I think the spinoffs indicate why I like Shirou so much and why I maintain the belief that Fate wouldn't have gotten as big as it did if it had not been primarily Shirou's story.
Every Fate spinoff except Zero (is a prequel a spinoff?) focuses way way too much on the Servants. I know that the Servants are the most popular characters but this leaves the problem of having the Masters and even some of the other humans we've seen as really fucking boring. Fate wasn't just about seeing Servants fight, the story of Shirou (and Archer) was the real meat that the rest of it was around.
As much as I'm looking forward to Babylonia, I'm annoyed by how I know I'm gonna have to put up Ritsuka hiding behind a rock and saying Mash's name a hundred times in concern and just listening to the plot happening.
It was fine for the focus of F/SN to be on Shirou but I was rolling my eyes a few times throughout all three routes at how he kept surviving encounters with these supposedly far-beyond-human, unbeatable servants, and his injuries hardly ever affect his ability to fight, instead just giving us new ways of saying "Shirou got his insides rearranged" in the text while he keeps on going as normal. And no, muh Avalon is not a good enough excuse. He's a good character but I disliked his plot armour basically. He has a ridiculously reckless attitude because that's simply his personality ever since the fire, and he gets away with it so much because he has to since he's the mc.
Kayden Russell
He dies in like 95% of ending though.
Carson Edwards
Absolutely awful supporting the trope of "next to hapless teenager gets some powerful thing drop on thier lap and they use it to win some shit or beat godly beings"
John Clark
Stop acting like Bad Ends count for anything Hell, to avoid some Bad Ends you have to be extra-reckless, especially in the Fate route.
Daniel Clark
>muh Avalon is not a good enough excuse It literally is, in the story.
Ayden Martin
Is Oath Under Snow and its related series, really about the servants?
Benjamin Cooper
Avalon makes King Arthur invincible, why is it hard to believe a person with this inside them is hard to kill?
Adam Wood
OP wasn’t a fag today
Aaron Clark
>. And no, muh Avalon is not a good enough excuse. But...that's literally the reason?
Without Avalon, Saber doesn't even come into the story at all
