Everyone tells me Heavens Feel is the best route

Deadbeat fathers don't deserve to be king. Can't wait for King Morgan in LB6.

HF haters, everyone.

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UBW is clearly the best and canon route

Fate is the introduction

HF is a mess because of Ilyas butchered route

UBW is the epitome of Fate universe

Sakura's really fucking hot and I don't hate her I guess but it has to be said that I don't really get her appeal that much.

>senpai I'm so fucking kitanai but will you love me
Bitch, I'm watching this shit for Kotomine, who cares if your penis worms make you eat people, I literally don't care.

I think it is at least better than UBW, though that is mostly because of Kotomine.
Fate is the best one though.

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Kotomine is the best character in it by far followed by the other villains (excluding Sakura) but that doesn't make up for all the others being neutered or underutilized because of that.

SAVE THE WHORES

Senpai i need your semen to live because my evil grandpa raped me with penis-worms. Everything about HF is pure cringe, it's like work of a kid who tries too hard to make something for adults. Not to mention neverending cooking filler.

>UBW
>canon
The VN itself says otherwise.

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Fate = cumbrain route
UBW = drown in your ideals and die ONORE
HF = Nasu's masterpiece

No mention of canon in that screenshot.

>mastah i need your semen to live because evil loli is chasing us and wants berserker to rape me and rin while she transforms you into a doll

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If cumbrain means what I think it means then the only route it fits is HF since that is the route with the hentai plot.

>true ending
Also, HF True is the one and only ending that's observed by Zelretch.

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>cumbrains
Go back

Saber and Rin also fuck him for a power up, secondary kun

It's the "true ending" because it is the climax of the VN.
Nothing to do with canon. Since that is barely a concept in Fate.

But they aren't addicted to semen.
Like a rape victim from a h-doujin.

>Q: Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious since I was how it would look to Zelretch.
>A: They're parallel sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true. If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless.

Neither is Sakura. Realta Nua retconned it, and so did the movie.

>zouken
>caster
>gilkek
>better characters than sakura, shirou and archer
This is your brain on retardation

Saber shows mana withdrawal symptoms in Fate too, retard.

heavens feel is the far side route with none of the buildup and 10x the edge

>READ THE VN SECONDARY!
>b-but it doesn't count, anime retconned it

>realta nua
>anime

Realta Nua is just a censored version so it could be sold on PS2.

>waaah i hate hf because it has hentai, just like the other routes!
>read the non-h version, then
>d-doesn't count!

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WHATS THE OTHER ENDING?

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The problem isn't that is has porn. The problem is that the plot itself is lifted out of porn.

So read Realta Nua, then.

Yet factually Saber gets in Avalon. And she won't in HF according to Nasu.

Zelretch is irrelevant now when Merlin is the actual observer.

>FGO tertiary thinking bunnytitoriaverse can be mentioned in the same sentence as canon

>FGO
>Look at me, im the canon now

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I prefer the original vision than the compromised one. Even if it isn't perfect.

Gil isn't even an enemy. Literally just a side character. I very clearly mean Assassin and Saber Alter. Shirou abandoning his ideals kills his character. Sakura isn't the best either.

>senpai if you don't feed me semen I'll go crazy
>not the cumbrain route

FGO is the primary branch, secondary kun. That aside-
Garden of Avalon written BY Nasu has Merlin OBSERVING Fate route ending, thus that's the actual locked event. King Arthur is the Once and Future King, also fits why Nasu himself calls WAVER, not Shirou or Ilya, the one who "ends the Grail of Fuyuki".
The CD drama Nasu wrote with Shirou, Rin and Waver also seem set in Fate because Shirou vowed to Kay he'll still look for Saber no matter what. Both this and Garden of Avalon were bundled with UBW boxset.

Zelretch is a vampire and decides absolutely nothing in Fate that's confirmed that's run by the Pruning System which is the World doing, based on what's best for history. The throne still keeps records of pruned possibilities, that's why the LB kings are there. Same thing for Saber Alter and those Lancer versions. But King Arthur residing in Avalon is a tangible fact.

>hasn't read Garden of Avalon
>thinks a shitty DA matters in Fate when Nasu established they don't matter

>Gil isn't even an enemy
Spotted the post-Zero secondary.

Shirou abandoning them literally is what makes him more than a generic obnoxious shounen MC.

He isn't in HF.
He even fights the big bad in that route.

He tries to kill the heroine and is killed by the big bad because he doesn't realize that knocking her out just helps it.

>jobs pathetically as soon as main villain appears
Real threat that guy.

Nasu really shat on HF by answering that question. In UBW, he can manage it to keep it vague, but we know the correct history is King Arthur in Avalon.

That probably means HF is gonna be pruned. Not because of anything that happens in Fuyuki but because of this deviation.

The problem is that he doesn't get them challenged in any meaningful way like in UBW. He literally just fucks Sakura so hard he forgets them.

>The problem is that he doesn't get them challenged in any meaningful way like in UBW.
He found out his idealized father was a lie and he was miserable and hurt his family. He was NEVER challenged so early in any route.

He also lost Saber because he insisted to do shit outside the Master and Servant stuff. And he was desperate asking "what the hell is a hero?"

>FGO is the primary branch, secondary kun.
Back to wasting your savings gambling for JPGs while shitposting at /vg/, tertiary.
>Garden of Avalon written BY Nasu
Sorry, only FGO tertiaries care about some obscure drama CD. Are you going to tell us Ilya turning into a giantess and Rin becoming a jewel Midas is canon too?
>Both this and Garden of Avalon were bundled with UBW boxset.
In other words, secondary bullshit.
>Zelretch is a vampire and decides absolutely nothing in Fate
Tsukihime and Fate were part of the same canon until Nasu got tired of working on the remake and scrapped it for FGOcancer. It's why Take Moon/Carnival Phantasm were a thing. Back in the day, the only Nasuverse stories that were treated as incompatible were Tsukihime and KnK.

Pruning isn't a thing in FSN, tertiary. That concept was introduced in FGO. FSN as it was written will forever be tied to Tsukihime through Zelretch and have HF as its canon route. Come back when Nasu writes a complete remake of FSN that fits his new gacha lore.

>obsessed with canonicity
>but not that canon because I don't like it

>what is death of the author

Then the concept of canon is pointless to begin with.
Just whichever route you like the best might as well be canon.

Why do Sakurafags think they can smug just because HF is the best route? Even Illya is better than her.
Rin actually had portrayed the best of her in that route, better than UBW. While Sakura is literally just, save me senpai all throughout the story.

The route that was canon at the point of release was HF. That's the only thing that matters, no matter how much Nasu backpedals and tries to retcon things to make the series more shallow later on.

>save me senpai
That's literally the polar opposite of Sakura, who hated that Shirou was trying to save her and ended up taking out all of the villains herself in the end in order to save him. It's funny how people like you always get the very most basic things about the plot wrong.

The concept of canon is only relevant when talking about sequels or spin-off and the like.
Canon is pointless within the work itself.

>Rin actually had portrayed the best of her in that route

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It's relevant when there are three different routes and one of them is explicitly referred to as the true end.

Sakura deserved it.

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No it isn't. Because each route has its own ending.
The concept of canon brings nothing to the discussion.

All that shows is that Sakura is a sadistic cunt.

The enforced reading order makes it clear that Fate and UBW are just stepping stones to get to the true finale that is HF.

Nah, Rin deserved it. She was the one who insisted on killing Sakura.

I guess the enforced reading order means that Last Episode is the actual conclusion then.

>Scene in which Rin spares Sakura but Sakura doesn't care, starts to torment her, is super smug about it and is about to do the same with Emiya
>Sakurafags use this to argue that Sakura is superior to Rin
What the hell is wrong with them, are they sociopaths?

Nope, LE wasn't written until three years later. They also didn't remove Taiga stating that HF was the true ending, proving that it's still canon despite the addition of Last Episode.

that's mean fgo is the most canon. do you really want that

But the enforced reading order made it clear that Fate and UBW was just stepping stones. Why then isn't it then clear that at least in Realta Nua that HF is just a stepping stone for Last Episode. Would simply not having the words true ending have changed this for you? Would they all be canon if not for this one line?
Does that not prove the pointlessness of canonicity.

>in which Rin spares Sakura
That doesn't happen. Sakura summons Saber and has her cut down Rin when she's moving in for the kill. Rin changing her mind at the last second can only happen when Shirou doesn't spare Saber. Also, ironic how you bring that up seeing as Sakura was the first one to spare Rin.

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>Would simply not having the words true ending have changed this for you?
Yes, although then the death of the author argument would have kicked in, seeing as the fact that RN came out three years after the original VN still remains. HF is the canon route due to being stated to be the true end in the original version of the VN. That's all that matters, no matter whether it gets retconned later or not.

It's not how she wanted for him to save her but how literally everyone just joined the war just to save her. I mean, she gets "saved" throughout the story, literally

>literally everyone just joined the war just to save her

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That's because she tried to be independent. Like how this idiot
said that
>ended up taking out all of the villains herself in the end in order to save him
she just makes everything worse by eating gil and everyone else because she "wants to save senpai" and be independent

Hypocrite is just a harsher word for tsundere. Please read HF again but this time, slowly

Tsundere is just another word for bitch.

Well, you never heard Rin bitch about how hard her independent life was. Now look at Sakura

You and Saber have won the Grail War and her wish is to marry you and have a baby. How do you escape?

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>eating gil
Try actually reading the VN. That was Angra Mainyu. The first person Sakura killed was Shinji, which was good since it turned her into Dark Sakura and stopped the Shadow. She then destroyed Kotomine's fake heart, which saved Shirou at the end. She then removed Zouken from her heart and killed him along with killing True Assassin, which was a good thing for obvious reasons.

Will she impregnate me with her futa cock or will I impregnate her?

You'll impregnate her in the missionary position for the sole purpose of reproduction with lots of hand holding.

Who would Soma Cruz summon and who would his waifu be?

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Yeah, Sakura who actually did something about it and killed Zouken, unlike Rin who never even tried and just wanted to take the easy way out by killing Sakura and blaming her for everything.

i dont. i welcome it.

No, you read the convo, in case you're not the same guy. user said that she took out all of the villains. Don't tell me gil is not a villain in your book. Killing Shinji only benefits her. Shinji can't do shit against chad Shirou. Kotomine and Zouken are too much of a villain that literally everyone, not just Shirou, will benefit.

Kotomine isn't a villain in HF.

>Sakura
>actually did something about it
>makes Angry mainyu do the thing and blames everything on him

>Rin
>who never even tried
>wanted to take the easy way out
>killing Sakura
>literally did everything to save Sakura

Gilgamesh is irrelevant in HF, just like how Zouken is irrelevant in Fate and UBW.
>Killing Shinji only benefits her.
She explicitly killed him so that Shirou wouldn't have to suffer Shinji blabbering about raping her.

He literally wants all evils of the world to be born.

Dark Sakura is not Angra Mainyu, as confirmed by Kotomine. Also, what are MoS and Geas?

He thinks it deserves to be born because it has not yet had the chance to decide to be evil yet.
You can't really blame Angra Mainyu for the actions which he did not consciously make.

By the actions he did in HF, he's half villain but him being dead by the end of the story will definitely benefit a lot of people
Irrelevant because he was killed early. Things will definitely be more complicated with him being alive.
>so that Shirou wouldn't have to suffer Shinji blabbering about raping her
He literally can't even get close to Shirou after their last confrontation. A punch is good enough for him to get scared. He can't harass the chad anymore after that

Sakura is everything but a heroine in HF

>He literally can't even get close to Shirou after their last confrontation.
He doesn't need to get close in order to shout "I FUKD UR WIFE LOL". If he so wishes, he can tell others at school about it instead.

>he can tell others at school about it instead
Didn't he actually do that with Ayako in UBW?

Angra Mainyu isn't a human, but rather an evil deity at that point, so matters of being born or not are pure sophistry. As a matter of fact, it killed people while still in the womb. We kill animals that eat people too.

Nasu states otherwise.

It still deserves to be born. If it continues to do evil actions afterwards you'd be justified in killing it.
But you can't call him evil for action he didn't really have control over.

>Dark Sakura is not Angra Mainyu
She still got her magic shit from her and she still blamed it on him. Don't know what MoS is but what does Geas have to do with this? Nothing happened after she used it on Shirou has anything to do with the topic

You read the vn but didn't understand the character? Shinji was made to be a coward. Once he doesn't have anything (like Rider) to do anything against Shirou, he will not make a move.

I'm not a super pro-abortion guy but if the baby is killing others before being born, I'll step right up with the coat hangers.

But at the time Shirou was going to kill it it had stopped killing people.

Not that guy but having the "right" to live is something exclusive to humans. Read Kiseijuu

>she still blamed it on him
She never blamed AM. She just thought she was an entirely new person as Dark Sakura, which Kotomine deconfirmed. In fact, she even blamed herself for the actions of AM.
>Don't know what MoS is
Bad end 30, AKA Superhero. Rin kills Sakura there.
>what does Geas have to do with this? Nothing happened after she used it on Shirou has anything to do with the topic
Rin paralyzes Shirou with the Geas and forces him to stand still while she kills Sakura.

He won't attack him, but it won't stop him from screaming like a madman or doing passive aggressive shit to ruin Sakura's life in other ways.

It was going to kill even more people once it had been born, though.

Maybe. But it is not right to judge someone on actions they have not yet made.

>have not yet made
But it already killed people from the womb. It only stopped due to Sakura managing to restrain it at the cost of her sanity.

>She just thought she was an entirely new person as Dark Sakura
because she thought being an entirely new person was AM's fault. Either way, she was blaming it on others instead of herself
>Rin kills Sakura
I don't reread bad endings but there are times where the writing of what happened next are always vague for bad endings. Maybe she really didn't kill her. Also, can't Kotomine stop her? He wants her to leave doesn't he? Lastly, even though she really did kill her in those endings, it still proved that she's independent because she prioritized work against feelings. In fact, Rin not killing Sakura in the true ending just killed the independent attitude he made throughout her life. Rin was not born independent, it was a choice.

Yeah, but that was before it was born. Can't really blame it for those actions.

>Sakura's life
This just strengthens my argument

Making Sakura suffer is the same as making Shiro suffer.

True, the right to life is only something we extend to humans. And in some cases it's restricted to humans we find tolerable.

That would be ideal if we were powerful enough to stop Angra Matthew as it tries to kill. My preference would be to quarantine it somewhere it can't kill but failing that, abortion it is.
>tfw unwilling to drown in my ideals and die

Ok waifu war on.

Rin>Saber>Sakura

t. kotomine

She's the one being directed at first. Nobody will believe her (except idiots) that she had done it to save Shirou when everyone knows Sakura was the one being harassed by Shinji. No one can be that selfless, especially Sakura. In fact, she may have been "saving" Shirou for her own selfishness, like cutting his arm so he can't fight again

I prefer Saber over Sakura as a character, but for waifus its gotta be Rin > Sakura > Saber

By the power of the command seal...

>Either way, she was blaming it on others instead of herself
She wasn't blaming others as much as she was saying that the old Sakura was dead and that she was a new person now.
>Maybe she really didn't kill her.
Nice headcanon.
>Also, can't Kotomine stop her? He wants her to leave doesn't he?
He still had the option of using Ilya.
>it still proved that she's independent because she prioritized work against feelings
That's literally the very opposite of her being independent. All she did was let her daddy complex cloud basic reason. Her character development in HF is to let go of the heartless mage bullshit and act like a decent human being, even if Nasu bungled it hard by having it be a last-second decision and Rin being much more eager to stop acting like a mage right away in the other routes.

Sakura>Ilya>Saber>Rin

Sakura>Saber>Rin

>he still had the option of using Illya
Assuming Sakura gets killed, what would happen to the Servant souls she had absorbed? Would they go to Illya, or would they disappear, preventing the Grail from being completed?

Except we literally see her thoughts regarding her matter, retard. She thought that she could probably bear it, but couldn't stand Shirou suffering for her sake yet again.
>especially Sakura
You mean the person who went mad with guilt over killing Shinji of all people?
>like cutting his arm so he can't fight again
That never happens, retard. Putting aside how the shadow isn't controlled by Sakura, it didn't even cut off his arm. Shirou lost it in an explosion, meaning it was a coincidence for the sake of dramatic irony.

saber = sakura > rin

Sakura>Illya>>>Saber=Rin

>Assuming Sakura gets killed, what would happen to the Servant souls she had absorbed? Would they go to Illya
Yes, Ilya's objective in early HF was to locate the other grail and get rid of it so she could do her job properly, until she learned that Shirou loved Sakura and changed her mind.

Saber>Illya>Rin>Slutura

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>She wasn't blaming others as much
But she did blame others
>Nice headcanon
Bad endings really are vague. Like how after Shirou pursues his hero thing. Never said what happened afterwards. Very unlikely for him to survive the war without saber. Quite literally possible she didn't kill her unless you can prove it by posting screenshots. I'm too lazy to reread
>He still had the option of using Ilya
With Sakura holding most of the servants, Illya is a worse option than Sakura since he can only summon the lesser grail with Illya at that point
>That's literally the very opposite of her being independent
You need to read a dictionary
>All she did was let her daddy complex cloud basic reason
So?
>Her character development in HF is to let go of the heartless mage bullshit and act like a decent human being
It was not much of a character development but closer to knowing a character. In the other routes, she always, ALWAYS, prioritize saving others than the mage rule shit. It was hardly a last-second decision

Did you like, just only read HF and not the other two that are necessary before it?

>FGO is the primary branch
>Deluded whales believe this shit

We should kill the Evil baby
>But it's innocent we should wait until it's born to see if it's evil
It isn't innocent, it's been killing and eating people while it's been growing in the "womb"
>But that was before it was born so it couldn't control it's actions (????????????)
Then how can we trust it to control it's actions after being born? If it's default state is to start killing things why should we wait for it to be "born"?

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>but couldn't stand Shirou suffering for her sake yet again
She made him suffer in other actions. You're the retard one.
>You mean the person who went mad with guilt over killing Shinji of all people?
You're saying as if she didn't even loved him as a brother
>Shirou lost it in an explosion, meaning it was a coincidence for the sake of dramatic irony
Same difference idiot. She literally said that now without his arm, he can't go to any danger
inb4 she saved him
In her view, yes she did but not in Shirou's view. Since Shirou want to save Sakura, he really needs to kill Zouken or win the war. She's pushing her ideals onto him then call it saving him. If you can't call Sakura selfish, then I'll treat your replies as baits. And Sakura being selfish is one of the reasons i like her better than no personality Saber.

How are people still arguing about Fate over 15 years?

Illya>Power Gap>Caster>Taiga>Rider>Rin=Saber=Sakura

>Get proven wrong
>"S-shut up FGO fag!"
so you're just going to say "It doesn't count" if you personally don't like the lore?

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More like multiple timelines exist and none are "primary"

How are people still arguing about Torah/Bible/Quran over 15 years?

She did blame Rin for not trying to save her, which was completely justified considering Rin tried to kill Sakura right after learning the truth about her.
>Quite literally possible she didn't kill her unless you can prove it by posting screenshots.
The burden of proof is on you and your headcanon.
>Illya is a worse option than Sakura since he can only summon the lesser grail with Illya at that point
But it's still an option, as shown in Fate. He still needs to pretend to be neutral at that point, so he can't interfere with the Masters too directly.
>So?
She's not independent if she's just blindly parroting her image of what her daddy would do rather than doing what she herself wants to do.
>In the other routes, she always, ALWAYS, prioritize saving others than the mage rule shit. It was hardly a last-second decision
Yes, and that's why Rin is really poorly written in HF.

>Same difference idiot.
No, there's a pretty major difference, since it means Sakura isn't to blame for it.
>She literally said that now without his arm, he can't go to any danger
And regretted it right away. Rin once wrote a letter threatening to kill Shirou before changing her mind and scribbling over it. Do you hold that against her too?
>selfish
More like too selfless for her own good, much like Shirou in Fate.

>She did blame Rin for not trying to save her, which was completely justified
Yeah justified depending on the perspective. But come on, a 7 year old girl saving her sister?
>The burden of proof is on you and your headcanon
I literally said that I'm not sure. also reread the whole reply cherrypicker. Bad endings are vague
>But it's still an option
Of course. But he just used his magic circuits on her and with the opportunity to summon the greater grail, It's not unusual for him to stop Rin either way
>She's not independent if she's just blindly parroting her image of what her daddy would do
Also what a mage supervising the area would do. Her ideals might be borrowed but she still did(?) what she needs to do.
>Yes, and that's why Rin is really poorly written in HF
Awww, you didn't know she's a tsundere? I feel sorry for your lack if IQ. She always act (and tries to) like she's uninterested in Sakura in front of her. She was like that in he common route. She didn't interact with her in the other routes. How is that any different in HF?

Suicide, no way I can escape a servant, but why would she wish those horrid things on me in the first place?

because of the cool catchphrases like ''Alloha snackbar'' or ''the 6 gorillion!'' and pedophile jokes.

You don't want to be Saber's housewife? What are you, gae?

Saber>Rin>Sakura>Rin (HF)

>Sakura isn't to blame for it
Read the whole reply pls. Disregarding how idiot you can be by saying it's not Sakura's fault that his arm got cut off/eaten, she still liked the outcome. So he can't go into any danger from now on
>Do you hold that against her too?
Literally wtf. False accusation. I don't even remember what letter shit you're talking about. That's not my main point.
>More like too selfless for her own good, much like Shirou in Fate.
Shirou is pushing his ideals to saber coz whamen need to be protected and shits. How is that not selfish? Also, where's the argument?

You got your fill of me being baited. You can stop now

>"lol Sakura i never cared about you and it's just your bad luck that you got the short end of the stick lol"
>Their battle literally ends on Rin refuting her own lie and choosing to embrace her sister over saving Fuyuki, the very city which falls under her jurisdiction as magus of the Tokiomi family
Rin got great presentation in HF, and this is coming from a Sakurafag. Rin has always struggled with whether she should let her feelings as a magus or her feelings as a human-being define her actions, and the conclusion of her battle with Sakura was a satisfying end to that conflict. As a magus, she had every right to kill Sakura and save the city under her charge, but she chose to embrace her little sister and let her know how much she loved her instead; a selfish act, but one that Rin Tohsaka, the imperfect yet well-meaning girl, wanted to do more than anything else, at that moment.

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At least he has ideals in that route

still selfish

Have lots of children with her.
Take over the world or a country too.

What other choice is there? Maybe if Nasu stopped changing everything around every 2-3 years than this shit franchise could have some semblence of continuity.

If I were gay I would marry and have kids, fuck that gay shit.

>Shirou is pushing his ideals to saber coz whamen need to be protected and shits. How is that not selfish?
You haven't read Fate. Try the second scene with Gilgamesh.

FSN would've been better if it remained as female MC and male Saber

Waifufags ruin everything

There's literally a scene where he meant that whamen need to be protected. Also, rereading Fate is never an option

Zelretch-sama, which Tsukihime ending is canon?

Otomefags need to die.

And we already have Fragments with Arthur, and it's boring shit with the flattest one-note King Arthur in the entire series, and THAT'S saying something.

People get blinded by it since it's the "end" of FSN and because of the recent movies so they don't acknowledge the flaws.
For its flaws I still really enjoy the fate route.

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Why? Shirou's great.

Arcueid's.
Like, without a single doubt.

Route, day and scene name?

Fate is the best route to re-read due to the sheer amount of foreshadowing and callbacks Nasu employs. Half of the route goes over your head the first time.

>But come on, a 7 year old girl saving her sister?
No, she could start during day 9 of HF instead of trying to kill Sakura.
>I literally said that I'm not sure
Concession accepted, then.
>It's not unusual for him to stop Rin either way
She threatened to kill Shirou over it, so she'd do the same to Kotomine. Even if he killed her, that would jeopardize the Grail Wars as a whole and possibly lead to outside interference.
>Her ideals might be borrowed
Hence, she's not independent.
>what she needs to do
Was to destroy the greater grail, which she had a map to. Her mage autism prevented her from setting aside the grail war even if it meant the death of others such as Sakura.
>She always act (and tries to) like she's uninterested in Sakura in front of her. She was like that in he common route. She didn't interact with her in the other routes. How is that any different in HF?
She doesn't go out of her way to berate and try to murder Sakura in Fate or UBW. Also, pic related.

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>people seriously entertaining Kirei's arguments
He just wanted to prove something to himself. He was being colossally selfish.

>Disregarding how idiot you can be by saying it's not Sakura's fault that his arm got cut off/eaten
Pic related.
>she still liked the outcome
A brief thought she instantly regretted.
>False accusation. I don't even remember what letter shit you're talking about.
Rin writes a letter to Shirou if you avoid her in early HF where it says she'll kill him if he doesn't meet her in the woods after school, but with "kill" scribbled out and replaced with "leave". Sakura finds the letter in F/HA and is horrified.

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Too little, too late. Also, the way the narration pretends she did nothing wrong and blames Sakura for everything is plain bad writing.

Do people actually do this? He himself says his intention is just to cause suffering.

>escape
I'm not gay though

I want it so bad bros.

Soma would summon beserker Vlad, easy.

Quantum Timelock.

Lancer Artoria , Lion King >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fuckura

>muh titty waifu
fuck off

Fate has the best ending, but overall it doesn't have as many high points as the others unless you're a massive Saberfag.
Lots of things are left unadressed and underexplored for the sake of the other routes too.

>No, she could start during day 9 of HF instead of trying to kill Sakura.
Sakura was blaming Rin for what she did (or didn't do) her whole life. Stop with the bait. You're the one who brought that up
>so she'd do the same to Kotomine
Goddamn. Do you mean Kotomine is afraid of Rin?
>that would jeopardize the Grail Wars as a whole and possibly lead to outside interference.
How fast would that "outside interference" be before it can come back to Kotomine. He killed bazette (i don't really remember if he really did kill her) and nobody came so far from the association. How come killing Rin will have a stronger effect?
>Hence, she's not independent
It's ideals not actions. By doing something by your own reason (again, not ideal), it can be called being independent. By your logic, No one is independent since everyone has at least one or two ideals that are borrowed from others
>Was to destroy the greater grail, which she had a map to. Her mage autism prevented her from setting aside the grail war even if it meant the death of others such as Sakura.
So?
>She doesn't go out of her way to berate and try to murder Sakura in Fate or UBW
Did she kill anyone in that route? This is fucking self explanatory. Another shit argument you make that can be debunked by common sense and I'll call it bait.
>Also, pic related.
Awww, you didn't know she's a tsundere? I just said it earlier and you still can't comprehend? You said earlier that Rin is poorly written in HF but I believe you don't even care about Rin enough to know her personality. Of course she will stop Shirou if he really did make Saber kill other people.

Second time you posted an argument that can be debunked with common sense. You can also stop baiting now, like this idiot

Same thing with UBW, really. Fate gets its wordcount padded by exposition, which without UBW is noticeably the shortest of the three routes. The complete lack of choices between EMIYA and the finale is really noticeable.

FSN could have used another year of editing, desu.

>FGOcucks hate sakura (and saber and rin too)
>FGOcucks unironically think titoria is better than original seibah

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Your greentext already sounds horrible enough, but it's even worse within the story, since it's compounded by other bad things like Rin constantly mocking Sakura during the fight, the narration pretending Sakura was to blame for going dark and Sakura somehow being brainwashed into thinking the same.

Kirei's argument is doozy, he defines goodness by a lack of guilt. Seems his most cherished virtue is conviction. Like, Sakura fails because she's still somewhat normal a person, she has to rationalize taking actions she would normally consider unsavory. Shirou passes because he'll go in 100% no matter what he chooses to do.

Sakura was to blame for going dark tho. The entire catalyst for HF was her allowing Zouken to get to her finally through Shirou.

Heaven's Feel is more reminiscent of the older Type Moon works and newfags literally cannot handle it

Sakura knew it wasn't rational to expect Rin to save her that early, but Rin basically confirmed her very worst fears by instantly calling Sakura a heretic and deciding to kill her when the truth came out.
>Do you mean Kotomine is afraid of Rin?
No, but coming out as a villain that early isn't desirable to him.
>He killed bazette (i don't really remember if he really did kill her) and nobody came so far from the association. How come killing Rin will have a stronger effect?
Bazette was isolated from the others and stupid enough to trust Kotomine completely, so he could do whatever he wanted. He would have to kill Rin in front of Shirou, not to mention Ilya was aware of the situation too. The war would have fallen apart completely. Also, Rin still had Archer, so there's that too.
>By doing something by your own reason (again, not ideal), it can be called being independent.
Independence is about not depending on others. Mage Rin was entirely projecting her mental image of Tokiomi while ignoring her own early reasoning about the shadow being a malfunction of the grail.
>So?
She didn't need to treat Sakura like an enemy at all. In fact, all that did was cause problems.
>Did she kill anyone in that route?
Rin tries to kill Sakura before she kills Shinji. Before she even knows she's connected to the shadow. All it took was learning Sakura was a Matou mage and low on mana.
>You said earlier that Rin is poorly written in HF
Because she suddenly acts like far more of a bitch than in previous routes, yet the narration acts like she can do no wrong.
>Of course she will stop Shirou if he really did make Saber kill other people.
Then why did she encourage him to do it?

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>you never heard Rin bitch about how hard her independent life was
That was always a retarded argument.

aint gonna read ur whole reply and ur baits but you can also try to reread my last reply if you want some explanation for you last 3 arguments that are self explanatory

The 'argument' I replied to was retarded too.

Concession accepted.

Best route is Hollow Ataraxia.

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I finished the VN and got 100% a week ago, so,
>Fate route
Was pretty slow, romance was its strong point (especially the night of gilgamesh vs saber/shirou that bridge scene was sad as fuck), but it’s pretty boring in terms of action, a lot of infodumping about servants and why saber is not a real heroic spirit yet. Characters were pretty boring, aside from Lancer. Route was just worldbuilding and showing Shirou’s resolve with his past.
>ubw
actually really liked this, romance was kind of just there. Tone was meh. Characters were ok, made me like archer a lot, kirei looked fucking dumb, made shirou look like a brat though. It’s strong point was action. The route was just testing Shirou’s ideal.
>Heavens Feel
out of all 3 routes, I never connected with any female characters, but holy fuck, I fell in love with Illya and true end had me in tears. This route had the best display of characters. Archer testing Shirou. We have Shirou throwing his ideals away, Rin throwing away her pride as a magus, Kirei fucking Kotomine being a badass and his parallel with Shirou in their last fight had me on the edge of my seat.
Also this has the most interesting infodumps, the lesser and greater grails, Zeltretch/second magic, third magic, kiritsugu and kirei.
Also this route made me love Shirou x100000 more. 9 lives blade works was so fucking beautiful and the way nasu wrote it so shirous mind gets fucking blendered each time he tries using the left arm made it so fucking epic, especially in sparks high liner. I think that’s my favourite mantra/chant in all of the series, even bears UBW.
This route had the most powerful endings, when you have that scene of shirou telling Sakura, “let’s go home”, and then in normal end she waits years and years and you have the cherry blossom trees I was in tears.

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>The entire catalyst for HF was her allowing Zouken to get to her finally through Shirou.
You can't tell me that's her fault when she'd been enduring for many years and she didn't know she had the grail shards or that Zouken benefitted from her showing slight hesitation.
>Sakura was to blame for going dark tho
Nope, it was another contract that got triggered without her knowledge. If anything you should blame Shinji for relentlessly trying to find Sakura's weak point and using it to torment her. He was literally about to rape her and she was going dead fish mode to try and endure, until he made her hate him even more, which the shadow exploited to make a contract with her, leading to dark Sakura.

>I fell in love with Illya
Another man of culture has been born.

Yeah, fair enough.

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>That concept was introduced in FGO.
It was introduced in Extella and then later used in F/GO and mentioned in Apocrypha.

Why are Caren's nips so prominent?

>Extella
Still tertiary trash.

She's a walking bundle of fetishes.

Even though Rin is my favorite you sir have a very respectable opinion.

Whatever, bait

Does anyone prefer Near Side to Far Side?

Saber > Illya > Sakura > Rin

This guy gets it. Zelretch's observation instantly makes a route canon.

Sakura>Saber>Rin

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HF was good until the mentally ill wormfags made me hate it.

>Zelretch is a vampire and decides absolutely nothing in Fate
Imagine being this much of a brainlet. If not for Zelretch's intervention then the events of strange fake would just end witg ORT waking up and murder the whole world.

Sakura>Illya>Saber>Rin

>meanwhile, in reality

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>implying I like UBW or F/SN in general
schizo sakurafag

So what are you doing here?

Because I'm an FGO primary laughing at you secondaries fight over which route on your porn game is better

I used to be like you so I won't criticized.

But truth is, you are not supposed to choose between Fate, UBW or HF. They're all part of a single story. All part of the 3 acts narrative.

You either like all of them or you hate all of them. Anything else is plain idiocy.

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>crossboarder tertiary is the one crying about Sakurafags
Every time.

AAATASHI SAKURANBOOOO

If you're not reading FGO then you're the tertiary now. Simple as that.

FGO is about as canon as me fucking your mom last night.

>reading text from mobile games
I bet you laugh at all of the reddit basic memes they insert through out that shit

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Camelot and Babylonia are better written than anything in F/SN. Stop trying to cope with the fact that your knowledge on the Nasuverse is now dated and not canon.

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>Camelot and Babylonia are better written than anything in F/SN
Bait, but I'll bite it.

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As much as I like beddy's personality and design
Bedivere's big twist is literally Saber's and Archer's reveal mashed together
Didn't even bother with Babylonia

Disgusting. Out and stay out.

but zeltrech is also observing strange fake which takes place post UBW
what does that mean?

There are multiple Zelretchs in the multiverse so multiple routes can be observed and become canon at the same time.

MOU IKKAI!

>itoddler
>lying for attention
figures
enjoy the ***

You need to go back

Best fights
Best bad ends(Saber fightning/Mind of Steel)
Shit route though.

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Kotomine is the only good thing in HF, or possibly in the entire Fate franchise.

absolutely based Gachachad

sounds like every rin scene

archer vs shirou alone makes UBW infinitly better than HF

Why is Saber so short even though she's white?

Yes, because whether it meant to or not, it has to face the consequences of it's action. It doesn't help that Angra Mainyu is clearly sentient, giving him even less leeway.

At this point, it's beyond a point of good and evil. It's about live or die, a primal kind of survival that means that he has to be prevented from being born, or let him kill the bulk of humanity, and killing whatever's left because he's literally the embodiment of the concept of Evil.

Even if you want to pose on the idea that the choice is a moral or immoral one, you have to ask yourself if that morality is worth the lives of everyone both born and unborn in the entire world, and if you think yourself so vastly morally superior that you have the capability of making a world level choice and shouldering that burden based on 'what you think is right' versus the clearly ethical choice of what's 'correct'

>Pointless padding scenes and quests with soulless NPCs and grinding makes Babylonia good
You retarded tertiary

She's been stuck at age 15 physically because Excalibur doesn't let her age. Presumably Caliburn as well, but she broke that.

She's like 20 cm taller in timelines where she doesn't use the sword and just ages normally.

>it has to face the consequences of it's action
There is no point in facing consequences if you weren't actually intellectually responsible. It like trying to make a baby face consequences for its action
>It doesn't help that Angra Mainyu is clearly sentient
If anyone was sentient of the shadows actions it was Sakura. Remember that it saved Shirou if he was nice enough to her or that it killed Gil after he tried to kill her.
Angra Mainyu actions seems mostly based on instinct.
>and if you think yourself so vastly morally superior that you have the capability of making a world level choice and shouldering that burden based on 'what you think is right' versus the clearly ethical choice of what's 'correct'
That is the point though. I don't think I have the moral authority to condemn a being, that is essentially innocent, to death just because of actions it might take in the future.

If a beast if rampaging despite it just being in it's nature, it's not evil to kill it to prevent more harm. And if you are right, and it's not mentally there, then it's a threat not only to others, but to itself. Leaving it to destroy itself and others. Just because someone can't take responsibility for their actions doesn't give them the right to exist in a world with rules and structure.

Something like Angra Mainyu can't exist in a world of humanity. Unless you're of the opinion humanity should let itself be destroyed because it would be wrong to stop Angra Mainyu's birth, then at that point I would give up on morals entirely and focus entirely on the ethical standpoint. The ethical standpoint is to end it's life.

Because my morality is not worth the entire weight of humanity's future. This isn't 'one death saves a thousand' this is 'one death saves the entire human population' Even if it's 'right' to let Angra Mainyu live, it's still not 'correct'.

>Remember that it saved Shirou if he was nice enough to her or that it killed Gil after he tried to kill her.
The shadow never really saves Shirou that I recall. It killed Gil because it was afraid of him and he posed a real threat. Sakura's repressed desires influence the shadow, but she can't control that, especially in her fucked up situation.

So Kotomine gets a pass for using all those orphans from the fire, Shirou?

>If a beast if rampaging despite it just being in it's nature, it's not evil to kill it to prevent more harm. And if you are right, and it's not mentally there, then it's a threat not only to others, but to itself. Leaving it to destroy itself and others. Just because someone can't take responsibility for their actions doesn't give them the right to exist in a world with rules and structure
Yeah, but all that is just before it gets born. It might gain a consciousness after it is born.
>Something like Angra Mainyu can't exist in a world of humanity
Odd to say since it was humans that created Angra Mainyu.
>The shadow never really saves Shirou that I recall
It chooses not to kill him at one point, which is basically the same.

The good parts of the game aren't the girls, but the men.
If you ignore all the romance shit, the fight against Kotomine in HF is perhaps the best moment in the game.

Yeah, ok I guess. I think saving is above just not killing because it implies doing something to protect the other person.

Okay fag.

MOU IKKAI

Possibly the worst opinion ever

>>>/fgog/

Unironically based.

>Heaven's Feel TRUE
>Strange FAKE

I don't escape. I die a happy man after having lots of beautiful HUWHITE CHILDREN

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>It chooses not to kill him
Or, you know, Sakura happens to wake up.

But she doesn't if Shirou wasn't nice enough to her?

True, Shirou vs Kotomine is a fight that women will never understand.

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Nope. Sleep can be odd like that. No wonder the Taiga Dojo points out that it's a completely arbitrary bad end. You'd have to be pretty dumb to argue that Sakura can control the shadow because of it.

Or Sakura's feelings are subconsciously affecting the shadow. Which makes a lot more sense then just
>sleep lul how does it work

Fate a shit.

archiveofourown.org/works/2275617

But why

I NEED TO BE BANNED FROM Yea Forums FOR A WHILE

BRING TO ME YOUR SLEEP TIGHT SABERS

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>he thinks Saber isn't best

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How do you enjoy being a secondary now?

I fucking hate it. Goddamn gachachads ruined everything.

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It just as hype moments and worst girl

prisma illya is the best fate.

Lolicon.

You are correct but will suffer for it

My one and future king will always be best

phoneposters stay foreverBTFO

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Sleep tight Saber

People praise it as the best because of the last chunk of the route where shit goes down, its just full of memorable moments

You are right even if you're not correct.

I just read about quantum time-lock and that shit sucks. It just ruins all the fun of the bad ends. That's not actually canon for fate stay/night, right?

Sleep tight saber

You better ignore it. Time-locks are completely arbitrary. They are supposed to happen every 100 years but they can happen after a month just because. Timeline pruning can happen from something as minor as protag dying but ignore humanity living in post-apocalyptic state for centuries and only declining.

Whoops, sorry Saber looks like that wish of yours Alaya was aiding you in granting with a contract?
Actually impossible because of Alaya.
???

Also, why bother with Counter Guardians?
Can just "delete this" on worlds that fail.

Did fucking Sparks Liner High get pruned because the protagonist lost? The entire reason why bad ends are bad is because you screwed up the lives of all the characters you like, and you're all doomed. If the world just gets erased because things aren't going humanity's way, then what's even the point of bad ends?

>fate anything
>not shit
lmao op

ITT: people delude themselves into thinking that there is a grander over-arcing "canon" that connects everything and that makes sense.

when will you retards grow up and recognize that there is just a world base that holds a bunch of separate stories that sometimes connect to other stories and sometimes dont, and sometimes dont even REALLY have the same world base? just enjoy a story for what it is, in the way its given to you, as its given to you, instead of losing your mind in headcanon and bullshit.

Counterpoint: fate sucks in general

got gachabrain lads, just spent $150 and didn't even get the girl i wanted

Imagine about feeling good about having a mobile game NTR your wallet. FGOfags are the worse. At least you won't have a Granblue fan bragging
in Yea Forums about shelling out enough money to cover medical expenses.

If you just wanted one girl you should've rerolled accounts until you got her.

I got the big tittied Samurai bitch on my first roll and I dropped the game almost immediately out of boredom.
I take solace in the fact that this kills the paypig.

Sleep tight Saber

The VN's been out for like 15 years or something now. Figure it the fuck out already, like fuck man how much discussion about this game is literally just people arguing about the different routes