I never can understand why people cared about the pillar men

>forgot about Santana

I didn't, he's just not important.
Even the other Pillarmen agree.

You've never actually watched/read those parts if you're saying this.

>Great theme song
>Ha, we are so powerful we could just kill you instantly. Let's let you live so maybe you can give us a little challenge
>Last guy becomes full on immortal
>Joseph has to beat all of them, without any stand
powers

That's pretty much it really.
Might be some of the strongest enemies in the entire series and one of the weakest Jojo's has to kill all 3 of em.

He's right, Part 4 is essentially a mess spun out of one of DIO's do-nothing underlings that didn't even show up in 3's sons just poking fuckers with an arrow until one could kill him and one of Enya's exes poking fuckers with an arrow to protect his son the hand fetishist. They're about as related to DIO as the Pillarmen which is very tangentially.

>Might be some of the strongest enemies in the entire series

Even low tier stands utterly outclass them. They rely on basically the laws of physics for their fighting style, while the medium to high end stands utterly break reality (Time stopping, instant win conditions against their opponent, ect.)

But then again, none of the stand users can damage them in any meaningful way (except if you reset the universe I guess?). You do need to have hamon to beat them, and that won't even work for ultimate kars

>They rely on basically the laws of physics for their fighting style, while the medium to high end stands utterly break reality

Well yea that's what I'm saying.
No one had any laws of physics breaking powers in 2.
I'm talking up to this point in the story.
The power gap is massive between Joseph and the pillars.

Compared to part 3, where the MC's stand power is the same as the final bosses, but better.

>You do need to have hamon to beat them
But stands are hamon, the ghost hamon I think.

If that's true, then why does Joseph have to infuse Hermit Purple wih Hamon?

>stands are hamon
Then why does DIO touch Heirophant Green without any issues?

Average Pillarmen would be a hard fight for most Stand Users, only the high ends would be able to take them on with relative ease, and even then it becomes an issue if they figure out ways to detect those stands.
Meanwhile Ultimate Kars is pretty much unbeatable and would probably figure out how to detect Stands very quickly .
Their main advantage is their stands can't be touched but they can touch them. However most Stands that can do decent damage require the user to be close. The ones that can safely attack the Pillarmen from a remote location usually only do very weak damage.

Araki forgot

The same reason why he and Jonathan needs to punch with overdrive to deliver killing blows.

When is it mentioned that stands are a form of hamon?

I just watched Part 3's beginning, I can safely tell you Stands are influenced by breathing, but are never ever directly referred to as hamon.

At the beginning of part 3 Joseph call stands "Yu-Hamon" which means ghost-ripple. But he only did it that one time and never did it again. Maybe it was just Araki trying to connect things.

Which is different from hamon since they're not sunlight energy.

Seriously, why the fuck did they drop him in Mexico and then went to chill to Europe? I was fully expecting more Pillar men to be buried in different parts of the world

I don't see Tower of Gray or the rat that almost killed Jotaro beating a Pillar man

Perfect Kars could easily defeat perfected Dio with the World and max time stop. Him and the rest of the pillarmen intended to casually enslave half of humanity and turn the other half into vampire minions as a source of food as they had assumed the hamon tribe had been wiped out and there remained no one left to oppose them. It’s a worst case scenario not even the most powerful stand users could stop, even over powered out of universe characters would have a hard time stopping them.

Ratt could possibly get in a good shot on the Pillarmen they're invisible acid snipers but once they're found out they'll get fucked. Grey could too but I forget his range.

He doesn't call them that. He calls them stands, and the"Yu-Hamon"bit is added underneath that as a note. Since this is the only time Araki ever used the term "Yu-Hamon"in the entire history of the series, it's safe to say that whatever idea he was running with at the time has been thoroughly dropped.

>I'm a ruthless dwarwinistic fuck
Not really, he just wanted his people to be able to conquer the sun. I don't know what did he do that was so horrible that everybody else decided that he was a danger to the point of trying to kill him. I would say the stone masks, but they only affect humans and anyway mask vampires are weaker than them, I'm not sure why would they care. I guess that we would be weirded out if a human creates a mask that uplifts animals.

He wasn't as smart as Whammu, Kars was all about evolving and Santana was too slow for them.

Yeah, but they can brush off the damage. There's the main problem of them being unable to detect the stand, but if they can catch the user it's easy. Anyway, I think they would gain stands very quickly if they were around for part 3 or afterwards

Isn't there a what-if scenario where Kars goes Ultimate Life Form with Stands in the picture and gets the powers of every Stand?

The mask effected them as well but it was imperfect and needed more energy. The Pillarmen were advanced and immortal but that contortions and shapeshifting shit is the mask.

>Absolutely nothing to do with Dio
That's not what JoJo is about, stop obsessing over him.
You're right about the shittiest villain part tho.

>Absolutely nothing to do with Dio or the ongoing feud between him and the joestar family that drives the series.
So, only Parts 1 and 3?

They didn’t. They came from Mexico in search of the rumored stone if aja which was supposedly in the possession of some emperor and they went into slumber after losing many of their numbers to the hamon tribe

It was only the 3 of them by that point, they didn't lose anyone until they met Joseph

Except all the villains trying to carry out Dio's will after his death.
Fuck, even in a story with absolutely nothing to do with Dio about a super powered US president, they had to bring in an alternate universe dio.

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Wasn't Cars the one that killed most of his tribe? It wouldn't surprise me if it's just another Araki forgot moment, but I'm pretty sure that was the case

If they’re from the new world how would knowledge of hamon have to spread to the americas enough to be an established group in presumably precolombian times?

It was an user forgot moment.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pillar Men can gain stands by eating a stand user, or even being able to absorb Stands (since, by Part 5, they acted as organic matter and Giorno could recreate his stand's hand)

They would have met the hamon users when they went to Europe. Santana didn't know what it was.

>They're literally the shittiest villains in the entire series
so they are the best villains in the series, huh
interesting

I meant that they harmed humana, for them it was just some novelty toy

>Except all the villains trying to carry out Dio's will after his death.
Yeah, like... Jongalli A, and... uhh...

Hamon had other properties besides fighting vampires, also, it could be that there were other tribes of Pillar men all around the world.

>Absolutely nothing to do with Dio or the ongoing feud between him and the joestar family that drives the series.
What is part 4, 5, and 7. I'm waiting till 8 is finished but for all I know that fits too. The majority of parts are only tangentially related to Dio. If that's really why you read this series, then you may as well have stopped at 1. It's called Jojo's bizarre adventure because that's all each part needs to have in common. If Araki agreed with you he wouldn't have killed Dio in 3.

Hamon most definitely exists for reasons besides vampire killing but the tribe and groups of practitioners would have no place in the new world or even logically be established there partially due to lack of contact partially due to time crunch and killer vampires.