masterpiece! ONE's a genius! How can others even compete?

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You somehow missed the part when the bad guy lost control of his power and was about to blow up like a nuclear bomb.

It's called 'hypocrisy', and it's Yea Forums's stock in trade.

And you missed the part when the bad guy throw away the plan he spent years building.

mob shitco is garbage, even OPM2 was better despite the inferior animation.

If really want to know why, compare the theme of Mob Psycho with the themes of other battle shounen

The plan failed the moment when he was about to explode killing himself and everyone else in the area. Are you really this stupid, user? Even for a shitpost this is completely thoughtless.

I understand the theme what I don't buy is the lazy execution.

execution?

An ideology is not like a stain on a T-shirt that you remove with soap and water, user.

How does the manner in which the bad guy lost make the cheesiness of dialogue like pic related any better?

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>why do series with bad art, bad characters, bad story telling, clusterfucked power levels, incoherent plots, weak as fuck characters whose words mean nothing get a bad rep when this good series doesn't
I don't know i wonder why that's the case.

>the bad guy throw away the plan he spent years building
You were talking about his plan, which failed for very clear reasons and is impossible to resume. Why are you trying to backpedal now?

>>why do series with bad art, bad characters, bad story telling, clusterfucked power levels, incoherent plots, weak as fuck characters whose words mean nothing
But that's Mob Psycho.

>Describes Mob Psycho

Backpedal? Did you read the green text?

I have, you apparently don't read even what you're typing. I post it for you again:
>the bad guy throw away the plan he spent years building

Because Mob shows compassion for the enemy and the ability to practice what he preaches, other battle shonen will just have the hero beat the fuck out of the villain while yelling I HAVE MORE FRIENDS THAN YOU

But Mob Psycho has good art, good characters, good storytelling, non-clusterfucked power levels, coherent plots, strong as fuck characters whose words mean something

Because he had friends

it was liked for the sakuga, thats it

Ep 7 was the peak.

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Because in other battle shonen the whole point is to subdue your enemy with strength. The protagonist will try to build themselves up to fight right? But in Mob's case he is aiming for the opposite. He wants to improve in other ways. He doesn't want to fight. So he will subdue the enemy with kindness. It's kind of the whole point...

A person who spends ten years planning to take over the world is a megalomaniac. And a megalomaniac will not change even if he loses.

Again, I understand the "whole point" of the show, the problem is the execution, how it is done. And it's done the same way as with many generic battle shonen: energy beams, cringe speeches, bad guy becomes a woke guy in a blink etc.
See

You will hate season 3 lol

>the real fight was the talk we had along the way
amazing.

Oh and season 4?

becuase mob is good while other anime are bad

beside the talk no jutsu is actually good and the power of friendship isn't just looking for a cheap way to make the growing pile of side characters who become irrelevant once they're arc is over not feel useless

>Why are other battle shonen criticized when they use POWER OF FRIENDSHIP and TALK NO JUTSU
Because they aren't inherently bad concept, it just so happens that a lot of bad shows use it which gives it a bad reputation.
Though I wasn't the biggest fan of how Mob handled it either.

A shonen MC who has compassion for the villains and is not just a selfish power-mad. Yep. That's really original.

Do any of you know where i can find season 2 dubbed..?
or do i have to watch it on crunchy roll and get out of bed any time an episode finishes?

The side characters in MP100 are irrelevant as fuck

Why? Give me spoilers.

your idea of irrelevant is subjective, if the only people you think can be relevant are people with powers I think your missing the point of the show

Talk no jutsu is a stupid complaint that only the most braindead of perpetuate.
Not everything has to or should or is solved by fighting.

Dimple becomes all powerful, Mob fights dimple and wins with the power of friendship.
season 4 is about mob losing control of his powers after getting killed by being hit by a car and he levels the city.

It is with the way Mob is executed

Talk no jutsu is basically a magical power. The enemy is bad, a little chitchat, the enemy is good. That's why people hate it.

Took me 5 seconds to find. Apply yourself dubfag.

I hated this in Nardo, specially with Nagato's evangelization

>if the only people you think can be relevant are people with powers
The school girls and the parents are barely characters.

"A little chitchat" is really underplaying it. It's about showing the other side a new perspective. Most shonenbabies will never understand how a meaningful conversation can change minds.

they're part of the story they don't need character the point if if they're relevant and they are, wether you consider Mob a shonen or not it tells the story the same way any character driven story would by including character elements to flesh out the world

>It's about showing the other side a new perspective.
It's still a magical way to solve a problem, because people don't change so easily.
>Most shonenbabies will never understand how a meaningful conversation can change minds.
It's more preaching than conversation.

>they're part of the story they don't need character the point if if they're relevant and they are
I can use this for any other battle shonen as well.

People don't change so easily but they're much more open to it when they're at their lowest point

Talk no jutsu is not a substantial conversations, consists of a moralfag spitting words as if he were the symbol of truth and winning a fight with it. Using MP100 as an example, Shigeo is a child who knows nothing about socialization and suddenly he becomes the ultimate authority on this subject. Say whatever you want about the themes, it's still poor writing.

Yea Forumsnos get told by anime youtubers that they´re clever and sophisticated for liking MOB.

It had potential but ONE got too preachy, especially in the second season.

He's just a child but he knows enough about socialization to know that you can't do everything with strength alone. As the strongest psychic, he is living proof of that and being the reality check many of the antagonists needed justifies the moralfagging. It's not a straight up conversation in MP100 but by effectively communicating and exchanging ideas, it achieves the same effects as a substantial conversation.

I don't critisize this type of thing when the main theme of the story is empathy and it only enforces this theme. In fact, i love when shows do that, it just sets it apart from all the "beat the crap out of each other" bullshit, that's why I liked Mob's speech and Naruto's talk no jutsu. They just make sense.
What I don't like is when shows with no such theme or when it's really shallow and superficial(wow, friends are important, thanks for yelling about that for 10th time, MC) use it

The ugly art style gives it a free pass for pretentious faggots to pretend it's OMGSODEEPANDUNIQUE

Mob Timeflop 101

I don't waste my time criticizing battle shounen thats why.

Because in other shonen bullshit POWER OF FRIENDSHIP is so hamfisted and badly done that you get sick of seeing it all the time

Mob is genuine as fuck and his entire story is about growing as a person and coming into adulthood, which includes being empathetic to even the worst of us

>Because in other shonen bullshit POWER OF FRIENDSHIP is so hamfisted and badly done that you get sick of seeing it all the time
Mob's pretty preachy, user. Stop being defensive.

Its pretty preachy. But its also the kind of manga where the entire final arc is everyone vs Mob because he has completely lost control, and they have to start talk-no-justu him to his senses before his destroys civilization.

>POWER OF FRIENDSHIP is so hamfisted and badly done that you get sick of seeing it all the time
It's the same in Mob Psycho, S2 especially.

I'm more forgiving of the Dimple fight because they actually kinda are friend

>communication is a magical way to solve a problem
so... this is the power of action kiddies huh.

Because it was deconstruction.

The only one in this thread who gets it.

Nobody cares about this show to begin with

They should. It's actually good. No amount of Yea Forumsutists confusing their personal enjoyment with objective quality will change that.

You did enough to submit this post.

>objective quality
No such thing.

>Schoolboy MC: *preaches about life and friendship*
>Bad guy: Fair. I give up.
This only applies to mob psycho if you completely ignore everything building up to the bad guys revelation. He didn't give up because of mob peaching, he gave up because the guilt of his actions became too much for him to suppress anymore.

I'll give you a short answer.
Mob is short, shounen with talk no jutsus are often long so there are more cases to criticize. For many of us, it's realstic for the mc to change the life one villain or two, doing that for the entirety of the series is however tiring.

Mob also present the conflict points to their the most fundamental levels. This makes it less preachy than another shounen where the MC is talks about dense topics like peace, evil, strength and relationships. Part 1 Naruto did this better in a way between Naruto and Garaa but as the series continued and more different personalities appear, it became difficult to believe that Naruto empathizes with all or most of them.

Furthermore it's important to distinguish proving someone wrong and having a connection with them. One is depicted with humality and doubt while the other is depicted with courage and will power. See if the mc is special because they are made to make the villain look wrong, then they are effectively competeing with the villain morally, but if they focus more about putting their feelings into word rather than trying to persuade them then that is effectively not Talk No Jutsu.

To me both of these things are generic, it's just that one is more effective at drawing emotions from the reader/watcher hence mob is praised but things like naruto are frawned upon.

Tl;dr it's all about how the villain appears, if they are the only ones showing doubt and weakness of judgment infront the words of the mc then that will likely not receive praise

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I dunno, most battle shonen is a group of friends using powers unrelated to their emotions to fight some evil. Mob should be a lot more relatable to you guy since he is (read: was) a friendless loser. His power are directly proportional to his emotional state so while the end result is the same, we beat badguy x with friendship, the journey to get there and the impact of that friendship is different.

Thinking there exist objective criteria for art is exactly what a high school student would think.

When is the OVA coming out?

They are taught otherwise. Regardless, objective quality of a work is a fucking thing. I guess Michelangelo just spent his entire life honing his artistic craft for... NO FUCKING REASON?
Get a fucking grip.

It already did?

>I guess Michelangelo just spent his entire life honing his artistic craft for... NO FUCKING REASON
How does that relate at all to what I said?

>how does an artist honing the quality of his art relate to you thinking objective quality doesn't exist
gee i don't know

Reddit circlejerk and pretentious video essayist love to make their favorite series seem more special or smarter than it is.

I honestly don't see your point at all.
Michelangelo working hard to be able to create a specific kind of art has nothing to do with the supposed existence of an objective criteria for art. Nor does it invalidate his effort.

>specific kind of art
This wouldn't even be possible without an objective criteria you absolute idiot. In this instance, we are discussing a narrative. So the objective standards by which we judge narratives apply. Does it have a cohesive logic, does it betray it's established themes. Ask literally any half decent artist if you can objectively judge their works, and they will tell you yes.

The problem here is that some are confusing a quick and fancy speech with proper communication.
A deconstruction that does not deconstruct anything. Ok.
>he gave up because the guilt of his actions became too much for him to suppress anymore.
Very convenient for this to happen quickly and right after Mob preaching.

>Very convenient for this to happen quickly and right after Mob preaching.
It was literally happening slowly over the course of their entire engagement. No fuck BEFORE that, when he was beating his son. Man watch the fucking show before you talk about it.

>The problem here is that some are confusing a quick and fancy speech with proper communication.
The irony here is that's you.

>This wouldn't even be possible without an objective criteria you absolute idiot
Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be possible to create a specific kind of art through hard work in a world were art is entirely subjective?
>So the objective standards by which we judge narratives apply. Does it have a cohesive logic, does it betray it's established themes
Those are just things people in general likes. If the average person didn't liked those sort of things you would be here arguing that it's existence is proof for objective bad.

The whole situation took like a day. Slowly your ass.
What?

>Why wouldn't it be possible to create a specific kind of art
Because he didn't create a specific kind of art, he learned that specific kind of art and made works within its standards.
>Those are just things people in general likes
Holy shit you're actually fucking saying this. No you absolute retard. The standards of a craft are not determined by the fucking consumer, they are determined by innumerable artists over the course of many generations. The only thing consumers determine is HOW MUCH of a specific type of art is created. You cannot fucking dispute that. If it were as you say, then stories that fit the artistic standard would be in the majority... they are not.

>took like a fucking day
And? For us it was about two episodes. That's plenty of time for the caliber of villain he was. Not to mention the seeds were planted at the beginning of the arc. So only the payoff took about two episodes, the process was happening throughout the entire arc. Quickly your ass.

>Because he didn't create a specific kind of art, he learned that specific kind of art and made works within its standards
That is just semantics. And I don't see how it relates to your point.
>The standards of a craft are not determined by the fucking consumer, they are determined by innumerable artists over the course of many generations
Artists are also people and are influenced by their subjective biases.

>>Bad guy: Fair. I give up.
He had no choice. His power was a one off that he was saving for 20 years from saving his energy and leeching off others. It's like a billionaire losing his entire fortune in a few minutes. Most people would blow their brains out or go Wall Street and jump from buildings. It's more like Mob saved the president's sanity by offering him some semblance of kindness. The president could have chased Mob down or exploded in a place that would maximize damage but he was already broken. And in the end it didn't really change anything. The president was defeated no matter what, even if he somehow survived the explosion on his own he was resigned to defeat because he lost his power, it doesn't come back. Sho tried the same thing with energy bomb and specifically said it was a year of power wasted.

It's not like Pain who could probably take down Naruto with Konan's help suddenly sacrificing himself with the tons of power he had left, or Obito going from genocidal maniac to good guy after being punched and talked at, or Zabuza suddenly committing a kamikaze run. The reality is nothing much comes of Mob's talk other than a person who already had nothing left decided to keep on living

>What?
You are confusing proper communication with a quick and fancy speech.

Millennials are superficial fucks. They communicate through hashtags and tweets, that's why for them talk no jutsu and a conversation are the same thing.

>That's just semantics
No it's fucking not, they are two completely different things.
>And I don't see
CLEARLY

LISTEN you fucking invalid. Go learn a craft, actually study a fucking form of art. You will learn very god damned quickly that objective standards exist. If they didn't, abstract art wouldn't be so controversial. And artists wouldn't spend their entire life honing their craft. I cannot fucking help you understand something if you cannot read the words I am writing. All you can fucking do is sit there and say you don't understand. So get your ass out there and actually learn something, because you clearly cannot be taught through words alone.

I legit thought you were describing Mob Psycho lol

Because those are just an excuse to hate on popular battle shounen. A series being good or bad depends on the show's popularity when it comes to Yea Forums.

>implying he himself is not a millennial
Joking

But that's retarded. It's that the people that watch anime don't know what a conversation is. It has nothing to do with millennial.

>Took years planning. Give up in one day.
You're right. That's not convenient at all.
I'm not the one trying to justify talk no jutsu.

Neither am I cum for brains, I'm trying to tell you it's not talk no jutsu.
>characters resolve conflict through understanding and emotional developement
>M-M-MUH TALK NO JUTSU
You are literally worse than the mindless children who enjoy talk no jutsu. You are an action kiddie.

>give it up in one day
Would you rather have had the cool headed mastermind become a completely different character before he exploded? It was entirely consistent with his character to react the way he did to his inevitable death.

>No it's fucking not, they are two completely different things.
When I said he created a kind of art, I was simply referring to the specific paintings and sculptures he made. I didn't intend to imply he created a subsection of art.
>If they didn't, abstract art wouldn't be so controversial
Yet it's existence and peoples appreciation of it shows that different people have different views of what qualifies as good art.
>And artists wouldn't spend their entire life honing their craft
Why not? If their subjective view were that what is good art to them is the thing that they need to spend their life into being able to create, they can still do that in a subjective world.

>characters resolve conflict through understanding and emotional developement
It's talk no jutsu and power of frienship precisely because it is not subtle, but heavy handed, fast and convenient. I don't give a shit about action, the point is: if you want a villain to change his ideology, I'll require more development than that.

The existence of an objective standard does not mean subjective enjoyment cannot exist. Why the fuck do people on Yea Forums think those two things are mutually exclusive.
Plain and fucking simply, you have no idea what you're talking about. I swear to god if I had a dollar for every plebeian that talked about art like they were a fucking artist, I wouldn't be an artist...

>It's talk no jutsu and power of frienship precisely because it is not subtle
Oh okay so you're just using that word despite not knowing what it actually refers to. I'm sorry I didn't realize.

>I'll require
M-MY APOLOGIZE MY LORD. Get over yourself, the amount of development was completely fine.

>objective standard
If the standard was made by humans it is inherently based in subjective bias.

t.doesn'tknowwhatobjectivemeans

My palm just removed the top portion of my fucking skull. A gun chambered in .22 will only shoot .22 caliber bullets. That's an objective standard, and it was made by humans. Go look up the definition of objective, and then never reply again because you cannot deal with the fucking embarrassment of saying something as stupid as you just did.

You must have a very short attention span, user. Maybe anime is not the best medium for you. But that being the case, I actually have bad news for you...

You know what? Lee vs Gaara was a much more interesting ideological fight than Mob vs Claw Boss. Ideologies were clashed, but Lee, despite the effort, ended up full of injuries, and Gaara, despite having his confidence shaken, didn't became a "good boy".

>A gun chambered in .22 will only shoot .22 caliber bullets. That's an objective standard
Now you are just being stupid. How does this relate to art in anyway.
A gun that was specifically made to shot a specific kind of bullet will of course only be able to fire that bullet, it has nothing to do with standards.
>Go look up the definition of objective
>objectively
>/əbˈdʒɛktɪvli/
>adverb
>in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions
>in a way that is not dependent on the mind for existence; actually.
I don’t see how this helps you at all.
What is it that decides this objective standard for art?

>Oh okay so you're just using that word despite not knowing what it actually refers to.
Right, talk no jutsu is only a lazy trope when it happens in other battle shonen. In MP100 is deep communication. Sure.

You say this like it's news to anyone. But the thing is, the type of resolution you would have liked wouldn't have been consistent with the story so far in mob psycho. You didn't like it, and that's okay. That doesn't make it bad.

Imagine being this retarded

It's literally ONLY talk no jutsu WHEN it's lazy. You fucking dipshit.

Way to miss the entire point of the show.

>Maybe anime is not the best medium for you.
Wow, easy.

>But the thing is, the type of resolution you would have liked wouldn't have been consistent with the story so far in mob psycho.
This is what a bad writer or fan would say.

>now you're just being stupid
>a standard has nothing to do with standards
I'm losing my mind here

>is told to look up the definition of objective
>looks of objectively
Fucking retard
Objective
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

So from here, it's clear that an objective standard is a standard created by humans irrespective of personal feelings or opinions. The .22 example applies. Does your mush brain now understand what the fuck I'm saying.

>a bad writer would say a story needs to remain consistent
how do ya figure that one

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And in Mob Psycho IT IS lazy.

You have yet to demonstrate that. Literally all you have to hold onto is calling it talk no jutsu. Every time you provide a reason for why it's lazy you get dragged through the fucking mud and end up changing the subject.

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>Villain who has spent years planning world domination changes his mind because a moralfag kid says friendship is better and the user thinks this is consistent.

>because a moralfag kid
It's funny how you people have to completely ignore the show itself to hold positions like this. If it happened like you say it did, then yeah I would be 100% with you. It would be bullshit.

Good thing it didn't fucking happen like that. Maybe you're a speed watcher, or just plain retarded. But at any rate, if you can't even remember what happened in the fucking show stop talking about it.

Since you love definition so much.
>standard
>/ˈstandəd/
>noun
>a level of quality or attainment.
>something used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations.
Tell me were in this definition a gun only being able to shoot the kind of bullet it was designed for fit in.

>is told to look up the definition of objective
>looks of objectively
>Fucking retard
Yeah, I fucked up. But it is not like the difference in relation to this is particularly significant.

>The .22 example applies
Even if it did apply, you still haven’t explained how this relate to the existence of an objective standard in art.
>Does your mush brain now understand what the fuck I'm saying.
No, I can honestly say that your gun example only made me more confused.

is it a spin off?

lol anime

Stop being an elitist, user. Mob is basically brunette Nardo. Last season was preachy as hell.

Its done tastefully and is pretty much the core of the manga. Its what Reigen has been preaching since day 1 and Mobs emotions esp his puberty and coming of age is pretty much the plot. The manga has been consistent on the concept of restraint vs emotional release, heightened by pre adolescent hormones.

Why is Mob targeted so much by pseudo intellectuals who can't form an argument that doesn't boil down to "it's X because I say so" like OP and shitposters?

>has a completely different second definition that you use to ignore the first one
>its not like the difference is particularly significant
mmhmm

>Tell me were in this definition a gun only being able to shoot the kind of bullet it was designed for fit in
A bad quality .22 round will not work in a fucking gun chambered in .22

>you still havn't explained how this related to the existence of an objective standard in art
Are you serious right now? You were having trouble even understanding what the fuck objective meant, so I used the .22 example to explain that to you. Don't strawman me you dick nibbler.

At any rate, does your mush brain now understand what the fuck I'm saying

>calls someone out for talking shit about events and then not even remembering how they fucking happened
>gets called an elitist
Never change Yea Forums
I'm not an elitist, you're just not even trying.

Because the execution is what matters. Do you genuinly think every time a character use words instead of violance it's a bad thing?

Because it's an emotionally sincere narrative, and pseuds fucking hate emotional sincerity. If it's not ironic, their brains literally cannot process it.

>The manga has been consistent on the concept of restraint vs emotional release, heightened by pre adolescent hormones.
This doesn't make the execution less preachy and generic.

This doesn't make preachy and generic objective criticisms

Tropes are tools. Power of friendship done right works. Done wrong it is shit. This is why both can exist at the same time.

>has a completely different second definition that you use to ignore the first one
>its not like the difference is particularly significant
It isn’t significant because my point that art can’t be judged objectively still stands with either definitions.
>A bad quality .22 round will not work in a fucking gun chambered in .22
I am completely ignorant of guns so I have no idea what a bad quality .22 round would be or why it would be unable to fire from the gun. But I still fail to see how it relates to the definition of standard we are working with.
>You were having trouble even understanding what the fuck objective meant
I never did, you just assumed I did.

>At any rate, does your mush brain now understand what the fuck I'm saying
No, as I said your gun example have only left me more confused as to what your point is.

>it's x because I say so
>meaninglessbuzzwords like "generic"
It really isn't. Mob development through the series that made him come to the words he uses feels earned and genuine giving him the right to say them. He doesn't talk out of his ass. When facing the boss for an example he talked about the boss being lonely and he felt sympathy because he knew how it truly felt after being stuck in Mogami's world for 6 months. He actually have ground to stand on for his "preaching" which is the difference between him and a random shounen MC making it genuine, earned and not forced.

>I never did, you just assumed I did
Pic related, now you saying that because you know nothing about guns means you cannot understand how a production standard supports the existence of objective quality... You're simply dumb, that's all I can fucking say. You are simply too fucking dumb to understand anything we are talking about.

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>Mob Shitco
Everything only turns out fine because of coincidence. Had Mob fallen in with the wrong crowd, which, let's be real here, would have been far more likely, the entire world would have been enslaved by espers. Contrast that with the masterpiece that is HxH, where the ants being defeated by the humans' experience is an inevitability and relevant commentary on mankind's position on Earth, and it's laughable that one can say Mob is good.

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>where the ants being defeated by the humans' experience is an inevitability
nice headcanon

>the story only exists because of coincidence
You only exist because of coincidence. Man your life is so laughable, shit life get a better one.
and then
>this story isn't about what I want it to be about
Seriously why do you people even exist

Literally pseudo intellectual: the post

>underage level post
>hxh pic
Every time

Shonenbaby, this is not some generic garbage like Mob Shitco, in HxH it's not willpower, talk no jutsu, friendship, life force or magical artifacts that saves humanity, it´s the unbelievable malice and viciousness to use any means possible to stand atop the food chain and defend it´s title of evolution`s finest. It´s technology, an expression of humanity’s ultimately self-destructive individuality, with the sole goal of killing everything it touches, originally designed to kill it´s creators, namely humans.

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>But when Mob does it is treated as the best thing ever?

NEVER EVER.

>Do you genuinly think every time a character use words instead of violance it's a bad thing?
But I never said words instead of violance was a bad thing. That was never the point. The problem is that Mob just gave a quick and cringe speech about friendship just like any other generic MC does. And the villain changed, just like any other generic villain does.

Based Hunterchad.

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Then why didn't they just drop the nuke on the palace without wasting time on an invasion?
HxH is dumb as fuck lmao

>a literal 16 year old egdelord
Wew, humanity worse than ants because war and stuff amirite?

But he doesn't and it has been explained several times in this thread why it isn't the case. Parroting the same "it's x because I say so" is not an argument.

Or better yet, just bomb the home tree in the beginning.

>it's not some generic garbage like willpower, no jutsu, friendship, life force, or magical artifacts
>it's generic violence
action kiddies out in full force tonight

>LMAO DUDE JUST NUKE THE PALACE WITH 5 MILLION PEOPLE OUTSIDE THAT WILL GET POISONED AND DIE CAUSING AN INTERNATIONAL CRISIS FOR THE HUNTER ASSIOCIATION AND THE V5

That's not how politics works, this isn't like your shonenshit and online games, retard.

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>LMAO DUDE JUST SEND IN SOME PUNCHY BOYS AND HOPE THEY CAN MAKE THE LITERALLY UNBEATABLE ANT KING LEAVE HIS PALACE AND CONVENIENTLY GO TO A PLACE WHERE THE DETONATION WOULD LITERALLY ONLY HURT HIM
Anyone who says hxh isn't standard shonenshit is a fucking idiot. Don't get me wrong it's good, but come the fuck on.

This shit is shallower than a kiddy pool, works on nothing but contrivances and is hypocritical to tee. Nardo unironically does it better and Nardo is shit.

But they blew up the nuke in the country, and Pouf died in the crowd so the poison chain reaction thing happened anyway

That post was speaking in relation to art.
And I stand by it even after all this copy pasting of definitions.
>how a production standard supports the existence of objective quality
I have to admit that I failed to realize that this was your point. But I disagree nonetheless, just because a bullet fails to met the standards to be shot from one specific gun doesn’t mean it can’t shoot out of a different gun that is designed differently.

The Rose bomb was made illegal after the UN banned it, so you couldn't use it to bomb a peaceful Amish country.
You have a really childish mind and you don't understand how geo-politics works and the repercussions of just bombing non-belligerent countries. Keep reading simple shit like Mob Psycho 100 for your undeveloped mind.

A fucking cheap nuclear bomb ended the most powerful being that will ever exist in HxH.

Go back to you fucking retarded shounen shit series where they throw laser beams out of their ass or have talk no jutsu resolve their plots.

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What makes something "preachy" is not what is said, but how it is said. I am not doubting the protagonist's feelings, I am annoyed by the moralistic way in which he expresses these feelings and how this is used as a kind of special power (talk no jutsu) in the fights.

Yeah, I don't even remember him thinking about rebuilding his cult or manipulating Mob after the 7th branch arc.

>just because a bullet fails to met the standards to be shot from one specific gun doesn’t mean it can’t shoot out of a different gun that is designed differently.
But it means it can't be a .22
therefore supporting the existence of objective standards
I will repeat myself, you are very fucking dumb dude

>That post was speaking in relation to art
...and? What does that change? The existence of an objective standard for a caliber of bullet necessarily means that an objective standard for a type of art exists as well. You cannot pick and choose. Do me a favor and trip so I can filter you.

>A fucking cheap nuclear bomb ended the most powerful being that will ever exist in HxH.
read slower

Read the thread,

>go back to your show where they don't resolve everything with punching like a schoolyard argument
Okay

Because completely destroying the palace with nen users instead of just bombing it and forcing out the ants is better. They saw them as a threat that needed to be exterminated from the beginning but instead of destroying the queen's nest they just sent in a few hunters even though they already knew the possibility of the queen breeding strong soldiers and a king. They knew all along yet their actions is absolutely retarded. NGE was literally a small dicatorship that got taken over by the ants. They had all the right to bomb the shit out of them before it spread which it later did.

You can kind of find some logic on the surface level but dive any deeper and you realize how little logic there actually is behind the actions and how it was handled.

Speedwatchers are cancer. Mob beat him with raw power... there was no "friendship no jutsu" because that would imply friendship had any agency in subverting the crisis. The villain recognizing friendship was merely a consequence of him getting beat up to the point of no return. He could've stayed mad and unnacepting of friendship and the battle would still have ended with Mob's victory.
Really, if you want to talk shit there's many points you can approach, but it takes a special kind of retarded to try this angle. Did you even watch it or did someone tell you the episode synopsis?

Nobody is treating is as the best thing ever. Unironically YOU read the thread. Calling out blatant lies and bullshit criticism does not mean we think it's the best thing ever. Where do you even get off saying something this autistic.

>Parroting the same "it's x because I say so" is not an argument.
To say that Mob is different because the story is about emotions is no argument either. The writing is still lazy.

>it's lazy because I say so
You really can't help it, can you.

HxH tends to go in further with it's themes to areas that aren't so agreeable and not be so much about the feel good "everything is simple you just gotta believe!" or whatever spiel shows like Mob shitco and Boku no picodemia like to push. The panels you see in this page are taken from real life tragedies. This level of social critic to the problems we face in our world will never be found in any other series, let alone shonen.

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It wasn't even a nuke retard

Honestly, what gets me is that Mob is tremendously powerful out of sheer luck, while the villains had to work for it.

I mean, what's the point of it all, when some unlikely confluence of genetics just upends your entire plan? Not by a counter-plan, it's just that he's got more punching ability.

More, Claw should've been winning the fight. He's got more-or-less the same power, and he's been saving up for at least ten years. Logically speaking, a mature psychic should be infinitely more powerful than someone who hasn't mastered his talent yet.

The show just kind of contradicts itself on that aspect. It always felt like the counterargument is "You know, you're using your power - which just happens to be TRUER and MORE POWERFUL than mine - to win the day anyway. Who cares what you believe in?"

>and? What does that change? The existence of an objective standard for a caliber of bullet necessarily means that an objective standard for a type of art exists as well
The difference is that the .22 caliber gun was made by humans to shoot .22 caliber bullets. There exist no equivalents in art. We do have standards in art for example what counts as a painting, or what makes something a comedy. But it is impossible to have objective standards for what makes a good painting or what makes a good comedy.

You found it preachy, I did not...
So what does that mean? That it's preachy? That it's not? No... It means you found it preachy.

>there exists no no equivalents in art
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(arts)
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop talking about it.

Do you even understand what you're saying? He's morally in the right to say them. He has the right. That's the entire point.

>feel good "everything is simple you just gotta believe!" or whatever spiel shows like Mob shitco
You didn't watch mob psycho.

>panel displaying tragedies uses real tragedies as reference
oh wow so deep
>social critic
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But it's only driven home by the fact that he has the biggest swinging dick. If he didn't, the enemy would laugh and annihilate him.

No, the story is about Mob'shrowth has a person and how he applies his experiences when facing a problem
>it's lazy because I say so
Are you ironic or genuinly retarded?

Circlejerkers are cancer. The enemy changed from Freeza to Obama in one episode. That's shitty development.

>in one episode
Hello speed watcher

Yeah as I said you can say that a piece of art is realistic, but you can’t say whether it is good realism art.

Doesn't change the fact that he has the moral groubd to say those things since his own experiences and growth shaped those words rather than shit talked out of his ass. His powers is only a means to tell them.

>but you can't say whether it is good realism or not
>good realism
>realism
>of the real world
aaaaaAAAAAAAAA you are LITERALLY not COGNITIVELY CAPABLE of UNIRONICALLY saying that.

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Sure, but does anyone care about the moral high ground? He could've said "I hate all black people" and his enemy would still have to take it. Why not? He's basically God.

If something is not realistic then it is not bad realism, it is simply not realism.

watch 500 unique anime before commenting

But he doesn't? His moral high ground would be gone if he said something like that making his words empty of any real meaning and own application.

The change happens in the final episode. He starts as a bad guy and ends as a good guy. In the previous episodes he was still the bad guy.

Like I said, there's many other plot points to be contested, but the one OP brought up wasn't that one, it was a retarded one.
Not only a speedwatcher but also too illiterate to even read my entire post.

>artist tries to draw realism
>fails
>I-I-It wasn't supposed to be realism in the first place
You are not a real person, it is impossible for someone to be this dumb.

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That's very bad and short "summary" of what actually is going on. It really means nothing towards the argumentation.

If an artist try and fail to draw realism, it is still not realism because he failed. Regardless of his intentions.

look kiddo, the whole is art objective debate was been settled for decades, it can only ever have inter-subjective value.
If realism mattered as much as you think, than any twat with an iPhone can make greater work of art than 90% of the most famous painter

>ends as a good guy
What? You actually didn't watch the show. Before we even saw him the emotional conflict of his actions was set up. Watch the fucking show.
His whole thing was suppressing his own emotions so that he could commit terrible actions. And ever since he came onto the screen it was clearly fucking shown that the emotional weight was slowly building up and weighing heavily on his shoulders. So when he was finally pushed to the edge of failure because of mob, he could no longer contain his emotions and went absolutely fucking apeshit. Culminating in almost going nuclear, until mob helped him process his pain and guilt in a more healthy way.

because you know.. that's mobs whole deal. processing emotions in a healthy way.

let your balls drop before commenting

Steven Universe would be proud of this faggot

>What? You actually didn't watch the show
read the manga, he reunited with is son and works for the government

>settled for decades
By fucking who, highschool english teachers? Fuck off
>a picture equates to a craftsman's work
FUCK
OFF

I will say this once again, you cannot be real.

Alright that's pretty stupid, the way you described it. But I'll wait until I see it to pass judgement, because as we all know a one sentence summary does not convey anything accurately. As we see with the one sentence summaries of this fight in this very thread. Besides, we're talking about how the fight and its ending is portrayed in the anime.

The word fail indicate that they did not actually create realism, and if they didn’t create realism then it can’t be bad realism because it failed to be realism.
It is entirely logical and I fail to see your issue with it.

>I fail to see your issue with it
You fail to see my point at all. You can't work with the binary of "realism or not"? Fine, there are innumerable forms of art we can go through. I'm fucking ready are you? Next up to bat is
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storytelling

Refute the objective standards by which narratives are judges. Fucking try it. You can't cunt your way out of this one, a bad narrative is still a narrative. Good luck cock gobbler.

>By fucking who, highschool english teachers? Fuck off
What are the objective standard that everybody can agree on you imbecile. They're objective element to art, but you can't judge the whole "objectively"
>>a picture equates to a craftsman's work
al lot of art you would find ugly had immense work behind them, again what are your objective criteria for judging art

Wait how the fuck does Mob let himself get killed, and by a CAR(not even a truck) of all things???

Well I would say that there is no such thing as an objectively bad narrative.

>They're objective element to art, but you can't judge the whole "objectively"
Oh you actually agree with me. Now either go back and read the thread or go the fuck away. Don't jump in and pretend like you know what we're fucking talking about.

>objective standards by which narratives are judges

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No he fucking didn't. He's a fucking prisoner. He was only let out so he could deal with ??? rampage together with other prisoners with powers and met his son during the fight.

You would have to be living under a fucking rock to even try saying something like that. This is becoming a shit tier troll man, you're not even trying at this point. Go to Hollywood and throw a dart with your eyes closed, you're more than likely to hit a bad narrative. You cannot dispute this. You can say whatever the fuck you want, but until you actually make an argument you have nothing here.

Narrative is not one of the objective aspect retard

He's lying. That's not what happens.

Then give me one of those objective standards for judging narratives.

Did you enjoy GOT season 8? No? Yeah because it was an objectively bad narrative.

English are hard

Thematic consistency, your turn.

>Thematic consistency, your turn.
What about thematic consistency makes it an objective standard for judging a narrative.

Any narrative that betrays the theme it establishes is bad. This is... not even something you can argue against.

>Any narrative that betrays the theme it establishes is bad.
Why? Because you said so?

>Why?
Because both writers and readers say so. Literally every critically acclaimed writer has said as much. I will repeat myself, you don't know what you're talking about so stop talking about it.

>Did you enjoy GOT season 8? No? Yeah because it was an objectively bad narrative.
A Mauler fan I see, you must feel so smart watching hours long cinema sins style garbage.
>Thematic consistency, your turn.
Here your problem, you can't judge narrative objectively because it depends what you put the most emphasis on. Whats more important to you, thematic consistency, characterization or world building? Not everybody has the same standard, so it can't by definition have an objective standard. As art quality is only measured through subjective experience

>Because both writers and readers say so. Literally every critically acclaimed writer has said as much.
And they say it because of their subjective biases.

>mauler
literally who

>what's more important
Literally all those things, in equal measure. This is not rocket science, try harder please.

The readers sure, but you cannot sit here and tell me that craftsmen who have spent more time studying their craft than you have been alive, are incapable of making objective assessments about their craft. Fuck off.

>as art quality is only measured through subjective biases

youtube.com/watch?v=HdZ9weP5i68

Art ENJOYMENT is only measured through subjective biases, learn what the fuck quality is.

A craftsman still have biases and things he enjoys.
If he enjoy thematic consistency then he will say that it is important.
He can’t make an objective assessment of these things because there are no objective criteria to assess it from.

>there are no objective criteria
What is the purpose of a story, to convey meaning. Therefore the objective criteria for the quality of a narrative is how well it conveys meaning.

There, I just did literally all of the work for you. You, at this point, have nothing to think about. The answer has just been gifted to you on a silver platter. Now lets see if you reject reality...

>Literally all those things, in equal measure. This is not rocket science, try harder please.
You can't be this thick, I gonna phrase it better so you can understand, if their a work which puts more emphasis on characterization and an other on world building, how do you objectively determine which is better.
> tell me that craftsmen who have spent more time studying their craft than you have been alive, are incapable of making objective assessments about their craft
What if two artist have different opinion, how do you know who is right
>Art ENJOYMENT is only measured through subjective biases, learn what the fuck quality is.
So a picture has as much value as a masterful painting? If not how do you objectively know what is more important between the craft and the final product?

Depends on the picture. A picture in and of itself isn't art, so your mums facebook gallery obviously does not. But photography does, yes.

>What is the purpose of a story, to convey meaning
That might be the purpose of some stories, but it doesn’t have to be the purpose of every story.

what is the objective criteria for deciding what picture is art and what isn't?

see
And remain beat the fuck out, literally a single sentence answers all of your sophistry. You can either learn from it or stay fucking brainwashed by bad artists desperate to convince people "its all subjective hurrr".

The intent of the person who created it, as with painting. A toddler making something that looks like a pollock painting isn't fucking art, but pollocks paintings are art. It's about the intent. This is, once again, not rocket science.

Because Mob isn't as serious as the other shows.

If they are identical then what point is there in making a distinction?

You are literally incapable of finding a story that does not intend to convey meaning. Go ahead and try it, I'll just put myself in cryosleep. Just make sure you wake me up before the death of the universe, I want one last chance to laugh at you.

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>The villain wants to dominate the world.
Generic.
>The MC is the only one who can stop him.
Generic.
>The MC stays out of combat until the final battle.
Generic.
>The fight is full of flights and laser beams.
Generic.
>The MC tries to make the villain give up on his goal through a friendship speech.
Generic.
>There is a blast, the MC and his friends survive.
Generic.
>The villain also survives and is now a good person.
Generic.

>B-BUT THAT'S THE POINT
How convenient.

>what point is there in making a distinction
Gee I don't know maybe the fucking effort put into one and not the other.

Mob's growth as a person is the driving force of the story. How Mob has changed is the priority over how he changes the villain.

Psued: The half-assed greentext

>What is the purpose of a story, to convey meaning.
Who said that?

>You can either learn from it or stay fucking brainwashed by bad artists desperate to convince people "its all subjective hurrr".
it is tough, quick tell me which of the two in pic related that's objectively better

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Humanity, circa its fucking inception. That's an observation, not a declaration retard.

When you say “convey meaning” do you mean that the stories have a point because I’ve seen pointless stories, or so you mean that the stories have a message because I’ve seen messageless stories.

And even if every story in the world conveyed a meaning that doesn’t mean that was the purpose.

>quick tell me which one is better
retard, why would I judge the quality of a work I know nothing about. I do not know the intended style of these works, the scenery they are meant to encapture, the artist that made them. Exactly why I'm not having any of the bullshit of the people in this thread trying to criticize mob psycho while not even having watched it. Or worse yet, speed watched it.

exempt that extremely vague and their a multitude of factor that influence how you might subjectively interpret the meaning thats being conveyed

If the end product is the same why does the effort matter?

How Mob has changed and how he changes the villain are both poorly done.

Stories are a form of language, language exists to convey meaning. Whether that meaning be emotional, intellectual, or otherwise. I swear to god it's like I'm speaking to children.

THIS

Presentation and aesthetic matter. Obvious thing is obvious. Thread over.

Because art is not a consumer product. It's not something stamped out on a fucking assembly line. The effort is part and parcel of the end result.

>Presentation and aesthetic matter.
Not for Mobfags.

/Thread

Stories use language. That doesn’t mean that every story’s purpose is to convey a meaning.

>THIS
Well this is wrong so...

> I do not know the intended style of these works, the scenery they are meant to encapture, the artist that made them
So if somebody knew all those thing he could objectively know which is better and everybody who disagreed with him would be objectively wrong? also how do you prioritize which element is the most important, they are clearly not all of the same importance

There is nothing wrong with the power of friendship and talk no jutsu in principle, it's just that the slant-eye'd hacks that write chinese cartoons fucking suck and don't use those situations properly

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>interpret the meaning thats being conveyed
right.. the meaning...

see
No seriously, try to fucking find one. I repeat, this is an observation not a declaration.

You have never heard about a thing called intentional fallacy, right?

>What if two artist have different opinion, how do you know who is right
You fuckers still haven't refuted this

I could write a story right now whose purpose was that I was simply bored and wanted something to do.
As I said I don’t need to find a story that doesn’t convey meaning because even if a story does convey meaning that doesn’t mean that was the purpose.

I've heard of it, you obviously don't know that it's used in service of the incorrect assertion that all art is subjective.
>the intentional fallacy proves you wrong
>why
>because it's the intentional fallacy
>what authority does it have
>i-it's a fallacy

That's misrepresenting the material. The villains interpret their powers as giving them the right to lord themselves over others. Mob using his powers to fight villains and teach them a lesson is not him doing the same thing as them. His powers do not make him special. Mob using his powers to fight evil and save lives is him fulfilling his bare minimum obligation to others. The villains changing their ways and realizing their powers didn't give them any right to do what they did is incidental. They don't need to realize they're wrong for Mob to be right. Mob doesn't even need to win for him to be right. His goal is not to impose his will on others, it's just to stop them from doing exactly that. That he and Reigen are willing to lecture at all is a courtesy.

That's an interesting conclusion given that all but one episode in the series pushes his character forward in some way. Were you paying attention?

>form of art uses language
>isn't intended to convey meaning
So... this is the power of post-modernism.

>of the incorrect assertion that all art is subjective.
>incorrect
Dear Lord, you dumb af

Whoever is conducive to the improvement of the craft, next question.

If you want to tell a story that isn’t entirely made up of images or sounds then you have to use language, that doesn’t mean the author intended to convey meaning.

>You called the assertion I haven't proven incorrect
>You're so dumb
I mean... Start doing yourself some fucking favors and maybe I wouldn't have to kneel just so you can hear me.

inb4 b-b-but academics agree with meeeee
Something something appeal to atority

This isn't even an argument. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make a story that does not convey meaning. Your brain is fucking wired such that you cannot create it. You can rage against your biology as much as you fucking want, I know you post modern flowers just love pretending to be misanthropes. But at the end of the day, you'll come back to reality.

If art is not subjective, how do you know the correct meaning, then?

>inb4 b-b-but academics agree with meeeee
>Something something appeal to atrocity
What makes you think you know something they don't?
something something Dunning-Kruger effect

Authorial intent, It honestly amazed me how deep the brainwashing has gotten. That you even have to ask that question, it's just sad.

You're still leaving in the 19th century

>No matter how hard you try, you cannot make a story that does not convey meaning
That wasn’t my point, my point was that even if a story does convey meaning that doesn’t mean it was the purpose of the story.

What if they are equally conducive? How are you even going to measure who is more conducive?

And that's that. Pseudo intellectuals parroting contemporary viewpoints. This has been your weekly segment of "projection and irony". See you later ladies and gentlemen.

>literally biologically impossible
>doesn't mean it was the purpose
Second verse same as the first

Later pseuds

Then they are equally valid, and any disagreements they have will be purely stylistic. This is how reality bears it out. I'll say it again, these are observations people. Get your heads out the clouds.

And how do you know that? Are you going to have to research every time you read a story or see a painting? What if the artist died 900 years ago and is not famous?

>literally biologically impossible
>doesn't mean it was the purpose
>Second verse same as the first
What the fuck does this mean? A story isn’t a biological thing. As I said I could write a story now simply because I was bored and that would then be the purpose of the story, any meaning conveyed by the resulting story would be coincidental.

You're a joke.

>any disagreements they have will be purely stylistic
You might even call it subjective

Mob Psycho season 2 felt rushed as fuck. :( Seriously feels like it needs a season 3, but that will probably never happen.

Mob Psycho overall was pretty decent though, I'd give it a 7.8/10. Nowhere near as fantastic as OPM, but still- not bad. Really cool concept, and Mob is cool as fuck.

>settled for decades
Read up kiddies, an actual fucking artist is coming through to drop some educated opinions on the topic.
>academics say art is subjective
No the fuck they do not, the only educated people who say that are the drop outs and hacks. Nobody who spends years studying would ever fucking say this.
theodysseyonline.com/art-is-not-subjective
the-artifice.com/thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-an-argument-that-art-is-objective/
cbr.com/no-art-is-not-purely-subjective/
medium.com/the-scene-heard/to-be-truthful-art-is-not-subjective-4670762e84f3
quora.com/Why-is-art-so-subjective

What you have here are artist approved summations of the topic. Are they the be all end all of the debate? Nah, but they are miles ahead of you lot in terms of understanding the issue on any level that isn't either superficial or facetious. Read up and shut the fuck up.

>and Mob is cool as fuck.
Reigen, you mean. Mob is boring

>theodysseyonline.com/art-is-not-subjective
> Obviously, these categories aren't perfect. And, there is some art that comes down to a matter of preference. Measures of better and worse arent always particularly helpful, especially when studying the higher echelons of art. Whether you think Monet or Manet is a better artist is something for you decide for yourself, and something for art historians to debate. My own biases have been clearly displayed in this list of course
>theodysseyonline.com/art-is-not-subjective
>It’s a well-understood fact that art has a degree of subjectivity to it; that is, not everyone will agree on what is and what is not art. In fact, arguing about what is and what is not art has become a cultural past-time for first-world countries
at least read the shit you link before posting

That sure were a bunch of people trying to argue that art isn’t subjective because they like certain art more than other because of their totally-not-subjective criteria.

The pacing of season 2 is basically identical to season 1. Introduction building to first bout of emotional turmoil, then two episodes for a major villain, then two episodes on a lower stakes character focused story, then leading in to a longer arc fighting the strongest villains of the season.

random blogger are not the academic consensus

/thread

Pseud: The thread

Mob is cute.

Daily reminder that Mob is actually Saitama and Tatsumaki's son

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A pseud thread for a pseud show
Cute but boring

As sure as the sun shall rise, pseuds will flock to battle shounen threads to prove they're smarter than battle shounen only to show they didn't really pay attention.

>But when Mob does it is treated as the best thing ever?
It looks good and has good pacing. The same reason/s why OPM is good.

I'm still really fucking confused about Mob's actual strength.

When we see him at 100% he's obviously very strong, but just how strong is he when he's at ???.

What would have happened if he fought all bosses at his ??? power?

Who is a pseud or not is entirely a subjective thing.

fucking retard, thats only your objective interpretation of a pseud, they are objective criteria

I think a work should be judged for what it is. So yeah, art is not entirely subjective, since it makes no sense to see a painting of a car and say that it is a plane, but art is not completely objective either, as there is no way for an artist to have absolute control over what he creates, I bet Boichi draws his girls thinking they are beautiful, but to me they are fucking aliens.

He fights Toichiro again at ???% and the man cannot keep up.

That's literally Naruto.

It's a battle of ideology,what's so bad with it?

This thread increased my IQ.

People say Mob gets tons of development, but after 25 episodes he still has an expressionless face.

I think that what exactly art is is subjective but there are objective means of measuring quality. Artists do set goals for themselves after all. I don't think saying "but it succeeded for me" is proof of quality being subjective. That's just proof that enjoyment is subjective, which is perfectly fine. I love Deadly Premonition, after all.

Mob and Ritsu are alternate universe versions of Tatsumaki and Fubuki.

How do you objectively prove it?

Art may be subjective but DP is objectively good.

Naruto isn't as consistent as Mob when it comes to TnJ'ing the enemy

Mob is ruthlessly pragmatic. He wants to develop his physical body and be a normie to get the girl.

Shonen protagonists like Naruto, Gohan, and Monkey D. Luffy didn't have a good mentor like Reigan to teach them to be good.

The entire Sasuke retrieval Arc could've been averted if Reigan was their mentor and telling the Sauce he's not special. Would've triggered EMS in 2 chapters time before the Tournament.

How it's done.

Which overall, is the shittier series anons:

Mob Psycho, or One Punch man?

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Naruto is literally Dr. Phil at Best, or that one Nog from the Hood who wants to move up the food chain. It would've been better if they increased the bantz

>He wants to develop his physical body and be a normie to get the girl.
But he still continues to use the powers he says he doesn't want to use all the time.

One Punch Man because it's the Tatsukai and Fubuki show now.

Mob at least wants to be a /fit/ chad to get girls.

Both OPM and MP100 become what they intend to subvert.

Mob wants to use his powers for good and impress women with talent. He doesn't want to be autsitic. Do you want him to turn like the Sauce?

>Mob wants to use his powers for good
Like any other shonen protag

Literally this.

> Muh deconstruction
> Muh subversion

Eventually, we become what we pretend to be.

Mob doesn't subvert anything, it's just a coming of age action show. One Punch Man also doesn't really subvert or deconstruct the moment it started having an actual story. It just became a unique premise for ONE to toy with. Although if you're going purely by the Murata manga yes, it loses a ton of its uniqueness. One's writing style is also immensely optimistic so villains in Mob being redeemable is just how he tends to write people. Even minor characters have a tendency to be written as callous at first only to be shown as decent in a different context.

That's my issue with OPM. Originally it was a parody/deconstruction/comedy about cliche Shonen protagonists, but now it's morphed into something entirely different.

Also, I was mildly disappointed in how optimistic Mob Psycho was, like I was kinda hoping for some Berserk shit. Like, for example, how incredible would it have been if it turned out Mob's family actually DID die in the fire, and Mob totally lost it?

Say, his true power/vessel is unleashed and almost nobody on earth can stop him?

>like I was kinda hoping for some Berserk shit. Like, for example, how incredible would it have been if it turned out Mob's family actually DID die in the fire, and Mob totally lost it?
Buddy at that point you'd be asking for the most insane tonal whiplash in the universe. There'd be no coming back from that.

Imagine speed reading spoilers this fast lmao

Mob is a no stakes show.

>Regardless, objective quality of a work is a fucking thing.
No there isn't. You aren't born with standards, you develop them over time. You can argue that the standard you developed has more valid reasoning behind it than another's but that doesn't mean it's objective.

It comes out on the 25th.

The stakes are how the things Mob goes through will cause him to change into an actualized young adult. The stakes are not about who lives and who dies. This should be clear by episode 5 but people seem to think they're watching a different show.

It's the final chapter of REIGEN. It was finally put on MangaONE despite being in the tankobon all year.

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Basically, yeah. So is OPM. Nothing truly dangerous happens in Mob because the power of friendship/empathy will triumph, and in OPM's case Saitama is too strong for anything or anyone to be a threat.

It's a little disappointing how predictable ONE's shows are.

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tnj is the best thing about Naruto.

You are describing personal enjoyment, not objective quality. Someone's personal feelings are not the end all in discussion of a work's quality. The moment subjectivity, your feelings vs their feelings, become the only thing relevant to discussion, rather than just being a part of the whole, is when nothing is worth discussing anymore.

>you aren't born with standards
what even is dna

>This should be clear by episode 5 but people seem to think they're watching a different show.
This is the author's fault. If the show is not about fighting and killing, then don't put it in the story. The story would be much better, by the way, would avoid bullshit like talk no jutsu.
This.

>Gay but cool.jpg
Loved this part, the way they're completely distraught after "killing" each other's bf and aren't even willing to fight anymore.

The manga did it better. s2 was rushed as fuck. it glossed over characterization and downplays themes for the sake of prioritizing cool fight sequences. And mob's character comes across TOO naive in the anime

Season 2 is good but I agree that it kinda shat on both Mogami and Boss.

>Nothing truly dangerous happens in Mob because the power of friendship/empathy will triumph
Right, couldn't possibly be the fact that mob is practically a god.

>If the show is not about fighting and killing, then don't put it in the story.
This is such a ridiculously binary criticism I wonder if you posted it in hopes of getting made fun of. Physical conflict has been a means of facilitating emotional growth in stories for as long as stories have been told, often times without people or major characters dying.

The only arc that had decent pacing and payoff in s2 was the reigen separation. The mogami and boss arcs were more satisfying in the manga from writing standpoint

>boss arcs
I'm glad that they cut out a lot of unnecessary fluff in that arc, but making Boss' already barebones character even more barebones was a bad move.

That's just it- We don't even know the sheer extent of Mob's powers, it's the same issue with Saitama. What is Mob totally capable of at ??? and when he's free from his physical vessel? I don't even feel like we've seen EVERYTHING he can do at ???.

What is Saitama capable of when's at full strength? Where is the limit on Mob and Saitama's power? Do they even HAVE limits?

I agree. Same with the redhead son.

The story ends when Mob has accepted ??? as part of himself and gets over his anxieties. There's nothing to explore with that power once Mob becomes a self actualized adult since the story has nothing to do with him testing his limits as a physical threat.

The in-universe explanation for Saitama's power is that he broke his set limit that fate had intended for him, and has no upper limit. If he ever met someone he thinks could match him, he'd quickly find out that he's still invincible. If someone who was initially stronger than him broke their limit, it still wouldn't matter. Infinity is still infinity regardless of your starting point. It would only lead to a stalemate, which might satisfy him for a little while.

....Wow. You just made me realize how fucking gay OPM is.

I'm not really sure what you were expecting. That being said it is a concept that shouldn't run for as long as it has. The webcomic is still going places and expanding its scope but ONE doesn't update enough, while the manga has been spinning its wheels for ages.

>Physical conflict has been a means of facilitating emotional growth in stories for as long as stories have been told, often times without people or major characters dying.
What I am saying is if you are going to put physical conflicts, do it right, don't use nakama power or talk no jutsu later. About the deaths, I specifically referred to that ridiculous cliffhanger. Again, if you don't go all the way, don't even start.

Why would a show about an awkward loner growing up not involve social interaction and building friendships as a key part of that growth? In fact the one time that's actually important to his defeat of an enemy, it's actually portrayed in a way that is not at all condescending. Mob fully admits that he is fortunate, and that Mogami's life being awful was out of his hands. That is not an excuse for Mob to bemoan the state of the world when he could be paying it forward. The last explosion of season one is gratitude for god's sake. Of course there's moralizing, because the epiphanies are every bit as important for Mob as they are for the villain. In fact I'd say they're much more important for him. As I've stated before, the villains don't need to learn they're wrong for Mob to be right. However them learning the error of their ways is part of Mob fulfilling his moral obligation to society, as he is the only one with the strength to reach out and touch their hearts.

>I specifically referred to that ridiculous cliffhanger
Story beats have more than one purpose other than stringing you along. The emotional turmoil that caused Mob put him out of commission for that arc, forcing characters to act without him. It also put him in a position where this was made personal for him. Lastly it was turning point in his relationship and trust in Dimple, showing how things had grown since the Mogami arc. That being said, the cliffhanger never happened in the manga, so sorry if you felt cheated, though I'd be baffled if you thought Ritsu was just dead and out of the story despite the audience already knowing Sho was on his side.

>You aren't born with standards
and you weren't born with sense

>he doesn't like episode 5
You're a tone deaf edgelord. That episode was fantastic. They couldn't include everything but they included everything that mattered, and visually it was perfect.

>Story beats have more than one purpose other than stringing you along.
The function of a good storytelling is to convince the reader. So it doesn't matter if a plot convenience is important for the protagonist's growth, it's still a plot convenience, it feels forced, which means it's bad.

Indeed it was visually impressive and the episode did what it needed to do as an abridged version of the arc. I'm just saying I felt more emotionally invested in the original

>and visually it was perfect.
Visually was great, but the pace was bad and the resolution didn't have the weight it should have. Reigen episode was a lot superior.

I think people are more about the execution of that jitsu

If objective quality is a thing that truly exists, then what are the objective standards that we judge art with? Where did they come from? Art is something that humans came up with to express their own feelings. Isn't it silly to say that feeling isn't what drives how we judge art when art itself is motivated by feeling?

>The function of a good storytelling is to convince the reader.
Convince the reader of what? That Mob's parents are dead? That Mob's reaction is believable for his character? That Mob would trust Dimple? You have once again attempted to rigidly narrow down what something is without any rhetoric. Using what we know of Mob's fragile emotional state and how his relationship with Dimple has changed, we can conclude that this is a believable reaction and interaction.
>It doesn't matter if a plot convenience is important for the protagonist's growth
Where is the convenience in the catalyst for Mob's involvement in the arc? Are his parent's conveniently alive when we're already familiar with the sort of person Sho is? Is Mob conveniently ill prepared to deal with this kind of trauma after an arc where he was brought back from the brink by being reminded of his close connections with others?
>it feels forced, which means it's bad
Why is it forced? While I'm at it let's go back to your other post.
>What I am saying is if you are going to put physical conflicts do it right
What do you mean by this?
>don't use nakama or talk no jutsu
Why? You are just spouting buzzwords with negative connotations.

If you're only going to provide conclusions with zero argumentation, then why are you here?

Feeling is a factor in judging art, it does not mean objective measurements of quality are impossible to gauge. A movie full of holes and contradictions is objectively flawed in its storytelling, it has failed in the goals it set for itself, but maybe it had other merits that made you feel a certain way. It's fine to discuss both aspects when reviewing a work. Art is motivated by feeling, but executed by knowledge.

based, mob is generic shonenshit just with shit art

>Originally it was a parody/deconstruction/comedy about cliche Shonen protagonists

No it wasn't. Never was. It was meant to a battle manga revolving around protagonist who is all powerful at the start of the story. That's it.

>Loved this part
>Where's Judar
>.....
>What happened to Alibaba?
>He's never coming back
>......

Tell me about it, man this shit was prime Magi

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>Tatsukai and Fubuki show now.
They haven't been seen in the webcomic for long while.

Because mob psycho is about character development first and foremost, and the battles are just a backdrop to the MC's problems." Other shonen" is a vague comparison.