Why do people like this garbage 'character'?

Plotfags BTFO

>Reminder that Vicious's entire motivation is he's super pissed off Julia left him and fucked other dudes behind his back so now he's going to kill everything and everyone and himself.
sounds pretty based to me
he was the good guy

>so now he's going to kill everything and everyone and himself.
He was like this before he even met Julia though, Vicious was always sadistic, he tried to get Julia to kill Spike when he found out and almost sounded amused at the situation.

shit character, shit show
when I was a kid used to like it though

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i liked him but i didn't self-insert as him, you guys are fucking stupid

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I like him , yes he did some wrongs things and he know it , but he still try to moving forward without crying cause he carry his responsabilities like a real man

understandable
he's literally just a edgy sadboi teen persona
barley even a character

yeah carrying them by just leaving everyone and killing himself because i'm sad for no reason lol

hes literally me

kek

Was Vicious an incel?

fucking kike fuck him

Whao guys i just realized
>Spike=Lupin
>Faye=Fujiko
>Vicious=goemon
>Jet=Jigen

bootlegs
i don't even like lupin but it's better than basedboy bebop
best char was Jet

>basedboy
Spike was a chad though

He's a boring version of Lupin

[citation needed]

He's shown in bed with Julia so no.

pic rel was the coolest

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>Not liking Lupin
What are you, gay?

Cowboy Bebop is a great anime from a technical standard.
However, it is a soulless and cold anime.

A crybaby faggot chad maybe
on basedboy faggots like him

spike was more the cuck crying over used goods
he was the only cool one really

Lupin is a cunt

People dislike Spike? What's there to dislike aside his shitty taste in women? The one thing he did wrong that I recall is being obsessed with Julia when she was a worthless, cheating bitch.

>faye i'm already dead because julia xd
he's a edgy teenager faggot
idk how samurai champloo and space dandy are so good when bebop is trash

But that's what I said. The only thing to dislike about him is his stupid obsession with Julia.

that's his only character trait though

>worthless cheating bitch
She only cheated on Vicious and Spike caused it.

The amount of 2deep4u retards OP managed to summon into one thread is truly staggering.

Brainlets
>2deep4u
No, you need to be literally retarded to miss what Bebop was going for

>People dislike Spike?

It's normal to dislike Spike as you get older because you start seeing the cringy pathetic loser instead of the cool aloof badass.

>stuck in the past (show explicitly tells you this several times)
>obsessed over a girl he got sloppy seconds from
>dickhead towards people who actually care about him
>would rather die than stay with those people

One of the big 2deep4u themes is dealing with your past and learning to move on instead of wallowing in it like Spike.

A blander version of Lupin with a sad backstory

Spike was in love with that whore and tries to save her and all that. He fights with his past so he can have a better future with the love of his life, which is already probably more than what everyone who posts on Yea Forums can say
Literally no one has ever self-inserted Spike
You unironically didn’t watch the show if you think this
Everybody itt thinks he’s poorly written, you retard.

Oh yeah, I definitely agree that Spike is not once portrayed as being right. Faye and Spike are basically two sides of the same coin despite starting at the opposite ends of the spectrum, so the show was pretty clear about Spike being on the wrong.

But well, that's just how he is. He never felt he had a future because his past would one day catch up with him, so getting attachments would only hurt those he left behind. But he was only human, so he ended up getting those attachments and hurting them in the process. When he goes to fight Vicious, it's as much about his past as it is about him making sure Faye and the rest wouldn't get burnt just like Julia did.

I don't know, I guess I can appreciate his character all the same despite thinking he messed up. He still made for an interesting watch, specially his dynamic with Faye and Jet.

>Implying it wasn't soulless
Bebop had some Kino episodes like Asteroid Blues and Episode 5(the one with the Cathedral)
However none of the characters were engaging enough and the main story was underwhelming.
I found the characters to be forgettable.

Basically it was style over substance bullshit.
Prove me wrong

None of these are bad things and you can't force yourself to give a shit about people even if they do for you.

Spike is a forgettable character aside from his character design but I don't see what's so bad about him that would make you dislike him. I'm just mostly indifferent about him and I feel like he just isn't that impactful of a character overall.

He's actually interesting. Fuck your shittaste.

>However none of the characters were engaging enough
In what sense? They have great chemistry and you get to learn about them more as the series went on. I'm not really sure what more you want out of a cast in a series that's mostly episodic.
>main story was underwhelming
You'll have to elaborate before I can refute it.
>style over substance
Not really. As mentioned before you get to learn about all of the characters and there's a thematic through-line throughout the entire series, tying it all together narratively.

I like it cos jazz and the magic mushrooms episode

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Spike's kind of generic and aloof. Not much to love, but nothing to hate about him really.

Let's talk about the real piece of shit of the Bebop Crew people inexplicably like.

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>They have great chemistry
I disagree.
Only Spike and Jet have decent chemistry at best. Faye and Ed are extraneous character and they don't click well with Spike and Jet.
Maybe it would have been better if they dropped the girls and with ti being just Spike and Jet but still the characters aren't as impactful.
>Episodic
So is Lupin III yet Lupin, Fujiko, Jigen, Goemon, Zenigata are all far more memorable.

>You'll have to elaborate before I can refute it.
I'm talking about the whole Spike-Vicious-Julia thing.
It felt underwhelming as shit.
The show hinted several times through flashbacks that Spike and Vicious fought one-another and also worked together and possibly even were friends at one point but it never feels believable.
The way they act in front of one-another feels strange rather than familiar in the present which always bugged me.

>you get to learn about all of the characters and there's a thematic through-line throughout the entire series, tying it all together narratively.
Which means what exactly?
Why was Faye even frozen in the first place?
Why is Ed even in this show?
What do these characters even contribute to the plot in the larger scheme of things? Nothing. They're just there for the ride.

Dwight Schrute IV was better

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He was just a jewish kung-fu guy who believe his life was shit and he deserves to dies because of a woman, what a fag.

Just because of good dialogue and for normies they for some reason like the dub. I even saw a vid made by some semi-pro VA saying it's one of his favorite VAs due the deadpan delivery

Why do people keep spreading this jew meme?
Never is it said anywhere Spike is a jew. It's just stated he's from Mars.

Furthermore Spike's look was based on an old Japanese actor I believe.

>normies

>Faye and Ed are extraneous character and they don't click well with Spike and Jet
Faye works as a part of the team though and thematically fits in with Spike and Jet. I can see this more with Ed, but I think that was intentional given the fact that she's a child and hasn't gone through the same traumas as the others.
>I'm talking about the whole the whole Spike-Vicious-Julia thing
The reason that Spike and Vicious' relationship seems strange is because they went down different paths. Vicious is a different person than he was when Spike last saw him, and Spike had likely changed somewhat too, being less of the reckless criminal that he once was.
>Why was Faye even frozen in the first place?
It ties into the theme of desperately trying to salvage your past, only for it to do more harm than good. This is an idea that's present with Spike and Jet as well, and is kind of the driving force behind Spike's entire story throughout the series.
>Why is Ed even in this show?
There's several different interpretations behind it. I like to view it as being a reminder for Spike, Jet and Faye of their pasts when they weren't all so angst ridden.

Bogey wannabe.

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what's the moral of Cowboy Bebop exactly? we should let people commit suicide if they want because depressed about womens? after all those good and wacky moments it's just bitter.

Because the dub was good dumbass.
The one-time characters were hit and miss but the casting for the main characters was spot-on and the direction was excellent.
Geneon produced good shit.

>Because the dub was good dumbass.
Maybe relative to other dubs. But it is far worse than the original Japanese.

Sometime's a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do; cleaning up his own loose ends regardless of how many people it might hurt.

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No, the moral is to not chase the past, and instead enjoy your life in the moment

>thematically fits in with Spike and Jet.
She literally is the opposite of these 2 though
She doesn't remember her past at all

>Vicious is a different person than he was when Spike last saw him
You mean when he was running away from Vicious' assassins that he sent after him when he found out Spike cucked him?

In general, I'm not sure what they were going for with that whole plot-line. They didn't want to give much details to make it more "mysterious" but it just makes it frustraing.

>It ties into the theme of desperately trying to salvage your past
Faye didn't remember her past. She was opposite to Jet and Spike who couldn't let their past go.

I mean at the end of the day, when Spike does his "bang" thing I don't really feel anything.
I don't get if the show's creators wanted us to feel sad about Spike supposedly dying or were we supposed to watching it as a distant observer?

Overall Bebop feels like it's at odds with itself.
A lot of the time the show feels like it wants the audience to not be engaged with the show and make them feel like a distant observer who are watching this strange fascinating world they don't understand but at other times they expects the audience to relate to the main cast which seems unlikely.

It's just odd. Bebop has a lot of good stuff but it also has way too much questionable shit and it always felt off to me in some way...like it was a waste of potential, I dunno how to put it.

>She doesn't remember her past at all
So you didn't finish watching the show?

>watch bebop as a teen
>wow this crew is really cool

>rewatch it 10 years later
>wow this crew is fucking miserable

still enjoyed the run but for completely different reasons

I watched it for the first time a couple of years ago and I only got the latter

>far worse
yeah no

She doesn't remember her past for most of the show.

I think we're supposed to respect his choice in a "Well, he finally settled his past" but still feel bad about it in a "He just threw his life away when he could've had a future with Faye" way. It's not black and white.

Same here. I relate a lot more to Ein now than anyone

I just didn't find any reason to care.
Maybe because they didn't portray his past well enough...I dunno.

Put she's still fixated on trying to find out about her past, letting her past consume her in the same way Spike and Jet do

I dunno, that sounds pretty based and redpilled to me

Speaking of, where do I start if I want to get into Lupin? All I know about it is that it's fucking old, has tons of movies, a fascination with Italy and involves heists or something

The beginning.

Watch IV, then II, then the last 3 movies, then everything else is reverse chronological order.

Lupin is a nice man.
Yeah, he’s a groovy guy.

Show would have been better is Julia was fused with Faye and had Vicious chasing after her. The whole Vicious and Spike thing could have grown organically from there. It would still be retarded to have Spike sudoku via kamikaze rush on the Red Dragon Syndicates home base tho

That sounds confusing as shit, but I'll give it a go, thanks

That’s a terrible order.
Watch Part 1, Cagliostro, and some of Part 2 and then just watch whatever from there.

He was obviously joking.

Didn't Vicious fuck a trap or tranny which he later killed? I can't remember this crap it was so long ago.

>It would still be retarded to have Spike sudoku via kamikaze rush on the Red Dragon Syndicates home base tho
That's the point.

I don’t remember anything like that.

>cringy
Like I'm going to listen to a Yea Forumsermin's opinions on maturity.

There was a guy that had involuntarily grown breast, Vicious didn't fuck him though.

Vicious is intentionally shallow and one-dimensional so that Spike throwing away his present to kill his past feels all the more futile.
Same thing with his love interest, whom we only see in flashbacks and die in less than one episode after we finally see her.

Spike isn't a character I'd say I like. Nor that I sympathize with. Yet that's what works me into liking his show. Bebop isn't by any means one of my favorites but I'll admit it's one of the few anime I like despite not being fond of any characters individually (the goody-shoe from Waltz to Venus is the one that comes to mind when it comes to characters in Bebop so yeah), which says a lot when characters are the biggest criteria to liking a story for me.

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>They're supposed to be shallow!
Sounds a bit like grasping at straws to me.

A guy called Spiegel with a jewfro for haircut based on Bob Dylan.
At least he's not Asian for sure.

He was saying they're not likable, not shallow.

Hes based on this unfortunate looking nip.

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What makes Faye different and such a good contrast to Spike is that when she gets her past back, she chooses to focus on the future.

He is based on this guy.

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>He was saying they're not likable, not shallow.
>Vicious is intentionally shallow and one-dimensional

Take it as you will then, but considering the way Julia is presented and play into the story when it could have been done in plenty of different ways and Vicious being utterly barebones when the anime shows through other characters and developments that it can write something a lot deeper than Vicious is pretty telling to me.

If it had been shown that Julia was this incredible person that was the only one that could understand Spike and that Vicious had complex motives that dwell on something yet again incredibly personal with Spike then maybe I wouldn't have felt upset at all at Spike for choosing them over an alright bro, an unstable chick, a kid that's like a dog and an actual dog.

That in all intends and purposed seemed to me what the show wanted to tell.

And don't talk for me.

I gotta admit Watanabe just didn't give a shit about giving Julia any kind of depth. She was more like a nuisance rather than anything and he didn't make a single effort to make us like or care about her.