What should the MC actually do in an isekai setting? Try to find a way back or learn how to survive in the new world?

re:zero, grimgar, saga of tanya the evil to say a few

>We just had a double Earth.
I just came to realize how much potential this option actually has

NASA is currently up on arms trying to find life in astrobiology. Establishing connection with the isekai world is no different from landing in a different planet.
Provided that the connection don't cause a pandemic first, it would actually trigger massive revolution on all fields of science and art on both worlds

Our scientists and engineers would be more than giddy to share their knowledge to the people of the new world as they explore new biomes and chemicals that can be used for things that they do not expect,
Not to mention, our lawyers and economists are walking revolution should they come and speak about the rather backwards culture of the isekai nation.

Likewise, their magic would bring great boon to our world that is, and always has been, in short of energy sources.

Should a connection be established, it shall be another Age of Exploration but this time, we are culturally prepared. Hopefully.

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The only realistic scenario of any "other world" contact is a cold war and arms race at best. At worst one side invades the other.

Realistically the gate would be under the supervision of the UN and holds all the rights to destroy the gate if diplomacy was not met.

Nobody would have the balls to close the gate for good. Maybe they would pretend they did to keep it a secret.

There's no internet there unless you make it yourself using magic computers.

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The entire point of the "another world" genre was to act essentially as a coming of age story where the protag has to reconcile themselves with the realities of life rather than lose themselves in the flights of fantasy. Without that aspect, it just becomes indulgent escapism and completely antithetical to the original genre.

Spread his earth pathogens

If it's an isekai world akin to SCPshit, you bet your ass they would

Though, I picture the new world closing it once they read upon our history and how the only reason we stopped doing wars is because both sides have nukes now.

>Invent mayo

What’s with that? Is it so hard to add vinegar & eggs?

die

>Find a way back

Back to what? Most of Isekai Protags are young Japanese males. At best they can expect a soul crushing life as a salaryman.

>Learn how to survive

This is obvious. They should do Abe proud by finding a wife and having kids in this new world.

Japan was a backwater of the Earth for a surprisingly long time.

Not really.

>central heating
>acces to porn at any time, in any place, for any reason
>so many snacks
>PLUMBING and a modern sewer system
>Distinct lack of supernatural beings bent on destroying all of creation
>Feudal lords and a caste system
>possibly elves/demi-humans/etc, definitely racism of some description
>Gods exist, and at least some of them probably hate you.

don't get me wrong, i like an adventure as much as the next guy, but you're giving up a lot of good stuff in exchange for superpowers and maybe some pussy.

and god forbid you get no powers or a weak powers, because now you're basically a refugee in medieval europe

Yes really.

Back to the real world if a normal person, crash and burn otherwise.

If you are in a shit world like Warhammer go back ASAP, if you are in a world with magical modern amenities stay there.

No, really not. Considering how insulated they were them being backwater is not surprising, but to be expected. The final signs of them being backwater was during their deliberate isolation in the edo period, which again, is not surprising but to be expected.

shut the fuck up cum brain.

So you admit they were backwater.

It's nothing to admit, it's totally normal and nothing to be ashamed of.

>>Japs were backwater
>n-no they weren't
>>Yes they were
>w-well maybe but that's nothing to b-be ashamed off

You missed the point. What I argued against was the surprisingly part, not the backwater part.

UN wouldn't be able to do shit, just like all our other major global decision making just boils down to USA/USSR>Russia/China doing whatever they want.

If a gate opened it would just start another cold war between the major powers over the control of the gate location. If multiple locations opened everyone would be racing over to try and establish control over new territory in the isekai ala the Arab world in the 70s all over.

I think a realistic case is shit seeing as we can't collectively agree to play nicely among ourselves much less with aliens.

>and establish control over new territory in the isekai ala the Arab world in the 70s all over.
I think it'd be Scramble for Africa 2.0

How did this turn into a GATE thread again?

fuck shit up by pionering technologies and ideas that world isnt ready for, then go into "i did nothing wrong.jpg", then he will either die by old age or got mobbed by angry people

UN can’t do shit. NATO is the organization that does shit, even then it’s because US bankrolls it while EU gets to enjoy the benefits. If a gate opened up, it’ll be the US that gets to it first, unless it’s in China, North Korea, or Russia.

It's named isekai (parallel world) for a reason.
Their journey parallel aspects of their original life.

Take the Reprise of the Spear Hero for example.

Spear hero was killed for being a two-timer. Thus he gains the ability to rewind time. See the figurative-to-literal twist? That's what makes it fantasy.

Shield Hero on the other hand lived lonely life with a trust fund, that isolated him and made him wary of women who were only interested in his money. And so, in the parallel world, he's thing of safety, the shield, also isolates him. And of course, in the very beginning get's played for all he's got.
There's also a yet-to-be seen plot thread about his brother. Who he introduced to video games as a form of stress relief. Remedying his bad attitude.

What if the entire earth gets isekai'd?

>It's named isekai (parallel world) for a reason.
Too bad for you that this isn't even the case, isekai is just different world.

Beatstmen and monsters populate Africa.
Beastmen, dwarves and elves go to giant forest areas.
Giant spiders and fire monsters go to Australia.
Americans invite goblins and ogres over to race mix a new species.
Europe and China are a warzone.

>cumbrain
fucking npc

Destroy the world!

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If the world he gets isekai'd to is overall a better place where to live, adapt to the new world.
Otherwise try to go back.

Thrive.

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Improvise, adapt, overcum.

>Try to find a way back
Why? Life moves forward. Only a coward who is afraid to live life would go backwards. Are you like that, OP? Are you projecting or something?

Aren't those terrible because the MC wants to go big world shit instead of just becoming a farmer or something?

Actually his little brother could be represented as Fohl.
You know. In the same way The Wizard of Oz farm hands became the Lion, Tin Man, and Scarecrow.

But the Anime only references his little brother once, in the first episode and says nothing about video games. Just that he saved him from becoming a delinquent or something. In the LN his brother dyed his hair different colors. So that could be another connection to Fohl. Not to mention, he's like the only other male character to party with him.

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Explain to me how being a slave of animal instinct is a good thing, my fellow enlightened being.

Sure, once you explain to me how people going against their natural instincts to prop up an artificial moral code for the sole purpose of conformity is a good thing.

Is there no isekai where MC despairs over how he will never get to meet his family and friends ever again and hits a brick wall trying to cope with what should effectively count as having everybody you know be killed off and not having any chance to say good bye?

Or are all MC just cold psychopaths?

generally, the person who dies is the one transported to another world. not sure how many of them know that their old bodies are dead and they more likely than not will never return to their homeworld. but in either case, they will know that their family and friends are still alive.

that, or whatever takes you to the new world and gives you the needed superpowers is also kind enough to supress those feelings. after all, if magic is real, it isn't too much of a stretch that memories could be repressed or emotions kept in check via some ritual or other.

They often are loners to begin with. Family/Friends usually aren't mentioned at all. Makes sense for a medium where MC is supposed to be an easy self-insert. Comparable to harems, except for the obviously NBR sister.

colonialism 2; Nuclear boogaloo

Reincarnation isn't Isekai. It's a completely different story format.
And only very young characters experience separation anxiety. The story parallel is usually some kind of loss of a family member. A dead mother. Or a change of school.

Main problem with most of isekais is the lack of objective. It comes as no surprise that we never get to see the end of an isekai story.

i don't get this. i'm a major loner but would probably not react well to a guarantee never to see my family ever again. what kind of cold asshole would go "huh i guess i died so all that time spent, all my memories from childhood, the people i've seen come and go and the place i called home, that's all gone never to come back." and completely shrug it off? the only justification is when the MC is a canon asshole. which makes all the "good guy" MC with social skills and such very unsettling to me.

>Reincarnation isn't Isekai.
Sure it is if they keep their memories from the old world.

>What should the MC actually do in an isekai setting? Try to find a way back or learn how to survive in the new world?

Assuming he isn't not summoned and subsequently burdened with expectations of saving everyone, he should just game the system to get what he desires.

>going against their natural instincts
We can never completely deny our instincts, however, we can apply reason and use them in a productive way so that our natural desires align with what is optimal for the survival and longevity of ourselves and society. There need to be priority and we must first look at the big picture instead of indulging in the whims of the moment. Sometimes that requires to suppress and deny ourselves short term gain in order to achieve long term growth.

>Artificial moral code
Everything around you is artificial, most of your thoughts and ideas are artificial. If we were to revert to our "natural" state, violence, tribalism and barbarism would rule once again and humanity would return to being slightly smarter monkeys.

>sole purpose of conformity
Modern conformity and fashion states that we should in fact indulge in every degeneracy imaginable and that nothing is sacred or off limits. Thus going against this trend is currently the ultimate display of non-conformity and rebellion. An indulgent and degenerate rabble that only seeks pleasure is much easier to control, after all, than reasonable individuals seeking enlightenment.

Well typically when you die you'd drink the waters of the leth and forget. But there are story reasons why one might skip that beat.

Maybe you're a possessive control freak. Those things exist without you. So what you're really laminating is the fact that you're not part of it anymore, which is triggering your OCPD.

Well, some people are born into crappy, abusive families, and if that's the case then it's understandable that the MC wouldn't give a flying fuck about them.

>being an orphan in a wwi(ii)-era world
Does not sound pleasant.

You can try to reestablish the Skoptsy sect, they tried to fight the animal instinct with some success.

I would get a wife and become a farmer

There actually were manga just like that. Well, minus the getting a wife part, but that probably would have come later.

Completely wrong, anyone who remains more fascinated by coming of age stories and slice of life than interesting adventures in unique settings while over the age of 18 never grew up and lives in their mom's basement unemployed. Coming of age stories are shallow by design, and only intended to interest young adults so they give you their money, but also aid them in the transition to adulthood. You're not meant to fester and collect them, never growing up yourself.

Re:zero is only a problem because Subaru keeps himself around Emilia and trouble constantly follows her. It's why the Rem If story, the two had been living peacefully for 10 years.

This. Rephrasing Churchill, current era is the worst except everything that happened before. Of course you may also invent a very comfy isekai, but that's not a given.

>What should the MC actually do in an isekai setting?
Learns magic and lives a comfy life as an adventurer. Leaves "save the world" jobs to someone else.

ADVENTURE.
This is what so many isekais get wrong. Fuck your generic fantasy starting town and your guild autism, you accidentally violate some ancient custom by tripping on your autism and falling into the princesses' bouncy anime chest. Now, young lad, according to the laws of our kingdom we'd execute you! But being a good-natured people at heart, and being in a bit of a bind, we'll instead send you on a quest to find the five macguffins which are also things the audience will enjoy you both searching for and finding!
Here, take these two mid-low-tier magic items with you, along with the obligatory low-life half-elf town thief who you'll also need to reform along the way!

Basically, the villagers are just taking mercy on the MC and want to get rid of their thief, they think they'll just go hide out and start a new life somewhere else and not bother them. They even gave them a few heirloom magic items to pawn off, not wanting them to be stuck in poverty and have her just teach him to steal. Both of which are things the thief wants to do, but the MC being entrusted with the missions takes it seriously and wants to prove he's not a bad guy to the townspeople and be let back in, because he's afraid of this setting and they seem nice. Ironically, this leads him to bizarre locales and huge danger as he actually pursues the quest they meant him to abandon, to restore their former glory.
True best case: Those Who Hunt Elves, which was about the modern world, including some adventurers, phasing into a fantasy realm and probably vice versa but unseen. It also did GREAT on the interesting MacGuffins, the plot being you have to strip any elves you find to look for magic tattoos (with a better justification than you'd thing). Also a tank that ran first on "gasoline fruit", a result of the worlds merging, and then on a cat's soul. Dumb as fuck annoying late-90s anime tropes all through, but rises above them. Plus, turnip fairies was such a cool idea.

Make love to all the cute lolis.

>What should the MC actually do in an isekai setting?
If he is isekaied, he is special by definition. He should check if that specialness comes with some benefits and then use them. But that's just what the most iskeaiers do?

I just a nice and comfy life on the fields with a young wife and my 8 children, in which I would give the daughters to marry other farmers as family alliances, take the elderest son to take care of our business and the rest I would expect to join the army.
Is that too much to ask?

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Ah, the "other civilizations would be more peaceful and better than us", not just good for aliens, now for isekai settings too! Based angel complex.

Adventure is it's own genre genius.

Yes, we definitely need more baaaawwwww "psychological" anime, thanks for your input Anno, don't forget to kill off all sense of wonder from all fanciful settings.

He didn't say it's surprising that they were backwater, he said it's surprising that they stayed that way for so long

Adventure and Fantasy are both their own genres and fantasy adventure is a sub-genre of each at the same time. Isekai is also a sub-genre of both, because isekai always involves either a magic or magitech portal or an alternate idea of an afterlife, and is the definition of adventurousness in that everything changes at once for them, other than sometimes their gear. Isekai fantasy adventure is an overlapping sub-genre of two sub-genres which share the same two grandparent genres. The level of synergy here is incredible, and the only reason it isn't explored more is because it's easier to bait people in with the first two episodes of a fascinating concept, then do cheap easy slice of life once people are invested in the characters.

ALSO, isekai is just a character development attachment to the genre of whatever world the protagonist ends up in. Their special abilities and knowledge which make them unique, or not, derive from their MC status as an isekai victim/beneficiary. Isekai to a space station with no magic and you're in a sci-fi, it's just an isekai sci-fi. The act of isekai is adventure/fantasy unless explicitly sci-fi, but isekai itself isn't really a genre, it's an attachment to new or existing genres based on the world(s) the author creates.

Finally, isekai is a storytelling device to allow you, the consumer, to be introduced clearly and completely to backstory and mechanisms of the setting without having a weird awkward sequence where the characters say "of course you already know that [basic information]", or a shitty amnesiac protagonist or side character who asks the same questions about the plot and setting every episode, just in case the viewer forgot. You can learn and grow along with the MC, allowing you to empathize with them to a greater degree and get more engaged in the story.

So in summary, isekai is a device and a hook, not an actual genre, but it's a hook and device people like, so it gets grouped as a genre for sales.

What about a world with no grand, central "save the world" mission? I don't get the autism appeal of the MC being all coldsteel and philosophical about "haha, I'm so non-egotistical that I don't care if everything dies". Sort of a boring outlook for an adventurer. Wouldn't a nuanced adventuring world with no one threat about the blitz the earth be better?

But like already said, those instances were not surprisingly but instead to be expected.

We do need more anime where the MC isn't some numb drone who mercilessly kills whoever and whatever he likes while being heralded as a hero all while having an obsession with asserting how much of an average joe he is

Unironically based

Haha wow muh deconstruction of the hero trope wowie that sure is deep and well done and never overdone, let's have another one where the MC ponders the meaning of "why should I help these people just because they look like me? I don't know the history of this place or what its politics are like" while your typical overwhelming force crushes village after village. Maybe he could just sip some tea and brood deeply on the nature of human suffering while the light of burning huts reflects in his misty eyes?
That sounds amazing, I love getting my worldview from entertainment media and not actual books. Can Subaru screech a little more about the whale and how traumatic it is for him? This is something I want the anime to focus on because I personally have never seen or heard of trauma before and can't understand it unless it's shoved in my face.

It's really depend on the setting but mostly must try to survive
Generi fantasy world? Become an adventurer and defeat the evil beings or sth
World at wars? Fight in the wars
Reincarnated as a member of a monster race? Kill all frickin human
Being reborned as mixed race baby between races opposing each other? Some how make peace between those races
Being isekaied as a neutral supreme being? Rule the fucking world
The world is too degenerated? Destroy the whole world

>this genre that became popular because of human beings' boredom with the present world and their desire to explore new worlds was actually a ploy to convince people to not be bored with the present world

I don't even know what insecurity you're trying to process here but you should stop.

deep insight

Trying to survive WHILE looking for a exit door.

>instead of having to choose between the macguffin and the heroine, has to choose between the isekai world macguffin and the way home macguffin in a really, really agonizing way
>then, a few chapters later still in pursuit of the one he chose and wondering about it, he has to make the choice between that one and the heroine - not some bullshit she tripped off the edge or something either, something with subtle foreshadowing and world-building behind it that still catches the reader by surprise
>oh hero-san, because of me....(the quest will fail/you'll never get to go home)...that's right heroine-san, you're all I have left now
>newlywed adventures trying to get back to the other world and/or get another replacement fantasy macguffin to make up for the lost opportunities of the first arc

If there are two worlds, then there must be a huge number of worlds. Your goal must be to discover the best!

With a little help from the capricious, playful multi-planar entity known as Truck-kun, our hero is off!

rape

Why would they want to go back? You seen Captain N: The Game Master?

Generic fantasy settings are not better than our world though.

Roleplay as the final bloodborne boss while silently lampooning.

Even psychopaths can want to return.

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Isekai doesn´t just mean the light novel crap Japan keeps spewing out. Alice in Wonderland and Wizard of Oz are also both Isekai. And the point of those two stories is very explicitly that staying in the fantasy world is a bad thing.

Yes. If only because there is a decent chance your fields would be burned down the moment war breaks out.

"Western books written to be allegorical philosophy are the soul of isekai, the Japanese term, referring to comic books which are produced and sold for profit and entertainment, generally on a weekly, bi-weekly or monthly chapter basis."
I agree that you really should stop.

isekai does not only refer to manga

Coming of age stories have some value as nostalgia bait and a means of good storytelling. And it´s still a way more healthy outlook than the Isekai mindset of entitlement and eternal puberty.

>entitlement and eternal puberty
Yeah, nothing more entitled than being forced to part with everything you knew and loved, and nothing more immature than getting things done, adulthood is all about being too concerned with your social status to do things you need to or you enjoy.
If you're looking to derive a "mindset" from comic books you have a problem and should read more actual books. (Preferably not those mentioned in this thread above, or Catcher in the Rye, or even Slaughterhouse-Five, really any mope-core is something someone like you definitely needs to avoid.)

Most Isekai MC, despite how the story tries to paint them, are massive entitled pricks that only exist as self insert bait for the target audience of massive entitled pricks. Some stories try to get around this by making the main character a tragic misunderstood figure screwed over by a uncaring society. But that too tends to have its own list of problems.

Honestly, any Isekai protagonist that doesn´t want to go back is a massive warning sign that the story you are about to read/watch is not very good.

Dr Stone?

>nothing more entitled than being forced to part with everything you knew and loved
If the main character is personally fine with that because "MAGIC WORLD!", then he is a entitled prick.

> and nothing more immature than getting things done
Fleeing from the life you have is not "getting things done".

>adulthood is all about being too concerned with your social status to do things you need to or you enjoy.
Adulthood is about accepting that the world is the way it is and making your own path in it. Not rejecting that world altogether for a immature fantasy.

What iof both aliens in this universe and people in an isekai one are encountered at different times? A few decades after regular contact between the worlds is made and humans have been using knowledge from there to more rapidly expand in the solar system actual aliens decide to show up but they never have any idea about other worlds or magic being possible. Both worlds uniting against the potential for an alien threat?

I think that the character motivation is the thing that diversifies the glut of isekai content.
If there was one right answer to this it would make an already limited crowded subgenre even more limited.
I'd go as far as to say that isekai works best when it's more about the state of mind of the characters then about the mechanics of the world or autism sheets.
After all we know how fantasy works and we know how game systems work, it's not interesting in any way.

same world, user, same world

Isekai is a type of story. It has nothing to do with the format or who makes it.

It depends on the world you get transported to. For example, if you get transported to another world with lots of magical conveniences, you get something that makes you above average, the world has gods that you can communicate with, an actual afterlife, etc...its a huge improvement over our current world.

We dont even know for sure if any gods exist or if there is any afterlife. The thought of oblivion after spending your whole life working and dying at an old age is honestly quite depressing and we only get through life by trying not to think about it.

If you went to a world where there was ample proof that god and a nice afterlife awaited, you wouldnt get the feeling that you spent your whole life working and dying for nothing, at least you would be able to continue after your death in some form.

Also if you get to resolve some physical issues as part of the isekai, thats also a huge attraction. If you are disabled, cant walk or something, and get to isekai with a fully healthy body, its going to be very tempting.

Obviously giving up your friends, family and stuff you love would be hard, but depending on your personal circumstances on earth, it might actually be worth it.

Isekai, by its very nature, does not allow a huge deluge of character motivation. Assuming that you actually want to write a good story, there is pretty much only one. The desire to go home.

>What should the MC actually do in an isekai setting?
Teach the barbarians our modern morals and values like freedom, liberty and democracy before going back.

>It depends on the world you get transported to.
Well, obviously. If you get transported to literal heaven, a case could be made for staying. But there is no such excuse for your typical generic fantasy world.

If you decide to stay in a fantasy world because something in it makes you above average, then you are a entitled prick. Not only that, but you are a immature entitled prick.

As for the religious angle. That's just plain cowardice. It's enjoying the benefits of being able to put your faith into something, without actually having to put in the mental effort to sustain your believes.

>Obviously giving up your friends, family and stuff you love would be hard, but depending on your personal circumstances on earth, it might actually be worth it.
It can be worth it, sure. But that doesn´t make you not a massive prick for choosing it over the life you have and the people that care about you.

As a sort of training so he can bring us these things as well when he comes back?

>But that doesn´t make you not a massive prick for choosing it over the life you have and the people that care about you.
You could say the same thing about wanting to go home though once you have lived in it for a while.

If by "For a while" you mean "longer than you have in the other world" then perhaps you might have a point.

You can't just go and leave your wife and daughter behind just because you were "just" 15 years over there.

Abolish slavery.

Why would wanting to go back home be the only motivation with which a good story is possible.
Fantasy land may be worst then real life in most ways, but when writing a story you can just say the version of the real world the character comes from is a dystopian nightmare.
With very little effort you can plug the hole of "why would he want to stay there".

I mean, you shouldn't have a wife and child in the first place as long as a chance exists you might be able to get out of there.

>Why would wanting to go back home be the only motivation with which a good story is possible.
Because otherwise, the main character is a massive sociopath that cares nothing for the people around him.

And if he is from a dystopian nightmare, which they never are, then that should be reflected accordingly.

>Slice that cutie's throat
Why didn't that faggot off himself?

>hurr I just want to relax and do nothing in fantasy adventure land

Judge isekai
>If it's virtuous, give it your blessing and tell them to worship you
>If it's sinful, flood the entire world for seven days and seven nights

Fuck every cute girl.
>still no proper Rance TV anime

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Again, and you really need to stop trying to avoid this point, if you derive your behavior or morality from entertainment media you are the problem, not the moral message you imagine that media to embody.

So, throw your life away or at least waste several years and do nothing with possible commitments because there might be a chance to get back? If anyone back home loved you they'd tell you to not do that.

>Rance TV anime
>proper Rance
choose 1 and only 1

>And if he is from a dystopian nightmare, which they never are
Yeah, sure.

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>throw your life away
Trying to find a way back to your home is the exact opposite of doing that. Work on that, not building a fake little life in a fantasy world.

Easy. Sex for BD. Off screen rape. Erotic way.

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I don't derive my morality from entertainment. And even if you want to argue that neither does anybody else, then fine. But that still doesn't make the works themselves any less abhorrent.

>..they never are
Overlord did it
>if he doesn't want to go back he's a massive sociopath
many people move from their home country leaving behind friends and family for a batter life, are they sociopaths?
In most cases they justify it from that angle, most isekai characters did not live good lives before being reborn. Being in a new place with new people is how people irl will often try to turn a new page.

that's still not proper enough Rance

>Overlord did it.
Wasn't the MC just a random Japanese salary men in his past life?

>many people move from their home country leaving behind friends and family for a batter life, are they sociopaths?
There is a difference between moving to a different country. And literally going to a different dimension for the rest of your life.

>In most cases they justify it from that angle, most isekai characters did not live good lives before being reborn.
I'm aware of that. It's just that such a angle is complete garbage as well. Since in most cases, not leading a good live has nothing to do with the world you inhabit.

Can I assume my powerlevel is pretty high when I cant be bothered to name all of titles Ive read anymore?

Rance is mix of everything. Rape is part of it but fantasy/lore/characters can outweigh it easily.

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No, it's exactly that if you never manage it or it just takes too many years. You could have had a family but you didn't because you'd rather spend the rest of your life trying to get back home (where everyone will assume you're dead anyway). Also,
>not building a fake little life in a fantasy world
doesn't even apply in most cases since both the world as well as your life there are real.

>Wasn't the MC just a random Japanese salary men in his past life?
Yes, but not in the modern 21st century, you must be very retarded to think he somehow is. He is a salaryman in future Japan where the nuclear world war has turn most of Earth into unlivable hellholes and the rest of the world becomes a cyberpunk dystopia controlled by a totalitarian regime that disappears citizens whenever they like and enslaves the entire population. No sane person wants to return to such place.

Imagine being so much of an evangelical soccer mom in the 21st century that you think the downfall of conventional morality is tied to a sense of adventure in fantasy manga, not, say, every other mangaka wanting to fuck kids and throwing that into their products that they market to teens.

There are so many others just as good or better, and that one killed people.

Find a way back and then uncover your world secrets with your isekai power

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>killed people.
Everyone kills in isekai. I can't even remember a protag who kills no one.

The world of Overlord is explicitly stated to be fucked up in the LNs. It's ecologically fucked and the business culture grinds people into minced meat and there is little upward mobility.

I don't see the big difference between being dropped weird fantasy land and rural Russia. Yea, it sucks at first, but in a year or two you'd rather drink with Ivan whose sister likes you then go back to to the stressful life of an underpaid intern or whatever.

Just live life honestly. Given that most modern isekai protagonists are NEETs and losers the only thing that'd make sense in the context of the narrative would be for them to try to live a comfy life.

How did they have enough time and money to waste in a MMO then if it was that bad?
Also
> It's ecologically fucked and the business culture grinds people into minced meat and there is little upward mobility.
sounds like normal Japan

What would you do, Yea Forums?
I'd stay over there if it had magic and cute monster girls. This world is vile as hell.

Depends on the world. So as long as it fit my criteria i'd staty.Fuck this shithole, fuck my friends and family.

>try to live a comfy life.
So that one day the local noble/bandits can break into your house, kill you then rape your wife and daughters?

What wife and daughter? I'm with the bandits, senpai.

>How did they have enough time and money to waste in a MMO then if it was that bad?
You clearly didn't read enough dystopian fictions. The games is one of the tools the regime used to control and spy on the population. To play it, you literally need to connect your brain to the internet, which allows them to read your entire mind.

Do I get a cute ponkotsu dragon girl that loves chocolate? Because that'd be pretty great.

Fuck off Marche.

Yeah depends on the world. If it's high fantasy I will stay and become spacewizard. They don't know how laws works so with little practice in their magic you can create RKKVs for example. YOu can be big player

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The only reason to go back would bring more technology to the new world.

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Marry a nice girl, find a way to bring her back to Japan with you, then marry her and raise a family with many children.

That works for dystopian in general, but since the only information given in the post was that their economically fucked and grinded by their companies, I'll have to assume it would have to be worse than real life Japan to be called dystopian, which then leads to the question how they have money and especially time to waste in a MMO.

I mean sure, but it's still an absolutely terrible place to live and there's not really much stopping the Witch Cult or one of those legendary beasts killing everyone in their town.
Like shit, that fucking whale literally deletes the memory of you from everyone's minds as well as straight up erasing you.

Also, in the Rem IF in particular, Puck will kill a fuckload of people with his blizzard for however long it takes for Reinhard to come kill him.

Read the LN before bashing the work.

Won't she be deported? And if she manages to stay, won't she spread incurable isekai diseases to the world?

The VR MMO was escapism for the sake of avoiding the shitty real life. That was also stated.
The technology could have been cheap at that point. After all it was used by most people.

I'd stay to get away from people like you.

If I get cheat skills >>> try to become immortal supreme being
no cheat skills >>> inevitably die

They said that the members of his guild were whaling that game, I wouldn't expect that to be cheap.

They we're spending all their spare money on it in many cases. But that doesn't really say how much that money is worth outside the game. It doesn't imply they were well off or would have been well off if they didn't spend on the game.

Such defeatist thinking. If you aren't given cheat, just try to take it by any mean necessary.

It depends on how you get there. If you got there via magic circle, portal, strange animal, or device strapped to your real-world self's head, then yeah, it would kind of make sense to try getting back to your world. But that obviously isn't an option if your soul was whisked away to another world upon your death, as so many modern-day isekai protags are. You can't exactly cross time and space and undo the truck or random knife slasher or airplane crash or whatever... until you can, and by the time you become that powerful, you're usually swimming in wealth and pussy in the new world anyway, so why bother?

kumo

>What should the MC actually do in an isekai setting? Try to find a way back or learn how to survive in the new world?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women

Why hasn't anybody made an isekai where the main character breaks the world with meta knowledge rather then by having cheats?

>by the time you become that powerful, you're usually swimming in wealth and pussy in the new world anyway, so why bother?
Because after becoming a planetwalker who can tear off the fabric of space-time, ruling over just one world will become very boring and you will find new adventures in other worlds?

Actually study magic, because it is apearently possible to reach into universes without magic of their own.
Endgoal is to become a planeswalker and if that doesn't work simply learn more because magic is fucking dope.

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Possible a case of adaption decay, but I don't remember anything which would indicate he didn't come from good old regular Japan and wasn't just a normal salaryman.

There is one series where MC got sent into the world of an extremely bugged video game. He glitches his way out of everything.

Literally any fanfic.

>you're basically a refugee in medieval europe
So I can get free shit and rape the locals?

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Having meta-knowledge is a cheat. And it has been done.

Depends on the circumstances, If I'm to reborn in noble family and have plenty of time to learn the language, combat, magic while also having all the necessary tools then yeah I dont need the cheats.

>medieval europe
> free shit
Well, since shit is lying in the streets you might actually get that for free, but not much else.

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And if it's just the people, mass starvation.

Then you at most you will just become as strong as the strongest noble. But cheats are literally godly powers.

Earth can produce enough food to sustain several times of our population, isekai worlds tend to have less then 1 billion of people.

What happens if you get Isekai'd into a world with no major wars and no race crusades?

aka mongolia

No, I meant cheats as in special powers which quickly escalate the characters powerlevel. Example: powers that let you acquire other powers.

>implying we aren't already in an isekai

>no major wars and no race crusades?
so basically an island?

Producing that amount of food takes time, and distribution without the infrastructure isn't going to be as efficient.

I was implying more or less raiding

aren't most isekais just a world with a single continent and nothing but oceans?

>end up in fantasy world
>it sucks
>invent trucks
>get ran over by said trucks
>Repeat until world is to your liking
>?
>profit

that's because isekai writers are usually shitty world builders

Well, hope you got cheat powers since otherwise they'll beat you to a bloody plump.

They still commonly have multiple nations.

Master magic/alchemy for the soul purpose of becoming his ideal girl and then getting fucked senseless by her own automatons.

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Yeah, but if I can achieve immortality and there is the ability to cultivate strength infinitely then I still can become the supreme immortal being.

If offing yourself would reincarnate you into a random isekai world, would you do it?

You don't know if you're going to have magic or something special, do you think you could achieve a good life with your current knowledge?

>on the ISEKAI CONTINENT we have the greater empire of empire! and the kingdom of not-brittain! followed by the small kingdom that suffers defeat from the final boss and Rome somewhere on a safe zone

Yeah is shit.

>he thinks he can just fight peasants who posses bodies built up from working hard labor sun up to sun down every day

>Well, hope you got cheat powers since otherwise they'll beat you to a bloody plump
This is why you form a refugee rape gang with other iskai'd anons, ya dingus.

i'll be honest, if my life there was decidly better than the one I have now, and/or I have the ability to improve lives there on a grand scale (either through macguffin powers or just the fact that i can carry over 21st century knowledge) I feel that I have moral obligation to do so.

Of course, this world is boring as fuck and having a second chance is amazing.

How can a random noble achieve immortality by reading books in a common library?

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>peasants
They have malnutrition.

And risk having the local GS mistaken you for his usual targets?

key word there being medieval, meaning that you go and rape a girl, and as thanks you get beaten half to dead, and then a noose takes the other half

>with other iskai'd anons
>he thinks they'll just let him join the rape gang for free

That is just the beginning though, I can ask my noble parents to send me to some magic school where I have a huge headstart in terms of knowledge and experience over other children. Though I can only hope that I can get access to forbidden shit which tends to lead to immortality.

>get isekaid as a girl
>become a part of a harem
The idea is simple, so it was probably done before.

confirm slavery is legal, then trades elves for fun and profit

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If they have malnutrition, what the hell do you want to raid from them? They're peasant, you'd raid them to get food, which they obviously don't have.

>get isekaid as a girl
>get brutally fucked and eaten by an ogre.

they also fell trees, carry logs, lift animals, carry feed, work lumber, haul produce, herd animals, and carry stones. All while being under nourished.
Or what, you think you're stronger that the average teenage peasant, who is capable of doing all of the above?

>Gets isekai'd as the elf

>brutally fuck and eat an ogre

>get isekaid as a girl
>get brutally fucked and eaten by an ogre

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Become captains of industry... of killing.

>Though I can only hope that I can get access to forbidden shit which tends to lead to immortality.
Like how? Splitting your soul into seven pieces? Do you expect the school authority to not find out?

>what the hell do you want to raid from them
Village girls.

I have plenty of time before dying, I can surely gain enough respect and power to get access to it.

>Gets isekai'd as the elf
you win some you lose some

If I were isekai'd, I'd introduce mortgages, fractional reserve banking, female empowerment, LGBT pride parades, and multiculturalism to my new host world.

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More like they know our true power and how far our treachery goes. Would you trust a nation whose 4000 year history holds only 80 years of peace?

>putting coming of age in the same category as slice of life
You dont know what a coming of age story even is. Learn your fucking terms dipshit. If you cant enjoy a story about the development of a character after the age of 18, you might be autistic.

What if the isekai world turns out to be more powerful than all of Earth's powers?

Would it force every nation to unite in their decisions?

>Respected model student abusing his authority to learn forbidden magic
Geez, I wonder how it will end for you.

Unless your cheat is strong enough, they will hang you the first time you introduce the first degenerated shit.

that's an interesting point, imagine being the first guy to ever come up with the concept of a pyramid scheme, insurance and subsequently insurance fraud.

if you can flee fast enough, you could retire in six months

Just blend in to the locals. Enjoy the low-tech society and its magical workarounds, and live a healthy life of
like me land
me waif
me grog
´ate orks
´ate monsters
just don like em.
And then when orks start appearing with rudimentary firearms and spouting about rotational crop farming shit my pants and go full tech accelerationist before the greenshits conquer everything.
´ate that other isekai guy, just dont like im.

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>What if the isekai world turns out to be more powerful than all of Earth's powers?

colonialism 3: revenge of the natives

If it were me I'd be trying to get home. I can't leave my bros on Yea Forums behind.

They can't do that to one of God's chosen people.
Fraud is honestly the best way for a regular person to make money if they were isekai'd.

I can graduate and become the part of school authority though.

Sure you can, we understand you want to stay with your sex slave harem.

Fraud usually requires you to understand the people you want to get money from - you however know nothing about them.

Don't worry about us, just find a way to continue to post your experience here.

Take us with you! Our merry band can pillage and rape villages together!

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In Cop Craft connected isekai is quite strong.

>user gets isekaid
>suffers without Yea Forums shitposting
>manages to rebuild the internet via magical means and make the local Yea Forums

But pillage is prohibited by international laws. As responsible, educated adults we can't do that. On the contrary, we should try our best to civilize the local in the isekai world.

That would just be quantum leap user.

Personally, I would rape.

>won't she spread incurable isekai diseases to the world?
Yes. But if we're going to go into those kinds of arguments. Then I would like to point out that breeding with somebody from another world is impossible.

Based rapechad

>Japan gets nuked again.
>Salaryman still survive.
Japan really is a sad country.

The downfall of conventional morality was caused by the fact that such morality relies on the false premise of divine law existing. A sense of adventure in fantasy manga has nothing to do with it.

but that is also prohibited by international laws

remember what happened when they tried to civilize africa?

>I don't see the big difference between being dropped weird fantasy land and rural Russia
There isn't. But if you do poorly in Japan, even dystopia future japan, then you aren't going to be doing any better in either.

No. You fucking weirdo.

Rape the fairy who cures you from leper.

>what happened when they tried to civilize africa?
They made it somehow livable for a while until the locals ruined everything? But at the very least, they live in buildings now instead of huts.
Anyway, I mean real civilization, like what happened to Germany and Japan.

>They made it somehow livable for a while until the locals ruined everything?
>This is what colonialists actually believe.

No, because you can always do it later.

Priorities are:
>Find a stable daily routine (if I can eat, sleep, and slack off for a whole day, that's stable enough)
>THEN look into interdimensional travel
>Bring close family and friends over, see if they enjoy the new world better than the old
>if yes, I'm gonna open up a business on the new rift node
>if no, then I'll just travel to an even better world and try again (if it happened once, it can happen again)
A new world means new resources.

>get isekaid as a girl to the plains of ogre
>one of them tries to rape then eat you but you are too strong
>beat into submission and then fuck every ogre chieftain, become ogre queen with an ogre harem

are you talking about a specific anime, or did you just invent that story?

>become ogre queen with an ogre harem
>decide being in charge is fun
>begin taking over the world
>it's suprisingly easy
>you are now BBEG
>some random schmuck gets isekai'd assembles a squad of unlikely heroes who overthrow you

>become a part of his harem as he conquers more kingdoms of similar previously isekaid strong female fighters, but he won't actually fuck any of them because they're tainted with monster dick, so really it's more like you're still captive nobles each with your own entourage
>trade an ogre shaman who displeased or insulted you to a different queen in exchange for a tentacle monster who was too gentle and loving for her tastes
I feel like I've found a way to engage the female hentai audience

>superpowers and maybe some pussy
Superpowers and guaranteed pussy, cuz, you know: superpowers and slaves.
The stuff you mentioned is overrated anyway I live in shithole with all the stuff from 2nd part of list and used to live in small firewood-heated rural house for years in my childhood so 1st part doesn't scare me either.

I would also very much like hands on-job where I can see tangible results of my work like dead fucking monsters or heap of gathered healing herbs compared to vague sense of emptiness I get for clocking IT tasks and getting electronic shoulder pat from manager.
Not him but there's actually a point, I used to schedule my faps days apart and fill the gaps with interesting /out/side stuff because when you jack off every day you kinda lose motivation to do anyuthing else, down to even consume any kind of entertainment media. That looks and feels a lot like being a junkie.

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>don't make bonds with anything because you may have a chance to leave
>if you aren't a sociopath in the other world you're a sociopath in the real one
ebin user

Women, in general, do not like to read stories where they get raped by ugly shit, if you make ogres look handsome then it might work.

This seems like Yea Forumsnons are going full Drow matriarchy.

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Oh! Is that
>Earth relative and friends over Isekai superpowers and harem of monstergirls
retarded user again?

I remember him getting his ass handed to him by other anons.

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The ogres will of course all be tall lanky faggots pretending to read fashionably small books and wearing pointless scarves, and if you read carefully she's the one who's doing any raping that may come.
Except the one at the top is some dumb spiky hair shonen protagonist with an edgy smile so women can have the pleasure of relating to a character "dealing with this punk tyrant and being held down by him".

Handsome and rich, especially rich

>"people are trained never to read and think"
>"muh capitalism, money made things less meaningful"
Pottery.

>And if he is from a dystopian nightmare
Do I need to post my payload of wageslave MC isekai manga again? Because I remember last time you didn't answer any of them: MC almost always has shit life IRL or dies to divine intervention so his isekai is imposed divine will.

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Imperialist colonization is really just manual isekai when you think about it

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>then you aren't going to be doing any better in either.
But that's what isekai cheats are for.

>I could die, but I could never just quit
This mass delusion is sort of like how westerners want to force other people to pay for their life-saving ultra-expensive treatments because it would be "dishonorable" to just ask other people they know for help. Death before career change, theft before humility, ah the wretched ignorance of man.

I spotted the Yea Forumstard

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MOOT!

You really think most people will help with medical bills?

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>I could die, but I could never just quit
>Dishonorable
He's Japanese retard they have blind spot for quitting and letting companies compete for better work ethics and labor conditions.
Company = family and you don't let your family down.
This mentality being widespread and deeply rooted means that one individual seeking better employment would have a damn hard time finding one because hey, other faggots are fine doing black jobs why aren't you? Get the fuck out we won't hire you the next Suzuki in line is willing to work 14 hour shifts with 4 weekends a year and stay the night during releases.

Some have extremely sad or unlucky circumstances on Earth outside of their control: Overlord, Man Picked Up By Gods etc. where MC truly suffered in their original world and isekai is objectively their paradise.

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fpbp

Who?

Will to overpower an ogre, brah.

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are you saying that africa is an objectively more prosperous place than 69 years ago?

are you implying that the progress it has made in two generations is anything other than laughable?

You might have to ask...more than one person, even. The point is, everyone's too noble and keeps it "just in the family" until it comes time to vote for strangers to have to pay for their shit at gunpoint after they gave themselves terminal diabeetus, at which point it's "just the decent thing to do in a modern civilization". But if they don't get it, they'd rather die than ask for help directly because they have such inflated egos and distorted morals.
I know. I was commentating on that exact phenomenon, so the retard is you. You exaggerate the inability to find jobs with competitors, though.

Would an orcess waifu be willing to do whatever kinky stuff you wanted, or too shy and honorable?

I mean they're using some sort of e-currency through smartphones because their hard currency all went to shit and are skipping landlines to cells and renewable solar energy in autonomous communities, so.
I'd give it another 20 years.

>are you saying that africa is an objectively more prosperous place than 69 years ago?
Yes... ish. It depends on the country, really.

>are you implying that the progress it has made in two generations is anything other than laughable?
By the standards of Africa? It's something.

She'd be willing to do whatever kinky stuff she wants and you're not going to stop her

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They're also still eating each other in other autonomous communities. You'll notice the successful ones more closely resemble pre-faggotry colonial Western societies in the way they think, act, speak and conduct themselves.

Bad writing is a problem, not a excuse.

Dropped, I'm not submissive

Hey, progress motivation is hard when you're not freezing to death and food grows on the roadside year round, even if there are all sort of diseases, parasites and aids.
>Bad writing is a problem
That's not a writing problem that's premise and part of isekai purpose: escapism for nip wageslaves and inadvertently for me too.
If I wanted to read about MC struggling and tragically failing I'd turn off PC sit in the corner and recount my life experience to date.

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How would you do if transported into a completely different country? The answer is "poorly". Unless you want a suffering series, you need to add cheats.

Not him but IRL as a ESL IT monkey I'm pretty confident I won't starve, provided they won't deport my ass, so
If there's no market for IT I'm fucked, yes

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Now I want an isekai about the golem programming.

the modern world in Overlord seriously is the worst possible kind of future we could actually end up in... I even think it might be worse than what Blade Runner portrayed

I think there's like three: Magic Meister and the one with flying castle.

An isekai about pre-war Uzer would be so amazing, especially if instead of JRPG guild autism it just had the protagonists getting laughed at for their wc level being 32.

kek
it's the only life they know nowdays

>nip cyberpunk is 10 times more ruthless than genre original
Who would've thought that lack of care for individual lives in favor of collective would be blown out of proportion by technologies?

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Listen up.
SPACE isekai.

>That's not a writing problem that's premise and part of isekai purpose
Then the premise is bad and Isekai's purpose is fraud.

>How would you do if transported into a completely different country?
Depends on the country.

>The answer is "poorly". Unless you want a suffering series, you need to add cheats.
The answer does not have to be poorly. Sometimes, when faced with adversity, people can actually do well. The reason why "trapped in another world" works as a premise is because of that conflict. Relying on cheats instead of just having the main character be capable is not just bad writing, it's lazy as well.

Dunbine

oh, you will be, user... you. will. be.

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Anime version of Tiger! Tiger!

Easy there Goldilocks, think your face is melting.

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too obvious bait, you faggot

>Then the premise is bad and Isekai's purpose is fraud.
>isekai is bad
Why are you here? Did you not know that isekai is escapism before you were told that here?

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>Why are you here?
To complain about Isekai being shit, obviously.

>Did you not know that isekai is escapism before you were told that here?
Bad modern isekai is escapism. Good Isekai is about adversity.

>escapism is bad
shut up, Marche

>Good Isekai
Name ten so I can laugh
>is about adversity.
t shounenfag

What is the opposite of escapism? Remainism?

Submission and the continual effort to blend in as much as possible and have a Social Credit Score of B+.

Probably Yea Forums want serious thought provoking anime like Fate/Zero.

its called forcing your crippled brother to go back to reality instead of staying in a fantasy world where he can walk

Genetic and other losers entering a rigged social game where scoreboard leaders are all pedosatanists just to serve as contrast to more successful Players.
How dare they choose not to play? They devalue the Game by not participating and as an extension - normalfag efforts!

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Finding a gate to a fantasy isekai through space exploration. They opened a gate to a new world into this universe, but are still relying on only magic and gods.

Marche did nothing wrong.

Alice in Wonderland. Wizard of Oz. Touhou(Only in the backstory, but whatever). Chronicles of Narnia. The Last Starfighter. Digimon. Spirited Away. Labyrinth. Coraline. Final Fantasy 10. Jak and Daxter.

>t shounenfag
Imagine being a genre so shit, that most shounen have better writing.

>What should the MC actually do in an isekai setting?
Whatever they please to do.

>Try to find a way back or learn how to survive in the new world?
Whatever they want.

Here is what I would do:
See if anyone speaks my language. If no one speaks my language, I flip a coin. I either try to find find work as a farm hand through miming - hopefully they have a small child that I can teach my language, or become a mountain man and recreate civilization for myself. If someone speaks my language, then:
I find out if there is magic. I try to find if I have magic. If I lack magic, then I try to find the ruler and make a deal: I will give them military and domestic technology in exchange for a title, ownership of 1500 square miles, an independent nation 250 square miles, virgins, eunuch guards, apprentices, and all the resources I require in order to make the technology. I warn him that it will require many tons of paper.
In exchange for my modest request I give them: germ theory, atomic theory, the important bits of the periodic table, spelling reform to match how I spell, the printing press, the vernier scale, the steam engine, the three-plate method, trigonometry, windmills, band theory, molecular theory, gear boxes, bicycles, material science, the ballista, the trebuchet, the block and tackle, the pendulum clock, the roller bearing, the screw lathe, the pantograph, physics, engineering, water purification, nitre beds, slide rules, rubber, biofuel, coking, nitration, chemical engineering, electricity, socks, the sewing machine, the treadle, the thermometer, radio, encryption, computers, guns, TTT charts, phase diagrams, metalography, continuous distillation, pencils, sulphuric acid, fishing reels, fire arrestors, guncotton, shaped charges, flying machines, batteries, cartridges, xantham gum, refrigerators, ice machines, analytical chemistry, gyroscopes, acetone fermentation, acetate sheets, moving pictures, cotton-paper money, reduction lathe, and beyblades.

Becoming a revolutionary and overthrowing the system.

>Missing the entire point of why him staying was bad.

Yeah, because NEETs are the last people you'd expect to be pedo satanists.
Face it, normalfags and the "great middle" contains most of the value in humankind.

Then you're on a wrong board faggot. Imagine willingly participating in discussion of things you don't even like. Imagine how retarded this is.
>NEETS
>satanists
You need to buy orphan child cartridges for satanism printer to work user

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subarashi

>overthrowing the system
Democracy doesn't work with magic and levels in the picture. It only works when people are all roughly equal and majority can protect it's interests against smaller groups or individuals, who are too have to rely on numbers for influence.

It all goes down the drain when sole DnD lvl 20 Wizard enters the equation.

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>Becoming a revolutionary and overthrowing the system.
This doesn't work. You're no one and have no weight. Your decisions and voice don't matter. You're error.

Fatalism. If the world seems unchangeable, you simply say it can't be helped.

I would wait till i'm an old man on the brink of death and just kill myself.

I think a homogenous city-state could maintain democratic republic even with overpowered individuals, as long as voting rights are tightly controlled. If republics of old and modern could survive while containing individuals who have half the nations wealth in their direct control, so could if that individual could shoot a few fireballs.

Pretty sure a cheat would give your opinions a lot of weight.

That's why you should try and overthrow the system in this world, not a might makes right isekai one.

That's what people in 1789 thought as well. Then heads started rolling.

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This, maybe having a guaranteed redo would help take some of the existential anxiety off my mind too.
I would spend my free time on Earth learning Primitive Technology, industrial know-hows and learning applied skills like farming, smithery etc.

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oh you naive faggot, whose fault do you think it is that the constitution is ignored in favor of case law, and that the letter of the law is ignored in favor of (((activism)))?

>it can't be helped
IT CAN BE HELPED

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And that revolution was backed by rich merchants and masonry, it didnt come because a single hobo got offended at Mary Antoinette for not sharing cake.

>That's why you should try and overthrow the system in this world
I mean if your magical shit works back on Earth, which why would it if locals require child sacrifices to fuel it.

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Because america is neither homogeneous, nor a city state. Too large and too diverse to be it.

Most republics didn't survive

Most of them.

Neither do any other forms of government.

Discontent with the system exists in large amounts, user. Otherwise, crap like Isekai wouldn't exist.

>people
See. People. They're not hivemind. You're not "people". Solipsism is not real. You're error and revolution can happens without your presence, or not happens without your presence. You don't affect anything. You're not group. If you die right now I will not even notice your existence. No one will notice. Only big players, can affect other things. Someone with weight

There is no such thing as a person with weight. Nobody is special, and everybody can be replaced. So, you should act regardless of your own complete lack of unimportance.

The US is already spending tonnes of money on defence. Someone might as well get some benefit out of it.

... It started in 1803 my dude. All because one faggot was upset that he didn't get power that he was not legally entitled to.
We're talking 6 million people. 3-6 of which were faggots that ruined everything.

Yes

This. Fuck hitler.

>Nobody is special

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>no such thing as a person with weight.
Connections are weight retard.
>everybody can be replaced
Not if people you want to replace and people authorized to replace them wash each other back retard.
>you should act regardless
How about you go do that? Why would I fuck myself over bleak prospects of change?
>regardless of your own complete lack of unimportance.
You fucked that up too retard it's "complete lack of importance"

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Still not a good track record for the city-state republics.

Is there an isekai chart of some shit for recommendations for garbage to read for sad, worthless piece of shit people who want to read sad, worthless garbage? Could use one of those.

LOTM had that recently
Klein got over it pretty fast tough thanks to a magical psychiatrist

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That's any isekai out there normalfags content with their social status don't read escapism.

Not wishing for the life of another but enjoying yours to the upmost of your own personal ability.

6,000,000 (actually 5.8 million) is the population of America in 1803. Hitler is bad because he legitimized the communist FDR regime that starved and tortured Americans for refusing to give up their property.

>how he will never get to meet his family and friends ever again
Most MC don't have a choice in isekai and are forced by Gods.
Some don't have families.
Some have shit families they hate for objective reasons like picrelated.
Most explicitly say that they didn't have anything in their life but work so it's no biggie to isekai.
Sure they might've been able to socialize with their relatives if they wanted to but it takes two to tango if you wageslave for decades and nobody botheres to call you - you probably won't miss that family anyway.

But some MC are outright psychos you're right. Those are the most entertaining to read too if written properly.

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Normalfags read or watch escapist works. They just don't self insert.

Greek city states and Republic Rome are considered foundations of western golden age. Tho they all collapsed later on, the system these provided allowed for later west to flourish.

>upmost of your own personal ability
>flow down the life like a shit into comfortable remote employment
>go hikki
Running at a capacity over here pal

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They have eyes but can't see Mount Tai

FDR was a compromise since america at that time was threathened by both Father Caughlin from right populist, and Huey Long from populist left. Nobody in america cared about the property rights of big business.

Those stories that romanticize being a wagecuck and try to claim a mediocre and worthless life as another cog in the machine is the greatest thing ever.
It call it "copeism".

Some people able to influence others. Can get weight. Become big players fast. Or was born already with weight. Connections. When cannon fodder (one of 10k) say "Rin is best girl because blah blah blah" no one will care. But when someone with weight say "Rin is best girl because blah blah blah" he can influence those 10k to think Rin is best girl.

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>Or was born already with weight
My mom always says that about me.

>he can influence those 10k
Fucking normalfag sheeple I swear to God all of you should be deported to outer space without spacesuit.

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>Connections are weight retard.
No, connections are circumstances. They have nothing to do with you as a person.

>Not if people you want to replace and people authorized to replace them wash each other back retard.
That has nothing to with them as individuals.

>How about you go do that?
I'm trying.

>Why would I fuck myself over bleak prospects of change?
Because it's the only way change can happen.

Could have just as easily been somebody else. Only the result of circumstances, not the person herself.

Western rebirth also started from the Italian city-states,.

>Some people able to influence others. Can get weight. Become big players fast
That still doesn't change the fact that they could have just as easily been replaced by somebody else. Being good at something does not make you special, there are literally millions of people just as good as you at something.

learn some of their customs survive and obtain some magical shit . then bring it to your home world along with some expeditionary forces and invade . become a level 36 cashier who is cross classed with a level 18 abomination of the sky

>They have nothing to do with you as a person.
>building connections have nothing to do with a person
Ok retard
>That has nothing to with them as individuals.
>They're not in that position because they're backstabbiest scum there is
Ok retard
>I'm trying.
>Alive and free enough to have internet access
Ok retard
>Because it's the only way change can happen.
>suffer for the bright future you would never live to see
Ok retard

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In Grimgar they pretty much have no choice. They're thrown into the world with wiped memories and instantly shoved into adventuring.

If we're talking any isekai in the last 10 years, then the MC should stop being such a beta fag and fuck the girls who want the D.

What does the "person herself" even mean? Some unique soul? Because otherwise a person is defined by the genes and upbringing.

Why does is matter if other people could have done it? If they didn't and that guy did then he becomes special.
What kind of faggot defeatist mentality is that?

>building connections have nothing to do with a person
Millions of people could have formed those same connections.

>They're not in that position because they're backstabbiest scum there is
Millions of people are just as backstubby.

>Alive and free enough to have internet access
Well, duh. No reason to make a move yet.

>suffer for the bright future you would never live to see
Beats watching Isekai.

>Being good at something does not make you special
Genetically speaking it makes you an individual with exceptional traits. Sure world knows no universally OP humans but some are better than others in certain fields and if you look hard enough you WILL find objectively best one for the task even if he'd be 0.00000005% ahead of the 2nd best one.

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>No, connections are circumstances. They have nothing to do with you as a person.
Maybe when you first meet them, sure. Do you not have to put in some effort to keep them from breaking it off on their whim?

Hey if that's what works for you then go for it.

>Millions of people could have formed those same connections.
Tell that to autists on this board.
>Millions of people are just as backstubby.
Objectively wrong some are too apathetic or emphathetic to backstab for profit
>Well, duh. No reason to make a move yet.
But you should act regardless that's your words faggot
>Beats watching Isekai.
This post gave me objectivity. Why do you assume it's better for anyone?

>steel being so low.
But Iron, cold iron, is the master of them all.

Some people don't fulfill the human desire to create because they don't see the purpose in building a gun when they can buy one. They see things too much in terms of the end result of functionality. The purpose of creation is the affirmation of ones' ability and the result of one's unique design. Basically, normal/sane people are not hedonists/nihilists and cuck 'hobbies' like meditation that do nothing require self delusion to seem appealing.
And this is coming from an autist that understands every single one of marx's tenents was 'because I said so' nonsensical faggotry used to justify control.

>What does the "person herself" even mean?
A individual.

It matters because there is nothing special about anybody. Like you said, all that matters is that they did something.

A sacrifice for the minotaur.

Working on one. Focus is on the post-isekai healing after having a rough isekai, but there are some consequences for coming back being OP and all.

>Or even the after-isekai story?
>There aren't enough of those.
Well, you're in luck. Soon-ish.

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>A individual.
The same question for this term.

You can boil all of history to "something somewhere sometime". In hindsight, it really isn't special. But at the crossroads, that's where it matters.

Honestly I would be less worried about not meeting my family and friends again and more worried about them finding all the weeb porn in my computer.

>meditation
But have you ever tried it? It's quite pleasurable. I'd say at the same level of massage session or pool swim. Downside it requires daily practice.

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People trying to emulate Leyendecker style but there is still no second coming on Leyendecker. People trying to emulate Old Masters. They able to reach technique but themes and everything is completely different.

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Being a individual with traits that make you the best at something does not make you special either.

>Do you not have to put in some effort to keep them from breaking it off on their whim?
Yes. But if that works or does not work also has nothing to do with you as a individual.

Even the poster child of the Greek city states, Athens, had a failed democracy, and after a brief amount of dictatorship made a system which is based on lots since voting was considered flawed by principle. That was unique and somewhat stable, but not really an example of democratic republics.
Roman Republic collapsed under its own weight and turned into a dictatorship as well, though in this case the Republic was stable for a long enough time so it's saying something. However, the Roman Republic was constantly at wars, including civil wars, so I have to deduct some points from stability.

Fuck off with your fanfics Yea Forums isn't a place for it.
I will read it on RR if it's interesting and you don't drop it 15 chapters in.

rape was never illegal till the modern age, the lynchings only came from pissing off one family from a tightly knit village

>Tell that to autists on this board.
I am.

>Objectively wrong some are too apathetic or emphathetic to backstab for profit
That still leaves millions that are.

>But you should act regardless that's your words faggot
I am. Just not in a stupid way.

>best at something does not make you special either
Ok retard.

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/special

That would improve almost every one of them too. And if it's the manga adaptations, show more than just a page.

A set of traits and genes, shaped by their experiences.

The crossroad, however, is always shaped by circumstances. It's the situation, not the individual, that gives you importance.

I know for sure that you in particular won't ever read it, though. Just a hunch from your reaction last thread.
Genuinely, however, I thank you for your initial interest.

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Not a argument.

There are no humans that match this definition.

I meant more after stories continuing after the main plot of an existing isekai ended

>I am.
Then you're fucking wrong retard
>Millions of people could have formed those same connections.
Some literally cannot due to organic damage to brain.
>That still leaves millions that are.
Millions out of 7 billions? That's difference in order of magnitude are you fucking retarded?
>I am. Just not in a stupid way.
Let me guess you're telling others to act online?
Fucking disgrace to Resistance

Are there any isekais where the MC ends up finding a way back to Earth while retaining their powers?

>won't ever read it
I won't if you sink early or if it never gets into trending.
Damascus Steel blacksmiths.
Starlite inventor.
Tesla.
Fuck off retard.

Are you Entropy worshiper?

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>Then you're fucking wrong retard
You're reason for that being...?

>Some literally cannot due to organic damage to brain.
Still leaves countless that could.

>Millions out of 7 billions?
Probably more, but yes.

>Let me guess you're telling others to act online?
No. But I do try to be a activist.

Isekai Ojisan, Mahou Okuretai, ton of others

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Even if they don't have the option it's still a bit of an issue they can just shrug it off so nonchalantly

Be chad MC, Acquire harem, spec everything into stamina so I can fuck each member of my harem daily without getting tired or running dry. Fuck the kingdoms queen, princess's etc. Basically Rance without the rape.

You, I, some genius and some royalty member obviously have different genes/circumstances/experiences, so I don't get what are you implying.

>Damascus Steel blacksmiths.
Knowing a neat recipe does not make you special.

>Tesla.
Right place at the right time.

>Starlite inventor.
Somebody else would have figured it out eventually.

No. I just think the idea that some people are special is nonsense.

The things that shape you as a person are not why a great person is great. A great person is great because of the circumstances forced upon them.

>you will never have a tsundere half-demon scottish girlfriend

>There are no humans that match this definition.
Grigori Perelman

>Shrug it off
They're usually told they're died to God fuckup and that their transfer to another world is non-negotiable in some cases they're allowed to pick cheats.

You're also forgetting that most of them DIE to truck or other reasons before isekai.
It's like John Snow and Night Watch: their duty to family and friends was paid with their death what would you have them do teleport into non-magic world in a different body to say "Hey I've reincarnated how are you guys doing?" to people who probably mourned and buried you?
>Knowing a neat recipe does not make you special.
It does if you figured it out yourself and you're sole holder of that knowledge. Quite literally.
>Somebody else would have figured it out eventually.
Well until then he's special retard

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>Knowing a neat recipe does not make you special.
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/special

>I won't if you sink early or if it never gets into trending.
No, it's that you've told me to fuck off enough times I got the message whatever my particular isekai would be about, you would avoid it on principle.

>A great person is great because of the circumstances forced upon them.
It's a mix of nature and nurture, with nature defining rates & limits and nurture defining utilization and you're a retard for denying it.

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If you are born in african village, you will become a good hunter at most. Better success requires such an improbable luck that isekai cheats are pretty comparable to it.

Oooh, I'd at least read 10 pages to feel content when giving you 1 star.

>Sure world knows no universally OP humans but some are better than others in certain fields and if you look hard enough you WILL find objectively best one for the task even if he'd be 0.00000005% ahead of the 2nd best one.
This. Hero, Archimedes, Galileo, Volta, maxwell, joule, van levenhooke, thomson, maudslay, jefferson, franklin, that swede that invented gauge blocks, haber, mendelev, bosch, generic arab #24 that is falsely credited with the creation of something someone else made because he translated it into arabic and the record persists, euclid, newton, faraday, ctesibius, kinda sorta ptolemy, John Moses Browning, Gattling, Maxim Sr, Maxim Jr, The other Maxim Sr (yes he was related), Whitney, etc
There are hundreds/dozens of thousands of men every generation who are the best minds in the world, it's not the best or the brightest that leave their mark, it's those that actually do so.

Average isekai lads with a human level IQ (125 or more) already know what they need to do to leave those marks and how to do them.

I really do just miss the sense of purpose and goals in these things. Everything to blase and the heroes are too quick to just plop down in StartingVille and never actually quest. Used to be you get zapped to Fantasy Land and there was some big purpose. "Hey you, girls from another world go save our princess if you want to go home. Along the way get some character development and learn harsh secrets." That's a story. There's no slackers content to just bum around trying to force Japanisms. You send the reader/viewer to a world where anything is possible and then you don't show them anything at all.

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user probably read about fatalism/predeterminism on wiki so he larping as "special" denier

>However, the Roman Republic was constantly at wars, including civil wars, so I have to deduct some points from stability.
So was the kingdom that came before, and the Empire that came after. And that is not even comparing it to the barbarity that came from the collapse and remergence of barbarian kings in europe.

All systems die, if not by some more powerful enemy, then by their own parasitism that cripples and destroys it after 10 or so generations of exchange of power.

But the original point was that can democracy exist in fantasy world of overpowered individuals, and i think it can, provided the granting of vote is not retarded.

>Average isekai lads with a human level IQ (125 or more) already know what they need to do to leave those marks and how to do them.
127 and I'd leave litter of descendants at most.

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God i want a real good war story of NATO troops invading some dumb backwater isekai shithole with Paladin Horowitzers and ICBMs. Like Gate only more conquering through weapons and no political bullshit, i want to see roman era soldiers getting fucking PTSD...
God i just wnat the old GATE before it turned gay...

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>It does if you figured it out yourself and you're sole holder of that knowledge
Nobody was the sole holder of that knowledge. And we can make better weapons nowadays anyway.

Still doesn't match the definition you give.

And maybe include some different body types.

Again, nature and nurture has nothing to do with somebody becoming great. Like this other user pointed out , circumstances and luck are always more important in determining if somebody is great and important.

>How would you do if transported into a completely different country? The answer is "poorly".

categorically wrong. I have an education, and whilst the paperwork won't do me any good anymore I still have the practical knowledge and experience, I speak three languages so chances i'll find someone i can communicate with are decent. now add in the fact that in the cliche, you're dropped in a world that is about 600 years back socially and technogically. so let's say i get dropped into some city in the middle east and magically can't go home.
I don't need to speak arabic to work in a welding shop or herd goats, and once i have learned arabic through immersion, give it a year and half, I can get up on my own, find a nice hut and convince some old fart to marry his daughter out to me, start my own shop, make a family and live a happy live. fuck, if i can afford to move to a bigger city i might even get into higher education, get a degree in business and retire when i'm 56 with three kids and a nice car

>Average isekai lads with a human level IQ (125 or more)
>less than 5% of the human population is actually human
Huh

That kind of conquest should be used to explore the world more instead of focusing on the main human empire.

>especially great or important, or having a quality that most similar things or people do not have

And my point is that there is no historic evidence that democratic republics are any more stable if they're confined to city-states. Which was a point you made earlier. Your system can work for a while, but it's still doomed to fail sooner or later.

>Again, nature and nurture has nothing to do with somebody becoming great
Well that's just fucking wrong is all

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source?

Oops I accidentally dropped my reality diagram.

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if we're talking generic space adventure in the same way normal isekai is generic fantasy world

sign me the fuck up

>Again, nature and nurture has nothing to do with somebody becoming great
Grigori Perelman

Sounds incredibly boring

>tfw white but with a clinically tested sub-100 IQ
Damn

All these men had institutions that would preserve, promote and make use of their discoveries. There have been brilliantly born men throughout history but only the right brain in the right situation allowed for scientific advancement. Knowing that gunpowder can be pretty fucking neato does you little good without access to guano, or a empire that is wide enough to provide and make use of all your knowledge.

That regular human will have to fund an institution from scratch, or take over a semi-similar one to the previously known one to even make minimal use of his knowledge.

*these are US distributions, native black and hispanic distributions are shifted far to the left because they are not mixed

>especially great or important,
Nobody is great or important.

>or having a quality that most similar things or people do not have
Enough people have that same quality or trait.

There's Russian GATE fanfic with buffed magic, better harem members development that ends at Italica joint defense. Overall russians troops act the same as nips in isekai only use more tanks, govt also supresses all information about GATE and it discovered to be both magical artifact on isekai side and some black site soviet cold war era R&D so no Gods involved. People on Earth around the GATE also gain magic powers.
Not a fan pf russian isekai but I liked this one.

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IQ is circumstances.

For you.
wants to be a commoner

>without access to guano
if only the ancient world knew of piss salts... Oh wait.

ooh looks promising

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No, it isn't. You can be born with the most amazing genes and have the best upbringing in the world. Still going to mean jack shit if you grow up in a dirt poor african village.

>Thinking IQ is not the result of circumstances.

IQ is genetic. If you use your meaning of circumstance then literally everything is circumstances. Definitions that don't provide utility are trash.

and uplifting those poor catgirls, from slave status to proper wife material

>especially great or important, or having a quality that most similar things or people do not have
>or people
???
>dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/important
>lexico.com/en/definition/important
???

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>Was born in Leníngrad rather than Siberia.

Again, there is no trait that most people do not have. You can exceed at something, but even then there are still millions of people that could replace you just as easily.

>Still going to mean jack shit if you grow up in a dirt poor african village.
You know... there once was a group of people with superior genetics in Africa, who were as dirt poor as the africans. They were called the Boers. There was another group known as the Rhodesians. These two groups of people created the greatest civilizations Africa had ever seen from scratch.

You're helping his argument user...

>You can be born with the most amazing genes and have the best upbringing in the world. Still going to mean jack shit if you grow up in a dirt poor african village.
>with nature defining rates & limits and nurture defining utilization and you're a retard for denying it.

Thanks for agreeing with me retard.

aquire a harem of cute girls and proceed to not fuck them

alternatively, proceed to fuck the worst girl

how about: MC finds out that the isekai world doesnt really have magic but was a fallen high tech empire that regressed into the middle ages with high tech ruins n shit

>Again, there is no trait that most people do not have.
lexico.com/en/definition/important
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/special

You just ignore definition of "special" and "important" right. You're cornered and just repeat same shit. Not so fast.

>millions of people that could replace you just as easily.
Not if you're IQ 300 or 7'5" 1500lbs bench press strongman there aren't.
That'd made you best at certain stuff, literally making you special and it was genetic lottery that did most of the work for you.

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Any of them who could make it across the gate would have a great life, especially the first ones. The prostitutes would be rich. There really wasn't enough catgirl sex shown in the series.

The reasons why they were able to accomplish such a feat are many. But none of them have anything to do with those people being "great".

I'm denying that the kind of person you are determines your importance. Not that nature and nurture is a thing.

>The reasons why they were able to accomplish such a feat are many.
Knowledge is certainly one. But more important is a human level IQ.

>But none of them have anything to do with those people being "great".
You're right. But it has everything to do with them being absurdly great compared to the native population.

>rich prostitutes
Imagine healing Steve Jobs cancer with magic
>importance
=value so it Is where people put it so subjective sure. That has nothing to do with unique abilities of objectively smartest or strongest humans there is. They're special solely through the virtue of being capable of feats no one else can pull off.

>1.1(of a person) having high rank or status.
This is the result of circumstances, not who you are.

>not ordinary or usual:
All humans are ordinary by nature.

>especially great or important
People are not great or important.

>or having a quality that most similar things or people do not have:
There is not a single quality that millions of other people do not have. Even if you are "the best" at something, which you can't measure anyway, then that still doesn't change the fact that you could be replaced just as easily by a million other people.

Healing magic probably isn't that advanced until after someone like Lelei starts studying.

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Those people don't exist. And even if they did, wouldn't change the fact that they only got success because of their situation.

>Knowledge is certainly one. But more important is a human level IQ.
No, it's economic circumstances created by human and natural developments outside their control.

>But it has everything to do with them being absurdly great compared to the native population.
Nope. If they had died, somebody else would have done the same thing.

Isekai but the main character is jesus

Again though. There is no feat that only one human can pull off. The only thing that does exist are feats that only one person HAD to pull off.

Please stop shitposting. You're playing the "because I said so" definition game, where you define your terms absurdly to high the fact that your argument is shit. It's annoying.

I'm not shitposting. I have yet to hear a single valid argument against my claim.

so its kinda a drifters thing? or more like a eternal savior(EMIYA) kinda business that as soon as he dies and gets resurrected(?) he goes to a new world in need of him?

Isn't that just the real world?

>If they had died, somebody else would have done the same thing.
worth a few cents... This happened because someone else tried to do the same thing.

>No, it's economic circumstances created by human and natural developments outside their control.
So even when they do the work themselves, it is outside of their control... Stop being an apologist.

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>Those people don't exist
guinnessworldrecords.com/
>wouldn't change the fact that they only got success because of their situation.
>I'm denying that the kind of person you are determines your importance. Not that nature and nurture is a thing.

Why did you start denying it now?

In a fantasy world Jesus would just be a mid-level wizard with a couple powerful priest spells.

>God: Should I reincarnate the police officer who took a bullet in the line of duty? How about that fire fighter who was crushed in a burning building saving a child? Why not a doctor who was killed in a bombing while visiting a poor natio...
>GOD, SIR! A WORTHLESS SHUT IN NEET WAS JUST HIT BY A CAR ON HIS WAY TO BY A NEW PORN GAME!
>God: PERFECT!

You define circumstance so boradly that ist means whatever you want it to. That person saved their money becuase of circumstance. They invested it because of circumstance. They studied because of circumstance. They invented something because of circumstance. They were tall because of circumstance. They were their parent's child because of circumstance.
You're literally using circumstance in place of a deterministic fate.

>This happened because someone else tried to do the same thing.
No, it happened because of historical circumstances outside the control of the individuals that attempted to found a nation.

>So even when they do the work themselves, it is outside of their contro
Somebody would have done the work.

>guinnessworldrecords.com/
>Records.
Somebody else would hold the record.

>Why did you start denying it now?
I'm not. Nature and nurture existing does not change anything.

Try harder my friend. First you claimed about Damascus Steel blacksmiths.
>Knowing a neat recipe does not make you special.
However
>special
>especially great or important, or having a quality that most similar things or people do not have:
Knowledge of recipe makes them special, Next you tried
>Nobody is great or important.
Hover there is example
>of great value, meaning, or effect:
>Important also means having great influence:
>an important modern artist
and
>(of a person) having high rank or status.
>"an important senator"
>significantly original and influential.
>"writers as important as Hopkins"
Humans can be important. Fact. Damascus Steel blacksmiths are special. The're important

Have you seen the kind of gods most of these worlds have? When so many worlds are in trouble by their own mismanagement they aren't going to pick the good people. Those more competent people are chosen by the smart gods with more challenging problems, or those worlds just don't need help.

>Somebody else would hold the record.
>Well until then he's special retard
>I'm not. Nature and nurture existing does not change anything.

>wouldn't change the fact that they only got success because of their situation.
>only got success because of their situation.
This denies nature. Nurture is situation.

>You define circumstance so boradly that ist means whatever you want it to.
No, it means what it means. Most things in life are outside of your control. And it's those things that allows somebody to become great.

Who is easier to manipulate to do your bidding: the police officer, the fire fighter, the doctor or the worthless shut-in NEET?

>No, it happened because of historical circumstances outside the control of the individuals that attempted to found a nation.
The nation already existed. This is the result of the reigns being turned over by their own volition. Everything was already in place. All the work had already been done. They literally received a fully functional and modern state.

>Somebody would have done the work.
10,000 years of african history say otherwise.

>Somebody else would hold the record.

>it's not fate, it's just fate
...

>Most things in life are outside of your control. And it's those things that allows somebody to become great.
You deny nature again.
>become great.
>Nobody is special
Why are you contradicting yourself again?

>Knowledge of recipe makes them special,
It does not make them great. Nor is it a quality most people do not have, since being able to remember a recipe is not that hard.

>(of a person) having high rank or status.
Somebody having a high rank or status has nothing to do with how they are as a person.

>Damascus Steel blacksmiths are special. The're important
The fact that you can say "Blacksmiths" already disqualified all of them from being special.

The NEET is probably the hardest, they have experience in not doing what other people want them to do.

>genetics, upbringing, education and effort mean nothing
>everything is circumstances=fate
What a loser

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>This denies nature. Nurture is situation.
Nurture is a situation. Not the only one, let alone the most important.

>They literally received a fully functional and modern state.
Which they fucked up.

>10,000 years of african history say otherwise.
Plenty of african people did work, user.

It's not fate. Just stuff that you can't control.

>Nor is it a quality most people do not have
oh user... more than half the population of the world is literally absurdly retarded. The average Abo/African IQ is 65. The average latin/arab IQ is about 75. Retardation is defined as an IQ below 85...
IQ is is not based on knowledge, it is completely independent. But did you know that better memory is heavily correlated with higher IQ?

Because those people suck at manipulating them.
You don't order the NEET to go do your bidding, you give him a cheat and some waifus and then manipulate events so he COINCIDENTIALLY ends up getting involved in situations where his actions help you.

>You deny nature again.
Nope. Nature is just another circumstance.

>Why are you contradicting yourself again?
I'm not. Somebody becoming great due to the circumstances of their life is different from somebody being great.

That's dumb. Just watch some B-rated american movies blasting some sandniggers

I've really grown to like the slimes in this one. They're the best, so wholesome.

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>Which they fucked up.
Which is it, their actions or "circumstances" outside of their control?
...

The world isn't a meritocracy. The sooner you accept this, the easier things will get.

The truth of the matter is, a lot of your life is decided by how you're born and another lot of it is decided by your upbringing, the first you have no control over, and the second you only don't have any control over at first and after a while you only get a limited amount of control over it.

Personally, I think it's fucking bullshit.

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>Nope. Nature is just another circumstance.
What isn't?
>I'm not.
>Nobody is special
>Somebody becoming great

Why are you contradicting yourself again?
You said no one is special now you're talking about people being great.

Profundity I guess. If escapism allows you to escape real life, the opposite would throw it right in your face. Something like NHK Ni Youkoso except Yamazaki and Misaki don't appear.

Even if that is true, which I doubt, then that still leaves over half of humanity to be as capable as those blacksmiths.

A bit of both is the reason why the country failed completely. Other people might have done better, or they might have (somehow) done even worse. The point is that "other people" is a group in the millions.

t fatalist retard
Who were never taught IRL best effort of best people still fail more often than not but same is true for mediocre people.
Best peopel putting forth best effort still have higher chances of success because of their best base (nature) and best process (nurture).

If you deny that you're a twat.

>It does not make them great.
If you follow reply chain you claimed they're not special. Now you want to argue about great?
>since being able to remember a recipe is not that hard.
re read again.
>special
>especially great or important, or having a quality that most similar things or people do not have
and
>The fact that you can say "Blacksmiths" already disqualified all of them from being special.
re read again
>especially great or important, or having a quality that most similar things or people do not have
>most similar things or people do not have

>What isn't?
Your own choices. Even if they are made based upon circumstances that you cannot control.

>Nobody is special
Means that everybody can be replaced by somebody else.

>Somebody becoming great
Means somebody doing something important or big.

I'm reading it again. But i'm still reaching the same conclusion. Just because you happen to know a respite, a recipe that almost everybody could use if they know about it, has nothing to do with who you are as a person.

>And the point of those two stories is very explicitly that staying in the fantasy world is a bad thing.
Nothing about the world of wizard of oz makes the viewers want to go home, only the little farm girl wants to go home.

>Your own choices.
IQ 80 Somali pirate and IQ 150 MIT graduate would make same quality choices in identical situations?
>Means somebody doing something important or big.
>Nobody is great or important.

Why are you contradicting yourself again?

Understanding that the world is not based upon merit is not fatalistic, it's just sane.

>Who were never taught IRL best effort of best people still fail more often than not but same is true for mediocre people.
Even mediocre people can rise to greatness if the situation needs them to do so. Or if they just happen to be lucky enough.

>Best peopel putting forth best effort still have higher chances of success because of their best base (nature) and best process (nurture).
Real life is not a rpg. There is no such thing as a "higher chance of success".

The whole point of the story is literally "There is no place like home."

IQ is genetic. You can circumstantially have a lower IQ due to malnutrition but if you grew up well-fed then there is no way, at all, to increase your IQ.

>which I doubt
I think thread will 404 before I can find the studies, but it is true.

>that still leaves over half of humanity to be as capable as those blacksmiths.
Whites and non-chinese asiatics are about 1/7th of the world.
user, you're talking about retardation rates of about 12% in whites/non-chinese asiatics compared to retardation rates of ~95% and ~70%...

>world is not based upon merit is not fatalistic
not solely, sure
>Real life is not a rpg. There is no such thing as a "higher chance of success".
Strongman has higher than average chance of success to lift up burning beam from himself to escape fire.
Higher Education graduate have higher chance of making a scientific discovery than average.

You are retarded.

Larper just become upset about revolution so he started "nothing is important" shit as answer. And someone mentioned fatalism so he googled

>IQ 80 Somali pirate and IQ 150 MIT graduate would make same quality choices in identical situations?
No. But there are thousands of Somali pirates and MIT graduates that would make the same choice in identical situations.

>Why are you contradicting yourself again?
Doing something important or big is not the same thing as being great or importnat.

>There is no such thing as a "higher chance of success".
Look, I know you heard that god doesn't play dice, but that isn't what it means.

I like how you call him a fatalist and then you start talking about two things that make up most of what you are yet you have little or no control over.

Sounds pretty fatalist to me.

>Real life is not a rpg.
It quite literally is /tg/ with dice rolls and uneven starting stats retard. Everyone can fail sure but higher stats provide higher rolls = superior ability to make best use of circumstances or fight against them.

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IQ is not just genetics. In fact, there is quite a bit of debate how much is genetics.

Even if it is just 1/7th of the world. THat are still countless people.

A strongman does not have a higher than average chance to lift up a burning beam. He either lifts up the beam, or he does not.

user... with an IQ of 80, that somali pirate is in the top 10ish percent of all Africans...

How does Yea Forums feel about ngnl? I enjoyed it but i have a feeling anons here have some reason to shit on it.

I don't like how you missed nature and effort makes the different parts.
>No. But there are thousands of Somali pirates and MIT graduates that would make the same choice in identical situations.
That's not what I asked.
Would a pirate make same quality of choice as MIT graduate in identical situation?
>A strongman does not have a higher than average chance to lift up a burning beam.
>He either lifts up the beam, or he does not.
He has ability that he might or might not utilize to lift up the beam.
Weakling lanklet does not have such ability and therefore cannot utilize it.
This is the difference: higher chance of success because of superior ability.

There is no legitimate scientific debate. IQ is genetic; it is a product of the physical properties of the brain. Circumstantial factors can only decrease it.

I liked it even most of their victories were some Code Geass-tier asspull.
The movie was also great, it even managed to make me cry.

It was fun, and the threads about it while it was airing were about how much fun the show was, but more often now people just complain about various things in it.

*even though most

>In fact, there is quite a bit of debate how much is genetics.
There is not. One is actually based in reality, the other is screeching and insisting that unflawed studies are flawed in order to push deliberately flawed studies that match the lie you want to tell.

IQ is all meaningful terms is completely genetic. IQ is analogous to height. Just because you have the genes for being tall doesn't mean you will be tall, but so long as nothing weird happens and you aren't malnourished, you almost certainly will be tall.
If you have genes for being short, no matter how perfect your upbringing is and how good your nutrition is, you can't become taller than your genes dictate.
Replace short with low IQ and tall with high IQ.

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Nip this high won't even fit in their cars or shower cabins

I had made a typographical error, 180cm is apparently just shy of normal height, it is not 5'7"

His shitty circumstance magic doesn't work against drawing/painting.

>193059289
>central heating
>PLUMBING and a modern sewer system
Most isekai hand wave this with magic solutions so it's a moot point.

>acces to porn at any time, in any place, for any reason
>so many snacks
Stop eating, fatty, and you won't need porn

>Distinct lack of supernatural beings bent on destroying all of creation
>Feudal lords and a caste system
>Gods exist, and at least some of them probably hate you.
Better a demon lord, a wrathful god or some uptight nobility that all publicly want you dead than a bunch of happy merchants sneaking around.

>possibly elves/demi-humans/etc, definitely racism of some description
You some kind of knife ear lover?

It doesn't work against anything effort-heavy
Not him but
>Stop eating, fatty, and you won't need porn
Surely there's more to user not getting pussy than weight, I didn't get any even when I was /fit/ because I was ugly, poor and awkward.
Isekai has slaves that provide effort-free companionship and intimacy.
>You some kind of knife ear lover?
Variety is a spice of life it's always better to have a choice than not.

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Can't even quote properly, time to start drinking

>you won't need porn
But you die without porn. Just look at history, everyone born before the proliferation of porn is dead, and those born before the increased proliferation of porn by the internet are dying at an increasing rate!

180cm rounded to feet and inches is about 5'11, that's average or above average in most countries.

Don't tell me that 6 feet and over is a "normal height" since not even a fourth of the Earth's population is that tall, statistically speaking it's unusual.

>Isekai has slaves that provide effort-free companionship and intimacy.
There's still a little effort usually. Money can sometimes be a small barrier.

>Isekai has slaves that provide effort-free companionship and intimacy.
Not to mention the local constable having better things to do than raiding the brothels.

>Money can sometimes be a small barrier.
I have more than hikki can use IRL I'm sure in isekai with cheats I can manage small fortune quite fast.
Brothels aren't quite the same, they don't provide intimacy really but just sexual relief.
With slaves you can pick some deathbed scarred orphan, heal it and raise it well for few years with care and she would suck your dick so hard the sheets would get cramped up your anus.
It beats playing high-stake game with no guarantees IRL.

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Years might be too long to wait, but Michio's first night is a bit excessive too.

>Years might be too long to wait
I wouldn't mind if it's my property because she's going nowhere from my caring kindness assault anyway.

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>that's average
It is literally average for whites. 5'7" is literally the average woman's height.

Are you retarded or a newfag? Who bites the manlet bait in 2019? That's classic at this point I feel wrong just from explaining this to you.

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South Sudan inhabitants are not dead too, and multiply rather well. Their lives aren't that good though.

If it's necessary waiting is acceptable, but that much might not be necessary. And if it is, then others will have to take that job until then.

>Brothels aren't quite the same, they don't provide intimacy really but just sexual relief.
Isekai is a fantasy after all, becoming the best friend of all the prostitutes and having the top quality friendly sex with them isn't that bad.

Truly a lifeblood of information age civilization.
Certainly, just saying that with ironclad guarantees I wouldn't mind it at all, not that I would wait unnecessarily like what's his name from Death March.

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>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country
Even in european countries it's still a few centimetres above average in most of them, only in a few european countries where the average height is above 180cm, and only in a couple it's significantly above it.

As you can also see there are only two countries, well, more like one country and one mountain region, where the average height of women is 5'7 or above.

>becoming the best friend of all the prostitutes and having the top quality friendly sex with them isn't that bad.
t Sekkaku Cheat MC
I only liked the bit where he helped weregirls out and they fucked him for free in the slums.

And Satou's promises to some like Lulu to wait 5 years weren't even serious. In his situation, turning Arisa down when she's trying to rape him the first time might still be smart, but waiting a few months to get to know her and then taking her would be good enough. The same is true for most of the others.

But you can be the best at something. It's called the Olympics. Ever heard of it?

Brothels might just be a good way to get to learn more about the different species types before buying someone else.

Not that faggot but there might still be even better people out there, they're just not competing.
>good place to learn
The only thing I learned there is shame

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>people out there, they're just not competing.
I smell circumstances! Training and hard work are circumstances

Another world isn't generally going to have easy reference material, although I suppose the slave trader could let you see the slaves naked and might have some advice. But having their first meeting with a new owner being told to strip might make them even less happy.

It was pretty great. The word game bit was my favorite and actually clever even if it was sherlock levels of smart.

Just pointing out that olympics might not necessarily spell the very best, just the very best that trained and participate. Not the core concept.
>Another world isn't generally going to have easy reference material,
Eh skimpy clothes are enough to tell their body shape and any defects might be cured with magic as long as it's not genetic.

Since Olympics are pretty different from old Olympics countries trying to get best people. Especially young. There is tons of ways they searching for them. Best people in their interest. Even if you're poor but best they will find you

Sure but that's still not absolute: screening isn't fool-proof and some just don't want to do sports professionally.

There might be better potential athletes out there sure but as the ones we know of actually train they are the best athletes in the world.

All women would get my seed.

If someone isn't training in their sport professionally they aren't the best. Especially in athletics where skill doesn't come into play.

It is what if future hypothetical scenario. If you don't train you will not become best.
>Yea Forums is full of best painters
>they just hiding powerlevel
Just silly excuse. If you look at stories about people who become best from 0 they had passion. You know discussions about talent etc? Talent is mix of passion and hardwork.

olympic.org/sports
I see plenty of disciplines someone could be best at with just training regularly on his own, without participating in competitions.

Nothing

All is excessive, but Rance has a limitation that caused at least one unfortunate event.

Based

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